1. Each night each player must send a name of a player other than themselves they want to be the commander of Dragon Army. The player with the most votes will become the commander of Dragon Army and gains certain privileges the next day and night. 2. In an event of a tie vote, the current commander remains the commander. If neither of the tied people are commander, then the new commander is chosen at random from those among the tie. 3. If the commander chosen at night has been kicked out of Dragon Army before the beginning of the next day the runner-up will take his place. 4. Be careful as choosing the right commander can bring you a swift and certain victory, while choosing the wrong one can bring an equally swift and brutal defeat. 5. This is a semi open set-up. And by semi I mean everyone knows who each other is, so you won’t be able to mod the game based on flavor… like that was ever a smart thing to do with me in the first place (sans Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner references *whistles*). 6. Roles will be fully revealed at time of death. 7. The Town win condition is: Find the scum and kick them out of Dragon Army. If you are town, your PM will include the phrase “You are Town.”. 8. The Scum win condition is: Have control of at least 50% of the vote. If you are mafia it will be obvious by your PM that you are mafia. 9. There are no other win conditions and there are no win conditions in any PM.
10. If a person does not provide a vote in the night time provided in the interest of moving the game along they will vote a commander at random. Normal Rules (Probably should read them if different then what you are used to.):
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1. Bold your votes and unvotes please, this makes it easier for us. They should look like this: Vote kpaca (since it makes vote counting easier for me and I like magenta). 2. You don't need to unvote before you vote again. 3. Any votes or unvotes not in bold will not be counted. 4. Do not communicate at night or day unless your role PM says otherwise. 5. Omited due to not being needed. 6. I would prefer you Unvote before casting a new vote, but it is not necessary. 7. You may vote No lynch, and a majority of these votes will end the day without a death. 8. Please do not edit or delete your posts no matter how stupid a mistake you made. This will get you modkilled. This is your only warning. Also if you do somehow edit your posts, you are a better hacker than I. 9. Once you’re dead, you’re dead, so stop posting please. A single ‘bah’ post is permissible. 10. Even after you are dead, please refrain from discussing the game or your role with anyone, even other players who have also been eliminated. If you have any questions about this rule, please ask. 11. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 72-hour period, please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Otherwise, you may be prodded or replaced. 12. If you have a night choice to make, it is due by the posted deadline. I will not wait for you – if you do not submit a choice to me, tough! No choice will be made. 13. Lynches will require a simple majority of votes. Once a player has reached the necessary majority, his pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will go unheeded. 14. If you are requesting a mod prod or vote count, please bold and put it in magenta text you request so that we can see it more clearly. 15. In order to keep this game moving, everyone is expected to post at least once every two to three days and if you don't, you may be replaced or modkilled. WITHOUT WARNING, whatever your side.
16. In the event of a deadline, the person with the most votes will be lynched. If two or more people are tied for the majority, the first person to become the majority will be lynched. 19. HAVE FUN. This is not optional. 20. Lastly and most importantly. Respect us and the rest of the players and I hope I do not have to modkill anyone.
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8. Flew, Shen 9. pinkfloyd, Fly Molo 12. Sir Mu kpaca (1), Petra Arkanian
Ender entered the battle room, alone, like the orders he received told him. He was expecting that the teachers had finally cracked under their pressure to see him defeated and had decided that the only way they could do it was to send him into battle alone, without his army. But he was pleasantly surprised and somewhat shocked to see those that he considered his friends and Colonel Graff floating among the stars that littered the battle room.
“Ah, Ender, welcome.” Colonel Graff said pushing off from one of the stars and propelling himself towards Ender’s current position.
“What’s going on?” Ender asked still holding his Gun and prepared for any surprise assault.
“You don’t need to be so hostile Ender. Today’s battle is not going to be fought with guns.” Graff said as he passed through the gate and reoriented himself to the battle school’s artificial gravity. “Instead I have decided for one as skilled as you that continuing with these battle games serves no purpose.”
“So you are saying that you’ve run out of ways to stack the odds against me?” Ender said feeling somewhat defiant at Graff’s praise.
“So instead we have decided to give you a new test.” Graff said completely ignoring Ender. “One that will instead test your ability to adapt, weed out traitors, or even how to be a traitor...” Graff stopped and cleared his throat as he realized what he said. “So you’ll learn how traitors think of course. These are things that are essential for any commander. And so that you can’t claim that the teachers are stacking a new game against you, I decided that the first people you play this game with are the ones you know best.”
Graff walked into the battle room. "We are going to start this game now that you all have your assignments. Ender Wiggin (Nai) will be the commander for day 1 as is his right since he is the current commander of Dragon Army. Good Luck." With that Graff turned and left the room.
I'm sure this is just a trick. Something to buy them time to find new ways to stack the games. They don't seem to care about this one anymore.
Well, Graff doesn't seem to have left a hook around... But while we wait for the traitors to reveal themselves, we might as well get more practice again. Everyone line up on the south wall. It's time for some wall-drifting practice.
@Nai: Sorry man i dont think you are going to get much RP out of us, or at least not me, no what can you tell us about yourself to verify you are not scum considering Graff said you would get practice betraying people?
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Back to what I was saying before, Sep: yes, Egypt is in North Africa, but the name "Alai" is not an Egyptian name or indeed an Arab name at all. It's an Afghan name. So why does someone who's supposed to be "North African" have it? Ethnicity fail. I may as well vote the guy who has this troublesome name. vote: g_d.
Back on topic, I think we should all vote to retain Nai as commander tonight. If he starts the game as commander, I don't think his powers will be too strong if he is scum, so we're not risking too much, in my opinion. If strange stuff starts to happen we can obviously change that.
Look guys, I swear to god this is not a gambit, and I am dead serious. I'm vanilla town, but if I become commander I become vig. I say we make me commander day 1 when vigging is still useful.
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Sep: The same thing you can give the town to show that you're not the betrayer that I have to learn to fight against: absolutely nothing, given that the game has only started.
And c'mon, Battle School was my favorite part of Ender's Game. Half a book about a zero-grav Laser Tag. Command School was interesting, playing a hi-tech Gradius for a year, but there was little to no description of it. At least, compared to Battle School. I've been waiting for someone to turn those two parts of the book into an all-out game.
Look guys, I swear to god this is not a gambit, and I am dead serious. I'm vanilla town, but if I become commander I become vig. I say we make me commander day 1 when vigging is still useful.
Back on topic, I think we should all vote to retain Nai as commander tonight. If he starts the game as commander, I don't think his powers will be too strong if he is scum, so we're not risking too much, in my opinion. If strange stuff starts to happen we can obviously change that.
Where did you come up with the idea that he was commander by default? Am I missing it in the mod posts?
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Graff walked into the battle room. "Ender Wiggin (Nai) will be the commander for day 1 as is his right since he is the current commander of Dragon Army. Good Luck." With that Graff turned and left the room.
Yes he did.
The question I have is whether or not that makes Nai definitive town or not.
Also /confirm. Fly Molo is a cool guy. Eh remembers things and doesn't forget of anything.
And c'mon, Battle School was my favorite part of Ender's Game. Half a book about a zero-grav Laser Tag. Command School was interesting, playing a hi-tech Gradius for a year, but there was little to no description of it. At least, compared to Battle School. I've been waiting for someone to turn those two parts of the book into an all-out game.
Also /barn. That's why Ender's Game remains my favorite of all of them.
I don't see where anyone is getting that Nai is town. Zindabad's suggestion is not a good one. It's akin to suggesting we lynch our least experienced player since it'll be "least bad" if they end up town.
Vote AI. Absolutely zero reason to say "it's not worth our time" (since we have nothing else to discuss) except in order to look substantive.
If you think it's worth our time to speculate as to Nai's alignment in the absence of any behavioral tells, you are free to do so until you as blue in the face as one would expect from a man of Ice.
If you think it's worth our time to speculate as to Nai's alignment in the absence of any behavioral tells, you are free to do so until you as blue in the face as one would expect from a man of Ice.
..to use a humorously veiled ad hom, which you have.
BTW, I'm Bean. Bean is cooler than Ender, therefore I should be commander.
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Normally opposed to massclaims, but would massclaiming Commander-activated abilities be something worth considering here?
I would not suggest we do this. This being a Mini (aka a small "Specialty") that would mean giving away far too much information. It would definately be like a roadmap to the PR's. No thanks.
Normally opposed to massclaims, but would massclaiming Commander-activated abilities be something worth considering here?
Not this early.
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Oh, sorry. I forgot we were still in RVS. BRB 100 posts
What makes you believe we are still in RVS?
Also I've only played one game with kpaca and he made less than 5 posts there so I'm not sure if this is his style or not, but I don't like the way he's posting so far.
I would not suggest we do this. This being a Mini (aka a small "Specialty") that would mean giving away far too much information. It would definately be like a roadmap to the PR's. No thanks.
I believe (if Kpaca is as claimed) vanilla --> vig directly contradicts this.
You do realize that small phrase is a huge fishing statement, yes? Also, are you planning on gaming the set-up as well? If so, why?
Specify which phrase, answer my question that statement implied (you agree/disagree that kpaca's claim [that he willingly volunteered, mind you] contradicts your point on the matter), and no, I don't.
I think that if we put the most powerful commander ability in that position, without revealing our base protective roles, we stand to maximize that ability for the town's benefit.
@AsianI: On a scale of 1-10, how much gaming the Mod and the flavor do you -- A) Advocate, B) plan on doing this game? Because this is a lot.
Gaming the flavor is stupid. Gaming the mod is awesome. That said, no one should do it but me or possibly k-pain because we're familiar with Guard-san games.
Look here. It's really quite simple. There is no SK. If kpaca can demonstrate a kill, he is either vig or mafia with a bonus kill. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume the former. And this is kpaca, so he is obviously telling the truth. He never bluffs about this sort of thing, ever. So someone is dying N2. And it should be ganderin_dan. Because he is scum. Any questions?
Actually, scratch that, I'm going to let Nai make at least 3 more posts, as he will undoubtably incriminate himself within them. That way I have at least 3 posts to go on.
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Also AI: Kill flavor: I shoot the target with my gun and freeze them, thus removing them from the dragon army. I have no idea what the flavor of this game actually is so who knows how that fits in with it.
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Unique Game Rules:
1. Each night each player must send a name of a player other than themselves they want to be the commander of Dragon Army. The player with the most votes will become the commander of Dragon Army and gains certain privileges the next day and night.
2. In an event of a tie vote, the current commander remains the commander. If neither of the tied people are commander, then the new commander is chosen at random from those among the tie.
3. If the commander chosen at night has been kicked out of Dragon Army before the beginning of the next day the runner-up will take his place.
4. Be careful as choosing the right commander can bring you a swift and certain victory, while choosing the wrong one can bring an equally swift and brutal defeat.
5. This is a semi open set-up. And by semi I mean everyone knows who each other is, so you won’t be able to mod the game based on flavor… like that was ever a smart thing to do with me in the first place (sans Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner references *whistles*).
6. Roles will be fully revealed at time of death.
7. The Town win condition is: Find the scum and kick them out of Dragon Army. If you are town, your PM will include the phrase “You are Town.”.
8. The Scum win condition is: Have control of at least 50% of the vote. If you are mafia it will be obvious by your PM that you are mafia.
9. There are no other win conditions and there are no win conditions in any PM.
10. If a person does not provide a vote in the night time provided in the interest of moving the game along they will vote a commander at random.
Normal Rules (Probably should read them if different then what you are used to.):
Rules (Edited by Guardman, taken at point blank range from Ecophagy, pilfered from Loran, stolen from Some One, stolen from Stormblind, stolen from CropCircles, stolen from carrion pigeons, who stole them from loran16, who then stole them from SorryGuy, who retrieved them courteously from Xyre, who jacked them from Jobie, who stole them from Puzzle, but Puzzel stole them from Crippled_Fist, who stole them from Ljustus, who stole them from carrion pigeons, who copyrighted them from CropCircles, who first pirated them from Puzzle, who got them in a private message from Halo_Freak):
1. Bold your votes and unvotes please, this makes it easier for us. They should look like this: Vote kpaca (since it makes vote counting easier for me and I like magenta).
2. You don't need to unvote before you vote again.
3. Any votes or unvotes not in bold will not be counted.
4. Do not communicate at night or day unless your role PM says otherwise.
5. Omited due to not being needed.
6. I would prefer you Unvote before casting a new vote, but it is not necessary.
7. You may vote No lynch, and a majority of these votes will end the day without a death.
8. Please do not edit or delete your posts no matter how stupid a mistake you made. This will get you modkilled. This is your only warning. Also if you do somehow edit your posts, you are a better hacker than I.
9. Once you’re dead, you’re dead, so stop posting please. A single ‘bah’ post is permissible.
10. Even after you are dead, please refrain from discussing the game or your role with anyone, even other players who have also been eliminated. If you have any questions about this rule, please ask.
11. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 72-hour period, please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Otherwise, you may be prodded or replaced.
12. If you have a night choice to make, it is due by the posted deadline. I will not wait for you – if you do not submit a choice to me, tough! No choice will be made.
13. Lynches will require a simple majority of votes. Once a player has reached the necessary majority, his pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will go unheeded.
14. If you are requesting a mod prod or vote count, please bold and put it in magenta text you request so that we can see it more clearly.
15. In order to keep this game moving, everyone is expected to post at least once every two to three days and if you don't, you may be replaced or modkilled. WITHOUT WARNING, whatever your side.
16. In the event of a deadline, the person with the most votes will be lynched. If two or more people are tied for the majority, the first person to become the majority will be lynched.
19. HAVE FUN. This is not optional.
20. Lastly and most importantly. Respect us and the rest of the players and I hope I do not have to modkill anyone.
8. Flew, Shen
9. pinkfloyd, Fly Molo
12. Sir Mu
kpaca (1), Petra ArkanianKicked out of Dragon Army (9):
11. TheIceMan, Dumper - Kicked out of Dragon Army Night 1
3. Nai, Ender Wiggin - Kicked out of Dragon Army Day 2
5. Sepiriel, Carn Carby - Kicked out of Dragon Army Night 2
7. zindabad, Hot Soup - Kicked out of Dragon Army Day 3
1. Infinis, Vlad - Kicked out of Dragon Army Day 3
4. DRey, Dink Meeker - Kicked out of Dragon Army Day 4
10. ganderin_dan, Alai - Kicked out of Dragon Army Night 4
2. Artifice 101, Bean
Replacements for those that can't take the pressure (1):
1. Prophylaxis
“Ah, Ender, welcome.” Colonel Graff said pushing off from one of the stars and propelling himself towards Ender’s current position.
“What’s going on?” Ender asked still holding his Gun and prepared for any surprise assault.
“You don’t need to be so hostile Ender. Today’s battle is not going to be fought with guns.” Graff said as he passed through the gate and reoriented himself to the battle school’s artificial gravity. “Instead I have decided for one as skilled as you that continuing with these battle games serves no purpose.”
“So you are saying that you’ve run out of ways to stack the odds against me?” Ender said feeling somewhat defiant at Graff’s praise.
“So instead we have decided to give you a new test.” Graff said completely ignoring Ender. “One that will instead test your ability to adapt, weed out traitors, or even how to be a traitor...” Graff stopped and cleared his throat as he realized what he said. “So you’ll learn how traitors think of course. These are things that are essential for any commander. And so that you can’t claim that the teachers are stacking a new game against you, I decided that the first people you play this game with are the ones you know best.”
Confirm in thread. Day 1 has started.
*vote someone randomly, unvote someone randomly*
Blah blah.
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Well, Graff doesn't seem to have left a hook around... But while we wait for the traitors to reveal themselves, we might as well get more practice again. Everyone line up on the south wall. It's time for some wall-drifting practice.
My helpdesk should you need me.
Vote Artifice
Let the tunneling begin!!!!!
@Nai: Sorry man i dont think you are going to get much RP out of us, or at least not me, no what can you tell us about yourself to verify you are not scum considering Graff said you would get practice betraying people?
Glad to see you, too
Oh and for reference: I haven't read past Speaker, so no one spoil my character's future for me, ok?
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Back on topic, I think we should all vote to retain Nai as commander tonight. If he starts the game as commander, I don't think his powers will be too strong if he is scum, so we're not risking too much, in my opinion. If strange stuff starts to happen we can obviously change that.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Look guys, I swear to god this is not a gambit, and I am dead serious. I'm vanilla town, but if I become commander I become vig. I say we make me commander day 1 when vigging is still useful.
[The Family] pressed the "lynch" button, thinking it was labeled "lunch" .
And c'mon, Battle School was my favorite part of Ender's Game. Half a book about a zero-grav Laser Tag. Command School was interesting, playing a hi-tech Gradius for a year, but there was little to no description of it. At least, compared to Battle School. I've been waiting for someone to turn those two parts of the book into an all-out game.
My helpdesk should you need me.
vote: Nai
Plan to vote for commander: kpaca
Who's ready for day 2?
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Yes he did.
The question I have is whether or not that makes Nai definitive town or not.
Also /confirm. Fly Molo is a cool guy. Eh remembers things and doesn't forget of anything.
Also /barn. That's why Ender's Game remains my favorite of all of them.
Guardman probably did that on purpose.
I'll vote you for Commander if you paraphrase your flavor.
Nai is probably town, with emphasis on "probably." It's certainly not worth our time to argue either way about it without some more posts from him.
I don't see where anyone is getting that Nai is town. Zindabad's suggestion is not a good one. It's akin to suggesting we lynch our least experienced player since it'll be "least bad" if they end up town.
Vote AI. Absolutely zero reason to say "it's not worth our time" (since we have nothing else to discuss) except in order to look substantive.
If you think it's worth our time to speculate as to Nai's alignment in the absence of any behavioral tells, you are free to do so until you as blue in the face as one would expect from a man of Ice.
BTW, I'm Bean. Bean is cooler than Ender, therefore I should be commander.
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You seem very... ready to believe him. Any particular reason why?
Agreed.
Explain how we shouldn't wait to see more than 2 of Nai's posts before making an assumption on his town status.
I don't think either are a big deal, but if you were gonna claim one to confirm towniness, I'd assume flavor would be the best choice.
Normally opposed to massclaims, but would massclaiming Commander-activated abilities be something worth considering here?
It's not a case of whether we should or should not be speculating, it the use of the phrase "it's not worth our time" that I don't like.
What you are doing right now is not worth our time!
What specifically erks you about that phrasing, TIM?
Either/or.
Because he is kpaca and therefore I worship the ground he walks upon. C'mon, this is beginner stuff.
No thanks, scum.
Obv.
Vote ganderin_dan
Elaborate, please?
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If you are not lynched today, I hope kpaca vigs you at the first available opportunity.
I just remember that kpaca was also the vig in Guardman's last mini. I sense shenanigans...
Not this early.
What makes you believe we are still in RVS?
Also I've only played one game with kpaca and he made less than 5 posts there so I'm not sure if this is his style or not, but I don't like the way he's posting so far.
I believe (if Kpaca is as claimed) vanilla --> vig directly contradicts this.
Two.
Three.
Now I have to ask:
@AsianI: On a scale of 1-10, how much gaming the Mod and the flavor do you -- A) Advocate, B) plan on doing this game? Because this is a lot.
EWP:
You do realize that small phrase is a huge fishing statement, yes? Also, are you planning on gaming the set-up as well? If so, why?
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Specify which phrase, answer my question that statement implied (you agree/disagree that kpaca's claim [that he willingly volunteered, mind you] contradicts your point on the matter), and no, I don't.
I think that if we put the most powerful commander ability in that position, without revealing our base protective roles, we stand to maximize that ability for the town's benefit.
This was directed at Artifice101
Gaming the flavor is stupid. Gaming the mod is awesome. That said, no one should do it but me or possibly k-pain because we're familiar with Guard-san games.
Look here. It's really quite simple. There is no SK. If kpaca can demonstrate a kill, he is either vig or mafia with a bonus kill. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume the former. And this is kpaca, so he is obviously telling the truth. He never bluffs about this sort of thing, ever. So someone is dying N2. And it should be ganderin_dan. Because he is scum. Any questions?
EWP: Why Nai bad guy?
YESYESYES
Wheatgrinder, AI's random kissing of kpaca's feet is a RVS-type expression
Almost.
Let's just say that I am 100% sure of what I am doing, and so far it is going as planned.
P.S. Y SO SRS?
Also AI: Kill flavor: I shoot the target with my gun and freeze them, thus removing them from the dragon army. I have no idea what the flavor of this game actually is so who knows how that fits in with it.
Why so active, kpaca?