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Sad rianalanananana is heading out, as I was looking forward to playing with him, but DYH is da bomb. Welcome!
DYH's reads are largely in line with my own, though I'm inclined to agree with ced that Raging Levine strikes me as town and that Deathjoey is scumtastic.
In post 72, you voted CharmMaster, seemingly only for FoSing instead of voting for Iso. It's weak as hell. Then, in post 90, you unashamedly /barn Ced for something that was very obvious, yet offer no analysis of your own.
Which, in contrast to this post where you state that you want actual analysis from me, is highly hypocritical.
In other words, because you're scum, and I like where my vote is.
I am disappointed that my naked vote did not garner more information. I didn't expect so many people to ignore it.
Are you kidding me? In the same post you call my vote weak when you provided exactly zero analysis for yours. Then you go on to call my stance hypocritical when I did exactly what you wanted and acknowledged your naked vote. Are you feeling all right? Not coming down with anything, are you?
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It was funny to me, hence lol. I never once implied that it had any bearing on my read. Therefore, it shouldn't BE committal because I'm not, nor have I ever, committed to anything.
Loverly of you to try to spin my response around on me. You're making this far too easy.
Are you kidding me? In the same post you call my vote weak when you provided exactly zero analysis for yours. Then you go on to call my stance hypocritical when I did exactly what you wanted and acknowledged your naked vote. Are you feeling all right? Not coming down with anything, are you?
Of course you responded to it. It was a vote on you! durrrrrr
I notice, however, that you did not call my vote weak or anything. I must be on the right track.
DYH: Yeah, in hindsight it was a bit Chicken Little, but it just reminded me too much of Hecatea's Day 1 where all the special snowflakes got on my nerves a bit too much and got my lynched. Was hoping to cut that out early this time so I wouldn't go way off the handle.
Apropros of nothing, I'm somewhat surprised about the comparison of Iso to Grak - I may not have read all of Iso's games but in the one I read he seems to lack the thing that made Grakthis really grating: the ad hom-laden aura of superiority.
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Apropros of nothing, I'm somewhat surprised about the comparison of Iso to Grak - I may not have read all of Iso's games but in the one I read he seems to lack the thing that made Grakthis really grating: the ad hom-laden aura of superiority.
Iso definitely has an aura of superiority at times, but he is not as known to make ad-homs (other than "your mom", but that runs in the family).
Sounds like I'm glad I missed out of Grakthis, though.
So, is Asian's analysis weak, or is he not providing any? Both of those seem to be your points.
His reasoning is weak and he has no analysis.
I wanted to hear your reasoning (which I was sure you had), and Asian had already asked for it. There wasn't a lot to say.
True enough, I suppose.
"Will you marry me? I'm trying to analyze somebody in a game of mafia and I think it will help me evaluate their response if we exchange wedding vows."
Should go down a treat ;P
Only if you videotape it cause I'd pay good money to see how that conversation goes over.
Are you using the right words here? I'm arguing that it definitely doesn't mean anything if deathjoey is town. By saying "not necessarily", you're saying that it might mean something as opposed to definitely meaning something.
And what do you mean when you say it might mean something. What makes it scum Iso rather than town Iso helping out town deathjoey?
It's less "scummy" and more "not smart thing for the town".
I shall call to your attention post 67 again, where, in the process of attacking Iso for answering Raging Levines Q to deathjoey, you answer my question to Levine. Hence my "irony" comment a few posts later. Was that "in the town's best interests"?
I didn't think that you were posing the question specifically to levine as much as you asking for clarification.
Whoa wait hold on. Was deathjoey doing something scummy at the time when Iso answered the question for him?
Nothing that could be called scummy at that time. Given what's developed, he's become more suspect, but Iso's posts have put him in the "townie that made a mistake" camp more than the "scumbuddies" camp.
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* I'm not sure what to make of Jobie - at one point he's railing against the current meta; in another he's good with Iso being Iso - who frankly is the poster child for the current meta. Inconsistent.
I suppose I was inconsistent. To rephrase: I like Iso's reads and it allows me to overlook his posting style. When we get multiple spammy posters, I lose my goddamn mind.
Basically, I /barn your read of Iso, but I'm willing to let him slide a bit more because I like his real content when it appears.
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Plus I seem to recall an exchange in CIM about not really participating on day ones, yet he seems interested here. Also inconsistent.
Yes, shame on me for posting. I will always hate Day 1, but this one has been tolerable so far.
As far as the rest of DYH's reads, I'll /barn the Ced, PF, Manders, CM reads. Raging Levine is reading similar to his town playstyle from Random 4.
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It was funny to me, hence lol. I never once implied that it had any bearing on my read. Therefore, it shouldn't BE committal because I'm not, nor have I ever, committed to anything.
Loverly of you to try to spin my response around on me. You're making this far too easy.
Herp derp.
Let's try it this way: Why did you feel the need to comment on their spat without actually saying anything either way regarding the alignment of either one?
Let's try it this way: Why did you feel the need to comment on their spat without actually saying anything either way regarding the alignment of either one?
Because I felt like it. Do I need any reason other than that? If so, why?
Because I felt like it. Do I need any reason other than that? If so, why?
Strictly speaking, you don't, but their interaction has been significant, so it would make sense for someone commenting on it to make some sort of assertion regarding whether they read as both town, both scum, or one of each, as well as why. That you simply laughed and then moved on to attack me without so much as saying why (in either case) was highly jarring.
Strictly speaking, you don't, but their interaction has been significant, so it would make sense for someone commenting on it to make some sort of assertion regarding whether they read as both town, both scum, or one of each, as well as why. That you simply laughed and then moved on to attack me without so much as saying why (in either case) was highly jarring.
Oh, I'm sure it was jarring to you.
I don't see how anyone could determine either's alignment from their back and forth, so meh. I just thought it was funny.
Really? You don't think the manner in which a person is attacking can be indicative of their alignment? Because that's how I caught Tilde in CIM by post #68. Moreover, surely, you, as an experienced player, can interpret a person's mindset from their responses? Why have you chosen to sit out on it instead of at least giving a drive-by interpretation of our alignments? Even given RVS posts, you have a lot more to go off of than just our exchange.
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Really? You don't think the manner in which a person is attacking can be indicative of their alignment?
I do. Just not with this case.
Moreover, surely, you, as an experienced player, can interpret a person's mindset from their responses?
You know damn good and well I'm not very good at that.
Why have you chosen to sit out on it instead of at least giving a drive-by interpretation of our alignments? Even given RVS posts, you have a lot more to go off of than just our exchange.
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Also, if you think it's "stupid but funny", do you think we're both town, then? Because that's what that suggests to me. In addition, if that's so, why didn't you just say that instead of providing the minimum in your answers, making me ask and ask and ask to get what I'm looking for out of you? Minimalism =/= pro-town, here.
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Also, if you think it's "stupid but funny", do you think we're both town, then? Because that's what that suggests to me. In addition, if that's so, why didn't you just say that instead of providing the minimum in your answers, making me ask and ask and ask to get what I'm looking for out of you? Minimalism =/= pro-town, here.
I have you both as neutral here.
You two were arguing over stupid ****.
I thought it was funny.
The entire back and forth gave me no alignment indications whatsoever.
Good enough? Cause that's all your getting out of me on this BS.
Temper, temper, Manders. No need to get testy. I'm asking for the sake of understanding. If you're town and would like to help our faction, then please don't get upset with me for asking questions. Why is that all I'm going to get out of you on "this BS"?
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Temper, temper, Manders. No need to get testy. I'm asking for the sake of understanding. If you're town and would like to help our faction, then please don't get upset with me for asking questions. Why is that all I'm going to get out of you on "this BS"?
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Welcome to the game, DYH. I pray not to melt down hilariously and get lynched day 2 like the last time we played together all these years ago.
After a post like that, I can only hope like hell that you are town, because quite frankly, the entire game is going to be eating out of your hand, all game.
Temper, temper, Manders. No need to get testy. I'm asking for the sake of understanding. If you're town and would like to help our faction, then please don't get upset with me for asking questions. Why is that all I'm going to get out of you on "this BS"?
Because that's all there is to it!! You're trying to get blood from a turnip, Iso. It ain't gonna work.
I suppose I was inconsistent. To rephrase: I like Iso's reads and it allows me to overlook his posting style. When we get multiple spammy posters, I lose my goddamn mind.
Basically, I /barn your read of Iso, but I'm willing to let him slide a bit more because I like his real content when it appears.
That's fair.
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Yes, shame on me for posting. I will always hate Day 1, but this one has been tolerable so far.
That's not exactly where I was going with that, the posting part, that is; but I can see why you went that route. It's moreso the content feels different - you seem invested. That's probably a better choice of words. Rather than focusing on your hatred of day one, you've commented on the metagame, made some reads, and drawn some comparisons. I can't help but wonder if you wanted to avoid some scrutiny out of the gate.
@Wuffles: Ha - was that Persona? I enjoyed that game.
@RagingLevine: Sorry for your loss.
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His reasoning is weak and he has no analysis.
Not to state the obvious, but the game wasn't exactly in deep analytical mode at that point. Why pick AI out of the entire group to target?
Furthermore, Iso has very good points about your lack of clarity on his banter with PF, as well as having to coax you for information.
@AsianInvasion: Do you know if you've ever mock-claimed to be scum before?
Probably, though I can't recall any particular instance. What difference does it make?
OH SNAP I REMEMBER A PREVIOUS GAME WHERE I WAS SCUM, MOCK CLAIMED SCUM...and proceeded to be ripped to shreds and lynched...by none other than DYH. you best watch your self, invasio!
OH SNAP I REMEMBER A PREVIOUS GAME WHERE I WAS SCUM, MOCK CLAIMED SCUM...and proceeded to be ripped to shreds and lynched...by none other than DYH. you best watch your self, invasio!
Do you plan on playing the game with us anytime soon?
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I will have some time to read this game tonight. From reading the last few posts, it sounds like kind of a kerfuffle has erupted.)
Because he usually includes some insight into his stances, unless he's scum.
I provided more reasoning with my Charm vote than you did voting me, yet somehow I am thescum? Pot, kettle? In addition, you're using meta that I'm quite sure you pulled out from where the sun don't shine. I'd bet the house that you can't even back up that claim.
That's not exactly where I was going with that, the posting part, that is; but I can see why you went that route. It's moreso the content feels different - you seem invested. That's probably a better choice of words. Rather than focusing on your hatred of day one, you've commented on the metagame, made some reads, and drawn some comparisons. I can't help but wonder if you wanted to avoid some scrutiny out of the gate
Fair enough. I've been a bit surprised how easily I've been able to form actual opinions so far. I understand your view, hopefully my behavior will prove you are incorrect at this time.
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I provided more reasoning with my Charm vote than you did voting me, yet somehow I am thescum? Pot, kettle? In addition, you're using meta that I'm quite sure you pulled out from where the sun don't shine. I'd bet the house that you can't even back up that claim.
I absolutely can. In Hecatea Mafia, even from the get go, you were very involved and forced yourself into a leadership position. In Return to Amistaria, you stayed in the background as much as possible, took no initiative, and basically rode the coattails of the towniest person you could find at the time. Probably Az, but I don't recall atm.
I can see the difference in the games. Can you guys?
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Wasn't it Return to Amistaria where Seppel caught you as scum for answering questions with the minimum amount of content necessary?
No, Seppel caught me for a combination of lurking like crazy, always promising a re-read and never producing it, and going invisible in a crucial moment for me.
I absolutely can. In Hecatea Mafia, even from the get go, you were very involved and forced yourself into a leadership position. In Return to Amistaria, you stayed in the background as much as possible, took no initiative, and basically rode the coattails of the towniest person you could find at the time. Probably Az, but I don't recall atm.
I can see the difference in the games. Can you guys?
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While I give you props for putting forth the effort, you (deliberately?) left out the crucial part where I was actually town at the beginning of RtA, and didn't know if I would turn scum (nor did I know that there was a secondary traitor trigger) so I had to play it safe and avoid the lynch as long as I could, like a pseudo-survivor. If anything, you just referenced my neutral game (and how I claim Day One with such roles). You need to actually find a bona fide mafia game to establish anything like what you're claiming.
No, Seppel caught me for a combination of lurking like crazy, always promising a re-read and never producing it, and going invisible in a crucial moment for me.
The word he used was "stoic." Granted, this was right after he caught you in a lie, so the point isn't as strong as I originally thought. But you are still much more reserved than normal. You haven't changed up your meta recently, have you?
You are getting on his case for not providing content when you have playing with your cards to your chest for two days. I agree that his post didn't add anything to the game, but that doesn't mean that deflecting attention to him is going to take the heat off your back.
The word he used was "stoic." Granted, this was right after he caught you in a lie, so the point isn't as strong as I originally thought. But you are still much more reserved than normal. You haven't changed up your meta recently, have you?
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While I give you props for putting forth the effort, you (deliberately?) left out the crucial part where I was actually town at the beginning of RtA, and didn't know if I would turn scum (nor did I know that there was a secondary traitor trigger) so I had to play it safe and avoid the lynch as long as I could, like a pseudo-survivor. If anything, you just referenced my neutral game (and how I claim Day One with such roles). You need to actually find a bona fide mafia game to establish anything like what you're claiming.
No, I thought you started out neutral.
The word he used was "stoic." Granted, this was right after he caught you in a lie, so the point isn't as strong as I originally thought. But you are still much more reserved than normal. You haven't changed up your meta recently, have you?
The only thing I've intentionally changed is that I no longer use curse words while playing Mafia. This forces me to take a deep breath and thing again about what I'm going to say, and is absolutely, completely because I'm a mod and need to present myself as such per the admin team.
You are getting on his case for not providing content when you have playing with your cards to your chest for two days. I agree that his post didn't add anything to the game, but that doesn't mean that deflecting attention to him is going to take the heat off your back.
1) asking him a question =/= "getting on his case"
2) If you agree, what in the world are we arguing about?
3) What heat? Do I have even one vote? What are you talking about?
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And you didn't think that I am experienced enough to know the definition of "backpedal"?
I would have, but it didn't make sense to me at that time for you to have asked had that been the case.
Also, why don't(/didn't, seeing as you've retracted your Iso view now) you think Iso could have been in the same situation?
Iso's response was something specifically aimed at giving a possible reason for what DJ said. My response, while not needed, was just exposition.
Just to clarify - you think that Iso "made a mistake" by "not acting in the town's best interests", despite the fact that you don't think deathjoey was (at the time) doing anything scummy that he needed to be "thrown a line" for?
...sort of. The fact that Iso instantly jumped in and threw out a reasoning for Joey struck me as a scum pair trying to cover each other. as the game has progressed, I've changed my stance on this accordingly.
AS for the iso/manders/ai love triangle...I'm getting the feeling that either all 3 are town, or two of them are scum trying to distance each other. Leaning towards the first though.
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OH SNAP I REMEMBER A PREVIOUS GAME WHERE I WAS SCUM, MOCK CLAIMED SCUM...and proceeded to be ripped to shreds and lynched...by none other than DYH. you best watch your self, invasio!
Ok. I just think it's a little unusual for you to have voted for Jobie on these "inconsistencies" (one of which he had explained in-thread prior to your vote), rather than merely question him.
Ehh, I prefer to do my poking with a cattle prod rather than a Nerf bat.
Fair enough. I've been a bit surprised how easily I've been able to form actual opinions so far. I understand your view, hopefully my behavior will prove you are incorrect at this time.
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Even if I did, I still didn't start out as mafia. I had no idea who my buddies would have been (hence me pushing the Arcadic lynch as hard as I did). I don't think you can draw an accurate parallel between early posts from that game and "AsianInvasion's scum meta" in general.
1) asking him a question =/= "getting on his case"
2) If you agree, what in the world are we arguing about?
3) What heat? Do I have even one vote? What are you talking about?
1. Semantics. I'm more concerned with mindset tells.
2. The tone of your post suggests that you are on the up-and-up regarding your own contributions to the town, which doesn't strike me as genuine.
3. I only have one vote.
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I am disappointed that my naked vote did not garner more information. I didn't expect so many people to ignore it.
Seemed like intentional reaction trolling given the "Overdramatic" snafu.
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In post 72, you voted CharmMaster, seemingly only for FoSing instead of voting for Iso. It's weak as hell. Then, in post 90, you unashamedly /barn Ced for something that was very obvious, yet offer no analysis of your own.
If you're going to have enough information to FoS someone at the start of a game, you may as well vote for them. It's not like early votes do anything irreversible or carry substantial risk.
I don't mind barning unless its a high percentage of your actions compared to independent thought.
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Which, in contrast to this post where you state that you want actual analysis from me, is highly hypocritical.
I don't think this comparison follows. There's a difference between making an unexplained statement and agreeing with a fleshed out expression of thought.
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Are you kidding me? In the same post you call my vote weak when you provided exactly zero analysis for yours. Then you go on to call my stance hypocritical when I did exactly what you wanted and acknowledged your naked vote. Are you feeling all right? Not coming down with anything, are you?
This isn't a response to the ideas behind the accusations, as poor as they are.
Are you always this droll?
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Yup. But I'm not brave enough to venture back through the thread until I have enough time to actually comprehend the posts so far.
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At least you went to the doctor!!
Get well soon and get your butt back here asap.
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DYH's reads are largely in line with my own, though I'm inclined to agree with ced that Raging Levine strikes me as town and that Deathjoey is scumtastic.
How wonderfully noncommittal.
Are you kidding me? In the same post you call my vote weak when you provided exactly zero analysis for yours. Then you go on to call my stance hypocritical when I did exactly what you wanted and acknowledged your naked vote. Are you feeling all right? Not coming down with anything, are you?
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It was funny to me, hence lol. I never once implied that it had any bearing on my read. Therefore, it shouldn't BE committal because I'm not, nor have I ever, committed to anything.
Loverly of you to try to spin my response around on me. You're making this far too easy.
Of course you responded to it. It was a vote on you! durrrrrr
I notice, however, that you did not call my vote weak or anything. I must be on the right track.
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Apropros of nothing, I'm somewhat surprised about the comparison of Iso to Grak - I may not have read all of Iso's games but in the one I read he seems to lack the thing that made Grakthis really grating: the ad hom-laden aura of superiority.
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Iso definitely has an aura of superiority at times, but he is not as known to make ad-homs (other than "your mom", but that runs in the family).
Sounds like I'm glad I missed out of Grakthis, though.
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His reasoning is weak and he has no analysis.
True enough, I suppose.
Only if you videotape it cause I'd pay good money to see how that conversation goes over.
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It's less "scummy" and more "not smart thing for the town".
I didn't think that you were posing the question specifically to levine as much as you asking for clarification.
Nothing that could be called scummy at that time. Given what's developed, he's become more suspect, but Iso's posts have put him in the "townie that made a mistake" camp more than the "scumbuddies" camp.
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Basically, I /barn your read of Iso, but I'm willing to let him slide a bit more because I like his real content when it appears.
Yes, shame on me for posting. I will always hate Day 1, but this one has been tolerable so far.
As far as the rest of DYH's reads, I'll /barn the Ced, PF, Manders, CM reads. Raging Levine is reading similar to his town playstyle from Random 4.
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Herp derp.
Let's try it this way: Why did you feel the need to comment on their spat without actually saying anything either way regarding the alignment of either one?
You got me. I'm scum. Y'all might as well just lynch me right now.
Because I felt like it. Do I need any reason other than that? If so, why?
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Strictly speaking, you don't, but their interaction has been significant, so it would make sense for someone commenting on it to make some sort of assertion regarding whether they read as both town, both scum, or one of each, as well as why. That you simply laughed and then moved on to attack me without so much as saying why (in either case) was highly jarring.
Oh, I'm sure it was jarring to you.
I don't see how anyone could determine either's alignment from their back and forth, so meh. I just thought it was funny.
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I do. Just not with this case.
You know damn good and well I'm not very good at that.
Not sitting out. Watching. Soaking it all in.
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My initial impressions are/were, "This is stupid but funny."
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I have you both as neutral here.
You two were arguing over stupid ****.
I thought it was funny.
The entire back and forth gave me no alignment indications whatsoever.
Good enough? Cause that's all your getting out of me on this BS.
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Welcome to the game, DYH. I pray not to melt down hilariously and get lynched day 2 like the last time we played together all these years ago.
After a post like that, I can only hope like hell that you are town, because quite frankly, the entire game is going to be eating out of your hand, all game.
Because that's all there is to it!! You're trying to get blood from a turnip, Iso. It ain't gonna work.
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Because it's inconsistent with his most recent town play. Sure, it's anecdotal, but it's early and I wanted to kick the tires, so to speak.
That's fair.
That's not exactly where I was going with that, the posting part, that is; but I can see why you went that route. It's moreso the content feels different - you seem invested. That's probably a better choice of words. Rather than focusing on your hatred of day one, you've commented on the metagame, made some reads, and drawn some comparisons. I can't help but wonder if you wanted to avoid some scrutiny out of the gate.
@Wuffles: Ha - was that Persona? I enjoyed that game.
@RagingLevine: Sorry for your loss.
Not to state the obvious, but the game wasn't exactly in deep analytical mode at that point. Why pick AI out of the entire group to target?
Furthermore, Iso has very good points about your lack of clarity on his banter with PF, as well as having to coax you for information.
@AsianInvasion: Do you know if you've ever mock-claimed to be scum before?
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"I've got a bad feeling about this..."
Probably, though I can't recall any particular instance. What difference does it make?
Because he usually includes some insight into his stances, unless he's scum.
The only reason he's had to coax anything out of me is because he refuses to believe my statement.
I thought it was funny.
I got 0 alignment hints/tells from the back and forth as it was all silly.
It's not my fault he refuses to believe that is the case.
What is this even supposed to mean?
Do you plan on playing the game with us anytime soon?
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I will have some time to read this game tonight. From reading the last few posts, it sounds like kind of a kerfuffle has erupted.)
I provided more reasoning with my Charm vote than you did voting me, yet somehow I am thescum? Pot, kettle? In addition, you're using meta that I'm quite sure you pulled out from where the sun don't shine. I'd bet the house that you can't even back up that claim.
Wasn't it Return to Amistaria where Seppel caught you as scum for answering questions with the minimum amount of content necessary?
It means I think we have a live one.
Irony.
Fair enough. I've been a bit surprised how easily I've been able to form actual opinions so far. I understand your view, hopefully my behavior will prove you are incorrect at this time.
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I absolutely can. In Hecatea Mafia, even from the get go, you were very involved and forced yourself into a leadership position. In Return to Amistaria, you stayed in the background as much as possible, took no initiative, and basically rode the coattails of the towniest person you could find at the time. Probably Az, but I don't recall atm.
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Amistaria
I can see the difference in the games. Can you guys?
(And, yes, each letter is a link to a different post)
No, Seppel caught me for a combination of lurking like crazy, always promising a re-read and never producing it, and going invisible in a crucial moment for me.
How am I not playing the game? Hmm?
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While I give you props for putting forth the effort, you (deliberately?) left out the crucial part where I was actually town at the beginning of RtA, and didn't know if I would turn scum (nor did I know that there was a secondary traitor trigger) so I had to play it safe and avoid the lynch as long as I could, like a pseudo-survivor. If anything, you just referenced my neutral game (and how I claim Day One with such roles). You need to actually find a bona fide mafia game to establish anything like what you're claiming.
The word he used was "stoic." Granted, this was right after he caught you in a lie, so the point isn't as strong as I originally thought. But you are still much more reserved than normal. You haven't changed up your meta recently, have you?
You are getting on his case for not providing content when you have playing with your cards to your chest for two days. I agree that his post didn't add anything to the game, but that doesn't mean that deflecting attention to him is going to take the heat off your back.
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I look forward to it.
No, I thought you started out neutral.
The only thing I've intentionally changed is that I no longer use curse words while playing Mafia. This forces me to take a deep breath and thing again about what I'm going to say, and is absolutely, completely because I'm a mod and need to present myself as such per the admin team.
1) asking him a question =/= "getting on his case"
2) If you agree, what in the world are we arguing about?
3) What heat? Do I have even one vote? What are you talking about?
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I would have, but it didn't make sense to me at that time for you to have asked had that been the case.
Iso's response was something specifically aimed at giving a possible reason for what DJ said. My response, while not needed, was just exposition.
...sort of. The fact that Iso instantly jumped in and threw out a reasoning for Joey struck me as a scum pair trying to cover each other. as the game has progressed, I've changed my stance on this accordingly.
AS for the iso/manders/ai love triangle...I'm getting the feeling that either all 3 are town, or two of them are scum trying to distance each other. Leaning towards the first though.
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Well, two things really.
1) Wanted to see if you knew off the top of your head (metagame reasons).
2) Wanted to see what your alignment was in that case(s).
Fair enough, but the question still stands about others.
The null tell conversation from CIM fits here - this is something I've seen from her before as town.
Ehh, I prefer to do my poking with a cattle prod rather than a Nerf bat.
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Charmmaster: 1 (Ced)
ProphetKing: 2 (Jobie, Iso)
Iso: 3 (DeathJoey, PinkFloyd, ProphetKing)
Mandershex: 1 (Raging Levine)
Deathjoey: 2 (Charmmaster, AsianInvasion)
AsianInvasion: 1 (Mandershex)
Jobie: 1 (DYH)
With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch!
Hey Joey, why are you voting for me?
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Even if I did, I still didn't start out as mafia. I had no idea who my buddies would have been (hence me pushing the Arcadic lynch as hard as I did). I don't think you can draw an accurate parallel between early posts from that game and "AsianInvasion's scum meta" in general.
1. Semantics. I'm more concerned with mindset tells.
2. The tone of your post suggests that you are on the up-and-up regarding your own contributions to the town, which doesn't strike me as genuine.
3. I only have one vote.
Erm...OK?
Hey Joey, where are you?
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YOU'VE BEEN STR-*shot*
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Seemed like intentional reaction trolling given the "Overdramatic" snafu.
If you're going to have enough information to FoS someone at the start of a game, you may as well vote for them. It's not like early votes do anything irreversible or carry substantial risk.
I don't mind barning unless its a high percentage of your actions compared to independent thought.
I don't think this comparison follows. There's a difference between making an unexplained statement and agreeing with a fleshed out expression of thought.
This isn't a response to the ideas behind the accusations, as poor as they are.
Are you always this droll?
What's hard to comprehend?
Yes.
Do you currently have any scumspects other than Iso?
I think the scumteam is DJ, PK, and quite possibly pf.
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