Iso, why do you think it's best for the town to massclaim early?
Two reasons.
The first is so that I can use my ability the most efficiently.
The second is that if we know what roles each person is, we know their alignment. It would save me a lot of time on my finding every instance Cyan has said something is impossible if I just knew what keywords to look for on ability; Let me provide you with a completely made up example: "Cyan once said that it was impossible for a mafia team to have a person who has a daykill every day." So if we see somebody claim the aforementioned role, we know it's a mafia role. Get it?
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Only reason you caught me in that game was because I botched my claim AND my counterclaim.
Anyway, I have a scheme that should inevitably result in the town's victory. And yes, it involves the setup being completely present in various posts on the site.
I can single-handedly lock down the scum team, both in what they can do, and in who they are if we have a massclaim today.
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Anyway, I have a scheme that should inevitably result in the town's victory. And yes, it involves the setup being completely present in various posts on the site.
You have 3 bodies to lend credence to your plan. Show the posts where Some One, Arcadic and iLord's roles were laid out already, and maybe we'll agree to it.
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Post #1068 of Cartoon Mafia mentions someone agreeing to be Daykilled would be impossible as scum.
Continuing my search.
If you're going to go back 5 years to try and find something, a link at least would be nice. The 'relevant' part is at the end of the post and quoted here:
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I think I've done what I can to show my townliness. I stated that I would accept being daykilled if CP could explain how it would prove anything(which he never did). I had no way of knowing that Az was a 1-Shot daykill. I'm fairly confident that I'd be dead now if he had another shot. I don't really see how that meshes with the idea that I'm scum.
But where in this game did Some One agree to be daykilled to prove his towniness? He said that he'd messed up and would accept being the Day 1 lynch because of it. Daykilling wasn't anywhere on the table until you offhandedly brought it up in post #490 (right after the PM's from Seppel went out based on the timestamps.) and he was dead the very next post.
Oh yeah, Cyan's role in Cartoon Mafia? Town Inventor. I don't see the words Miller, Unkillable, Unlynchable or Vigilante in that role.
But where in this game did Some One agree to be daykilled to prove his towniness?
His role offered us the chance to daykill him. It wasn't his specific doing that offered us the chance to kill him. It was the game mechanic. The point is that we were presented with an opportunity to daykill somebody that was brought about through SOMETHING (his role ability), and Cyan said that if someone were offering (in this case, through his role) to be daykilled, it was impossible for them to be mafia.
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Oh yeah, Cyan's role in Cartoon Mafia? Town Inventor. I don't see the words Miller, Unkillable, Unlynchable or Vigilante in that role.
Okay, so typically I don't resort to ad hom, so I do apologize, but are you ****ing stupid? Pull your ****ing head out of your ass, Tilde. I said that EVERY INSTANCE OF ROLES IN THIS GAME WERE QUOTES OF CYAN SAYING SOMETHING IS IMPOSSIBLE. I did NOT say that they were Cyan's own roles in games where he said something was impossible. For what it's worth, I've found part of my own role laying around in a mass of Cyan quotes. So are you going to continue to smear and discredit me because you know I've got this game broken open or are you going to give up the REAL reason for why you're so against the massclaim? Cyan's quotes LITERALLY tell us the alignment of a player, stating that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for X ability to be of Y faction, due to Z.
If I don't place a vote in my first post of the day, I can't vote.
Like this, for example? I'm sure Cyan has said "That's impossible!" to this possibility somewhere along the lines. I'm considering the possibility that roles like this (and the JoaT one, because of flavor) are actually reflective of Cyan's playstyle or personality, but I've seen so many roles in my research that Cyan has said are impossible, that I'd be willing to bet that that is only the case very minimally and that WoD has another ability he's not telling us. No, I'm not asking what it is until we massclaim.
Anyway, point is, the evidence is all right here, and any further push against a massclaim is proof of an anti-town mindset.
Oh, one more cool thing:
We can tell if someone is lying about their ability if Cyan has never said anything about it, thus they = auto-scum.
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The roles we have are scattered throughout Cyan quotes. Some of them are composed of more than one at a time.
That sounds like paranoia. If they are just scattered anywhere that means anything in this game is possible or someone claims something that is only partial found gets suspicion on them.
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Despite being no reveal, all of the scum's alignments will be revealed when they die. I think we can all agree that this is so unlikely as to be almost impossible.
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The roles we have are scattered throughout Cyan quotes. Some of them are composed of more than one at a time.
Mmmmhmmmm. So your assertion is that our roles are composed of multiple quotes from Cyan that he has declared as "impossible".
For example, take Some One - Miller Vigilante is pretty normal. So, by your theory, the impossible parts would probably be "unlynchable" and "unkillable".
That would mean there's a Cyan quote somewhere to the effect of "an unlynchable role is impossible."
Hate to break it to you, but take a look at Cyan's role from Joss Whedon.
Each night, you may PM me the name of a player in this game. You will then seek them and out and end their existence.
Additionally, as long as Topher Brink remains alive in this game, you cannot be lynched. After all, there are so many other imprints he could merely plug back into you.
If you reach the number of votes required for a lynch, the day will simply continue as if nothing happened (provided Topher is still breathing).
You win the game when: You are the last player standing.
So an unlynchable role would be QUITE POSSIBLE in Cyan's mind, since he's been one.
You are missing the point. Stop being intentionally stupid.
Look. It matters not whether he's actually HAD the role. The game is focused on what he has SAID is possible. In addition, you're discounting the most probable scenario: That Cyan once said that someone was Unlynchable AND Unkillable in the SAME ROLE was impossible. Hell, it's possible that he even said it was impossible that they were Unlynchable, Unkillable, AND could be killed anyway. Occam's Razor. Use it.
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Look. It matters not whether he's actually HAD the role. The game is focused on what he has SAID is possible. In addition, you're discounting the most probable scenario: That Cyan once said that someone was Unlynchable AND Unkillable in the SAME ROLE was impossible. Hell, it's possible that he even said it was impossible that they were Unlynchable, Unkillable, AND could be killed anyway. Occam's Razor. Use it.
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Keywords - "impossible", "unlynchable" - 1 result
Keywords - "impossible", "unkillable" - 1 result in mafia forums, the other in a retired clan thread regarding a card design.
Keywords - "unkillable", "unlynchable" - no results.
And it never occurred to you that he phrased it differently? "It is not possible", "it is highly improbable", "it is very unlikely", etc.? This is why I have to do an in-depth search of every damn Cyan post on this board for this to be successful.
So are you done pissing in the ocean, Tilde, or are you going to start off the massclaim?
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And it never occurred to you that he phrased it differently? "It is not possible", "it is highly improbable", "it is very unlikely", etc.? This is why I have to do an in-depth search of every damn Cyan post on this board for this to be successful.
So are you done pissing in the ocean, Tilde, or are you going to start off the massclaim?
I think Tilde is trying to say that on his search he didn't see anything exact. What I'm hearing in all this is taking words that Cyan said was impossible and trying to find someone that is lying.
That is a big puzzle to over come and again I'm thinking more likely WIFOM.
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Um, it's not gonna be difficult to figure out who's lying and who's not when Cyan SPECIFICALLY states what roles are of what alignment. pinky, if I can guarantee to you that I can find almost everybody's roles in Cyan posts, and by direct extension, their alignments, as well as severely hamper what the scum can do through the massclaim not only by town agreeing on what actions can be taken as well as my own ability, what possible reason could Tilde have for not supporting the massclaim?
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Honestly, if this game is that easily broken, I will be incredibly surprised.
Especially given we already have someone with a PR that could only post Cyan quotes, making it incredibly likely that he'd discover such a thing if it existed.
I'd like to see how the other two bodies, and ganderin_dan, fit into your massive modgaming.
Especially given we already have someone with a PR that could only post Cyan quotes, making it incredibly likely that he'd discover such a thing if it existed.
Maybe that's what Seppel was hoping.
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I'd like to see how the other two bodies, and ganderin_dan, fit into your massive modgaming.
If people would lend enough credence to my theory, then perhaps I would be more motivated to look for them.
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EBWODP: I actually asked our illustrious mod before the game began, and he confirmed that all roles in Cyan's Impossible Mafia are present on MTGS via Cyanquotes.
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If people would lend enough credence to my theory, then perhaps I would be more motivated to look for them.
I don't think Seppel was hoping G_d would break the game. Find a hint, maybe. Also, if I can remember correctly, Cyan has ~72 games. A very low estimate puts that at around 7200 posts. I don't expect you to be able to find the roles, and furthermore, I don't expect roles to be spelled out quite so nice. The fact you have not found one would explain this, you instead have found some pieces.
Also, Iso you keep referencing old games, I don't ever remember you being so arrogant in any of them. Maybe I forgot, but this is certainly appearing to me to be a new level for you. Which is one reason that I have been so keen on you.
@pinky Iso is my top suspect, because of the arrogance mentioned above, calling for a massclaim this early (seriously, this is not the time).
Eco is next, though distant. I don't like the end of D1, or his explanations for it.
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I don't think Seppel was hoping G_d would break the game. Find a hint, maybe. Also, if I can remember correctly, Cyan has ~72 games. A very low estimate puts that at around 7200 posts. I don't expect you to be able to find the roles, and furthermore, I don't expect roles to be spelled out quite so nice. The fact you have not found one would explain this, you instead have found some pieces.
You are forgetting that Cyan likes to comment on a lot of games afterwards. So I would need to look in other places as well.
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Also, Iso you keep referencing old games, I don't ever remember you being so arrogant in any of them. Maybe I forgot, but this is certainly appearing to me to be a new level for you. Which is one reason that I have been so keen on you.
Considering we've been in, what, one game together before? And it was my first game? I wouldn't expect you to be used to my style of play.
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@pinky Iso is my top suspect, because of the arrogance mentioned above, calling for a massclaim this early (seriously, this is not the time).
Can you point to a game I've been in where I haven't been arrogant after my first game?
I have explained exactly why I am for a massclaim and why it can only be perceived as a pro-town action, and the only reason I can see that you would be unwilling to support the massclaim is if you are scum.
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@Syrenz: Seriously? I was never, *ever* going to be able to claim 'miller Vig' and have it be believed. I would have had to include the unlynchable part. And like I said already, I saw no need to provide anything more than that, initially. It was always my intention to eventually tell everyone that I was the vig(today I mean).
I would believe in the existence of a miller/conditionally unlynchable Vig, especially given how many Vanillas the town has, before I would accept the existence of no Vig.
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That's not impossible, by Cyan's words. Cyan's said he'd believe in that versus believing in there not being a Vig. You cannot use that as proof.
And if you were more motivated in looking for them, people might lend credence to your theory. I, for one, am not interested in any theory without proof to back it up.
I have proof. I have mod confirmation. And how much do you wanna bet that Cyan stated afterwards in that game that his claimed role was impossible? He stated that bit IN THE GAME, and he was an SK, so of course he was lying.
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Also, what are the odds that Cyan would claim something that LATER WOUND UP IN CYAN'S IMPOSSIBLE MAFIA if my theory didn't have any basis? Point is, whether he LITERALLY SAID it was impossible or not is not relevant, because it's in a Cyan quote on the site, which means I can find it and see what he said about its alignment.
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EBWODP: I actually asked our illustrious mod before the game began, and he confirmed that all roles in Cyan's Impossible Mafia are present on MTGS via Cyanquotes.
I find it odd that you made no mention of this before, and are now repeating it a lot.
I have proof. I have mod confirmation. And how much do you wanna bet that Cyan stated afterwards in that game that his claimed role was impossible? He stated that bit IN THE GAME, and he was an SK, so of course he was lying.
He was already lynched. He wasn't bothering anymore.
And I'm still not seeing why this means we should massclaim.
Also, what are the odds that Cyan would claim something that LATER WOUND UP IN CYAN'S IMPOSSIBLE MAFIA if my theory didn't have any basis? Point is, whether he LITERALLY SAID it was impossible or not is not relevant, because it's in a Cyan quote on the site, which means I can find it and see what he said about its alignment.
So, you're arguing that the role he claimed (which happened to be true, minus the alignment) was something he later claimed to be impossible?
Also, false causality. You're connecting two completely unrelated things. You were arguing it was "stuff Cyan said was impossible", not "random things Cyan claimed".
He was already lynched. He wasn't bothering anymore.
And I'm still not seeing why this means we should massclaim.
Because Cyan states alignments with roles.
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So, you're arguing that the role he claimed (which happened to be true, minus the alignment) was something he later claimed to be impossible?
...he was a conditionally unlynchable SSK. BIG difference from an unlynchable miller vig. Why are you blatantly lying? Or are you just so eager to dismiss my theory that you didn't read?
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Also, false causality. You're connecting two completely unrelated things. You were arguing it was "stuff Cyan said was impossible", not "random things Cyan claimed".
.-. So you're going to ignore the fact that I can have the game won for the town within a matter of days if we massclaim? Why?
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Read: minus the alignment. Hint: he claimed his role, with the alignment changed (and miller added) to try and make himself look town. Plus, that also happens to be irrelevant. And you're avoiding the fact that nowhere did he state that the role he claimed was impossible - actually, just the opposite, given your quote states that he'd believe that (his claim) over there being no Vig.
Fact is: your massclaim has absolutely nothing to base it on. And there's the fact that you're just assuming that Seppel's going to make the game easy as hell to break open by making the role's alignment that of the quote. Which would make it easy as hell to find scum whenever they claimed. That AND they can't claim something else because then it's obvious they're falseclaiming.
Your whole massclaim pretty much relies on the scum being given an instant "WE LOSE" button, with a town being given a PR that pretty much places them right next to said button.
The alignment was implied town, that should be a huge ****ing duh..
Once again, of course he would SAY that he believed that AT THAT STAGE IN THE GAME.
Once again, Seppel said that the game was breakable by tracking down Cyan quotes. So yes, he did make it that easy. It's like having an open setup, just not telling you beforehand which roles are present. Which is where the research comes into play.
Once again, can you come up with an explanation for how such a COINCIDENTAL PHRASING OF ROLE would be present in THIS game if there weren't a basis for it from the specific quotes that I have located by Cyan?
The longer we stall with the massclaim, the longer the scum has to find a safe role to falsely claim among the Cyan quotes, guys.
Your whole massclaim pretty much relies on the scum being given an instant "WE LOSE" button, with a town being given a PR that pretty much places them right next to said button.
Um, yeah. The evidence is RIGHT IN YOUR FACE.
@Mod: Can you confirm, in-thread, that all roles of this game are composed from quotes of Cyan on MTGS?
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So I asked Seppel to confirm or deny Iso's question, which he blatantly refused to do - the answer I got amounted to "perhaps", when I asked if any or all of the roles in this setup can be found wtihin Cyan's posts.
Furthermore, before I asked said question, I got a PM saying that someone tried to remove an ability that I don't have.
So we're going to lynch Iso today, because that's why he wants a mass claim. His role can eliminate known aspects of a player's role, and THATS WHY HE WANTS US ALL TO CLAIM BEFORE HIM.
That must be what he used on GanDan, because of his obvious Post restriction.
I don't know what the hell he thought I could do, but either way, he needs to die. I cannot see any use for a role like that on a townie.
I'd vote for Iso right now, if only I'd known what I know now at the start of the Day.
That's how he knew Arcadic was town, despite all evidence to the contrary, and that's why he's so gay for a mass claim.
EBWODP: I actually asked our illustrious mod before the game began, and he confirmed that all roles in Cyan's Impossible Mafia are present on MTGS via Cyanquotes.
Note the word all in this sentence. This is where your theory is flaw. If all roles are Cyan's quotes then mass claiming doesn't help.
Also if your saying that Cyan implies a role claim is town vs scum then your leaving people to be paranoid over a role claim that could be town.
Example: Would you really believe someone claiming unlynchable, unkillable, miller was town?
I don't think Seppel was hoping G_d would break the game. Find a hint, maybe. Also, if I can remember correctly, Cyan has ~72 games. A very low estimate puts that at around 7200 posts. I don't expect you to be able to find the roles, and furthermore, I don't expect roles to be spelled out quite so nice. The fact you have not found one would explain this, you instead have found some pieces.
Also, Iso you keep referencing old games, I don't ever remember you being so arrogant in any of them. Maybe I forgot, but this is certainly appearing to me to be a new level for you. Which is one reason that I have been so keen on you.
@pinky Iso is my top suspect, because of the arrogance mentioned above, calling for a massclaim this early (seriously, this is not the time).
Eco is next, though distant. I don't like the end of D1, or his explanations for it.
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Arrogance is not scummy. Arrogance at best is annoying. I would like those details further from you.
So I asked Seppel to confirm or deny Iso's question, which he blatantly refused to do - the answer I got amounted to "perhaps", when I asked if any or all of the roles in this setup can be found wtihin Cyan's posts.
Furthermore, before I asked said question, I got a PM saying that someone tried to remove an ability that I don't have.
So we're going to lynch Iso today, because that's why he wants a mass claim. His role can eliminate known aspects of a player's role, and THATS WHY HE WANTS US ALL TO CLAIM BEFORE HIM.
That must be what he used on GanDan, because of his obvious Post restriction.
I don't know what the hell he thought I could do, but either way, he needs to die. I cannot see any use for a role like that on a townie.
I'd vote for Iso right now, if only I'd known what I know now at the start of the Day.
That's how he knew Arcadic was town, despite all evidence to the contrary, and that's why he's so gay for a mass claim.
Huge, massive, FOS ISO
LYNCH HIM.
DO IT.
This concerns me. I have not received a PM..........WoD why did you fos Iso?
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This concerns me. I have not received a PM..........WoD why did you fos Iso?
If it's a targeted ability then only the target would get a PM. WoD can't change his initial vote, so FOS is the best he can do.
The ability described (would you call it a "role daykiller"?) makes a hell of a lot of sense. Pretty sure WoD wouldn't pull something like this as a gambit.
Iso wouldn't try to target ME with it because I'm too obvious a target I guess...
If it's a targeted ability then only the target would get a PM. WoD can't change his initial vote, so FOS is the best he can do.
The ability described (would you call it a "role daykiller"?) makes a hell of a lot of sense. Pretty sure WoD wouldn't pull something like this as a gambit.
Iso wouldn't try to target ME with it because I'm too obvious a target I guess...
Wrath? Can you paraphrase the PM you got?
I must be losing it because I don't see where WoD say he can't change his vote?
Being sick right now doesn't help either right now.
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Furthermore, before I asked said question, I got a PM saying that someone tried to remove an ability that I don't have.
Woah, woah, woah.
Hold the ****ing phone.
WoD, I tried to remove your voting restriction. So why did you lie about your voting restriction? Moreover, why would you want to lynch me for attempting to give you voting mobility?
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So we're going to lynch Iso today, because that's why he wants a mass claim. His role can eliminate known aspects of a player's role, and THATS WHY HE WANTS US ALL TO CLAIM BEFORE HIM.
Ding ding, we have a winner. If a player claims any aspect of their ability in-thread, I can quote it, say, "That's impossible!" in bold to it, and that part of their ability is removed. I also have a 50% chance to receive a Cop result if I successfully remove an ability from that player.
On that note, Unvote, Vote WoD
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I don't know what the hell he thought I could do, but either way, he needs to die. I cannot see any use for a role like that on a townie.
How about the aspect of my ability you didn't figure out?
On that note, how about to remove g_d's PR? Or your voting restriction which you apparently lied about?
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I'd vote for Iso right now, if only I'd known what I know now at the start of the Day.
WoD may as well have just admitted to being scum.
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That's how he knew Arcadic was town, despite all evidence to the contrary, and that's why he's so gay for a mass claim.
No, I knew Arcadic was town because I recognized his town behavior. However, yes, you are correct, that is half of why I want a massclaim. But now that you've gone and done possibly the most anti-town thing you could do in this game, you need to get lynched.
Note the word all in this sentence. This is where your theory is flaw. If all roles are Cyan's quotes then mass claiming doesn't help. Also if your saying that Cyan implies a role claim is town vs scum then your leaving people to be paranoid over a role claim that could be town. Example: Would you really believe someone claiming unlynchable, unkillable, miller was town?
Yes, as Cyan claimed it and it was implied that he was claiming it to be town in the game that he claimed it in.
If it's a targeted ability then only the target would get a PM. WoD can't change his initial vote, so FOS is the best he can do.
WRONG
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The ability described (would you call it a "role daykiller"?) makes a hell of a lot of sense. Pretty sure WoD wouldn't pull something like this as a gambit.
Pretty sure he WOULD.
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Iso wouldn't try to target ME with it because I'm too obvious a target I guess...
If I knew your role, believe me, I would remove it in a heartbeat.
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Wrath? Can you paraphrase the PM you got?
Why didn't you push for gan_dan's PM that he got when I removed his PR?
I must be losing it because I don't see where WoD say he can't change his vote?
Being sick right now doesn't help either right now.
Let me make it very clear to everyone what just happened.
Wrath_of_DoG claimed to be unable to vote, except in the first post of the Day, and unable to change that vote.
I used my ability to remove that voting restriction.
He said that Seppel sent him a PM telling him that someone tried to remove an ability he doesn't have.
My ability removes any aspect of a player's ability that I choose that they claim in-thread. I just have to quote it, and in bold, say, "That's impossible!"
In addition, if I successfully remove an ability, there's a 50% chance that I will learn the player's alignment. That's how I know g_d is town.
WoD just slipped up because he admitted to lying about his vote restriction. That's as good as a scum confession to me.
Current houghts on scum team:
Tilde
Anak
WoD
The fact that WoD jumped on Eco at the beginning of the day is pretty clearing of Eco, IMO. And the bull**** wagon against Arcadic. WoD has conveniently decided to "ignore" me most of the game until he realized that I was a threat to the scum. Now that the effectiveness of my ability has been neutralized, however, I cannot effectively limit their actions, which kind of pisses me off.
Anyway, WoD's actions have clearly shown him lying, and he just slipped up majorly.
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Ding ding, we have a winner. If a player claims any aspect of their ability in-thread, I can quote it, say, "That's impossible!" in bold to it, and that part of their ability is removed. I also have a 50% chance to receive a Cop result if I successfully remove an ability from that player.
First, that role means you can selectively vanillasize everyone who claims, leaving you in control of every power role in this game.
Second, presumably you have to PM Seppel a quote of the player claiming the aspect of their role and add "That's impossible!" to it to remove that bit of their role.
So how does "!" = "cannot post except in Cyanquotes"?
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Why didn't you push for gan_dan's PM that he got when I removed his PR?
Because -
a) GD explained what his PR was almost immediately
If, hypothetically speaking, Some One got killed, who would your second lynch choice be?
Consider the timestamps between this post and the "Daykill Some One" PM's we got. Think it's pretty clear Iso removed Some One's "unkillable" power, which he NEVER CLAIMED.
First, that role means you can selectively vanillasize everyone who claims, leaving you in control of every power role in this game.
And it never occurred to you that after I claimed I was going to take a vote on what abilities the town decided were too dangerous to keep unchecked?
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Second, presumably you have to PM Seppel a quote of the player claiming the aspect of their role and add "That's impossible!" to it to remove that bit of their role.
So how does "!" = "cannot post except in Cyanquotes"?
No, I have to state it IN THREAD, exactly as I said, and I advise you learn how to read. "!" = "cannot post except in Cyanquotes" when I asked him to quote my statement and use the "yes, that's what I was trying to say!" (or whatever the quote was) to indicate that's what he was claiming. Did you never wonder why I asked him to be so specific about it?
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Because -
a) GD explained what his PR was almost immediately
b) I did inquire...
Then why are you doing this now?
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and c) YOU ASKED ABOUT IT FIRST!
Because Seppel told me that the player would receive a PM indicating that they had their ability removed, but not anything else indicating what the message would say.
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Vote Iso
If you are not scum, you are the biggest idiot I have ever played Mafia with.
In the event that I get lynched, the town must follow what I say RIGHT NOW in order to win.
First, ganderin_dan is town. My ability has indicated such to me.
Second, Wrath_of_DoG just claimed scum. He needs to be lynched tomorrow for being completely full of ****.
Third, the massclaim still needs to happen, and I vote that pinky and ganderin_dan both should locate the abilities and stated or implied alignments in all claimed abilities, because the game WILL be won that easily.
Fourth, I strongly believe ~Tilde~ and Anaklusmos to be scum, so I STRONGLY recommend they be lynched after I am, not only for the bull**** pushing of my wagon in the manner that they have been, but Tilde for blatantly misrepresenting everything I have said, lying, and baselessly pushing suspicion on me, and Anak for the same thing as well as inconsistent post mindsets.
I had a theory that the town was Cyan and the scum was not, but in recent retrospect, I have decided that I believe everyone is Cyan.
Anyway, I'm not happy with the outcome of all of this, because everyone should have listened to me from the start, but if you're gonna lynch me, go for it, since I've been effectively neutered at this point due to the scum being so horribly afraid of what I can do to them.
The massclaim would have instantly resulted in a town win, as well as control of the scum's ability to do much of anything but Nightkill. So piss on you who were against it.
And unless something comes up that I forget, those are my final thoughts on the state of the game.
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Consider the timestamps between this post and the "Daykill Some One" PM's we got. Think it's pretty clear Iso removed Some One's "unkillable" power, which he NEVER CLAIMED.
Um, if he didn't claim it, I couldn't have removed it. But way to dig yourself into an even deeper hole when I flip town.
Seriously, everyone. Tilde is so anti-town it hurts my brain that he hasn't been lynched yet.
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My head hurts and it's more then this cold. Just reading this back and forth between Iso and Tilde makes my head spin.
WoD I would like clarification from you about this debate.
Can you only vote once? If so how is it possible that Iso could not take that ability away from you?
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pinky, the only possible explanation is that WoD does not have the ability that he claimed to have, or that I DID remove his voting restriction and he's lying about it in an attempt to spring his vote from one person to another in an attempt to surprise speedlynch for a scum victory in the endgame. Why would he lie about that? To have an excuse to tunnel as scum and not have it looked into. Notice how he pushed Arcadic's terrible wagon from the start? Notice now how he is trying to paint my actions as scummy when, before the big reveal, I viewed WoD as town, and as such, what I was doing could only be logically conceived as a pro-town action?
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Trust me.
Two reasons.
The first is so that I can use my ability the most efficiently.
The second is that if we know what roles each person is, we know their alignment. It would save me a lot of time on my finding every instance Cyan has said something is impossible if I just knew what keywords to look for on ability; Let me provide you with a completely made up example: "Cyan once said that it was impossible for a mafia team to have a person who has a daykill every day." So if we see somebody claim the aforementioned role, we know it's a mafia role. Get it?
pinky, what is your stance on the mass claim?
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After what happened in Star Trek game here I am pro mass claim.
Caught you as lying scum that game.
And Sepr and RO.
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Anyway, I have a scheme that should inevitably result in the town's victory. And yes, it involves the setup being completely present in various posts on the site.
I can single-handedly lock down the scum team, both in what they can do, and in who they are if we have a massclaim today.
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You have 3 bodies to lend credence to your plan. Show the posts where Some One, Arcadic and iLord's roles were laid out already, and maybe we'll agree to it.
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Post #1068 of Cartoon Mafia mentions someone agreeing to be Daykilled would be impossible as scum.
Continuing my search.
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If you're going to go back 5 years to try and find something, a link at least would be nice. The 'relevant' part is at the end of the post and quoted here:
But where in this game did Some One agree to be daykilled to prove his towniness? He said that he'd messed up and would accept being the Day 1 lynch because of it. Daykilling wasn't anywhere on the table until you offhandedly brought it up in post #490 (right after the PM's from Seppel went out based on the timestamps.) and he was dead the very next post.
Oh yeah, Cyan's role in Cartoon Mafia? Town Inventor. I don't see the words Miller, Unkillable, Unlynchable or Vigilante in that role.
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His role offered us the chance to daykill him. It wasn't his specific doing that offered us the chance to kill him. It was the game mechanic. The point is that we were presented with an opportunity to daykill somebody that was brought about through SOMETHING (his role ability), and Cyan said that if someone were offering (in this case, through his role) to be daykilled, it was impossible for them to be mafia.
Okay, so typically I don't resort to ad hom, so I do apologize, but are you ****ing stupid? Pull your ****ing head out of your ass, Tilde. I said that EVERY INSTANCE OF ROLES IN THIS GAME WERE QUOTES OF CYAN SAYING SOMETHING IS IMPOSSIBLE. I did NOT say that they were Cyan's own roles in games where he said something was impossible. For what it's worth, I've found part of my own role laying around in a mass of Cyan quotes. So are you going to continue to smear and discredit me because you know I've got this game broken open or are you going to give up the REAL reason for why you're so against the massclaim? Cyan's quotes LITERALLY tell us the alignment of a player, stating that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for X ability to be of Y faction, due to Z.
Like this, for example? I'm sure Cyan has said "That's impossible!" to this possibility somewhere along the lines. I'm considering the possibility that roles like this (and the JoaT one, because of flavor) are actually reflective of Cyan's playstyle or personality, but I've seen so many roles in my research that Cyan has said are impossible, that I'd be willing to bet that that is only the case very minimally and that WoD has another ability he's not telling us. No, I'm not asking what it is until we massclaim.
Anyway, point is, the evidence is all right here, and any further push against a massclaim is proof of an anti-town mindset.
Oh, one more cool thing:
We can tell if someone is lying about their ability if Cyan has never said anything about it, thus they = auto-scum.
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The roles we have are scattered throughout Cyan quotes. Some of them are composed of more than one at a time.
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That sounds like paranoia. If they are just scattered anywhere that means anything in this game is possible or someone claims something that is only partial found gets suspicion on them.
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So no, it's quite literally what I said.
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Mmmmhmmmm. So your assertion is that our roles are composed of multiple quotes from Cyan that he has declared as "impossible".
For example, take Some One - Miller Vigilante is pretty normal. So, by your theory, the impossible parts would probably be "unlynchable" and "unkillable".
That would mean there's a Cyan quote somewhere to the effect of "an unlynchable role is impossible."
Hate to break it to you, but take a look at Cyan's role from Joss Whedon.
So an unlynchable role would be QUITE POSSIBLE in Cyan's mind, since he's been one.
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Look. It matters not whether he's actually HAD the role. The game is focused on what he has SAID is possible. In addition, you're discounting the most probable scenario: That Cyan once said that someone was Unlynchable AND Unkillable in the SAME ROLE was impossible. Hell, it's possible that he even said it was impossible that they were Unlynchable, Unkillable, AND could be killed anyway. Occam's Razor. Use it.
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Keywords - "impossible", "unlynchable" - 1 result
Keywords - "impossible", "unkillable" - 1 result in mafia forums, the other in a retired clan thread regarding a card design.
Keywords - "unkillable", "unlynchable" - no results.
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So are you done pissing in the ocean, Tilde, or are you going to start off the massclaim?
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I think Tilde is trying to say that on his search he didn't see anything exact. What I'm hearing in all this is taking words that Cyan said was impossible and trying to find someone that is lying.
That is a big puzzle to over come and again I'm thinking more likely WIFOM.
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Especially given we already have someone with a PR that could only post Cyan quotes, making it incredibly likely that he'd discover such a thing if it existed.
I'd like to see how the other two bodies, and ganderin_dan, fit into your massive modgaming.
Maybe that's what Seppel was hoping.
If people would lend enough credence to my theory, then perhaps I would be more motivated to look for them.
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I don't think Seppel was hoping G_d would break the game. Find a hint, maybe. Also, if I can remember correctly, Cyan has ~72 games. A very low estimate puts that at around 7200 posts. I don't expect you to be able to find the roles, and furthermore, I don't expect roles to be spelled out quite so nice. The fact you have not found one would explain this, you instead have found some pieces.
Also, Iso you keep referencing old games, I don't ever remember you being so arrogant in any of them. Maybe I forgot, but this is certainly appearing to me to be a new level for you. Which is one reason that I have been so keen on you.
@pinky Iso is my top suspect, because of the arrogance mentioned above, calling for a massclaim this early (seriously, this is not the time).
Eco is next, though distant. I don't like the end of D1, or his explanations for it.
More details later (because I know you want them :)) but I have a semester long programming project due tomorrow night, and am a bit swamped currently.
You are forgetting that Cyan likes to comment on a lot of games afterwards. So I would need to look in other places as well.
Considering we've been in, what, one game together before? And it was my first game? I wouldn't expect you to be used to my style of play.
Can you point to a game I've been in where I haven't been arrogant after my first game?
I have explained exactly why I am for a massclaim and why it can only be perceived as a pro-town action, and the only reason I can see that you would be unwilling to support the massclaim is if you are scum.
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Cyan claiming to be an unlynchable miller vig.
Shall I continue?
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And if you were more motivated in looking for them, people might lend credence to your theory. I, for one, am not interested in any theory without proof to back it up.
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I find it odd that you made no mention of this before, and are now repeating it a lot.
Which leads me to believe it's bull****.
And I'm still not seeing why this means we should massclaim.
So, you're arguing that the role he claimed (which happened to be true, minus the alignment) was something he later claimed to be impossible?
Also, false causality. You're connecting two completely unrelated things. You were arguing it was "stuff Cyan said was impossible", not "random things Cyan claimed".
I'm going back to ignoring you.
Umm, because I didn't feel the need to mention it? You're so scum it hurts. Go back to providing self-inconsistent reactions.
Because Cyan states alignments with roles.
...he was a conditionally unlynchable SSK. BIG difference from an unlynchable miller vig. Why are you blatantly lying? Or are you just so eager to dismiss my theory that you didn't read?
.-. So you're going to ignore the fact that I can have the game won for the town within a matter of days if we massclaim? Why?
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Fact is: your massclaim has absolutely nothing to base it on. And there's the fact that you're just assuming that Seppel's going to make the game easy as hell to break open by making the role's alignment that of the quote. Which would make it easy as hell to find scum whenever they claimed. That AND they can't claim something else because then it's obvious they're falseclaiming.
Your whole massclaim pretty much relies on the scum being given an instant "WE LOSE" button, with a town being given a PR that pretty much places them right next to said button.
Once again, of course he would SAY that he believed that AT THAT STAGE IN THE GAME.
Once again, Seppel said that the game was breakable by tracking down Cyan quotes. So yes, he did make it that easy. It's like having an open setup, just not telling you beforehand which roles are present. Which is where the research comes into play.
Once again, can you come up with an explanation for how such a COINCIDENTAL PHRASING OF ROLE would be present in THIS game if there weren't a basis for it from the specific quotes that I have located by Cyan?
The longer we stall with the massclaim, the longer the scum has to find a safe role to falsely claim among the Cyan quotes, guys.
Um, yeah. The evidence is RIGHT IN YOUR FACE.
@Mod: Can you confirm, in-thread, that all roles of this game are composed from quotes of Cyan on MTGS?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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Furthermore, before I asked said question, I got a PM saying that someone tried to remove an ability that I don't have.
So we're going to lynch Iso today, because that's why he wants a mass claim. His role can eliminate known aspects of a player's role, and THATS WHY HE WANTS US ALL TO CLAIM BEFORE HIM.
That must be what he used on GanDan, because of his obvious Post restriction.
I don't know what the hell he thought I could do, but either way, he needs to die. I cannot see any use for a role like that on a townie.
I'd vote for Iso right now, if only I'd known what I know now at the start of the Day.
That's how he knew Arcadic was town, despite all evidence to the contrary, and that's why he's so gay for a mass claim.
Huge, massive, FOS ISO
LYNCH HIM.
DO IT.
Vote Iso
Note the word all in this sentence. This is where your theory is flaw. If all roles are Cyan's quotes then mass claiming doesn't help.
Also if your saying that Cyan implies a role claim is town vs scum then your leaving people to be paranoid over a role claim that could be town.
Example: Would you really believe someone claiming unlynchable, unkillable, miller was town?
Arrogance is not scummy. Arrogance at best is annoying. I would like those details further from you.
This concerns me. I have not received a PM..........WoD why did you fos Iso?
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mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
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If it's a targeted ability then only the target would get a PM. WoD can't change his initial vote, so FOS is the best he can do.
The ability described (would you call it a "role daykiller"?) makes a hell of a lot of sense. Pretty sure WoD wouldn't pull something like this as a gambit.
Iso wouldn't try to target ME with it because I'm too obvious a target I guess...
Wrath? Can you paraphrase the PM you got?
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
I must be losing it because I don't see where WoD say he can't change his vote?
Being sick right now doesn't help either right now.
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town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
Woah, woah, woah.
Hold the ****ing phone.
WoD, I tried to remove your voting restriction. So why did you lie about your voting restriction? Moreover, why would you want to lynch me for attempting to give you voting mobility?
Ding ding, we have a winner. If a player claims any aspect of their ability in-thread, I can quote it, say, "That's impossible!" in bold to it, and that part of their ability is removed. I also have a 50% chance to receive a Cop result if I successfully remove an ability from that player.
On that note, Unvote, Vote WoD
How about the aspect of my ability you didn't figure out?
On that note, how about to remove g_d's PR? Or your voting restriction which you apparently lied about?
WoD may as well have just admitted to being scum.
No, I knew Arcadic was town because I recognized his town behavior. However, yes, you are correct, that is half of why I want a massclaim. But now that you've gone and done possibly the most anti-town thing you could do in this game, you need to get lynched.
Yes, as Cyan claimed it and it was implied that he was claiming it to be town in the game that he claimed it in.
WRONG
Pretty sure he WOULD.
If I knew your role, believe me, I would remove it in a heartbeat.
Why didn't you push for gan_dan's PM that he got when I removed his PR?
Let me make it very clear to everyone what just happened.
Wrath_of_DoG claimed to be unable to vote, except in the first post of the Day, and unable to change that vote.
I used my ability to remove that voting restriction.
He said that Seppel sent him a PM telling him that someone tried to remove an ability he doesn't have.
My ability removes any aspect of a player's ability that I choose that they claim in-thread. I just have to quote it, and in bold, say, "That's impossible!"
In addition, if I successfully remove an ability, there's a 50% chance that I will learn the player's alignment. That's how I know g_d is town.
WoD just slipped up because he admitted to lying about his vote restriction. That's as good as a scum confession to me.
Current houghts on scum team:
Tilde
Anak
WoD
The fact that WoD jumped on Eco at the beginning of the day is pretty clearing of Eco, IMO. And the bull**** wagon against Arcadic. WoD has conveniently decided to "ignore" me most of the game until he realized that I was a threat to the scum. Now that the effectiveness of my ability has been neutralized, however, I cannot effectively limit their actions, which kind of pisses me off.
Anyway, WoD's actions have clearly shown him lying, and he just slipped up majorly.
So let's lynch him.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
First, that role means you can selectively vanillasize everyone who claims, leaving you in control of every power role in this game.
Second, presumably you have to PM Seppel a quote of the player claiming the aspect of their role and add "That's impossible!" to it to remove that bit of their role.
So how does "!" = "cannot post except in Cyanquotes"?
Because -
a) GD explained what his PR was almost immediately
b) I did inquire...
and c) YOU ASKED ABOUT IT FIRST!
Vote Iso
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Consider the timestamps between this post and the "Daykill Some One" PM's we got. Think it's pretty clear Iso removed Some One's "unkillable" power, which he NEVER CLAIMED.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
And it never occurred to you that after I claimed I was going to take a vote on what abilities the town decided were too dangerous to keep unchecked?
No, I have to state it IN THREAD, exactly as I said, and I advise you learn how to read. "!" = "cannot post except in Cyanquotes" when I asked him to quote my statement and use the "yes, that's what I was trying to say!" (or whatever the quote was) to indicate that's what he was claiming. Did you never wonder why I asked him to be so specific about it?
Then why are you doing this now?
Because Seppel told me that the player would receive a PM indicating that they had their ability removed, but not anything else indicating what the message would say.
If you are not scum, you are the biggest idiot I have ever played Mafia with.
In the event that I get lynched, the town must follow what I say RIGHT NOW in order to win.
First, ganderin_dan is town. My ability has indicated such to me.
Second, Wrath_of_DoG just claimed scum. He needs to be lynched tomorrow for being completely full of ****.
Third, the massclaim still needs to happen, and I vote that pinky and ganderin_dan both should locate the abilities and stated or implied alignments in all claimed abilities, because the game WILL be won that easily.
Fourth, I strongly believe ~Tilde~ and Anaklusmos to be scum, so I STRONGLY recommend they be lynched after I am, not only for the bull**** pushing of my wagon in the manner that they have been, but Tilde for blatantly misrepresenting everything I have said, lying, and baselessly pushing suspicion on me, and Anak for the same thing as well as inconsistent post mindsets.
I had a theory that the town was Cyan and the scum was not, but in recent retrospect, I have decided that I believe everyone is Cyan.
Anyway, I'm not happy with the outcome of all of this, because everyone should have listened to me from the start, but if you're gonna lynch me, go for it, since I've been effectively neutered at this point due to the scum being so horribly afraid of what I can do to them.
The massclaim would have instantly resulted in a town win, as well as control of the scum's ability to do much of anything but Nightkill. So piss on you who were against it.
And unless something comes up that I forget, those are my final thoughts on the state of the game.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Um, if he didn't claim it, I couldn't have removed it. But way to dig yourself into an even deeper hole when I flip town.
Seriously, everyone. Tilde is so anti-town it hurts my brain that he hasn't been lynched yet.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Where's the bolded "That's Impossible" post from today targeting Wrath?
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Mhm.
See what I did there?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
WoD I would like clarification from you about this debate.
Can you only vote once? If so how is it possible that Iso could not take that ability away from you?
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mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
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That should speak loads for itself.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player