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You just want respect. You go creating multiple levels, yet always fail to get recognized for your efforts. Not anymore. You have a plan. Somehow, you have managed to reprogram two sackbots (HappyNoodleBoy and Brinatoo) to help do your bidding. As everyone else is looking for malfunctioning sackbots, no one is expecting that there is a more evil plan brewing.
Passive Ability: As a normal sackperson, you look just like the others. Any cop inspections on you will return a town result as opposed to scum.
Win Condition: You win when your group ties or outnumbers the rest of the town.
Brinatoo
d HappyNoodleBoy to help you on your task. In addition, you have the ability to distract others to the point of preventing them from using their abilities.
Ability: Block: You can choose to block another player during the night. This will prevent that player from completing any actions they may have. You have the ability to submit the mafia kill at night. You can night talk with your allies in this thread: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/H4TVkS35Cy6e
Win Condition: You win when your group ties or outnumbers the rest of the town.
HappyNoodleBoy/Raging Levine
Sackbot.
You are a sackbot that has gone on the fritz, or so everyone thinks. You have actually been reprogrammed to help pinkys_brain take over as the number one creator. You are not alone though, he also reprogrammed Brinatoo to help you on your task.
Ability: You have no abilities other than the ability to submit the group kill at night. You can also night talk with your allies in this thread: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/H4TVkS35Cy6e
Win Condition: You win when your group ties or outnumbers the rest of the town.
Arnnaria/Uprising
Dr. Sackenstien
You are in a league of your own. You are a master of creation, a scion of imagination, a... Oh there I go again, excuse me for that. While normally your thing is creating levels, you are also good at healing other sackpeople.
Ability: Protect: You can protect a fellow sackperson at night, preventing all kills that come to the person. You can not protect the same person twice in a row though.
Win Condition: You win when all the baddies have been defeated.
jomafro:
Inspector Sacket
Some of your fellow sackpeople consider you a genius, others say you are lucky, while others just think you are crazy. Anyway you look at it though, you are an expert at problem solving. Your ability to figure out the unsolvable is world renown. So it only figures you can help everyone find out who the actual sackbots are and stop them in their tracks.
Ability: Inspect: Once a night you can go and inspect one of your fellow sackpeople. In this way you will find out if they are a sackperson, or one of those menacing sackbots.
Win Condition: You win when all the baddies have been defeated.
Rest of town:
Sackboy
Ahh, the humble sackboy. You are the proverbial blank canvas waiting to be painted. A lump of clay, ready to be molded into a fine vase. The sand just ready to be... Huh, what? Oh yeah. You are a part of the town. You don't have any abilities other than your imagination and logic.
Win Condition: You win when all the baddies have been defeated.
Really had a good time with this one, the first time someone has actually found me useful enough to nightkill me, hopefully that means I'm getting better?
Classic, giving me godfather when I play incredibly townie
I feel I could have won this game if I hadn't had storms and no internet here, oh well.
Oh and @Everyone but XX mainly: I hope this teaches you all not to just say I'm town because of meta and that I don't bus as scum. Good one Also, this game showed how powerful WIFOM was for the scum! I should have claimed vig when I got the chance but just felt like giving myself a challenge
I loved this game though, thanks everyone and sorry Tan for the ****ed up situation.
You really played fantastically, PF. Busing Brinatoo threw me off your trail SO MUCH. Also WG telling me that you were very town on D2 influenced a lot. I actually had 2/3 scum team at one point, then got thrown off :-/. I think your interactions were pretty even between WG and RL up to D4 as well, great job balancing it out. But of course you were going to be a suspect when we had 3 suspects and 2 scum left
RL did great as well, I really only went after him because PF put him as his second scumspect. Which is very flawed reasoning, but I got lucky this time. Flat out refusing to talk to me really pinged scumdar.
Brinatoo played awesome too! It was just how he got on ITU wagon that stuck out to me. Also PF bussed him to hell, not sure if he would have been the lynch that day without it.
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I so wanted to say much in this game. My thought on hypocrisy by the way double is that it really is a null tell.
My joke I tell myself whenever I see someone making a hypocritical comment if my parents can be a hypocrite then why can't anyone else?
I gave my position to PF because I saw he had been missed by Tar (mod) and I felt bad for him. I also was hoping I could make amends for shooting at him in a prior game by giving the spot he wanted up.
You did good PF. Too bad the storm got you off line for so long.
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Cult (1) 1/0
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2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
More likely a different generation.
The number of times I heard "Do as I say, not as I do"
If that is not the most hypocritical and hated comment I don't know what is.
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Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
More likely a different generation.
The number of times I heard "Do as I say, not as I do"
If that is not the most hypocritical and hated comment I don't know what is.
The number of times I heard "Do as I say, not as I do"
If that is not the most hypocritical and hated comment I don't know what is.
If it gets to that point, then that and "Because I said so," should be obeyed as long as the parent explains why after the fact (unless the child knows that the parent is incorrect).
But those phrases shouldn't be used liberally and without explanation.
Classic, giving me godfather when I play incredibly townie
I feel I could have won this game if I hadn't had storms and no internet here, oh well.
Oh and @Everyone but XX mainly: I hope this teaches you all not to just say I'm town because of meta and that I don't bus as scum. Good one Also, this game showed how powerful WIFOM was for the scum! I should have claimed vig when I got the chance but just felt like giving myself a challenge
I loved this game though, thanks everyone and sorry Tan for the ****ed up situation.
Hope I didn't shatter your dream, man. Tan was in a tough spot, and I wanted to step in and help and break the game for ya, but they had painted me into a corner with pretty solid townie play. Everywhere I looked: towntell, towntell, towntell, towntell.... on and on and on.
If it gets to that point, then that and "Because I said so," should be obeyed as long as the parent explains why after the fact (unless the child knows that the parent is incorrect).
But those phrases shouldn't be used liberally and without explanation.
This may be the most mature thing I've ever seen you post.
Classic, giving me godfather when I play incredibly townie
I feel I could have won this game if I hadn't had storms and no internet here, oh well.
Oh and @Everyone but XX mainly: I hope this teaches you all not to just say I'm town because of meta and that I don't bus as scum. Good one Also, this game showed how powerful WIFOM was for the scum! I should have claimed vig when I got the chance but just felt like giving myself a challenge
I loved this game though, thanks everyone and sorry Tan for the ****ed up situation.
I have to admit I was very against lynching you because you were polite to me opposed to the heat that was coming my direction from Levine and then Brin's stupid OMGUS after I voted for him.
If you had claimed vig though I would have started asking why was I still breathing as I very much expected to be the vig shot at somepoint during the game.
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2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If there WAS a vig (I don't think so) that would confirm me as town
EWP: Oh and what Kah said as well. If you have Kah as your scummiest going into N2, there is no reason not to vig him. Even if you said Kah was going to be copped, you still said plenty of things to suggest that LN is a bad vig target and that Kah's ideas were bad.
Also if you were anything more than a 1-shot, considering I didn't know a godfather exists, the PRs would have been tilted incredibly unfairly towards town.
Finally, if we had:
Kahedron
XX
WG
PF
With PF claiming shots, I would have said to NL, shoot WG and see what happens. You wouldn't have made it out after that. It would have been Me, You, and Kah, with you claiming that both you and scum shot the same person, and confirmed town Kahedron isn't confirmed town. You would have had to lynch me, and that would have fun, and in my opinion highly unlikely
I'm still pissed that I had Brinatoo and PF as my top two scumreads on D2 and then was swayed when WG said they were both town. God that was terrible on my part.
BTW I think Artifice could have made a convincing case on Wheat if he wanted to, before his slip up at the end I was still considering WG. Thinking about his lack of reasons for RL lynch, blatant lying about Brinatoo, etc. I find myself agree with Void 100%.
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Also is Mephit = Tezz? What the eff was I reading in the scumchat?
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BTW I think Artifice could have made a convincing case on Wheat if he wanted to, before his slip up at the end I was still considering WG.
You reread his posts, as scum, and try to find something to quote that doesn't get you lynched when you make your "case" to get him lynched. Yeah, good luck with that.
I tried, really I did, but he was just too townie to crack. Hence my made up reason. Bleh. Soooooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaad!
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@pf: Haven't you learned what happens when you claim Backup anything here?
I got lynched in Random 4 as a Backup Doc, and I claimed Town Backup in 1984...
Here's some future WIFOM for you guys for games I won't even play in: I fully intend to incorporate some of my falseclaims into roles for future games I'm going to run. On that note, feel free to use any of my falseclaims as falseclaims for future games I'm running. Good luck not getting counterclaimed or passing it off, though.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You reread his posts, as scum, and try to find something to quote that doesn't get you lynched when you make your "case" to get him lynched. Yeah, good luck with that.
I tried, really I did, but he was just too townie to crack. Hence my made up reason. Bleh. Soooooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaad!
Every single one of WG reads was off, that and his almost complete refusal to vote Brin might have given you something to work off particularly since DX seemed to want to run off after him the day we lynched RL.
That and both you and DX mentioning RL's post lynch apology throw us into a loop as I was just taking that at face value and trying not read any more into it as to his team members.
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Every single one of WG reads was off, that and his almost complete refusal to vote Brin might have given you something to work off particularly since DX seemed to want to run off after him the day we lynched RL.
That and both you and DX mentioning RL's post lynch apology throw us into a loop as I was just taking that at face value and trying not read any more into it as to his team members.
As to the first, being wrong isn't a scum tell. I'd have given myself away if I'd have tried that one.
As to the second, yeah I tried that route. You guys weren't buying. Why drag it out, ya know?
Also, nice to meet you. Wish it was under better circumstances... for me Muahahahahaaa!
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We won, great.
Props to DoubleX, clear town mvp.
Wheat, still a little annoyed by your case on me, but I do concede my business with brinatoo was unclear at best.
And I'm not tezz. He mentored me, or at least was supposed to
As to the first, being wrong isn't a scum tell. I'd have given myself away if I'd have tried that one.
True but it would have been something to work off that and his sudded switch of calling PF scum after the end of The Office mafia.
As to the second, yeah I tried that route. You guys weren't buying. Why drag it out, ya know?
Also, nice to meet you. Wish it was under better circumstances... for me Muahahahahaaa!
Yeah, I decided to go back to my initial read of it being a genuine apology and trying to ignore it.
Letting me/Jojo live so long was also possibly a mistake as the way I was playing it was obvious that Jojo was going to get arround to copping me at some point and RL had really dug himself into a hole going after me with all that venom that it would have been hard for him to back out of it.
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- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
If it gets to that point, then that and "Because I said so," should be obeyed as long as the parent explains why after the fact (unless the child knows that the parent is incorrect).
But those phrases shouldn't be used liberally and without explanation.
I hate that one but with a soon to be 4 year old who I explain why he has to do something repeatedly just to be asked why again I break that phrase out.
Raging I'm sorry I was being a dick, I shouldn't have been so mean. I'm really glad you didn't take it seriously and being condescending is something I really need to work on. Same to you WG, I know I definitely pissed you off this game
And I'm sorry I ever doubted you. You were townie as the day is long and I couldn't see it.
You reread his posts, as scum, and try to find something to quote that doesn't get you lynched when you make your "case" to get him lynched. Yeah, good luck with that.
I tried, really I did, but he was just too townie to crack. Hence my made up reason. Bleh. Soooooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaad!
You could've gone way out on a limb. There was enough that you could make a case, albeit a somewhat crazy one. And you taught me something: Know a man's meta before you meta him.
We won, great.
Props to DoubleX, clear town mvp.
Wheat, still a little annoyed by your case on me, but I do concede my business with brinatoo was unclear at best.
And I'm not tezz. He mentored me, or at least was supposed to
Now that the game is over, if you haven't already, I want you to look at my case on you again. Despite it being incorrect, most everything I said was legitimately scummy. Look at it, and never do those things again. Thus ends my mafia lesson for today.
His fault for playing scummy then. Same as if I caught a vig shot at any point after N2 it would have been my own fault.
Yah but I should have shot DoubleX that game instead.
Question to WG and DX
What was it with you two both thinking the other was scum, not just this game but the other game?
I read both cases and sometimes I feel people nitpick at things and make them bigger then they are instead of reading everything that is said.
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Yah but I should have shot DoubleX that game instead.
Question to WG and DX
What was it with you two both thinking the other was scum, not just this game but the other game?
I read both cases and sometimes I feel people nitpick at things and make them bigger then they are instead of reading everything that is said.
His interactions.
Even this game, after Basic 55 I knew he had to be town, but I kept getting these little naggy feelings that he was scum with PF. I knew it probably wasn't the case, but I couldn't help feeling that it was somehow.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm not town mvp at all, I was part of the people that outed both power-roles. I was so wrong this game about so many things, I let myself get forced into a Mephit lynch as well. This game definitely was bunch of people acting sort of townie, and getting lucky. It's not like one of those games where one townie nails all the scum.
Wheat the following I mean in the absolute nicest way, for improvement purposes, and I'd appreciate if I could learn why you thought I was scum as town too
Even this game, after Basic 55 I knew he had to be town, but I kept getting these little naggy feelings that he was scum with PF. I knew it probably wasn't the case, but I couldn't help feeling that it was somehow.
How are my interactions scummy? I tried so hard to interact with everyone this game and understand everyone's mindset. How is that scummy?
You saying you get 'naggy feelings' and not actually explaining why you get them is a perfect example for the below...
Why I think Wheat is usually scum:
1. Sometimes he says things that directly contradict an earlier statement, then just pretends it didn't happen (re: #55 opinion on me in D3)
2. Sometimes hops wagons, even if he showed no inclination to them earlier, or was targeting the wagonee's attacker just before (re: a lot of D1 in #55)
3. Sometimes claims things and doesn't provide reasoning, even when prodded. Gut feelings, especially late-game, do not mean much to me. There is a wealth of information in the thread so when one says something without reasoning late-game, it just is anti-town. (re: #56 Brinatoo being town, opinion on me just quoted above)
Even with his Kahedron/Vig thing (which was so pro-town reasoning) the rest of the things he did this game were really textbook scum game to me. PF on the other hand, seemed completely legitimate with his bus on Brinatoo. He started pushing Brinatoo out of nowhere, after Brinatoo was already rung up and not lynched once. I could simply not see any scum motive in attacking Brinatoo when his wagon momentum fizzled. Scum would breathe a sigh of relief, and move onto whoever. The truth ended up being that he was just planning REALLY long term
I really should have just accepted Wheat's massive PBPA's as proof he is town, but his whole playstyle otherwise just seems to scream scum (or at least anti-town) to me.
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It's not just about Wheat being wrong Artifice, if you made a huge deal out of Wheat having to be dragged to Brinatoo's lynch, then talked about how Wheat was playing off my OOG feelings (from #55), and pushed WG to explain why he voted RL (little-to-no reasons), then I could have definitely been convinced. I am easily convinced of things
EDIT: I do wholly agree with Wheat on Mephit. His PBPAs are flawed, some fluff in it but when he brought up how you tip-toed around Brinatoo falseclaiming I couldn't really argue against that. It simply makes NO sense as a jailer to jail the cop. As soon as you read Brinatoo saying that you should been on auto-lynch mode. There is no reason, in my opinion, to believe that a town jailer would want to jail the cop.
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2. Sometimes hops wagons, even if he showed no inclination to them earlier, or was targeting the wagonee's attacker just before (re: a lot of D1 in #55)
3. Sometimes claims things and doesn't provide reasoning, even when prodded. Gut feelings, especially late-game, do not mean much to me. There is a wealth of information in the thread so when one says something without reasoning late-game, it just is anti-town. (re: #56 Brinatoo being town, opinion on me just quoted above)
I feel like QFT the first part of #2. I have gotten so used to WG doing this now that in Office Mafia I ended up unvoting him and re-evaluting him on a different level (he was doing the game under a different account in the begining).
The 3rd part is frustrating and I run across #3 with multiple players and feel like I'm pulling teeth just to have them give me more of a reason then just because.
I think towards end game when the two of you started talking to each other a bit more really, really helped.
It's not just about Wheat being wrong Artifice, if you made a huge deal out of Wheat having to be dragged to Brinatoo's lynch, then talked about how Wheat was playing off my OOG feelings (from #55), and pushed WG to explain why he voted RL (little-to-no reasons), then I could have definitely been convinced. I am easily convinced of things
EDIT: I do wholly agree with Wheat on Mephit. His PBPAs are flawed, some fluff in it but when he brought up how you tip-toed around Brinatoo falseclaiming I couldn't really argue against that. It simply makes NO sense as a jailer to jail the cop. As soon as you read Brinatoo saying that you should been on auto-lynch mode. There is no reason, in my opinion, to believe that a town jailer would want to jail the cop.
FYI: I had a town jailer once use the ability to protect the claimed cop.
Reasoning was they wanted to protect the claimed cop.
I understand that reasoning. It's not wrong as you want to protect a town PR over and beyond them getting results.
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I'm not town mvp at all, I was part of the people that outed both power-roles. I was so wrong this game about so many things, I let myself get forced into a Mephit lynch as well. This game definitely was bunch of people acting sort of townie, and getting lucky. It's not like one of those games where one townie nails all the scum.
Your play at the beginning wasn't great, but no one's was. It was your play at the end that gives you the MVP.
Wheat the following I mean in the absolute nicest way, for improvement purposes, and I'd appreciate if I could learn why you thought I was scum as town too
No, I'm glad of it! How can I hate you?
How are my interactions scummy? I tried so hard to interact with everyone this game and understand everyone's mindset. How is that scummy?
Well take for example you and PF at the end: You had PF and RL or PF and me as the two likeliest scumteams, yet continually called PF town. That led me to think you might have been scum with PF even though I knew you weren't.
Actually now that I think about this more I think it's something in the way you post I don't like, and I don't know exactly what it is. I think I'll be better able to read you in future games though, so don't worry too hard.
You saying you get 'naggy feelings' and not actually explaining why you get them is a perfect example for the below...
Why I think Wheat is usually scum:
1. Sometimes he says things that directly contradict an earlier statement, then just pretends it didn't happen (re: #55 opinion on me in D3)
2. Sometimes hops wagons, even if he showed no inclination to them earlier, or was targeting the wagonee's attacker just before (re: a lot of D1 in #55)
3. Sometimes claims things and doesn't provide reasoning, even when prodded. Gut feelings, especially late-game, do not mean much to me. There is a wealth of information in the thread so when one says something without reasoning late-game, it just is anti-town. (re: #56 Brinatoo being town, opinion on me just quoted above)
Yeah, that's something I'm just not very good at expressing.
Even with his Kahedron/Vig thing (which was so pro-town reasoning) the rest of the things he did this game were really textbook scum game to me. PF on the other hand, seemed completely legitimate with his bus on Brinatoo. He started pushing Brinatoo out of nowhere, after Brinatoo was already rung up and not lynched once. I could simply not see any scum motive in attacking Brinatoo when his wagon momentum fizzled. Scum would breathe a sigh of relief, and move onto whoever. The truth ended up being that he was just planning REALLY long term
Some scum are bussy. Look at the scumteam from Basic 49.
I really should have just accepted Wheat's massive PBPA's as proof he is town, but his whole playstyle otherwise just seems to scream scum (or at least anti-town) to me.
Sometimes people who put in a lot of effort are still scum. Look at me in Kitteh Trek.
I feel like QFT the first part of #2. I have gotten so used to WG doing this now that in Office Mafia I ended up unvoting him and re-evaluting him on a different level (he was doing the game under a different account in the begining).
The 3rd part is frustrating and I run across #3 with multiple players and feel like I'm pulling teeth just to have them give me more of a reason then just because.
I think towards end game when the two of you started talking to each other a bit more really, really helped.
In some ways I kind of feel like I'm Yanni in some respects, with always being scummy at first, but later having people realize it's the way I play and not killing me over it. I think it helps that I haven't had very many scum games yet, the only two being replacements in.
As for the last sentence, I definitely think that in any game we're in together, we should talk to each other a ton, DX.
I think towards end game when the two of you started talking to each other a bit more really, really helped.
It really didn't
FYI: I had a town jailer once use the ability to protect the claimed cop.
Reasoning was they wanted to protect the claimed cop.
I understand that reasoning. It's not wrong as you want to protect a town PR over and beyond them getting results.
I don't mean any disrespect to Jomafro, but was the player in your case a really experienced player? If Seppel was un-CCed cop this game I wouldn't have a problem with it, or if everyone REALLY needed Jomafro alive. But if you jail the cop to protect him, what's the difference between him and a VT?
Even if you plan on doing this to kill off the RB so he can cop again, I find that just as likely as not having a RB in the game.
Your play at the beginning wasn't great, but no one's was. It was your play at the end that gives you the MVP.
I never play good on D1 because I have nothing relevant to talk about, and I'm bad at reading tone with absolutely nothing else.
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Well take for example you and PF at the end: You had PF and RL or PF and me as the two likeliest scumteams, yet continually called PF town. That led me to think you might have been scum with PF even though I knew you weren't.
I really mean this when I say it, PF was the most behaviorally town that day, more than Kahedron, more than you, more than RL. I didn't continually call him town that day, I did it on previous days but then again everyone was so I didn't want to even bother trying. On D4 I obviously couldn't just ride on that info because it was mylo. PF was still the most behaviorally townie, but I was just struggling to see a WG-RL scumteam at that point. Like I said when you questioned me earlier in-game, I was more sure of RL being scum than I was of you and RL not being a scumteam (which would make PF the automatic scum). I understand it sounds weird, but I think it makes sense so if it's wrong please tell me
Actually now that I think about this more I think it's something in the way you post I don't like, and I don't know exactly what it is. I think I'll be better able to read you in future games though, so don't worry too hard.
Exactly my point! What about my posting don't you like! Again without reasons sigh even post game~
At least when I said PF gave me all the wrong feels on D2 I was right he was avoiding offending anyone whatsoever as scum. Even Kah, who he pushed for most of the game, he rarely said a bad word ABOUT kah, just about how he posted.
Some scum are bussy. Look at the scumteam from Basic 49.
It was how he targetted brinatoo, not just the busing.
Sometimes people who put in a lot of effort are still scum. Look at me in Kitteh Trek.
It was how you put effort in, not just effort.
As for the last sentence, I definitely think that in any game we're in together, we should talk to each other a ton, DX.
I think this will happen regardless
Also why did Seppel just start that wagon on a lurker, especially when he went onto replace that lurker in #55. Man that rubbed me in all the wrong ways...without a claim too!
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I really mean this when I say it, PF was the most behaviorally town that day, more than Kahedron, more than you, more than RL. I didn't continually call him town that day, I did it on previous days but then again everyone was so I didn't want to even bother trying. On D4 I obviously couldn't just ride on that info because it was mylo. PF was still the most behaviorally townie, but I was just struggling to see a WG-RL scumteam at that point. Like I said when you questioned me earlier in-game, I was more sure of RL being scum than I was of you and RL not being a scumteam (which would make PF the automatic scum). I understand it sounds weird, but I think it makes sense so if it's wrong please tell me
The last part doesn't make sense as to why you wouldn't push PF: If RL is scum, and you can't see WG-RL as a scumteam, PF is scum.
Sometimes that's what you have to do.
Exactly my point! What about my posting don't you like! Again without reasons sigh even post game~
I don't know what those reasons are! It's probably something in the language that tips my gut against you, but I couldn't point it out for the life of me (or rather I could, but my custom title is what it is for a reason.)
I think this will happen regardless
Good. Remind me that you aren't necessarily scum next game as well.
Also why did Seppel just start that wagon on a lurker, especially when he went onto replace that lurker in #55. Man that rubbed me in all the wrong ways...without a claim too!
Because that's the way Seppel plays. He did the same thing in Basic 49, against Manders of all people.
Plus, scum end up replacing just a tic more than town, especially noob scum.
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I feel I could have won this game if I hadn't had storms and no internet here, oh well.
Oh and @Everyone but XX mainly: I hope this teaches you all not to just say I'm town because of meta and that I don't bus as scum. Good one Also, this game showed how powerful WIFOM was for the scum! I should have claimed vig when I got the chance but just felt like giving myself a challenge
I loved this game though, thanks everyone and sorry Tan for the ****ed up situation.
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You really played fantastically, PF. Busing Brinatoo threw me off your trail SO MUCH. Also WG telling me that you were very town on D2 influenced a lot. I actually had 2/3 scum team at one point, then got thrown off :-/. I think your interactions were pretty even between WG and RL up to D4 as well, great job balancing it out. But of course you were going to be a suspect when we had 3 suspects and 2 scum left
RL did great as well, I really only went after him because PF put him as his second scumspect. Which is very flawed reasoning, but I got lucky this time. Flat out refusing to talk to me really pinged scumdar.
Brinatoo played awesome too! It was just how he got on ITU wagon that stuck out to me. Also PF bussed him to hell, not sure if he would have been the lynch that day without it.
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I so wanted to say much in this game. My thought on hypocrisy by the way double is that it really is a null tell.
My joke I tell myself whenever I see someone making a hypocritical comment if my parents can be a hypocrite then why can't anyone else?
I gave my position to PF because I saw he had been missed by Tar (mod) and I felt bad for him. I also was hoping I could make amends for shooting at him in a prior game by giving the spot he wanted up.
You did good PF. Too bad the storm got you off line for so long.
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More likely a different generation.
The number of times I heard "Do as I say, not as I do"
If that is not the most hypocritical and hated comment I don't know what is.
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Hypocrisy has always been a scumtell to me.
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If it gets to that point, then that and "Because I said so," should be obeyed as long as the parent explains why after the fact (unless the child knows that the parent is incorrect).
But those phrases shouldn't be used liberally and without explanation.
I want to twist this sentence and say something vaguely dirty, but I'll refrain.
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This may be the most mature thing I've ever seen you post.
I have to admit I was very against lynching you because you were polite to me opposed to the heat that was coming my direction from Levine and then Brin's stupid OMGUS after I voted for him.
If you had claimed vig though I would have started asking why was I still breathing as I very much expected to be the vig shot at somepoint during the game.
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If you claimed it:
EWP: Oh and what Kah said as well. If you have Kah as your scummiest going into N2, there is no reason not to vig him. Even if you said Kah was going to be copped, you still said plenty of things to suggest that LN is a bad vig target and that Kah's ideas were bad.
Also if you were anything more than a 1-shot, considering I didn't know a godfather exists, the PRs would have been tilted incredibly unfairly towards town.
Finally, if we had:
Kahedron
XX
WG
PF
With PF claiming shots, I would have said to NL, shoot WG and see what happens. You wouldn't have made it out after that. It would have been Me, You, and Kah, with you claiming that both you and scum shot the same person, and confirmed town Kahedron isn't confirmed town. You would have had to lynch me, and that would have fun, and in my opinion highly unlikely
I'm still pissed that I had Brinatoo and PF as my top two scumreads on D2 and then was swayed when WG said they were both town. God that was terrible on my part.
BTW I think Artifice could have made a convincing case on Wheat if he wanted to, before his slip up at the end I was still considering WG. Thinking about his lack of reasons for RL lynch, blatant lying about Brinatoo, etc. I find myself agree with Void 100%.
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You reread his posts, as scum, and try to find something to quote that doesn't get you lynched when you make your "case" to get him lynched. Yeah, good luck with that.
I tried, really I did, but he was just too townie to crack. Hence my made up reason. Bleh. Soooooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaad!
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And I could have claimed backup cop, there is no way you guys would have said it is flimsy because everyone is used to 3 town PR's
XX gets best townie, he is the only reason we lost
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@pf: Haven't you learned what happens when you claim Backup anything here?
I got lynched in Random 4 as a Backup Doc, and I claimed Town Backup in 1984...
Here's some future WIFOM for you guys for games I won't even play in: I fully intend to incorporate some of my falseclaims into roles for future games I'm going to run. On that note, feel free to use any of my falseclaims as falseclaims for future games I'm running. Good luck not getting counterclaimed or passing it off, though.
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Every single one of WG reads was off, that and his almost complete refusal to vote Brin might have given you something to work off particularly since DX seemed to want to run off after him the day we lynched RL.
That and both you and DX mentioning RL's post lynch apology throw us into a loop as I was just taking that at face value and trying not read any more into it as to his team members.
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As to the second, yeah I tried that route. You guys weren't buying. Why drag it out, ya know?
Also, nice to meet you. Wish it was under better circumstances... for me Muahahahahaaa!
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Props to DoubleX, clear town mvp.
Wheat, still a little annoyed by your case on me, but I do concede my business with brinatoo was unclear at best.
And I'm not tezz. He mentored me, or at least was supposed to
GG
True but it would have been something to work off that and his sudded switch of calling PF scum after the end of The Office mafia.
Yeah, I decided to go back to my initial read of it being a genuine apology and trying to ignore it.
Letting me/Jojo live so long was also possibly a mistake as the way I was playing it was obvious that Jojo was going to get arround to copping me at some point and RL had really dug himself into a hole going after me with all that venom that it would have been hard for him to back out of it.
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PF was last scum?
Wowkay that's crazy.
Anyway, sorry I had to disappear at the end there, but stuff happened. GG town. Sorry I couldn't have been more help during the game, yeh?
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I hate that one but with a soon to be 4 year old who I explain why he has to do something repeatedly just to be asked why again I break that phrase out.
Now you can't be upset with me shooting you in Artifice101's game.
And no more guilt for me!
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I was a 2 shot vig and night 1 I killed PF because I thought he was scum. He was town and really wanted to play the game and was upset on dying early.
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His fault for playing scummy then. Same as if I caught a vig shot at any point after N2 it would have been my own fault.
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And I'm sorry I ever doubted you. You were townie as the day is long and I couldn't see it.
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It was incredibly close.
Man you must hate playing with me.
That, my friend, is the only reason we were able to.
You could've gone way out on a limb. There was enough that you could make a case, albeit a somewhat crazy one. And you taught me something: Know a man's meta before you meta him.
Yeah, we probably would've lost to that.
I actually think you could've pushed it well enough to give us a run for our money.
Now that the game is over, if you haven't already, I want you to look at my case on you again. Despite it being incorrect, most everything I said was legitimately scummy. Look at it, and never do those things again. Thus ends my mafia lesson for today.
inorite?
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DX is obviously the town MVP. PF is the greatest among the scum, though by turns I had been convinced by the other two as well.
Sorry for my terrible reads. I'll try to get better ones in other games.
Yah but I should have shot DoubleX that game instead.
Question to WG and DX
What was it with you two both thinking the other was scum, not just this game but the other game?
I read both cases and sometimes I feel people nitpick at things and make them bigger then they are instead of reading everything that is said.
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His interactions.
Even this game, after Basic 55 I knew he had to be town, but I kept getting these little naggy feelings that he was scum with PF. I knew it probably wasn't the case, but I couldn't help feeling that it was somehow.
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Wheat the following I mean in the absolute nicest way, for improvement purposes, and I'd appreciate if I could learn why you thought I was scum as town too
How are my interactions scummy? I tried so hard to interact with everyone this game and understand everyone's mindset. How is that scummy?
You saying you get 'naggy feelings' and not actually explaining why you get them is a perfect example for the below...
Why I think Wheat is usually scum:
1. Sometimes he says things that directly contradict an earlier statement, then just pretends it didn't happen (re: #55 opinion on me in D3)
2. Sometimes hops wagons, even if he showed no inclination to them earlier, or was targeting the wagonee's attacker just before (re: a lot of D1 in #55)
3. Sometimes claims things and doesn't provide reasoning, even when prodded. Gut feelings, especially late-game, do not mean much to me. There is a wealth of information in the thread so when one says something without reasoning late-game, it just is anti-town. (re: #56 Brinatoo being town, opinion on me just quoted above)
Even with his Kahedron/Vig thing (which was so pro-town reasoning) the rest of the things he did this game were really textbook scum game to me. PF on the other hand, seemed completely legitimate with his bus on Brinatoo. He started pushing Brinatoo out of nowhere, after Brinatoo was already rung up and not lynched once. I could simply not see any scum motive in attacking Brinatoo when his wagon momentum fizzled. Scum would breathe a sigh of relief, and move onto whoever. The truth ended up being that he was just planning REALLY long term
I really should have just accepted Wheat's massive PBPA's as proof he is town, but his whole playstyle otherwise just seems to scream scum (or at least anti-town) to me.
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EDIT: I do wholly agree with Wheat on Mephit. His PBPAs are flawed, some fluff in it but when he brought up how you tip-toed around Brinatoo falseclaiming I couldn't really argue against that. It simply makes NO sense as a jailer to jail the cop. As soon as you read Brinatoo saying that you should been on auto-lynch mode. There is no reason, in my opinion, to believe that a town jailer would want to jail the cop.
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I feel like QFT the first part of #2. I have gotten so used to WG doing this now that in Office Mafia I ended up unvoting him and re-evaluting him on a different level (he was doing the game under a different account in the begining).
The 3rd part is frustrating and I run across #3 with multiple players and feel like I'm pulling teeth just to have them give me more of a reason then just because.
I think towards end game when the two of you started talking to each other a bit more really, really helped.
FYI: I had a town jailer once use the ability to protect the claimed cop.
Reasoning was they wanted to protect the claimed cop.
I understand that reasoning. It's not wrong as you want to protect a town PR over and beyond them getting results.
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Your play at the beginning wasn't great, but no one's was. It was your play at the end that gives you the MVP.
No, I'm glad of it! How can I hate you?
Well take for example you and PF at the end: You had PF and RL or PF and me as the two likeliest scumteams, yet continually called PF town. That led me to think you might have been scum with PF even though I knew you weren't.
Actually now that I think about this more I think it's something in the way you post I don't like, and I don't know exactly what it is. I think I'll be better able to read you in future games though, so don't worry too hard.
Yeah, that's something I'm just not very good at expressing.
Some scum are bussy. Look at the scumteam from Basic 49.
Sometimes people who put in a lot of effort are still scum. Look at me in Kitteh Trek.
In some ways I kind of feel like I'm Yanni in some respects, with always being scummy at first, but later having people realize it's the way I play and not killing me over it. I think it helps that I haven't had very many scum games yet, the only two being replacements in.
As for the last sentence, I definitely think that in any game we're in together, we should talk to each other a ton, DX.
It really didn't
I don't mean any disrespect to Jomafro, but was the player in your case a really experienced player? If Seppel was un-CCed cop this game I wouldn't have a problem with it, or if everyone REALLY needed Jomafro alive. But if you jail the cop to protect him, what's the difference between him and a VT?
Even if you plan on doing this to kill off the RB so he can cop again, I find that just as likely as not having a RB in the game.
I never play good on D1 because I have nothing relevant to talk about, and I'm bad at reading tone with absolutely nothing else.
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I really mean this when I say it, PF was the most behaviorally town that day, more than Kahedron, more than you, more than RL. I didn't continually call him town that day, I did it on previous days but then again everyone was so I didn't want to even bother trying. On D4 I obviously couldn't just ride on that info because it was mylo. PF was still the most behaviorally townie, but I was just struggling to see a WG-RL scumteam at that point. Like I said when you questioned me earlier in-game, I was more sure of RL being scum than I was of you and RL not being a scumteam (which would make PF the automatic scum). I understand it sounds weird, but I think it makes sense so if it's wrong please tell me
Exactly my point! What about my posting don't you like! Again without reasons sigh even post game~
At least when I said PF gave me all the wrong feels on D2 I was right he was avoiding offending anyone whatsoever as scum. Even Kah, who he pushed for most of the game, he rarely said a bad word ABOUT kah, just about how he posted.
It was how he targetted brinatoo, not just the busing.
It was how you put effort in, not just effort.
I think this will happen regardless
Also why did Seppel just start that wagon on a lurker, especially when he went onto replace that lurker in #55. Man that rubbed me in all the wrong ways...without a claim too!
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The last part doesn't make sense as to why you wouldn't push PF: If RL is scum, and you can't see WG-RL as a scumteam, PF is scum.
Sometimes that's what you have to do.
I don't know what those reasons are! It's probably something in the language that tips my gut against you, but I couldn't point it out for the life of me (or rather I could, but my custom title is what it is for a reason.)
Good. Remind me that you aren't necessarily scum next game as well.
Because that's the way Seppel plays. He did the same thing in Basic 49, against Manders of all people.
Plus, scum end up replacing just a tic more than town, especially noob scum.