It wasn't a joke? I've been talking to Jo and Mephit, and it's day, so...
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...Or, what if they need jomafro and Mephit dead for some reason? If we lynch DX and he flips scum, we'd go after one of them next... Wait, no, when one flips town we wouldn't bother with the other one.
Still, I'm concerned. This is very confusing.
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I almost want to think that the scum gets a bonus somehow when DoubleX dies. In a Basic, though? That doesn't seem likely.
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I would like to hear from Mephit and jomafro. If they really are scum and DX just threw the game for kicks... Wow, that's a dick move.
If DX is scum, I'm guessing that Mephit and jomafro are not necessarily his scumbuddies. He realized that he'd be the focus of the day, and so he at least tried to get a day 2 mislynch out of it.
At this point, I'd be willing to bet DX is scum. He claimed and said it was a joke to make people think he was town. Vote remains.
Though, I'm not suspicious of jomafro and Mephit anymore.
Exactly. DoubleX does not indicate the alignment of anyone else. Day 2 will be more or less the day 1 for this thread except down a scum and town, with possibly some scum investigated during the night.
I'm going to put my disclaimer here. I don't vote unless I absolutely 100% think you are scum and/or to put pressure on someone so they claim. But the second thing screwed me over last game, so I'm probably not going to be doing it this game.
To be fair, didn't fluffyn00b legitimately have that in his signature since before that game?
The point remains, though: Don't claim scum.
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We never managed to confirm that. Some people thought he pulled the same gag in Yanni's Pulp Fiction before that and was scum there so used it as corroboration.
Either way we need to clean up some of this spilled wine. More votes on DoubleX plz. Tomorrow can look after itself once that has been done.
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I'm going to put my disclaimer here. I don't vote unless I absolutely 100% think you are scum and/or to put pressure on someone so they claim. But the second thing screwed me over last game, so I'm probably not going to be doing it this game.
FOS: Double X
Why did you feel the need to tell people this?
So far I noted that jomafro used his own meta to find invent scummy.
This is a town tell in my book as I saw Yanni and others whom find players typically scummy based on their own play. Unlike what GigaRage did in Monster Island using his scum meta to clear someone.
I don't like Kah's questions. (1) He doesn't answer the questions himself and (2) why would he ask about a day chat? Then I note the first person to answer and he goes along with what is said.
Wheat comment at the start gives me a gut wrenching town read. I think in the back of my head if this is something I should worry about as I usually find him incredibly scummy.
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We never managed to confirm that. Some people thought he pulled the same gag in Yanni's Pulp Fiction before that and was scum there so used it as corroboration.
Either way we need to clean up some of this spilled wine. More votes on DoubleX plz. Tomorrow can look after itself once that has been done.
You can not really believe someone like Double whom I've seen manipulate people would do something as bad as claiming he's scum with day talk?
The question Wheat asked was bad. No person in their right mind is going to answer that and really be scum.
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...Or, what if they need jomafro and Mephit dead for some reason? If we lynch DX and he flips scum, we'd go after one of them next... Wait, no, when one flips town we wouldn't bother with the other one.
Still, I'm concerned. This is very confusing.
Look at what you are saying! Scum has no way of knowing who are the PRs.
If DX is scum, I'm guessing that Mephit and jomafro are not necessarily his scumbuddies. He realized that he'd be the focus of the day, and so he at least tried to get a day 2 mislynch out of it.
Everything you've said only makes sense from an overconfident scum mindset.
That's terrible reasoning. I said it as a joke, scum naming their buddies doesn't do squat because it's WIFOM, and I have no reason to if I'm really scum. I've played enough to know that.
No, just bored town. I was making a dry joke because your question towards scum was terrible.
Exactly. DoubleX does not indicate the alignment of anyone else. Day 2 will be more or less the day 1 for this thread except down a scum and town, with possibly some scum investigated during the night.
Day 2 will be way different than a day 1, because you will have my awesome wagon to analyze (if I'm lynched). If I'm not lynched, I'll probably be the vigkill then.
I'm going to put my disclaimer here. I don't vote unless I absolutely 100% think you are scum and/or to put pressure on someone so they claim. But the second thing screwed me over last game, so I'm probably not going to be doing it this game.
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This is a rather scummy thing to say, it enables scum to fencesit.
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There are two sides to this coin. WG asked a very stupid question that no scum would legitimately answer.
DoubleX can be answering this as scum to try and paint himself as obvious town.
DoubleX can be answering this as town just trying to be comedic.
I'm suspicious of DoubleX right now, but it's not enough to warrant a vote.
What does make be extremely worried is how quickly Kahedron wants people to vote on DoubleX. Right now it really makes me believe that if DX is scum, Kahedron is town and vice versa.
There are two sides to this coin. WG asked a very stupid question that no scum would legitimately answer.
DoubleX can be answering this as scum to try and paint himself as obvious town.
DoubleX can be answering this as town just trying to be comedic.
I'm suspicious of DoubleX right now, but it's not enough to warrant a vote.
What does make be extremely worried is how quickly Kahedron wants people to vote on DoubleX. Right now it really makes me believe that if DX is scum, Kahedron is town and vice versa.
Vote: Kahedron.
Why are you suspicious of DoubleX?
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There are two sides to this coin. WG asked a very stupid question that no scum would legitimately answer.
Granted, I am amazed that any one even acknowledged it let alone answered it. Unfortunatly it was and now we need to deal with its consequences.
DoubleX can be answering this as scum to try and paint himself as obvious town.
DoubleX can be answering this as town just trying to be comedic.
I'm suspicious of DoubleX right now, but it's not enough to warrant a vote.
What does make be extremely worried is how quickly Kahedron wants people to vote on DoubleX. Right now it really makes me believe that if DX is scum, Kahedron is town and vice versa.
Or we are both Town. Yes I am pushing the wagon after seeing what a similar situation did in Supernatural I am not sure how to get the game moving with out the DX situation resolved with out testing it by lynching him.
@ Pinky: the reason why I didn't answer my own question is I don't feel either Jomafro or ITU had anything to answer for. I was as I posted a way to completely kill RVS off. Shame it provoked what appears to be more silliness on a cosmic scale. Could you suggest any DX games in particular one should read to get a feel for him/ how likely he is to act in the manner he has?
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Look at what you are saying! Scum has no way of knowing who are the PRs.
That's true. I also don't know who the scum is, and what game's they've played in the past. Maybe one of them knows you well enough to determine your alignment with relative ease?
That being said, the rest of the argument does fall apart fairly quickly. I'm keeping an eye on you, but I don't think you deserve a vote yet.
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Still not happy with how you answered, but I can't be sure yet.
But hey, we're well and truly out of RVS!
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Usually Double is a bit more thoughtful when he is town and says a lot of what is on his mind. His play this game reminds me more of Iso when he did something bad and gets lynched because of it (see SWM as an example).
Why do you think he answered the question seriously?
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No I haven't spoken to DoubleX and I take that as a complete joke by him.
I actually don't have time to read thouroughly today (and yes I'm aware it's not that many posts). Will tomorrow. Nice to meet everyone, except the RVS which I just missed apparently:)
Usually Double is a bit more thoughtful when he is town and says a lot of what is on his mind. His play this game reminds me more of Iso when he did something bad and gets lynched because of it (see SWM as an example).
Why do you think he answered the question seriously?
Oh crud...your invoking Iso. We must be in trouble.
At the moment I can't see any reason why anyone would acknowledge let alone answer the question WG put up in the thread.
On reading the post DX made I had to spend quite some effort reattaching my jaw, and knew it had to be dealt with in some way and the logical thing to do was test it by lynching him. Then he made his second post...
Thanks for the links to the other games will read them 2morrow or when N1 rolls round which ever is sooner providing we both are still here.
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Can you explain what you mean by this? What are you implying? This is actually really important and not a joke.
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You can not really believe someone like Double whom I've seen manipulate people would do something as bad as claiming he's scum with day talk?
The question Wheat asked was bad. No person in their right mind is going to answer that and really be scum.
Exactly what he expected us to think. You're also scum, by the way, remember Supernatural?
There are two sides to this coin. WG asked a very stupid question that no scum would legitimately answer.
DoubleX can be answering this as scum to try and paint himself as obvious town.
DoubleX can be answering this as town just trying to be comedic.
I'm suspicious of DoubleX right now, but it's not enough to warrant a vote.
What does make be extremely worried is how quickly Kahedron wants people to vote on DoubleX. Right now it really makes me believe that if DX is scum, Kahedron is town and vice versa.
Look at what you are saying! Scum has no way of knowing who are the PRs.
Now that's true.
That's cool, mine was a joke. Check #53 when I flat out told Iso I was a daycop, then kept it up for a few pages until he got really pissy.
Yes but people claiming daycop are usually lying, where as people claiming scum are WIFOMing and usually are scum.
As a joke, if it wasn't obvious.
I have no doubts about your intent.
That's terrible reasoning. I said it as a joke, scum naming their buddies doesn't do squat because it's WIFOM, and I have no reason to if I'm really scum. I've played enough to know that.
But why would you as town? This only makes sense from a scum mindset.
No, just bored town. I was making a dry joke because your question towards scum was terrible.
Indeed, I am perfectly aware how bad it was and it was meant mostly as a joke. But it was a joke with a barb in it, ready to watch the unwary scum. And it did.
I will and continue to claim scum when people ask questions to 'scum'.
God I hope not.
Day 2 will be way different than a day 1, because you will have my awesome wagon to analyze (if I'm lynched). If I'm not lynched, I'll probably be the vigkill then.
Right now you're the greatest lynch. Either way you flip, we get a lot of info on who's town and who's scum.
This is a rather scummy thing to say, it enables scum to fencesit.
Usually Double is a bit more thoughtful when he is town and says a lot of what is on his mind. His play this game reminds me more of Iso when he did something bad and gets lynched because of it (see SWM as an example).
You can't really compare anyone to Iso. And anyway, this does not sound like the town DX I remember from Magic School Bus.
Exactly what he expected us to think. You're also scum, by the way, remember Supernatural?
I don't remember what Pinky did in that game, do tell. That being said, Pinky is too good of a player to not be NK'd in the first few days, at least from my experience. If she lasts a long time, I'll have to look at her for a very long time.
Yes but people claiming daycop are usually lying, where as people claiming scum are WIFOMing and usually are scum.
What statistics say that people who joke about being scum are usually scum? Or are you just making up trends?
But why would you as town? This only makes sense from a scum mindset.
Because boredom, and I've been feeling pretty narcissistic recently.
Indeed, I am perfectly aware how bad it was and it was meant mostly as a joke. But it was a joke with a barb in it, ready to watch the unwary scum. And it did.
Yes, as scum I am very unwary. I fall for the silliest of silly gambits. Please don't get fussy just because I poked fun at your terrible joke.
God I hope not.
Awkward.
Right now you're the greatest lynch. Either way you flip, we get a lot of info on who's town and who's scum.
Not when there is only 6 pages worth of posts. Let more rage from everyone else build. It's not tells from who are getting on and off my wagon, it's language tells.
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Also not channeling Iso, Iso does silly gambits which he says he uses to find scum. I was just joking around.
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Kahedron and Wheat Grinder are like totally reminding me of the Cateran in Mercadian Masques. All they need to do is summon up a third mercenary (of lesser converted mana cost) to apply pressure to Double X. Or maybe I just have too much Mercadian Masques block on my mind with the release of it on MODO.
Are we really making this big of a deal out of a joke? To call for meta explanations and everything?
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Someone asked me why I posted what I posted earlier about not voting until I'm 100% sure. I'm incredibly indecisive person. In real life too. I often ask for two to three opinions before I take action. That's why I suck at this game, because me asking for advice is considering "fishing" and "fishing" is considered a scum tell.
That's why I signed up for this with a mentor, so I can get my thinking straight so I can be a better player at this game.
Exactly what he expected us to think. You're also scum, by the way, remember Supernatural?
I remember Fluffynoob whom had a sig that he had from a previous game being called out by Iso for claiming scum in his signature.
Your comparing that to what DX stated? Please tell how because I saw it as a gambit more.
Also Fluffy was scummy as **** despite his signature.
What makes DX scummy?
Kahedron and Wheat Grinder are like totally reminding me of the Cateran in Mercadian Masques. All they need to do is summon up a third mercenary (of lesser converted mana cost) to apply pressure to Double X. Or maybe I just have too much Mercadian Masques block on my mind with the release of it on MODO.
Are we really making this big of a deal out of a joke? To call for meta explanations and everything?
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Someone asked me why I posted what I posted earlier about not voting until I'm 100% sure. I'm incredibly indecisive person. In real life too. I often ask for two to three opinions before I take action. That's why I suck at this game, because me asking for advice is considering "fishing" and "fishing" is considered a scum tell.
That's why I signed up for this with a mentor, so I can get my thinking straight so I can be a better player at this game.
Make sense? Hope so...
I asked. I don't find people fishing for being indecisive I find is scummy when people find a need to explain their actions before anyone ask.
Example would be DoubleX in Monster Mafia when he told people he won't be as active and gave a reason without anyone saying anything too him.
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I just remember what WG is referring to.
Fluffy claimed scum at the start of the game and was scum and lynched for not just the sig but claiming.
I didn't take it seriously there so I can see where WG is coming from in regards to DX. Fluffy lurked after being called out and OMGUS on Iso after pages of people arguing about his actions.
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I don't remember what Pinky did in that game, do tell. That being said, Pinky is too good of a player to not be NK'd in the first few days, at least from my experience. If she lasts a long time, I'll have to look at her for a very long time.
It was not what Pinky did, it was that he was in that game. What happened was that people were against lynching fluffyn00b until Iso battered everyone into doing it, and he came up scum. This also led to me correctly vigging kill-joy for his defense of fluffy. I am saying that Pinky is the kill-joy in this game.
What statistics say that people who joke about being scum are usually scum? Or are you just making up trends?
Supernatural: Claimed scum flipped scum. I believe a game immediately before went the same way, but I have no evidence. Also me in Amnesia, though to be fair that was a gambit and I would not have normally.
Because boredom, and I've been feeling pretty narcissistic recently.
:/ I do not accept this explanation.
Yes, as scum I am very unwary. I fall for the silliest of silly gambits. Please don't get fussy just because I poked fun at your terrible joke.
The nice thing about silly gambits is that they still work sometimes, as shown here.
Awkward.
Please don't claim scum in other games. You'll cause yourself a lot of trouble, especially if you meet up with Iso.
Not when there is only 6 pages worth of posts. Let more rage from everyone else build. It's not tells from who are getting on and off my wagon, it's language tells.
I'm up for letting this day go on longer, I'm just saying at the end you will likely be the best lynch.
I just remember what WG is referring to.
Fluffy claimed scum at the start of the game and was scum and lynched for not just the sig but claiming.
I didn't take it seriously there so I can see where WG is coming from in regards to DX. Fluffy lurked after being called out and OMGUS on Iso after pages of people arguing about his actions.
Not quite, but I explained it above. Also to answer your question from the post before the quoted, he is scummy for his responses after claiming scum.
Supernatural: Claimed scum flipped scum. I believe a game immediately before went the same way, but I have no evidence. Also me in Amnesia, though to be fair that was a gambit and I would not have normally.
So no trend, you are just making up stuff. Anecdotal evidence isn't very useful mon ami.
:/ I do not accept this explanation.
Okay.
The nice thing about silly gambits is that they still work sometimes, as shown here.
In catching people on my wagon, maybe. When Kahedron responds to my post, we'll judge whether your question was useful. It was not a gambit, gambits have inherent risks to them. My joke accidentally became a gambit.
Please don't claim scum in other games. You'll cause yourself a lot of trouble, especially if you meet up with Iso.
Okay mom.
I'm up for letting this day go on longer, I'm just saying at the end you will likely be the best lynch.
Sure, my lynch won't be the worst thing in the world. The only real 'skill' I have that most of you don't is massive natural suspicion on Pinky and motivation not to mislynch her if she's town, or lose to her if she's scum.
Not quite, but I explained it above. Also to answer your question from the post before the quoted, he is scummy for his responses after claiming scum.
Demonstrate how they are scummy please.
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So no trend, you are just making up stuff. Anecdotal evidence isn't very useful mon ami.
3 for 3 isn't a trend?
In catching people on my wagon, maybe. When Kahedron responds to my post, we'll judge whether your question was useful. It was not a gambit, gambits have inherent risks to them. My joke accidentally became a gambit.
But now that I'm risking my integrity going after someone that others may not believe is scum like I do, it has turned into a gambit.
Okay mom.
Don't take that tone with me, sonny.
Sure, my lynch won't be the worst thing in the world. The only real 'skill' I have that most of you don't is massive natural suspicion on Pinky and motivation not to mislynch her if she's town, or lose to her if she's scum.
Explain further, please.
Demonstrate how they are scummy please.
Okay.
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The beginning, claims scum.
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It wasn't a joke? I've been talking to Jo and Mephit, and it's day, so...
You try to implicate Jo and Mephit as your scumbuddies, which reads to me that you realized your misstep, or that your real scumbuddies did, and now you're trying to cause as much WIFOM as possible.
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People are taking this seriously?
You try to say we weren't supposed take it seriously at this point, which feels really scummy to me.
But now that I'm risking my integrity going after someone that others may not believe is scum like I do, it has turned into a gambit.
No, that's pushing an unpopular wagon. Different things.
Explain further, please.
I've played a few games with Pinky. In the three games I was scum against her, she called me scum correctly 100% of the time. Even a game I was only in for 4 hours, and didn't even post in. It was OOG related and she still got me.
When I was town she called me town correctly 100% of the time as well. So it would make me feel awful if I couldn't get one correct read on her. Plus if she's scum and sneaks by me, I'm going to be pissed.
The beginning, claims scum.
Nice catch.
You try to implicate Jo and Mephit as your scumbuddies, which reads to me that you realized your misstep, or that your real scumbuddies did, and now you're trying to cause as much WIFOM as possible.
I was continuing the joke, telling Kahedron that I am indeed very serious and picked two randoms out as my scumbuddies.
You try to say we weren't supposed take it seriously at this point, which feels really scummy to me.
All these feelings, and no proof. I feel like you a nightkill-immune miller vig. See how hard that was?
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No, that's pushing an unpopular wagon. Different things.
Whatever, it's just semantics at this point.
I've played a few games with Pinky. In the three games I was scum against her, she called me scum correctly 100% of the time. Even a game I was only in for 4 hours, and didn't even post in. It was OOG related and she still got me.
When I was town she called me town correctly 100% of the time as well. So it would make me feel awful if I couldn't get one correct read on her. Plus if she's scum and sneaks by me, I'm going to be pissed.
Okay, I see what you're talking about.
Nice catch.
Oh yeah.
I was continuing the joke, telling Kahedron that I am indeed very serious and picked two randoms out as my scumbuddies.
I just don't buy that. Why would town put up so much WIFOM?
All these feelings, and no proof. I feel like you a nightkill-immune miller vig. See how hard that was?
This is mafia, my friend. You've never got hard proof until the mod confirms.
I just don't buy that. Why would town put up so much WIFOM?
It wasn't WIFOM, it was a joke. That you took seriously.
This is mafia, my friend. You've never got hard proof until the mod confirms.
If you show two contradicting posts, or compare someone's actions to scummy actions, then you have relative proof. You are just riding on a feeling, you aren't even calling it language tells or anything. You are just saying you don't like it.
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Kahedron's relatively new. Do you really take that to be a scumslip?
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I just remember what WG is referring to.
Fluffy claimed scum at the start of the game and was scum and lynched for not just the sig but claiming.
I didn't take it seriously there so I can see where WG is coming from in regards to DX. Fluffy lurked after being called out and OMGUS on Iso after pages of people arguing about his actions.
Exactly, Fluffy obviously had some guilty conscience and cracked under pressure.
A lot of people say WG comes off strongly town in all of his games. I actually see the opposite, but I'm also probably terrible at this game.
I'm going to reread all of IUD's posts tomorrow, but going out for a 3am stroll right now.
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Can you explain what you mean by this? What are you implying? This is actually really important and not a joke.
That I found your first post jaw droppingly bad as it put a massive target slap bang between your shoulderblades. Then you compound the issue by responding to my query of whether it was a joke by continuing to act serious and name to other seemingly random players in the game, one who had not checked in since the game had started as your scum buddies who you were in conversation with, to dump yet more alochol on the table. Potentially leading to a mis-vig/mis-lynch if you are lynched and do flip scum as one of the 2 you have named gets shot in the face run up day 2.
Vaguely serious question do you have a penchant for Flambeau??
3AM stroll??? What breed of not normal are you??? How bad is the insomnia?
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@ Town: Any one else other than Burst and I getting the feeling that TFP is deliberately running a bad wagon just to see what drops off. Or am I letting my paranoia run off with me?
Kahedron/Iso was town that game. That's just Kahedron's regular manner of speaking.
That I found your first post jaw droppingly bad as it put a massive target slap bang between your shoulderblades. Then you compound the issue by responding to my query of whether it was a joke by continuing to act serious and name to other seemingly random players in the game, one who had not checked in since the game had started as your scum buddies who you were in conversation with, to dump yet more alochol on the table. Potentially leading to a mis-vig/mis-lynch if you are lynched and do flip scum as one of the 2 you have named gets shot in the face run up day 2.
Vaguely serious question do you have a penchant for Flambeau??
3AM stroll??? What breed of not normal are you??? How bad is the insomnia?
On reading the post DX made I had to spend quite some effort reattaching my jaw, and knew it had to be dealt with in some way and the logical thing to do was test it by lynching him. Then he made his second post...
Particular you say that I have to be lynched because it's logical, then I made my second post and...? Did you change your stance? Can you elaborate on this? It's the phrasing, I want to understand your mindset.
Don't know who/what Flambeau is.
It's not that bad insomnia, but I have irregular sleeping patterns. I'm going out in an hour to watch the sunrise and commuters to work, and a few hours after that I'll have been up for 24 hours.
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It's personally sad to me that I'm that obvious as scum and that obvious as town to you.
Kahedron could still be scum, just not for that reason.
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Particular you say that I have to be lynched because it's logical, then I made my second post and...? Did you change your stance? Can you elaborate on this? It's the phrasing, I want to understand your mindset.
Just that I was amazed that an answer was forthcomming and you compounded the issue by posting again reinforced that the issue needed to be dealt with and preferably quickly before it bogged down the whole game, but was not willing to chain any lynches after yours if you flipped foolish town. Though if you do flip town I was and am resigned to the fact I will catch a vig shot to the face for driving your wagon.
I'm gradually becoming less convinced of your scumishness but will leave the vote where it is pending a read of those games that Pinky linked to.
Don't know who/what Flambeau is.
Apparently its a kind of torch. That'll teach us for not attempting to spell out words I don't type regularly. I meant Flambe.
It's not that bad insomnia, but I have irregular sleeping patterns. I'm going out in an hour to watch the sunrise and commuters to work, and a few hours after that I'll have been up for 24 hours.
And I thought I had it bad when I went through a stint of waking up on the hour every hour for a couple of months
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@ Town I take it that this is not a normal scum strategy.
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Unvote, Vote DoubleX
Nope, but I succeeded didn't I?
I almost want to think that the scum gets a bonus somehow when DoubleX dies. In a Basic, though? That doesn't seem likely.
Vote DoubleX
I would like to hear from Mephit and jomafro. If they really are scum and DX just threw the game for kicks... Wow, that's a dick move.
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Still, I'm concerned. This is very confusing.
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Please read Supernatural mafia. Especially what happened to the Fluffy one.
I wasn't quite sure it was possible to dump more WIFOM into a game within the first 50 posts but somehow you have managed it.
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YOU CLAIMED SCUM. YES, WE'RE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.
At this point, I'd be willing to bet DX is scum. He claimed and said it was a joke to make people think he was town. Vote remains.
Though, I'm not suspicious of jomafro and Mephit anymore.
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If DX is scum, I'm guessing that Mephit and jomafro are not necessarily his scumbuddies. He realized that he'd be the focus of the day, and so he at least tried to get a day 2 mislynch out of it.
Everything you've said only makes sense from an overconfident scum mindset.
To be fair, didn't fluffyn00b legitimately have that in his signature since before that game?
The point remains, though: Don't claim scum.
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Exactly. DoubleX does not indicate the alignment of anyone else. Day 2 will be more or less the day 1 for this thread except down a scum and town, with possibly some scum investigated during the night.
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I'm going to put my disclaimer here. I don't vote unless I absolutely 100% think you are scum and/or to put pressure on someone so they claim. But the second thing screwed me over last game, so I'm probably not going to be doing it this game.
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We never managed to confirm that. Some people thought he pulled the same gag in Yanni's Pulp Fiction before that and was scum there so used it as corroboration.
Either way we need to clean up some of this spilled wine. More votes on DoubleX plz. Tomorrow can look after itself once that has been done.
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I found Jomafro town. Why would you ask others and not have an answer?
Seriously?
Apparently. Do I need to smack you like I smack Iso when he does (insert not a nice comment here).
Pfft. Fluffy had that in his sig before the game started and from a previous game. It was something Iso caught because he did it from another game.
Seriously?!!!
Why did you feel the need to tell people this?
So far I noted that jomafro used his own meta to find invent scummy.
This is a town tell in my book as I saw Yanni and others whom find players typically scummy based on their own play. Unlike what GigaRage did in Monster Island using his scum meta to clear someone.
I don't like Kah's questions. (1) He doesn't answer the questions himself and (2) why would he ask about a day chat? Then I note the first person to answer and he goes along with what is said.
Wheat comment at the start gives me a gut wrenching town read. I think in the back of my head if this is something I should worry about as I usually find him incredibly scummy.
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You can not really believe someone like Double whom I've seen manipulate people would do something as bad as claiming he's scum with day talk?
The question Wheat asked was bad. No person in their right mind is going to answer that and really be scum.
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Look at what you are saying! Scum has no way of knowing who are the PRs.
That's cool, mine was a joke. Check #53 when I flat out told Iso I was a daycop, then kept it up for a few pages until he got really pissy.
As a joke, if it wasn't obvious.
That's terrible reasoning. I said it as a joke, scum naming their buddies doesn't do squat because it's WIFOM, and I have no reason to if I'm really scum. I've played enough to know that.
No, just bored town. I was making a dry joke because your question towards scum was terrible.
I will and continue to claim scum when people ask questions to 'scum'.
Day 2 will be way different than a day 1, because you will have my awesome wagon to analyze (if I'm lynched). If I'm not lynched, I'll probably be the vigkill then.
This is a rather scummy thing to say, it enables scum to fencesit.
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DoubleX can be answering this as scum to try and paint himself as obvious town.
DoubleX can be answering this as town just trying to be comedic.
I'm suspicious of DoubleX right now, but it's not enough to warrant a vote.
What does make be extremely worried is how quickly Kahedron wants people to vote on DoubleX. Right now it really makes me believe that if DX is scum, Kahedron is town and vice versa.
Vote: Kahedron.
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Why are you suspicious of DoubleX?
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Granted, I am amazed that any one even acknowledged it let alone answered it. Unfortunatly it was and now we need to deal with its consequences.
Or we are both Town. Yes I am pushing the wagon after seeing what a similar situation did in Supernatural I am not sure how to get the game moving with out the DX situation resolved with out testing it by lynching him.
@ Pinky: the reason why I didn't answer my own question is I don't feel either Jomafro or ITU had anything to answer for. I was as I posted a way to completely kill RVS off. Shame it provoked what appears to be more silliness on a cosmic scale. Could you suggest any DX games in particular one should read to get a feel for him/ how likely he is to act in the manner he has?
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Because even though I think he is town, I still have a nagging gut feeling.
Judging by his answers I still think he was joking though.
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That's true. I also don't know who the scum is, and what game's they've played in the past. Maybe one of them knows you well enough to determine your alignment with relative ease?
That being said, the rest of the argument does fall apart fairly quickly. I'm keeping an eye on you, but I don't think you deserve a vote yet.
Unvote: DoubleX
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Still not happy with how you answered, but I can't be sure yet.
But hey, we're well and truly out of RVS!
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Super Mario World Double was scum here
">300 Mafia- Double town he replaced out during the game.
Monster Mafia Double Scum.
Usually Double is a bit more thoughtful when he is town and says a lot of what is on his mind. His play this game reminds me more of Iso when he did something bad and gets lynched because of it (see SWM as an example).
Why do you think he answered the question seriously?
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No I haven't spoken to DoubleX and I take that as a complete joke by him.
I actually don't have time to read thouroughly today (and yes I'm aware it's not that many posts). Will tomorrow. Nice to meet everyone, except the RVS which I just missed apparently:)
Oh crud...your invoking Iso. We must be in trouble.
At the moment I can't see any reason why anyone would acknowledge let alone answer the question WG put up in the thread.
On reading the post DX made I had to spend quite some effort reattaching my jaw, and knew it had to be dealt with in some way and the logical thing to do was test it by lynching him. Then he made his second post...
Thanks for the links to the other games will read them 2morrow or when N1 rolls round which ever is sooner providing we both are still here.
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Can you explain what you mean by this? What are you implying? This is actually really important and not a joke.
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Exactly what he expected us to think. You're also scum, by the way, remember Supernatural?
Luck is town.
Now that's true.
Yes but people claiming daycop are usually lying, where as people claiming scum are WIFOMing and usually are scum.
I have no doubts about your intent.
But why would you as town? This only makes sense from a scum mindset.
Indeed, I am perfectly aware how bad it was and it was meant mostly as a joke. But it was a joke with a barb in it, ready to watch the unwary scum. And it did.
God I hope not.
Right now you're the greatest lynch. Either way you flip, we get a lot of info on who's town and who's scum.
I'll agree to that though.
You can't really compare anyone to Iso. And anyway, this does not sound like the town DX I remember from Magic School Bus.
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I don't remember what Pinky did in that game, do tell. That being said, Pinky is too good of a player to not be NK'd in the first few days, at least from my experience. If she lasts a long time, I'll have to look at her for a very long time.
What statistics say that people who joke about being scum are usually scum? Or are you just making up trends?
Because boredom, and I've been feeling pretty narcissistic recently.
Yes, as scum I am very unwary. I fall for the silliest of silly gambits. Please don't get fussy just because I poked fun at your terrible joke.
Awkward.
Not when there is only 6 pages worth of posts. Let more rage from everyone else build. It's not tells from who are getting on and off my wagon, it's language tells.
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Are we really making this big of a deal out of a joke? To call for meta explanations and everything?
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Someone asked me why I posted what I posted earlier about not voting until I'm 100% sure. I'm incredibly indecisive person. In real life too. I often ask for two to three opinions before I take action. That's why I suck at this game, because me asking for advice is considering "fishing" and "fishing" is considered a scum tell.
That's why I signed up for this with a mentor, so I can get my thinking straight so I can be a better player at this game.
Make sense? Hope so...
I remember Fluffynoob whom had a sig that he had from a previous game being called out by Iso for claiming scum in his signature.
Your comparing that to what DX stated? Please tell how because I saw it as a gambit more.
Also Fluffy was scummy as **** despite his signature.
What makes DX scummy?
I asked. I don't find people fishing for being indecisive I find is scummy when people find a need to explain their actions before anyone ask.
Example would be DoubleX in Monster Mafia when he told people he won't be as active and gave a reason without anyone saying anything too him.
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Fluffy claimed scum at the start of the game and was scum and lynched for not just the sig but claiming.
I didn't take it seriously there so I can see where WG is coming from in regards to DX. Fluffy lurked after being called out and OMGUS on Iso after pages of people arguing about his actions.
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It was not what Pinky did, it was that he was in that game. What happened was that people were against lynching fluffyn00b until Iso battered everyone into doing it, and he came up scum. This also led to me correctly vigging kill-joy for his defense of fluffy. I am saying that Pinky is the kill-joy in this game.
Supernatural: Claimed scum flipped scum. I believe a game immediately before went the same way, but I have no evidence. Also me in Amnesia, though to be fair that was a gambit and I would not have normally.
:/ I do not accept this explanation.
The nice thing about silly gambits is that they still work sometimes, as shown here.
Please don't claim scum in other games. You'll cause yourself a lot of trouble, especially if you meet up with Iso.
I'm up for letting this day go on longer, I'm just saying at the end you will likely be the best lynch.
Not quite, but I explained it above. Also to answer your question from the post before the quoted, he is scummy for his responses after claiming scum.
So no trend, you are just making up stuff. Anecdotal evidence isn't very useful mon ami.
Okay.
In catching people on my wagon, maybe. When Kahedron responds to my post, we'll judge whether your question was useful. It was not a gambit, gambits have inherent risks to them. My joke accidentally became a gambit.
Okay mom.
Sure, my lynch won't be the worst thing in the world. The only real 'skill' I have that most of you don't is massive natural suspicion on Pinky and motivation not to mislynch her if she's town, or lose to her if she's scum.
Demonstrate how they are scummy please.
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3 for 3 isn't a trend?
But now that I'm risking my integrity going after someone that others may not believe is scum like I do, it has turned into a gambit.
Don't take that tone with me, sonny.
Explain further, please.
Okay.
The beginning, claims scum.
You try to implicate Jo and Mephit as your scumbuddies, which reads to me that you realized your misstep, or that your real scumbuddies did, and now you're trying to cause as much WIFOM as possible.
You try to say we weren't supposed take it seriously at this point, which feels really scummy to me.
No, that's pushing an unpopular wagon. Different things.
I've played a few games with Pinky. In the three games I was scum against her, she called me scum correctly 100% of the time. Even a game I was only in for 4 hours, and didn't even post in. It was OOG related and she still got me.
When I was town she called me town correctly 100% of the time as well. So it would make me feel awful if I couldn't get one correct read on her. Plus if she's scum and sneaks by me, I'm going to be pissed.
Nice catch.
I was continuing the joke, telling Kahedron that I am indeed very serious and picked two randoms out as my scumbuddies.
All these feelings, and no proof. I feel like you a nightkill-immune miller vig. See how hard that was?
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Whatever, it's just semantics at this point.
Okay, I see what you're talking about.
Oh yeah.
I just don't buy that. Why would town put up so much WIFOM?
This is mafia, my friend. You've never got hard proof until the mod confirms.
More tomorrow.
It wasn't WIFOM, it was a joke. That you took seriously.
If you show two contradicting posts, or compare someone's actions to scummy actions, then you have relative proof. You are just riding on a feeling, you aren't even calling it language tells or anything. You are just saying you don't like it.
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Unvote, vote Kahedron
Kahedron's relatively new. Do you really take that to be a scumslip?
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Exactly, Fluffy obviously had some guilty conscience and cracked under pressure.
A lot of people say WG comes off strongly town in all of his games. I actually see the opposite, but I'm also probably terrible at this game.
I'm going to reread all of IUD's posts tomorrow, but going out for a 3am stroll right now.
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That I found your first post jaw droppingly bad as it put a massive target slap bang between your shoulderblades. Then you compound the issue by responding to my query of whether it was a joke by continuing to act serious and name to other seemingly random players in the game, one who had not checked in since the game had started as your scum buddies who you were in conversation with, to dump yet more alochol on the table. Potentially leading to a mis-vig/mis-lynch if you are lynched and do flip scum as one of the 2 you have named gets shot in the face run up day 2.
Vaguely serious question do you have a penchant for Flambeau??
3AM stroll??? What breed of not normal are you??? How bad is the insomnia?
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Yes.
You planning on upping your word count at all Seppel?
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You are wrong:
Kahedron/Iso was town that game. That's just Kahedron's regular manner of speaking.
I have issues with:
Particular you say that I have to be lynched because it's logical, then I made my second post and...? Did you change your stance? Can you elaborate on this? It's the phrasing, I want to understand your mindset.
Don't know who/what Flambeau is.
It's not that bad insomnia, but I have irregular sleeping patterns. I'm going out in an hour to watch the sunrise and commuters to work, and a few hours after that I'll have been up for 24 hours.
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Unvote.
Kahedron could still be scum, just not for that reason.
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Just that I was amazed that an answer was forthcomming and you compounded the issue by posting again reinforced that the issue needed to be dealt with and preferably quickly before it bogged down the whole game, but was not willing to chain any lynches after yours if you flipped foolish town. Though if you do flip town I was and am resigned to the fact I will catch a vig shot to the face for driving your wagon.
I'm gradually becoming less convinced of your scumishness but will leave the vote where it is pending a read of those games that Pinky linked to.
Apparently its a kind of torch. That'll teach us for not attempting to spell out words I don't type regularly. I meant Flambe.
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