You know, you're going to have to explain your use of fearmongering there to me, because I never quite understand how people surmise that anyone is attempting to induce fear in anyone. I'm just thinking harder than I probably should be.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I can concede the point that it probably wasn't a gambit. So my questions to you stand as:
Would scum have come clean after being caught?
Would scum have been so painfully obviously contradictory?
If the answers are more than 50% likely to be yes, then I have no other points to bring up until I finish my reading.
I believe Some One was forced to admit he was lying because there was simply no way that he could have continued to defend himself otherwise. By admitting he was lying, he opened the door to the arguments which you are presently espousing. It was a surprising move regardless of alignment, because admitting that you fabricated reads is typically akin to signing your own death warrant.
I don't believe Some One was intentionally so contradictory - scum obviously would like to avoid being so blatantly scummy if they could help it. I'll reassert that such obvious contradictory behavior is far more likely to be the work of scum simply because they are forced to fabricate much of what they say with regards to their reads on certain players. As the old aphorism goes, if you tell the truth, you don't have to remember what you said.
I can concede the point that it probably wasn't a gambit. So my questions to you stand as:
Would scum have come clean after being caught?
Would scum have been so painfully obviously contradictory?
If the answers are more than 50% likely to be yes, then I have no other points to bring up until I finish my reading.
When you say "Would scum have xxxxx"... It's as though you expect us to quote established mafia theory at you to definitively prove or disprove your statements.
This entire post is WIFOM, and adds nothing to discussion other than +1post.
Fair enough. Still reading a massive amount of content, so I won't be providing what I said I would until maybe Monday. Maybe even later. It's a lot that I'm putting together, and I won't have internet at work this weekend, so I'll do my best.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
When you say "Would scum have xxxxx"... It's as though you expect us to quote established mafia theory at you to definitively prove or disprove your statements.
This entire post is WIFOM, and adds nothing to discussion other than +1post.
Disagreed. I'm presenting angles to consider. I'm not trying to defend Some One. I'm just trying to make sense of his actions as paired with his claimed ability.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You know, you're going to have to explain your use of fearmongering there to me, because I never quite understand how people surmise that anyone is attempting to induce fear in anyone. I'm just thinking harder than I probably should be.
Trying to dissuade or promote a course of action based purely on "WHAT IF"s.
Disagreed. I'm presenting angles to consider. I'm not trying to defend Some One. I'm just trying to make sense of his actions as paired with his claimed ability.
And indeed, I'm pretty interested in your opinion of this. How has Some One's claim affected your read on him?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What I do to people under the covers is none of your business.
You're more than welcome to propose a target. I know that I am town and therefore wholeheartedly disagree with the case as it is presented against me. You must understand that I obviously cannot accept his logic that townies cannot possibly be careless.
No one has even looked at Small Town. If he was town - perhaps if you were town and interested in the case against me - you guys would would be pursuing scum with an open mind and at least consider looking at that game.
But no, you two, who seem to be leading the action, don't really care. You just want to see me dead. How townie is that?
What you do under the covers is entirely the town's business. Unilateral anything is bad, especially when we are in an easily controllable situation. I can't propose a target if I don't know what you'll do to them.
But, I did actually go and look at Smalltown (specifically post #843 onwards), and SO is right - he got pulled up for extreme fence-sitting and responded in an almost identical manner (ie agreeing that he was wrong and scummy). The similarities in play are giving me pause for thought on the meta-strength of the case.
I'm not about to dive straight off the wagon based on one game from 3 years ago but the similarities are striking, even if his independent behaviour here is extremely scummy.
SO, can you list all of your games please? This requires further research, especially into your scum play.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
From my phone...games...im going to be missing probably at least 10 here...
Doomsday persona smalltown campT lotr2? Broyale Potter fantastic ghost startrek
I'm not familiar with your frequency of posting, but I value your opinion as a player, and as such, was curious of your input.
This is the correct answer
This is approximately my expected posting frequency. It would be marginally higher if I was engaged in a back and forth and/or if I didn't have all this blasted work.
From my phone...games...im going to be missing probably at least 10 here...
Doomsday persona smalltown campT lotr2? Broyale Potter fantastic ghost startrek
This is approximately my expected posting frequency. It would be marginally higher if I was engaged in a back and forth and/or if I didn't have all this blasted work.
For anyone who's curious, I'm reading Cyan's games.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Fine, keep up the "I'm all-knowing and inscrutable" deal. The rest of us playing will either get sick of your hois-palois attitude or we'll call you on this being an obvious stall tactic.
Fine, keep up the "I'm all-knowing and inscrutable" deal. The rest of us playing will either get sick of your hois-palois attitude or we'll call you on this being an obvious stall tactic.
No stall tactic here. You're welcome to lynch Some One to test his claim, you don't need me for that. Just bear in mind that it takes a LONG time to look through 72 games.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
No stall tactic here. You're welcome to lynch Some One to test his claim, you don't need me for that. Just bear in mind that it takes a LONG time to look through 72 games.
I need to do a lot of reading not in this game. I'll return with input on other matters, but until then, let's hold off on Some One's lynch.
Emphasis mine.
You pull yourself off Some One's wagon and ask everyone to sit around twiddling their thumbs until you apparently get done re-reading CYAN, who is not in this game. How is that not a stall tactic?
You pull yourself off Some One's wagon and ask everyone to sit around twiddling their thumbs until you apparently get done re-reading CYAN, who is not in this game. How is that not a stall tactic?
My bad. If you're really so impatient, go ahead and lynch him, but it's not a stall tactic because of what I'm looking for.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My bad. If you're really so impatient, go ahead and lynch him, but it's not a stall tactic because of what I'm looking for.
Ah. You're looking for something specific. Presumably something specific that Cyan did/said in another game that somehow applies to this one.
It's not a stall tactic because Iso says so...
Cyan's behavioral read on another player? Doesn't make sense, you'd be looking though the other player's games rather than Cyan's.
A role proposed or claimed by Cyan in another game that somehow fits into what you've claimed to have done? THAT makes a fair bit of sense, since you did ask:
Ah. You're looking for something specific. Presumably something specific that Cyan did/said in another game that somehow applies to this one.
Getting warmer...
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It's not a stall tactic because Iso says so...
Angle's good, wind's right...
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Cyan's behavioral read on another player? Doesn't make sense, you'd be looking though the other player's games rather than Cyan's.
Flying over the green...
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A role proposed or claimed by Cyan in another game that somehow fits into what you've claimed to have done? THAT makes a fair bit of sense, since you did ask:
What I asked has more to do with process of elimination than what I'VE done.
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In other words, it seems like you're looking for a false claim.
AND THE HIT FALLS RIGHT INTO THE WATER. OUT OF BOUNDS. INCORRECT. WRONG. DETRACT FROM TILDE'S SCORE.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
What you do under the covers is entirely the town's business. Unilateral anything is bad, especially when we are in an easily controllable situation. I can't propose a target if I don't know what you'll do to them.
But, I did actually go and look at Smalltown (specifically post #843 onwards), and SO is right - he got pulled up for extreme fence-sitting and responded in an almost identical manner (ie agreeing that he was wrong and scummy). The similarities in play are giving me pause for thought on the meta-strength of the case.
I'm not about to dive straight off the wagon based on one game from 3 years ago but the similarities are striking, even if his independent behaviour here is extremely scummy.
SO, can you list all of your games please? This requires further research, especially into your scum play.
Just curious, since you already checked out the game, did Some One exhibit a tone similar to that in his #391 and #393? I read it as incredibly feigned, but no doubt I would have read his behavior in Small Town as artificial as well.
Okay I'm on post 300 right now. Jotted down notes and you guys can welcome to my chaos of thoughts and questions I answered at this point as well here.
Tilde post 65 is aweful. What is with mod gaming and why would you lynch someone just based on a post restriction this early?
Anaklusmos post 81
I find the don't dare mess with me to be null tell. More town then scum lately, especailly with Iso.
I've found that people with ego's like Iso tend to get beat up by many who don't respond well to that ego.
The rest is meh.
I personally have never seen scum come in and say hi I don't know my win condtion but I win with the town. It usually causes many people to question said player and that player to have to put up with being baraded and looked at scummy.
I don't know scum that seek that kind of attention. Do you?
I know Pinky is very new around here, but from what I've seen, she has a supernaturally good gut, so I'm totally barning her on this. Arcadic has been way over-aggressive, and in my humble opinion, she hit the nail on the head, and he's definitely worth pursuing.
This was pretty much how I felt during the exchange as well.
Tilde post 140 Is there any reason you don't believe GD?
Issues with Arcadic is how he dodged questions I asked.
He side steps my question about why he something he finds inconsequential was worth attacking. What made his case apt over mine.
No, REALLY? Are you really casting doubt on people for their RVS votes? Really? I mean, this is impossible mafia, but you've managed to do the unpossible.
And, the backpedal. First its worth questioning *boggle* then you simply achknoledge its random nature after being confronted with it? If you understood and knew what the R in RVS stood for, you certainly didn't care before. Vote Pinky's
First off it was not backpeddling. I asked iLord for his reasoning. He gave it to me.
Second: See above. Tell me how you missed that with all the back and forth. And yes REALLY! I'm asking why you voted someone without a reason next to it.
He also exaggerated what was said between iLord and myself.
Again, show me how your conversation matters then. You would not accept a Random vote for being random and badgered Ilord into explaining something that did not need explaining. Ever.
Which is a blantant lie. I asked iLord the same question and we discussed back and forth or views on RVS.
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I...what?
How does that work?
Please, explain.
Lets say I say something total BS that in the end is saying I think your scummy for my oppinion on X.
Would you as town really care about someone's oppinion or over react to that oppinion?
I would not.
I cannot remember the name of the fallacy here.
Either way, you're taking an isolated incident (in a Basic, no less) and applying it everywhere. The exception does not make the rule.
There was more then one time. I just use that as it's more recent. I have had scum attack me on very weak reasoning before and make a mountain out of a molehill. It makes me very aware that there is always a possiblity of it happening again.
You would remove it to earn townie points with everyone. That is not hard to see.
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Or he removed it because he could remove it and it helps a person who has a post restriction talk.
I really don’t like post like this. As it just sides Iso as scum for doing it only but not town. It’s null if you really think about it.
Unless someone’s intentions are scummy boasting that someone is doing something for town brownie points is usually in my view a cheep shot that is an opinion and not fact.
Pinky, when you get back, do you plan to provide a more detailed case on Arcadic? I don't think he was overreacting to what you mention in #143. Overreacting to a post not even directed at him seems neigh impossible (46), and a purely opinion-based (although one that I'm willing to say most people agree with, and likely has substantial empirical data to support) reaction to your silly posts about RVS votes.
The scum motive, however, is exactly as he stated. Trying to jump off a wagon, which is what scum have to do to succeed. Thus my thinking your case has a poor foundation.
The question was directed towards him, iLord and Eco. I am used to RVS with comments, not just a vote. From what I’m used to I have seen scum usually just vote without adding anything to the game and disappear. Asking if there was meaning and Arcadic’s reaction to being one of the 3 called out is in my view an over reaction. I didn’t vote for any of the 3. I stated what I was used to seeing and he still acted like my opinion (which is what it is) had malice and vicious intent.
I also felt he was deflecting back. Especially on something he calls inconsequential.
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Tilde's comments concerning you and ganderin's PR are not very logical. What you detect as malicious intent, I read as Tilde following his personal interpretation in which you being scum apparently made perfect sense.
Say what? I did not see this at all. He made what looks like a wild accusation with no bases.
Post 226 from iLord makes me feel like you need to jump through hoops to get him to agree to a scum read. I don’t know whether it’s because Iso presented the case or if iLord feels the way he does in this post says I agree about part of it but the mindset. Yeah no one is a mind reader. It’s all up to interpretation of the events. Just because you feel his mind set is one way doesn’t mean your right either there.
-I found myself siding with Arc @ his 44 vs. PB, but now, I don't know.
-Is the rule sited in Iso's 67 legit? People have to know there is a Jester in the game in order for the role of jester to exist? I would like an answer to this question if anyone knows...if he made it up on the fly, for example, I would find that to be relevant.
-I liked Anakulsmos 88, nice solid poasting.
-I can't recall WoD ever putting more words in a post in my entire life (in reference to 204). Thanks for that TL;DR...hilarious. lol
So, in reference to Iso & ~ & GD:
Did we not get a direct answer from Iso as to WTF happened for him to get GD to talk?
I have MUCH more to say on this topic, but would love that question to be answered first.
Why did you agree with Arc
What did you like about post 88 from Anak.
Why does it matter WTF happened to get GD to talk?
GD asked these questions *note look to see if there was any answer*
Vote WOD
His leap onto pinky's case and his vote reeks. He's voting me not based on meta, but can't really explain why his vote is on me? If i was looking for an easy lynch outta pinky with my vote, then why does he think pinky was an easy lynch?
Also, that mis-rep isn't a mis-rep. Its decerning motive. Which apparently isn't helpful and i should stop being a bad boy.
First off WoD gave a reason for his vote. Not everyone believe meta is the end all of discerning a players game.
This is also another weak, weak reason coming from Arcadic and over exaggeration again of the situation. Misrepresentation of WoD’s post, my list as you as scum is growing by leaps and bounds.
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On the topic of ganderin's #240, I received from it the distinct sense of a predator pouncing upon weakness. After Some One's #235, he attacked unnecessarily each statement from Some One's post, even the relatively innocuous statements like Some One's comment regarding Anaklusmos.
For the love of all that is unholy. Seriously? I understand that GD made a blanket statement without expanding but really I don’t see why it should not be pointed out that SO post was that of pure fluff and light and should be questioned. In fact most of his posting up to that point was really nothing of value. So yeah I completely support GD’s questions and can’t understand for the life of me why that would be wrong.
Please explain.
The theory that is most plausible to me, right now, is that Iso used some sort of Humility effect on GD to remove the PR, or that a scumbuddy of Iso's did it and Iso's taking the credit to garner town points.
Hi I’m completely talking out of my ass right now.
Really this is theory only you know. Is there some reason you believe this? Why?
Why does it seem I'm the only one who sees Iso's line of play as awkward? It's like he was scum trying to earn brownie points from the town for helping out GD. But, I don't think he's scum.
Ganderin said his posting rescrition WAS his ability :
As for the "town read" I have on him? If Iso manages to get lynched and flips scum, then we can re-evaluate, but at the moment, I think odds are low that both Iso and GD are scum and this PR affair was some kind of gambit on their part.
Put down the crack pipe.
In what world do you imagine scum would have a role that is to essentional ungag a town player?
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I'm working on reconstructing his mindset, and he's proving very accommodating in answering my questions. Believe it or not, it is actually more coherent than either of us believed.
How?
And finishing my read of 281 I would have appreciated more had you let him answer the questions himself. I don’t know how you got the interpretation from the conversation on such, but Tilde should spell it out for himself.
iLord, why would scumTilde think I'm scum? How is it irrational for scum to want to lynch town?
@pinky: I would like your take on my Tilde case, as well as your stance on Some One and Anaklusmos when you get the chance.
I agreed with you reasoning for why you found Tilde scum. I felt it came with what was going on in the game. What is driving me crazy right now is iLord jumping in and interpreting what he thinks Tilde is saying instead of letting Tilde clear himself.
See above for SomeOne.
As for Anak…..jury is still out right now. I’m leaning scum mostly because the townie points comment looks like a smear compaign.
I'm simply asking you to elaborate on what you mean. Here's what has just progressed:
Questions:
1. What sort of reactions were you looking for?
2. How did the deadline rules influence your post?
3. Are you saying that you considered all of these aspects before making your post?
You asked me if I was concerned if I didn’t ask we would lose activity point.
I’m stating that in my mind it was worth getting conversation going.
1. How a person responded. Would there be BS in their comments or could there be something tangible I could get from them to determine if they were town or scum.
2. I just saw it as a rule and thought if I was scum I would not promote discussion, lurk a bit and not engage in conversation. So seeing RVS votes with no reason’s added to that view.
3. Yes.
As of post 300 my scum read consist of:
Tilde
SO
Arcadic
Leaning scum
Anka
Will finish this with a wrap up....hopefully this weekend.
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Say what? I did not see this at all. He made what looks like a wild accusation with no bases.
Post 226 from iLord makes me feel like you need to jump through hoops to get him to agree to a scum read. I don’t know whether it’s because Iso presented the case or if iLord feels the way he does in this post says I agree about part of it but the mindset. Yeah no one is a mind reader. It’s all up to interpretation of the events. Just because you feel his mind set is one way doesn’t mean your right either there.
I don't agree with his accusations either. But that doesn't mean that he can't himself believe in them.
Of course, my interpretation of his mindset could be incorrect. But I believe that I'm correct in this case, else I'd be supporting a Tilde lynch.
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For the love of all that is unholy. Seriously? I understand that GD made a blanket statement without expanding but really I don’t see why it should not be pointed out that SO post was that of pure fluff and light and should be questioned. In fact most of his posting up to that point was really nothing of value. So yeah I completely support GD’s questions and can’t understand for the life of me why that would be wrong.
Please explain.
SO's post had some weak areas. There were also parts, however, that were perfectly acceptable. As I pointed out, ganderin himself, among other players, had used the general "I like ______ post" expression to little criticism. I don't think GD's questions were wrong - I was pointing out what they told us about his mindset. And the way he just went through and assaulted each part of the post, regardless of whether or not it was actually worth questioning, gave the impression that he was pouncing on weakness. He's since then confirmed my interpretation.
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How?
If you'll read his answers to my questions, they fit together nicely. Effectively the only point that caused his mindset to diverge is his assumption that Iso's ability removed all abilities from the target, an assumption that almost all of the rest of the town disagrees with. If you imagine a player who actually believes that, though, the rest of the pieces lock into place. It may not be the way you and I are interpreting the game, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's simply pretending to believe in it either.
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And finishing my read of 281 I would have appreciated more had you let him answer the questions himself. I don’t know how you got the interpretation from the conversation on such, but Tilde should spell it out for himself.
My #281 was simply parroting Tilde's #268 because Iso had misunderstood what Tilde was saying.
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I agreed with you reasoning for why you found Tilde scum. I felt it came with what was going on in the game. What is driving me crazy right now is iLord jumping in and interpreting what he thinks Tilde is saying instead of letting Tilde clear himself.
To my best recollection, I've mostly answered only when Iso has asked me what I believe Tilde's mindset to be. I don't remember many posts like #281, but I'd be glad to explain why I said what I did if you bring up specific posts that you have questions about.
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You asked me if I was concerned if I didn’t ask we would lose activity point.
I’m stating that in my mind it was worth getting conversation going.
1. How a person responded. Would there be BS in their comments or could there be something tangible I could get from them to determine if they were town or scum.
2. I just saw it as a rule and thought if I was scum I would not promote discussion, lurk a bit and not engage in conversation. So seeing RVS votes with no reason’s added to that view.
3. Yes.
For the record, I don't believe at all that you considered all of the points you mentioned in #284 before you made your post, but it's more indicative of inexperience than scum.
I don't agree with his accusations either. But that doesn't mean that he can't himself believe in them.
Of course, my interpretation of his mindset could be incorrect. But I believe that I'm correct in this case, else I'd be supporting a Tilde lynch.
But that still doesn't explain how it would make me scum if I had the ability Tilde is speculating that I have. It's completely ridiculous and it still begs the question of WHY Tilde is fishing so hard.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Lets say I say something total BS that in the end is saying I think your scummy for my oppinion on X.
Would you as town really care about someone's oppinion or over react to that oppinion?
I would not.
So just because you wouldn't do it, it's scummy?
Also, how is that related to loaded questions?
Let's say, for example, I ask you a question. No matter which way you answer that question, it will create the impression that you don't believe in a lynch you're pushing, making you look like scum.
How is that nothing to fear?
There was more then one time. I just use that as it's more recent. I have had scum attack me on very weak reasoning before and make a mountain out of a molehill. It makes me very aware that there is always a possiblity of it happening again.
First of all, in the example you quoted, did town attack you at all because of what you did?
Second, how do you distinguish a weak scum attack from a weak town attack?
Also, if you're going to quote my posts, please leave the link intact for my convenience.
But, I did actually go and look at Smalltown (specifically post #843 onwards), and SO is right - he got pulled up for extreme fence-sitting and responded in an almost identical manner (ie agreeing that he was wrong and scummy). The similarities in play are giving me pause for thought on the meta-strength of the case.
Was he simply fencesitting or was he making up his reads during Smalltown?
I consider GD and Iso to be misguided townies. Likewise Gigas is just lurking in plain sight - going with whatever seems popular at the time, and it's abundantly obvious.
How is Gigas lurking in plain sight, or "going with whatever seems popular", if he pretty much has not posted?
Cuz that's exactly what he's done in 4 posts...blatant lurking & agreeing with the popular.
@WoD - You mean to tell me that you don't know the answer? lol
Unless the answer is "because Some One is trying to make us all remember how little gigas has contributed to the game, thereby arousing our suspicions, and taking heat away from himself, because lurking is scummy rite?"
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Unless the answer is "because Some One is trying to make us all remember how little gigas has contributed to the game, thereby arousing our suspicions, and taking heat away from himself, because lurking is scummy rite?"
then no.
I ask who he wants me to kill...he proposes Gigas & Arc. Then he gets all awkward when I bring him up.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So that was strange. I got the opportunity to kill Some One via a message from Seppel but I didn't take the opportunity. So who's going to claim the kill?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So that was strange. I got the opportunity to kill Some One via a message from Seppel but I didn't take the opportunity. So who's going to claim the kill?
I got the same message but I had not finished reading the game and was not about to make a choice on SO till I finished my read.
I had thought you sent it to me when I saw you ask that question.
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In regards to people asking Iso about announcing that GD can now talk normally.
Let me ask things this way.
Don't you think if Iso had not said anything and GD suddenly could talk without the Post Restiction there would have been 20 questions about what happened and who did it?
I would especially like Tilde to answer the question above.
Tildepost 306 That is not you giving a response what to do? I see it as you asking people what to do beside PL GD.
And guess what Iso gave an idea that you did not.
(2)Yep and i called your reasoning crap. here's the bolded vote Vote WOD.
(3)Dislike your contined attempt to skirt properly answering a question here. You keep adding reasons as to why you did what you did, but it was your 1st post! 2 hours into the game!
(4)Dislike this post much for the same reasons as above.
1) People are asking Iso for information. More then one. Why not attack or comment to them about fishying for info?
2) Wow such defense with so much reasoning here
3) I don't like people force feeding words into my mouth.
4) I answered the question. It wasn't "skirted". Your reaching hard there.
So, what, Iso's got at least 3 abilities, 2 of which he's used on GD (1 to clear the PR and the 2nd to "confirm him as town") and a third, which he has to wait until at least tonight to use, and would be rendered ineffective if anyone knew what it was, and which he says would be MORE effective if everyone else would kindly go ahead and claim for no reason other than to let him "break the game wide open" because he's Iso and We Should Trust Him Over All Else?
I've heard enough.
Vote Iso
What about the 2 abilities says scum to you and why?
Would you just want me to say I am for his lynch without going through and making a whole case?
In short, yes I am not opposed to lynching him. He is my second choice, behind Iso (trust me, I haven't forgotten about you). I pointed out my dislike of him earlier, but that wasn't enough.
I still would rather focus our attention on Iso though.
Why?
Besides the whole business about GD, what else do you have that makes you think Iso is scum that is not based on theory?
I'm a bit tired of the meta talks on tilde. The next person who handwaves the case against tilde citing meta, needs to provides links to Tilde as town and scum.
I completely feel for Iso on this. It's frustrating when you make points and all people say well that's X's meta.
Lets see these differences or if he acts like this as scum and town lets look at scum and town games for those who never played with Tilde before.
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Don't you think if Iso had not said anything and GD suddenly could talk without the Post Restiction there would have been 20 questions about what happened and who did it?
I would especially like Tilde to answer the question above.
Yes, I'm sure a lot of people would be asking questions, and among those questions would likely be "Did GD fake the PR?"
Tildepost 306 That is not you giving a response what to do?
That's me asking everyone: "What do we want to do with GD? Policy lynching him for the PR was the LAST thing on my mind. "Besides" = "Except" in that post's context.
1) People are asking Iso for information. More then one. Why not attack or comment to them about fishying for info?
Iso's guilty of as well. Take a look at his first post:
What about the 2 abilities says scum to you and why?
That's me commenting that Iso's claiming three or more highly disparate abilities (the PR removal, the Cop investigation on GD - which makes less sense, why investigate someone he cleared the PR on? and his 3rd "mystery game-breaker ability" that doesn't work if he tells anyone what it is, and works really good if everyone else claims first.)
Besides the whole business about GD, what else do you have that makes you think Iso is scum that is not based on theory?
General belligerent behavior, namely Iso's unwillingness to co-operate with anyone and accuse anyone who looks at him funny as having scum motives. And you've got those grandiose sweeping judgements which have no apparent basis beyond "Iso Is Right And You All Must Follow Me Without Question Because Everyone Else Is Wrong".
Re: Some One - Yes, I got the PM to daykill him, but he'd already been killed before I read it.
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I believe Some One was forced to admit he was lying because there was simply no way that he could have continued to defend himself otherwise. By admitting he was lying, he opened the door to the arguments which you are presently espousing. It was a surprising move regardless of alignment, because admitting that you fabricated reads is typically akin to signing your own death warrant.
I don't believe Some One was intentionally so contradictory - scum obviously would like to avoid being so blatantly scummy if they could help it. I'll reassert that such obvious contradictory behavior is far more likely to be the work of scum simply because they are forced to fabricate much of what they say with regards to their reads on certain players. As the old aphorism goes, if you tell the truth, you don't have to remember what you said.
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This entire post is WIFOM, and adds nothing to discussion other than +1post.
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Disagreed. I'm presenting angles to consider. I'm not trying to defend Some One. I'm just trying to make sense of his actions as paired with his claimed ability.
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Fearmongering.
And indeed, I'm pretty interested in your opinion of this. How has Some One's claim affected your read on him?
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But I'm taking that into consideration with my read of the information I'm compiling.
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Also, I wish Gigas and Eco would post more.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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I'm curious as to why you mentioned me here.
Also:
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What you do under the covers is entirely the town's business. Unilateral anything is bad, especially when we are in an easily controllable situation. I can't propose a target if I don't know what you'll do to them.
But, I did actually go and look at Smalltown (specifically post #843 onwards), and SO is right - he got pulled up for extreme fence-sitting and responded in an almost identical manner (ie agreeing that he was wrong and scummy). The similarities in play are giving me pause for thought on the meta-strength of the case.
I'm not about to dive straight off the wagon based on one game from 3 years ago but the similarities are striking, even if his independent behaviour here is extremely scummy.
SO, can you list all of your games please? This requires further research, especially into your scum play.
I'm not familiar with your frequency of posting, but I value your opinion as a player, and as such, was curious of your input.
Which is why I'm doing the reading that I'm doing.
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Doomsday persona smalltown campT lotr2? Broyale Potter fantastic ghost startrek
Basics - batman icecream prolly4+more
This is the correct answer
This is approximately my expected posting frequency. It would be marginally higher if I was engaged in a back and forth and/or if I didn't have all this blasted work.
Thanks, I'll look at the over the weekend.
For anyone who's curious, I'm reading Cyan's games.
All of them.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Any particular reason you're doing this? Pretty sure trying to get a meta read on Cyan is pointless because he's not in this game.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Yes.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Fine, keep up the "I'm all-knowing and inscrutable" deal. The rest of us playing will either get sick of your hois-palois attitude or we'll call you on this being an obvious stall tactic.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
No stall tactic here. You're welcome to lynch Some One to test his claim, you don't need me for that. Just bear in mind that it takes a LONG time to look through 72 games.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Emphasis mine.
You pull yourself off Some One's wagon and ask everyone to sit around twiddling their thumbs until you apparently get done re-reading CYAN, who is not in this game. How is that not a stall tactic?
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
My bad. If you're really so impatient, go ahead and lynch him, but it's not a stall tactic because of what I'm looking for.
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Ah. You're looking for something specific. Presumably something specific that Cyan did/said in another game that somehow applies to this one.
It's not a stall tactic because Iso says so...
Cyan's behavioral read on another player? Doesn't make sense, you'd be looking though the other player's games rather than Cyan's.
A role proposed or claimed by Cyan in another game that somehow fits into what you've claimed to have done? THAT makes a fair bit of sense, since you did ask:
In other words, it seems like you're looking for a false claim.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Getting warmer...
Angle's good, wind's right...
Flying over the green...
What I asked has more to do with process of elimination than what I'VE done.
AND THE HIT FALLS RIGHT INTO THE WATER. OUT OF BOUNDS. INCORRECT. WRONG. DETRACT FROM TILDE'S SCORE.
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Which is what I've been trying to do since my first post.
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Just curious, since you already checked out the game, did Some One exhibit a tone similar to that in his #391 and #393? I read it as incredibly feigned, but no doubt I would have read his behavior in Small Town as artificial as well.
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Tilde post 65 is aweful. What is with mod gaming and why would you lynch someone just based on a post restriction this early?
Anaklusmos post 81
I find the don't dare mess with me to be null tell. More town then scum lately, especailly with Iso.
I've found that people with ego's like Iso tend to get beat up by many who don't respond well to that ego.
The rest is meh.
I personally have never seen scum come in and say hi I don't know my win condtion but I win with the town. It usually causes many people to question said player and that player to have to put up with being baraded and looked at scummy.
I don't know scum that seek that kind of attention. Do you?
This was pretty much how I felt during the exchange as well.
Tilde post 140 Is there any reason you don't believe GD?
Issues with Arcadic is how he dodged questions I asked.
He side steps my question about why he something he finds inconsequential was worth attacking. What made his case apt over mine.
Then we have this:
His questions:
My response.
He also exaggerated what was said between iLord and myself.
Which is a blantant lie. I asked iLord the same question and we discussed back and forth or views on RVS.
Lets say I say something total BS that in the end is saying I think your scummy for my oppinion on X.
Would you as town really care about someone's oppinion or over react to that oppinion?
I would not.
There was more then one time. I just use that as it's more recent. I have had scum attack me on very weak reasoning before and make a mountain out of a molehill. It makes me very aware that there is always a possiblity of it happening again.
Or he removed it because he could remove it and it helps a person who has a post restriction talk.
I really don’t like post like this. As it just sides Iso as scum for doing it only but not town. It’s null if you really think about it.
Unless someone’s intentions are scummy boasting that someone is doing something for town brownie points is usually in my view a cheep shot that is an opinion and not fact.
As of post 214 I’m calling Iso town.
The question was directed towards him, iLord and Eco. I am used to RVS with comments, not just a vote. From what I’m used to I have seen scum usually just vote without adding anything to the game and disappear. Asking if there was meaning and Arcadic’s reaction to being one of the 3 called out is in my view an over reaction. I didn’t vote for any of the 3. I stated what I was used to seeing and he still acted like my opinion (which is what it is) had malice and vicious intent.
I also felt he was deflecting back. Especially on something he calls inconsequential.
Say what? I did not see this at all. He made what looks like a wild accusation with no bases.
Post 226 from iLord makes me feel like you need to jump through hoops to get him to agree to a scum read. I don’t know whether it’s because Iso presented the case or if iLord feels the way he does in this post says I agree about part of it but the mindset. Yeah no one is a mind reader. It’s all up to interpretation of the events. Just because you feel his mind set is one way doesn’t mean your right either there.
Why did you agree with Arc
What did you like about post 88 from Anak.
Why does it matter WTF happened to get GD to talk?
GD asked these questions *note look to see if there was any answer*
Barn post 244 by Iso
First off WoD gave a reason for his vote. Not everyone believe meta is the end all of discerning a players game.
This is also another weak, weak reason coming from Arcadic and over exaggeration again of the situation. Misrepresentation of WoD’s post, my list as you as scum is growing by leaps and bounds.
For the love of all that is unholy. Seriously? I understand that GD made a blanket statement without expanding but really I don’t see why it should not be pointed out that SO post was that of pure fluff and light and should be questioned. In fact most of his posting up to that point was really nothing of value. So yeah I completely support GD’s questions and can’t understand for the life of me why that would be wrong.
Please explain.
Hi I’m completely talking out of my ass right now.
Really this is theory only you know. Is there some reason you believe this? Why?
The fence is strong with you young Skywalker.
Put down the crack pipe.
In what world do you imagine scum would have a role that is to essentional ungag a town player?
How?
And finishing my read of 281 I would have appreciated more had you let him answer the questions himself. I don’t know how you got the interpretation from the conversation on such, but Tilde should spell it out for himself.
I agreed with you reasoning for why you found Tilde scum. I felt it came with what was going on in the game. What is driving me crazy right now is iLord jumping in and interpreting what he thinks Tilde is saying instead of letting Tilde clear himself.
See above for SomeOne.
As for Anak…..jury is still out right now. I’m leaning scum mostly because the townie points comment looks like a smear compaign.
You asked me if I was concerned if I didn’t ask we would lose activity point.
I’m stating that in my mind it was worth getting conversation going.
1. How a person responded. Would there be BS in their comments or could there be something tangible I could get from them to determine if they were town or scum.
2. I just saw it as a rule and thought if I was scum I would not promote discussion, lurk a bit and not engage in conversation. So seeing RVS votes with no reason’s added to that view.
3. Yes.
As of post 300 my scum read consist of:
Tilde
SO
Arcadic
Leaning scum
Anka
Will finish this with a wrap up....hopefully this weekend.
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I don't agree with his accusations either. But that doesn't mean that he can't himself believe in them.
Of course, my interpretation of his mindset could be incorrect. But I believe that I'm correct in this case, else I'd be supporting a Tilde lynch.
SO's post had some weak areas. There were also parts, however, that were perfectly acceptable. As I pointed out, ganderin himself, among other players, had used the general "I like ______ post" expression to little criticism. I don't think GD's questions were wrong - I was pointing out what they told us about his mindset. And the way he just went through and assaulted each part of the post, regardless of whether or not it was actually worth questioning, gave the impression that he was pouncing on weakness. He's since then confirmed my interpretation.
If you'll read his answers to my questions, they fit together nicely. Effectively the only point that caused his mindset to diverge is his assumption that Iso's ability removed all abilities from the target, an assumption that almost all of the rest of the town disagrees with. If you imagine a player who actually believes that, though, the rest of the pieces lock into place. It may not be the way you and I are interpreting the game, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's simply pretending to believe in it either.
My #281 was simply parroting Tilde's #268 because Iso had misunderstood what Tilde was saying.
To my best recollection, I've mostly answered only when Iso has asked me what I believe Tilde's mindset to be. I don't remember many posts like #281, but I'd be glad to explain why I said what I did if you bring up specific posts that you have questions about.
For the record, I don't believe at all that you considered all of the points you mentioned in #284 before you made your post, but it's more indicative of inexperience than scum.
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But that still doesn't explain how it would make me scum if I had the ability Tilde is speculating that I have. It's completely ridiculous and it still begs the question of WHY Tilde is fishing so hard.
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also, how is that related to loaded questions?
Let's say, for example, I ask you a question. No matter which way you answer that question, it will create the impression that you don't believe in a lynch you're pushing, making you look like scum.
How is that nothing to fear?
First of all, in the example you quoted, did town attack you at all because of what you did?
Second, how do you distinguish a weak scum attack from a weak town attack?
Also, if you're going to quote my posts, please leave the link intact for my convenience.
Was he simply fencesitting or was he making up his reads during Smalltown?
How is Gigas lurking in plain sight, or "going with whatever seems popular", if he pretty much has not posted?
@WoD - You mean to tell me that you don't know the answer? lol
then no.
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2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I ask who he wants me to kill...he proposes Gigas & Arc. Then he gets all awkward when I bring him up.
If, hypothetically speaking, Some One got killed, who would your second lynch choice be?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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Votes have been reset. With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
I'm pretty sure he'll flip scum at this point though.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
lol unkillable town vig
Vote WOD
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
So that was strange. I got the opportunity to kill Some One via a message from Seppel but I didn't take the opportunity. So who's going to claim the kill?
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I got the same message but I had not finished reading the game and was not about to make a choice on SO till I finished my read.
I had thought you sent it to me when I saw you ask that question.
Still in catch up mod.
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3rd party (0) 0/0
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
So who did?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Sorry, really busy weekend over here.
Let me ask things this way.
Don't you think if Iso had not said anything and GD suddenly could talk without the Post Restiction there would have been 20 questions about what happened and who did it?
I would especially like Tilde to answer the question above.
Tildepost 306 That is not you giving a response what to do? I see it as you asking people what to do beside PL GD.
And guess what Iso gave an idea that you did not.
1) People are asking Iso for information. More then one. Why not attack or comment to them about fishying for info?
2) Wow such defense with so much reasoning here
3) I don't like people force feeding words into my mouth.
4) I answered the question. It wasn't "skirted". Your reaching hard there.
What about the 2 abilities says scum to you and why?
Why?
Besides the whole business about GD, what else do you have that makes you think Iso is scum that is not based on theory?
I'm a bit tired of the meta talks on tilde. The next person who handwaves the case against tilde citing meta, needs to provides links to Tilde as town and scum.
I completely feel for Iso on this. It's frustrating when you make points and all people say well that's X's meta.
Lets see these differences or if he acts like this as scum and town lets look at scum and town games for those who never played with Tilde before.
Stopped on post 401.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
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Also known at mafiascum as farside22
Try not to let too much get out of hand over the weekend, mmkay? I'll post when I'm home from work/not passed out.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Yes, I'm sure a lot of people would be asking questions, and among those questions would likely be "Did GD fake the PR?"
That's me asking everyone: "What do we want to do with GD? Policy lynching him for the PR was the LAST thing on my mind. "Besides" = "Except" in that post's context.
Iso's guilty of as well. Take a look at his first post:
That's me commenting that Iso's claiming three or more highly disparate abilities (the PR removal, the Cop investigation on GD - which makes less sense, why investigate someone he cleared the PR on? and his 3rd "mystery game-breaker ability" that doesn't work if he tells anyone what it is, and works really good if everyone else claims first.)
General belligerent behavior, namely Iso's unwillingness to co-operate with anyone and accuse anyone who looks at him funny as having scum motives. And you've got those grandiose sweeping judgements which have no apparent basis beyond "Iso Is Right And You All Must Follow Me Without Question Because Everyone Else Is Wrong".
Re: Some One - Yes, I got the PM to daykill him, but he'd already been killed before I read it.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.