I said "DID WE get an answer..."
- The question was not solely directed at him
- The question was in the past tense.
- The answer to the question would be found from information already present in the thread.
Yeah. Why not? If GD has no idea what happened and no one counter-claims him...what other possibility is there?
Actually, you said, "I would like to see an answer". Why are you lying? The quote is right up there. And once again, I didn't want g_d to get mislynched. So one mislynch later: ISO WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US YOU REMOVED HIS PR
We don't even know what Seppel is going to reveal about us on death. So I could be killed and someone could claim it later, or I could be falsely counterclaimed and lynched and there would be no indication that it was a false cc.
Or a tip of the hat to the fact that I don't take orders. A demand for content isn't exactly an argument.
Uhh. You said you were going to provide content. You didn't provide content. So when we tell you to provide content, you're not going to because we told you to because you told us you would? That's horribly juvenile and if you really expect to stay alive with such a mindset, well, good luck. You'll need it. What reason do you have to tell us you're going to provide content, not provide content, and then when we call you on it, kick and scream?
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Why wouldn't Iso use his ability unannounced if his ability seems so scummy when claimed?
That's a good question. Iso's been very adamant to not give any details on exactly HOW he removed Ganderin's PR. He's only claimed responsibility for doing so.
That's a good question. Iso's been very adamant to not give any details on exactly HOW he removed Ganderin's PR. He's only claimed responsibility for doing so.
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If you'd like to quote the post where you gave us the details on how your ability worked, please, increase my knowledge base.
And iLord. The simplest reason I can think of as to why Iso didn't use his ability anonymously is that if he did, he couldn't take the credit for doing it.
If you'd like to quote the post where you gave us the details on how your ability worked, please, increase my knowledge base.
I didn't, and I have no intention of doing so. If you'd like to stop fishing, that would be grand. If you could address the parts of my posts directly pertaining to you, that would also be fantastic. Thanks.
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And iLord. The simplest reason I can think of as to why Iso didn't use his ability anonymously is that if he did, he couldn't take the credit for doing it.
If ganderin_dan had SUDDENLY LOST HIS PR WITH NO EXPLANATION, I KNOW you would have pushed for his lynch. So I saved us that trouble, and now you need to get lynched.
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If ganderin_dan had SUDDENLY LOST HIS PR WITH NO EXPLANATION, I KNOW you would have pushed for his lynch. So I saved us that trouble, and now you need to get lynched.
[sarcasm] I'd love to see how that logic chain works. [/sarcasm]
Here's my initial response on what to do about GD, before Iso gave any hint of being able to remove the PR.
Anyone have any suggestions on what to do about Ganderin (Besides policy lynch for having his PR, because something that crippling has got to have some major compensation, unless Seppel's being a complete bastardmod this game, which I doubt) ?
Iso's response to mine (which in retrospect hints at him having the PR removal ability) :
Because ganderin_dan started the game with his PR. I did not even have access to the thread at the time he confirmed. Chronologically speaking, it is impossible. I do believe I stated that earlier.
If Iso's scum, that role makes him harder to lynch and makes it extremely difficult for whomever's targeted to play the game at all. The ability to lift it at will means...
So now what do you think, since g_d's confirmed that his PR was something he started with?
The theory that is most plausible to me, right now, is that Iso used some sort of Humility effect on GD to remove the PR, or that a scumbuddy of Iso's did it and Iso's taking the credit to garner town points.
What would be the point of the second possibility?
Why does it seem I'm the only one who sees Iso's line of play as awkward? It's like he was scum trying to earn brownie points from the town for helping out GD. But, I don't think he's scum.
...
I think there have been enough comments on this already, so I'm not going to add to them.
How would we have created such a gambit, were we both scum? If ganderin_dan flips scum, how does that change your view of my alignment? Why would dan have spent 4-5 hours researching Cyan quotes if that were the case? Why include the bit about only able to vote for people Cyan has voted for? Seems a bit elaborate to me, and once again, grasping at straws in a feeble attempt to paint me as scum. Can we lynch Tilde already?
If g_d and you were both scum, he'd obviously have been lying about the PR. Of course, that means the 4-5 hours would have been a flat-out lie.
I wish Tilde hadn't brought this back up, but yeah, I'm vanilla outside of my PR. Breadcrumbed on the post he quoted, and #74, where I answered yes to the 3rd item in his list.
[sarcasm] I'd love to see how that logic chain works. [/sarcasm]
How 'bout the fact where you were toying with the idea of pushing his lynch for policy's sake due to the PR? And how would you have reacted if WITH NO EXPLANATION, other than a message from the mod to g_d, his PR was gone? Would you have bought that? I have my doubts.
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Iso's response to mine (which in retrospect hints at him having the PR removal ability) :
Correct. I had to check with Seppel to see if I could do something about the PR, he said yes, so I did.
...
I think there have been enough comments on this already, so I'm not going to add to them.
Also, you ignored what I was asking earlier.
Opinions on Some One, overall?
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If g_d and you were both scum, he'd obviously have been lying about the PR. Of course, that means the 4-5 hours would have been a flat-out lie.
Of course. But once again, how would we have created such a gambit? What kind of explanation could we have come up with in such a short time for something of that nature? Moreover, what would the point of it be?
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I cannot take your word for it unless you can provide a reason.
That, and you're not guaranteed town, so I can't trust that.
Maybe if we have that massclaim come Day 2. If I'm dead before then, then I recommend against the massclaim. If I'm dead before then, though, since I won't be able to give you reason for why g_d is town (as I will be dead), take my word for it.
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How do you differentiate malice from "wanting to see you lynched because they think you're scum"?
Mindset and motive determination through language tells, behavioral analysis, and intuition.
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I said "DID WE get an answer..."
- The question was not solely directed at him
- The question was in the past tense.
- The answer to the question would be found from information already present in the thread.
I'm not sure what your bullet points imply. Make this simple on me: what type of answer were you looking for to your question?
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Yeah. Why not? If GD has no idea what happened and no one counter-claims him...what other possibility is there?
Dead bodies can't counterclaim.
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NO, and that's the point - that I don't think that's the case.
How did you perceive Iso's line of play to be awkward?
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How many times do I have to answer this question? >>
It was directed towards Tilde.
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And iLord. The simplest reason I can think of as to why Iso didn't use his ability anonymously is that if he did, he couldn't take the credit for doing it.
But why would he want to take credit for an ability that you immediately recognized as scummy?
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Actually, you said, "I would like to see an answer". Why are you lying?
Absolutely not. What was said did not include any of the following:
"Iso, what did you do?"
"I DEMAND ISO TO DO SOMETHING NOW!!!"
"Iso should claim"
"Vote iso blah blah blah"
You're putting words in my mouth. Or text in my poast.
@Cyouni - "So what do I believe about that?" The three of them are town & I need to look elsewhere.
I'm not sure what your bullet points imply. Make this simple on me: what type of answer were you looking for to your question?
It was basically a yes or no question.
Dead bodies can't counterclaim.
How did you perceive Iso's line of play to be awkward?
I didn't consider deaths in the idea of claiming as early as he did. The idea of someone else claiming to have removed the PR, over the dead body of Iso, just never crossed my mind. Although, I don't know how likely that is, so if you are referring to something else here LMK.
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And iLord. The simplest reason I can think of as to why Iso didn't use his ability anonymously is that if he did, he couldn't take the credit for doing it.
This has been bugging me, and is something that I can't figure out. It also is one big reason the Iso-G_d thing is fishy to me. Iso's response to this is that if g_d suddenly had no more post restriction, we would go and lynch him immediately. He said that there was no way that he was going to allow the town to mislynch (I don't believe that would have happened, but that's not relevant here), so he claimed in thread that he did it. In his mind, he just saved a townie from dying, and everyone knows that it was him. Okay. Here is what I don't get.
@ISO You said that you removed the PR from g_d because you knew he was town, and claimed that you did it so that we wouldn't kill him.
How did you know that g_d is town, before you removed his PR?
If you found out after removing his PR, then you lied about your intentions with the post where you apparently messaged Seppel.
And to address why I claimed responsibility to begin with: dan is 100% town in my mind. If he posted with this PR for his first few posts and SUDDENLY, he could talk, wouldn't you wonder what the hell happened? Would you not be suspicious of him? I claimed the responsibility of removing his PR because I didn't want dan to get mislynched on the chance that everyone was like, "HAY WTF HAPEND???"
Oh, so funny story. You have a read?! Sir, the word confirm does not mean what you think it means. So when exactly did you develop this soul read? I want the exact post, as it is relevant to this timeline.
In other news, SO is fence-sitting so hard that its almost looks like he is trying. Don't like him either.
This has been bugging me, and is something that I can't figure out. It also is one big reason the Iso-G_d thing is fishy to me. Iso's response to this is that if g_d suddenly had no more post restriction, we would go and lynch him immediately. He said that there was no way that he was going to allow the town to mislynch (I don't believe that would have happened, but that's not relevant here), so he claimed in thread that he did it. In his mind, he just saved a townie from dying, and everyone knows that it was him. Okay. Here is what I don't get.
@ISO You said that you removed the PR from g_d because you knew he was town, and claimed that you did it so that we wouldn't kill him.
How did you know that g_d is town, before you removed his PR?
If you found out after removing his PR, then you lied about your intentions with the post where you apparently messaged Seppel.
If you knew before, are you some kind of day cop?
Oh, so funny story. You have a read?! Sir, the word confirm does not mean what you think it means. So when exactly did you develop this soul read? I want the exact post, as it is relevant to this timeline.
This entire post is one giant fishing expedition and I will not be responding to it. Just know that if I die, dan is indeed CONFIRMED town.
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In other news, SO is fence-sitting so hard that its almost looks like he is trying. Don't like him either.
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Did we not get a direct answer from Iso as to WTF happened for him to get GD to talk?
I have MUCH more to say on this topic, but would love that question to be answered first.
How would a simple yes-or-no answer give you "MUCH more" to say on the topic?
You're lying. Unvote, Vote: Some One
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I didn't consider deaths in the idea of claiming as early as he did. The idea of someone else claiming to have removed the PR, over the dead body of Iso, just never crossed my mind. Although, I don't know how likely that is, so if you are referring to something else here LMK.
I'm not really concerned with your present perceptions. What did you mean when you perceived his behavior as "awkward?"
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I had a read at first and now mechanical knowledge. I am not being inconsistent and you need to stop fishing.
No, this is important, and relevant to my ability. Are you a Cop (Role, Name, etc.) of any sort? It is critical that you tell me if so. I can aid you in a huge way if so.
No, this is important, and relevant to my ability. Are you a Cop (Role, Name, etc.) of any sort? It is critical that you tell me if so. I can aid you in a huge way if so.
Unless your aid can somehow protect both you and Iso at night, I highly suggest you cease this line of questioning.
How would a simple yes-or-no answer give you "MUCH more" to say on the topic?
You're lying. Unvote, Vote: Some One
If it's not abundantly obvious, I don't have much free time. I didn't want to have missed something important in this regard. It really is that simple.
I'm not really concerned with your present perceptions. What did you mean when you perceived his behavior as "awkward?"
I initially couldn't understand why he did what he did, thus, "awkward."
If it's not abundantly obvious, I don't have much free time. I didn't want to have missed something important in this regard. It really is that simple.
This does nothing to explain how a yes-or-no answer would permit you to say "MUCH more."
No, this is important, and relevant to my ability. Are you a Cop (Role, Name, etc.) of any sort? It is critical that you tell me if so. I can aid you in a huge way if so.
I am not giving any information about my ability until everyone else claims before me.
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This does nothing to explain how a yes-or-no answer would permit you to say "MUCH more."
If you start an explanation of something on a basis of some info...and then that info happens to be wrong...it defeats the purpose entirely.
It hinged on the fact I couldn't understand why Iso did what he did & I wanted to see if he really did claim responsibility without divulging more. But, now I do understand his logic for that exact line of play.
There was that post IDR who called me out for "fence-sitting" and what I wrote there was my initial thought on the matter.
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Of course. But once again, how would we have created such a gambit? What kind of explanation could we have come up with in such a short time for something of that nature? Moreover, what would the point of it be?
I've seen games where the scum were allowed to talk before the game started, without an official Night 0.
I'm not quite sure what the point would be, but I'm not going to dismiss it as a possibility. Improbable, but possible.
Maybe if we have that massclaim come Day 2. If I'm dead before then, then I recommend against the massclaim. If I'm dead before then, though, since I won't be able to give you reason for why g_d is town (as I will be dead), take my word for it.
Duly noted. I'll just take a note for later, then.
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Whaddya mean? I answered his question as to why it was impossible. You started the game with the PR, yes?
This should've said his first point towards you, in the post I was referring to.
They're not crackpot conspiracy theories, they're just dead wrong and he knows it. Why are you waving off his behavior? Tilde is hoping to get me lynched, and that should be obvious by now, though it should be evident that none of his "theories" hold any merit by the responses I have provided to them.
On the topic of ganderin's #240, I received from it the distinct sense of a predator pouncing upon weakness. After Some One's #235, he attacked unnecessarily each statement from Some One's post, even the relatively innocuous statements like Some One's comment regarding Anaklusmos.
Predator pouncing upon weakness is a fine analogy. Weak scum.
So you were concerned that without your post, we would have lost Activity Points?
This situation strikes me as somewhat eager & inexperienced town looking to move the game forward, with a lack of understanding of the consequences (considering the manner it was done in)
You didn't have to bring this up. We were being purposely vague so as to not out you either way. And I don't see how being vanilla necessitates your lynch?
I didn't, and I have no intention of doing so. If you'd like to stop fishing, that would be grand. If you could address the parts of my posts directly pertaining to you, that would also be fantastic. Thanks.
Ya know, you did ask ME for MY flavor. Why can't we know yours?
No, this is important, and relevant to my ability. Are you a Cop (Role, Name, etc.) of any sort? It is critical that you tell me if so. I can aid you in a huge way if so.
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If you start an explanation of something on a basis of some info...and then that info happens to be wrong...it defeats the purpose entirely.
It hinged on the fact I couldn't understand why Iso did what he did & I wanted to see if he really did claim responsibility without divulging more. But, now I do understand his logic for that exact line of play.
There was that post IDR who called me out for "fence-sitting" and what I wrote there was my initial thought on the matter.
Normally, yes, it is possible that an explanation can be based upon the answer to a single question. In this case, however, there is no way that a simple yes-or-no answer to whether Iso provided more info could permit you post "MUCH more." Especially considering that you have not yet provided the promised "MUCH more" even though your query has purportedly been answered.
You're lying through your teeth. For those those who have been following along, here's the course of events so far:
SO: Did Iso ever provide more info on what he did? I have MUCH more I want to say depending on the answer to this question.
SO: Also I think Iso's play here has been scummy.
Others: Stop fishing.
SO: I never asked Iso to provide the info. I simply asked whether or not he provided more info. And I don't think Iso's scum.
Others: Your stance on Iso doesn't make sense. How could you perceive his play as scummy but then say you don't think he's scum?
ME: How could a yes-or-no answer to whether Iso provided info allow you to provide "MUCH more?"
SO: I was confused about what Iso was doing and whether or not he provided info could somehow ease my confusion. Also, my conflicting opinions were just my initial thoughts on the matter.
Others: But what was the point of saying Iso's acting like scum and then saying you think he's town?
ME: That doesn't make any sense. Since your question has supposedly been answered, where is this "MUCH more" that you have to say?
I fully support a Some One lynch.
Without a genuine opinion on Iso, he took a tentative negative position. When this was not well-received, he quickly tried to soften it, backtracking and reversing his stance. When called out on this, he has been unable to provide a satisfactory explanation for either reversal. His position on Iso is blatant fencesitting at best, while his semantic argument concerning his fishing attempt is an indisputable fabrication.
I would like the many people who have vaguely mentioned some suspicion of him to take a position.
Just out of curiosity, how do you perceive RVS's normally end?
Your mis-interperating what i said. I said that when the RVS ends in such manner as this, the person who ended it is more than likely scum. RVS' end in may different ways with many different tells. I was only concerned with proving that ending the RVS with calling someone scummy or pushing something as scummy from the RVS hard is why i attacked pinky so hard for her RVS stuff.
I would argue that Sepiriel's outrageous accusations forced me into responding - I initially ignored them, as he pointed out.
Still, when exactly the RVS ends is very fuzzy, and can be defined in any number of ways. I'd say it's when the first serious vote is made, but you seem to be saying that it ends when everyone has stopped randomly voting. In any case, I do not believe you are correct that scum tend to try to end the RVS.
Also, you want to bold your vote.
Ether way i do remember the exchange between you 2 having ended the RVS abruptly. What i read is that others think Sep was joking and it's your push otherwise that shows she wasn't.
And again, scum don't always try to end the rvs, but when they it in the way i saw pinky end the RVS here.
Concern, not the word I would used. I would say I did it based on theory and evalution. Both were a factor when I made my question.
Dislike your contined attempt to skirt properly answering a question here. You keep adding reasons as to why you did what you did, but it was your 1st post! 2 hours into the game!
Why does it seem I'm the only one who sees Iso's line of play as awkward? It's like he was scum trying to earn brownie points from the town for helping out GD. But, I don't think he's scum.
I'll go on the record here as well as not liking this post.
I will also be claiming last to optimize massclaim efficiency. I have my reasons that I will not be sharing until I claim and I will consider any actions taken to oust further information about my ability as anti-town.
Once more and we are policy lynching you for vomitting role info. Stop. Now.
Can you stop trying to do a dance with me? I feel very much like your trying to lead me. I stated why I did my question. I did the RVS for multiple reason's.
Not just one reason.
I did it for reaction
I did it because of the rules and getting discussion going
I did it because I'm not used to people that vote for no reason and the few times I have run across it people were scum.
I don't know if anyone else would start a discussion. I don't think about those things and I don't see the point of not asking questions and moving past the RVS stage quickly.
Dislike this post much for the same reasons as above.
Why wouldn't Iso use his ability unannounced if his ability seems so scummy when claimed?
It is not that claiming it is scummy. It is neutral as always. The problem is that claiming it doesn't really do anything positive for the town, while not-claiming it is more deceptive but seemingly more townie. I maintain that for now its still null for both players. The only thing i'm willing to say is that GD is more than likely town for having the PR.
Is this directed towards me? Because if so, I strongly disagree. It's fishing to ask for more information than what is available on a Need-To-Know basis. Presently, none of you need to know more about my ability than I've revealed, and I intend to keep it that way for now. I explained why I outed the fact that I removed gan_dan's PR. Asking for more information than that is fishing.
When you stop volunterring role info and crumbs, we'll stop asking you about your role. Deal?
And haven't you since used a second ability to confirm g_d?
So, what, Iso's got at least 3 abilities, 2 of which he's used on GD (1 to clear the PR and the 2nd to "confirm him as town") and a third, which he has to wait until at least tonight to use, and would be rendered ineffective if anyone knew what it was, and which he says would be MORE effective if everyone else would kindly go ahead and claim for no reason other than to let him "break the game wide open" because he's Iso and We Should Trust Him Over All Else?
Your mis-interperating what i said. I said that when the RVS ends in such manner as this, the person who ended it is more than likely scum. RVS' end in may different ways with many different tells. I was only concerned with proving that ending the RVS with calling someone scummy or pushing something as scummy from the RVS hard is why i attacked pinky so hard for her RVS stuff.
I'm not sure whether or not you answered my question. Are you saying that RVS's typically end when a player calls out another player for one of "many different tells?"
Normally, yes, it is possible that an explanation can be based upon the answer to a single question. In this case, however, there is no way that a simple yes-or-no answer to whether Iso provided more info could permit you post "MUCH more." Especially considering that you have not yet provided the promised "MUCH more" even though your query has purportedly been answered.
Also, this. We still have yet to see SO produce anything at all as a result of the question he wanted answered, much less something that could be described as "MUCH more".
Normally, yes, it is possible that an explanation can be based upon the answer to a single question. In this case, however, there is no way that a simple yes-or-no answer to whether Iso provided more info could permit you post "MUCH more." Especially considering that you have not yet provided the promised "MUCH more" even though your query has purportedly been answered.
I'm glad you understand. If I felt he was scum, then I would have made a case.
You're lying through your teeth. For those those who have been following along, here's the course of events so far:
SO: Did Iso ever provide more info on what he did? I have MUCH more I want to say depending on the answer to this question.
SO: Also I think Iso's play here has been scummy.
Others: Stop fishing.
SO: I never asked Iso to provide the info. I simply asked whether or not he provided more info. And I don't think Iso's scum.
Others: Your stance on Iso doesn't make sense. How could you perceive his play as scummy but then say you don't think he's scum?
ME: How could a yes-or-no answer to whether Iso provided info allow you to provide "MUCH more?"
SO: I was confused about what Iso was doing and whether or not he provided info could somehow ease my confusion. Also, my conflicting opinions were just my initial thoughts on the matter.
Others: But what was the point of saying Iso's acting like scum and then saying you think he's town?
ME: That doesn't make any sense. Since your question has supposedly been answered, where is this "MUCH more" that you have to say?
I fully support a Some One lynch.
So what am I lying about, again? I provided the basic argument for what I would have said in the event that he didn't have a logical reason for what he did.
Without a genuine opinion on Iso, he took a tentative negative position.
Yes, I felt exactly how I said I felt.
When this was not well-received, he quickly tried to soften it, backtracking and reversing his stance.
Or, how about, when I understood why he did what he did. You're also mis-ordering the events, here.
When called out on this, he has been unable to provide a satisfactory explanation for either reversal.
This is the, third time?, I've said it.
His position on Iso is blatant fencesitting at best, while his semantic argument concerning his fishing attempt is an indisputable fabrication.
I haven't been fence-sitting since I understood what he did.
I would like the many people who have vaguely mentioned some suspicion of him to take a position.
I would like you to understand where I'm coming from.
@iLord - do you not believe I didn't initially understand his actions? Do you understand the context of the post where I called his actions as if he were scum?
The bottom-line: I originally did not understand why Iso did what he did and I thought it was scummy to have claimed. However, perfectly logical reasonings were provided and now I do not think he was scum, and have not thought he was scum since he made it clear to me why he did what he did. I highlighted what would have been the basis for a case had I not thought it made sense for him to have claimed.
I'm glad you understand. If I felt he was scum, then I would have made a case.
What sort of response is this? You haven't explained how the yes-or-no answer to your question can permit you to post "MUCH more," nor where that "MUCH more" is right now since your question has purportedly been answered.
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@iLord - do you not believe I didn't initially understand his actions? Do you understand the context of the post where I called his actions as if he were scum?
You probably didn't understand Iso's actions at the beginning, hence why I believe you initially intended to ask about what Iso did. That would make much more since than asking only whether Iso said any more about his actions and supposedly not wanting Iso to actually reveal anything about his actions.
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The bottom-line: I originally did not understand why Iso did what he did and I thought it was scummy to have claimed. However, perfectly logical reasonings were provided and now I do not think he was scum, and have not thought he was scum since he made it clear to me why he did what he did. I highlighted what would have been the basis for a case had I not thought it made sense for him to have claimed.
This is patently false. Looking at the actual progression:
You first made your claim in Post #238, citing that Iso's behavior "bothers" you. Since you said that your initially thought he was scummy for claiming, and this is the first mention of Iso being scummy, I safely assume that at this point you still supposedly believe Iso is scummy.
Iso's following #239 mentions only that Some One was fishing and that he was not going to answer your question.
ganderin's #240 calls Some One out again for fishing, again providing no "perfectly logical reasonings" for Iso's behavior.
My post #241 makes no mention of Iso.
And then suddenly, in #242, you post again, now saying that you don't think Iso's scum.
There was simply no explanation whatsoever in the span of the three between your reversal that could have possibly changed your mind. All of the posts are there for anyone to examine - it's clear as day that the reason you provided is indisputably false.
This is patently false. Looking at the actual progression:
You first made your claim in Post #238, citing that Iso's behavior "bothers" you. Since you said that your initially thought he was scummy for claiming, and this is the first mention of Iso being scummy, I safely assume that at this point you still supposedly believe Iso is scummy.
Iso's following #239 mentions only that Some One was fishing and that he was not going to answer your question.
ganderin's #240 calls Some One out again for fishing, again providing no "perfectly logical reasonings" for Iso's behavior.
My post #241 makes no mention of Iso.
And then suddenly, in #242, you post again, now saying that you don't think Iso's scum.
There was simply no explanation whatsoever in the span of the three between your reversal that could have possibly changed your mind. All of the posts are there for anyone to examine - it's clear as day that the reason you provided is indisputably false.
Accurate.
Also @iLord, if you don't really find the relation here, then you don't think town should respond to cases made against them? I know if a case is put up towards me, I'm going to try to refute it. Not even acknowledging it just doesn't seem like a prudent course of action, even if it's not addressed directly at you. As Iso has said, though, cases are normally made to persuade the masses, and if one doesn't try to counteract that, it goes a long way towards hanging.
Also @iLord, if you don't really find the relation here, then you don't think town should respond to cases made against them? I know if a case is put up towards me, I'm going to try to refute it. Not even acknowledging it just doesn't seem like a prudent course of action, even if it's not addressed directly at you. As Iso has said, though, cases are normally made to persuade the masses, and if one doesn't try to counteract that, it goes a long way towards hanging.
Some cases are meant to be responded to - these typically are characterized by direct questions that the attacker means for the target to answer. For these cases, it is essential that the target himself, and not another player, responds. Other times the case is dominated by interpretations. These are more typically addressed to the town as a whole in an effort to persuade it one way or another. In response to these type of cases, the target can do little to defend other than asserting that the attacker's claims are incorrect. Though frequently the target responds anyway (a natural mentality when someone is attacking you), the casemaker often wants and expects other players to voice their opinions as well.
What sort of response is this? You haven't explained how the yes-or-no answer to your question can permit you to post "MUCH more," nor where that "MUCH more" is right now since your question has purportedly been answered.
I clearly did - I said it could have prompted a case.
You probably didn't understand Iso's actions at the beginning, hence why I believe you initially intended to ask about what Iso did. That would make much more since than asking only whether Iso said any more about his actions and supposedly not wanting Iso to actually reveal anything about his actions.
No it doesn't. I didn't want him to say more.
This is patently false. Looking at the actual progression:
You first made your claim in Post #238, citing that Iso's behavior "bothers" you. Since you said that your initially thought he was scummy for claiming, and this is the first mention of Iso being scummy, I safely assume that at this point you still supposedly believe Iso is scummy.
Iso's following #239 mentions only that Some One was fishing and that he was not going to answer your question.
ganderin's #240 calls Some One out again for fishing, again providing no "perfectly logical reasonings" for Iso's behavior.
My post #241 makes no mention of Iso.
And then suddenly, in #242, you post again, now saying that you don't think Iso's scum.
There was simply no explanation whatsoever in the span of the three between your reversal that could have possibly changed your mind. All of the posts are there for anyone to examine - it's clear as day that the reason you provided is indisputably false.
I did not first make the claim in 238 and therefore the rest of this nonsense is invalid. The existence of 235 and 237 overrules your entire argument. This is not the first time you have fabricated statements in your futile attempt to compile a case against me.
I clearly did - I said it could have prompted a case.
Suppose the answer is yes, Iso did talk more about what he did. What was your case?
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No it doesn't. I didn't want him to say more.
You simply cannot reconcile wanting to resolve your confusion and not wanting him to say more. If you cannot resolve your confusion yourself, there is not way Iso can do so without providing more information.
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I did not first make the claim in 238 and therefore the rest of this nonsense is invalid. The existence of 235 and 237 overrules your entire argument. This is not the first time you have fabricated statements in your futile attempt to compile a case against me.
No where in your #235 do you mention that you believe Iso's behavior to be scummy. No where in Tilde's #237 does he explain Iso's behavior.
So, what, Iso's got at least 3 abilities, 2 of which he's used on GD (1 to clear the PR and the 2nd to "confirm him as town") and a third, which he has to wait until at least tonight to use, and would be rendered ineffective if anyone knew what it was, and which he says would be MORE effective if everyone else would kindly go ahead and claim for no reason other than to let him "break the game wide open" because he's Iso and We Should Trust Him Over All Else?
I've heard enough.
Vote Iso
Oh, HELL no. Tilde CLEARLY wants me at L-2 so I am forced to claim. Because he's TERRIFIED SCUM. LOOK AT THIS MASSIVE FISHING EXPEDITION. Can we just lynch Tilde already? :| I've presented my case, nobody has presented a rebuttal sans meta, there is no logical reason Tilde should still be alive. SERIOUSLY.
Some One can wait until tomorrow.
Just please put your paranoia aside for ONE DAY and lynch Tilde. We have sufficient evidence to lynch Some One tomorrow. Tilde is a MAJOR THREAT to the town. We NEED TO GET RID OF HIM. NOW.
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Just please put your paranoia aside for ONE DAY and lynch Tilde. We have sufficient evidence to lynch Some One tomorrow. Tilde is a MAJOR THREAT to the town. We NEED TO GET RID OF HIM. NOW.
I find it hard to believe that Tilde is a major threat to the town or that you will be forced to claim today by his actions. You're overreacting.
How many times do I have to answer this question? >>
Actually, you said, "I would like to see an answer". Why are you lying? The quote is right up there. And once again, I didn't want g_d to get mislynched. So one mislynch later: ISO WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL US YOU REMOVED HIS PR
We don't even know what Seppel is going to reveal about us on death. So I could be killed and someone could claim it later, or I could be falsely counterclaimed and lynched and there would be no indication that it was a false cc.
Uhh. You said you were going to provide content. You didn't provide content. So when we tell you to provide content, you're not going to because we told you to because you told us you would? That's horribly juvenile and if you really expect to stay alive with such a mindset, well, good luck. You'll need it. What reason do you have to tell us you're going to provide content, not provide content, and then when we call you on it, kick and scream?
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That's a good question. Iso's been very adamant to not give any details on exactly HOW he removed Ganderin's PR. He's only claimed responsibility for doing so.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Are you even reading my posts at this point?
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If you'd like to quote the post where you gave us the details on how your ability worked, please, increase my knowledge base.
And iLord. The simplest reason I can think of as to why Iso didn't use his ability anonymously is that if he did, he couldn't take the credit for doing it.
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I didn't, and I have no intention of doing so. If you'd like to stop fishing, that would be grand. If you could address the parts of my posts directly pertaining to you, that would also be fantastic. Thanks.
If ganderin_dan had SUDDENLY LOST HIS PR WITH NO EXPLANATION, I KNOW you would have pushed for his lynch. So I saved us that trouble, and now you need to get lynched.
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[sarcasm] I'd love to see how that logic chain works. [/sarcasm]
Here's my initial response on what to do about GD, before Iso gave any hint of being able to remove the PR.
Iso's response to mine (which in retrospect hints at him having the PR removal ability) :
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
So now what do you think, since g_d's confirmed that his PR was something he started with?
What would be the point of the second possibility?
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I think there have been enough comments on this already, so I'm not going to add to them.
Also, you ignored what I was asking earlier.
If g_d and you were both scum, he'd obviously have been lying about the PR. Of course, that means the 4-5 hours would have been a flat-out lie.
I cannot take your word for it unless you can provide a reason.
That, and you're not guaranteed town, so I can't trust that.
How do you differentiate malice from "wanting to see you lynched because they think you're scum"?
Has this been true for the whole game?
Hm.
Interesting.
Note: Look into this later, when Iso's actually revealed his ability.
How 'bout the fact where you were toying with the idea of pushing his lynch for policy's sake due to the PR? And how would you have reacted if WITH NO EXPLANATION, other than a message from the mod to g_d, his PR was gone? Would you have bought that? I have my doubts.
Correct. I had to check with Seppel to see if I could do something about the PR, he said yes, so I did.
Opinions on Some One, overall?
Of course. But once again, how would we have created such a gambit? What kind of explanation could we have come up with in such a short time for something of that nature? Moreover, what would the point of it be?
Maybe if we have that massclaim come Day 2. If I'm dead before then, then I recommend against the massclaim. If I'm dead before then, though, since I won't be able to give you reason for why g_d is town (as I will be dead), take my word for it.
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I'm not sure what your bullet points imply. Make this simple on me: what type of answer were you looking for to your question?
Dead bodies can't counterclaim.
How did you perceive Iso's line of play to be awkward?
It was directed towards Tilde.
But why would he want to take credit for an ability that you immediately recognized as scummy?
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But the answer was in the thread.
I'm more curious as to what basis Tilde is claiming it to be scummy on.
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Absolutely not. What was said did not include any of the following:
"Iso, what did you do?"
"I DEMAND ISO TO DO SOMETHING NOW!!!"
"Iso should claim"
"Vote iso blah blah blah"
You're putting words in my mouth. Or text in my poast.
@Cyouni - "So what do I believe about that?" The three of them are town & I need to look elsewhere.
It was basically a yes or no question.
I didn't consider deaths in the idea of claiming as early as he did. The idea of someone else claiming to have removed the PR, over the dead body of Iso, just never crossed my mind. Although, I don't know how likely that is, so if you are referring to something else here LMK.
I can see how I could misinterpret that. Not entirely convinced, however.
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This has been bugging me, and is something that I can't figure out. It also is one big reason the Iso-G_d thing is fishy to me. Iso's response to this is that if g_d suddenly had no more post restriction, we would go and lynch him immediately. He said that there was no way that he was going to allow the town to mislynch (I don't believe that would have happened, but that's not relevant here), so he claimed in thread that he did it. In his mind, he just saved a townie from dying, and everyone knows that it was him. Okay. Here is what I don't get.
@ISO You said that you removed the PR from g_d because you knew he was town, and claimed that you did it so that we wouldn't kill him.
How did you know that g_d is town, before you removed his PR?
If you found out after removing his PR, then you lied about your intentions with the post where you apparently messaged Seppel.
If you knew before, are you some kind of day cop?
Oh, so funny story. You have a read?! Sir, the word confirm does not mean what you think it means. So when exactly did you develop this soul read? I want the exact post, as it is relevant to this timeline.
In other news, SO is fence-sitting so hard that its almost looks like he is trying. Don't like him either.
This entire post is one giant fishing expedition and I will not be responding to it. Just know that if I die, dan is indeed CONFIRMED town.
This, I can agree with.
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Referring back to you're original post:
How would a simple yes-or-no answer give you "MUCH more" to say on the topic?
You're lying. Unvote, Vote: Some One
I'm not really concerned with your present perceptions. What did you mean when you perceived his behavior as "awkward?"
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Then, explain why you said you had a read, and not mechanical. This isn't fishing. You are not being consistent, and I am not about to let it go.
I had a read at first and now mechanical knowledge. I am not being inconsistent and you need to stop fishing.
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No, this is important, and relevant to my ability. Are you a Cop (Role, Name, etc.) of any sort? It is critical that you tell me if so. I can aid you in a huge way if so.
Unless your aid can somehow protect both you and Iso at night, I highly suggest you cease this line of questioning.
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If it's not abundantly obvious, I don't have much free time. I didn't want to have missed something important in this regard. It really is that simple.
I initially couldn't understand why he did what he did, thus, "awkward."
This does nothing to explain how a yes-or-no answer would permit you to say "MUCH more."
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I am not giving any information about my ability until everyone else claims before me.
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If you start an explanation of something on a basis of some info...and then that info happens to be wrong...it defeats the purpose entirely.
It hinged on the fact I couldn't understand why Iso did what he did & I wanted to see if he really did claim responsibility without divulging more. But, now I do understand his logic for that exact line of play.
There was that post IDR who called me out for "fence-sitting" and what I wrote there was my initial thought on the matter.
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I've seen games where the scum were allowed to talk before the game started, without an official Night 0.
I'm not quite sure what the point would be, but I'm not going to dismiss it as a possibility. Improbable, but possible.
Duly noted. I'll just take a note for later, then.
Then why are there lines like "it feels like Iso is scum doing this stuff to look town" that have to be followed by "but I don't think he's scum"?
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This should've said his first point towards you, in the post I was referring to.
Like I said, ~ being ~
Predator pouncing upon weakness is a fine analogy. Weak scum.
This situation strikes me as somewhat eager & inexperienced town looking to move the game forward, with a lack of understanding of the consequences (considering the manner it was done in)
Tell me how this is vague:
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It was already out there. My being lynched prevents other PR's from being revealed via claims.
And the 2nd point concerning SO's post has been rehashed, but the language is awful. Seems purposefully incorrect, almost.
You could've worded it much differently to convey this.
Ya know, you did ask ME for MY flavor. Why can't we know yours?
I don't think this ensures him as town, but I think I'm confirmed through this.
What strikes you as interesting about this?
I like this section of this post. Soulreading me based off of Cyan quotes? Not sure why this wasn't brought up earlier. Yes, SO is fencesitting.
Stop this now, please.
Subtle promotion of a massclaim?
Because my ability will be rendered ineffective if people know what it is before I can use it.
I had my reasons.
Not subtle at all. I directly stated that I was in favor of a Day 2 massclaim.
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Normally, yes, it is possible that an explanation can be based upon the answer to a single question. In this case, however, there is no way that a simple yes-or-no answer to whether Iso provided more info could permit you post "MUCH more." Especially considering that you have not yet provided the promised "MUCH more" even though your query has purportedly been answered.
You're lying through your teeth. For those those who have been following along, here's the course of events so far:
SO: Also I think Iso's play here has been scummy.
Others: Stop fishing.
SO: I never asked Iso to provide the info. I simply asked whether or not he provided more info. And I don't think Iso's scum.
Others: Your stance on Iso doesn't make sense. How could you perceive his play as scummy but then say you don't think he's scum?
ME: How could a yes-or-no answer to whether Iso provided info allow you to provide "MUCH more?"
SO: I was confused about what Iso was doing and whether or not he provided info could somehow ease my confusion. Also, my conflicting opinions were just my initial thoughts on the matter.
Others: But what was the point of saying Iso's acting like scum and then saying you think he's town?
ME: That doesn't make any sense. Since your question has supposedly been answered, where is this "MUCH more" that you have to say?
I fully support a Some One lynch.
Without a genuine opinion on Iso, he took a tentative negative position. When this was not well-received, he quickly tried to soften it, backtracking and reversing his stance. When called out on this, he has been unable to provide a satisfactory explanation for either reversal. His position on Iso is blatant fencesitting at best, while his semantic argument concerning his fishing attempt is an indisputable fabrication.
I would like the many people who have vaguely mentioned some suspicion of him to take a position.
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Haven't you already used your ability to get rid of GR's post restriction?
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
And haven't you since used a second ability to confirm g_d?
Policy lynch protocol 2 activated. Stop. leaking. role. info. into. the. thread. period. period.
Your mis-interperating what i said. I said that when the RVS ends in such manner as this, the person who ended it is more than likely scum. RVS' end in may different ways with many different tells. I was only concerned with proving that ending the RVS with calling someone scummy or pushing something as scummy from the RVS hard is why i attacked pinky so hard for her RVS stuff.
Ether way i do remember the exchange between you 2 having ended the RVS abruptly. What i read is that others think Sep was joking and it's your push otherwise that shows she wasn't.
And again, scum don't always try to end the rvs, but when they it in the way i saw pinky end the RVS here.
Yep and i called your reasoning crap. here's the bolded vote Vote WOD.
Pardon me but why should we take your word for it if you won't claim why your 100%
Dislike your contined attempt to skirt properly answering a question here. You keep adding reasons as to why you did what you did, but it was your 1st post! 2 hours into the game!
I'll go on the record here as well as not liking this post.
Once more and we are policy lynching you for vomitting role info. Stop. Now.
Dislike this post much for the same reasons as above.
It is not that claiming it is scummy. It is neutral as always. The problem is that claiming it doesn't really do anything positive for the town, while not-claiming it is more deceptive but seemingly more townie. I maintain that for now its still null for both players. The only thing i'm willing to say is that GD is more than likely town for having the PR.
When you stop volunterring role info and crumbs, we'll stop asking you about your role. Deal?
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
So, what, Iso's got at least 3 abilities, 2 of which he's used on GD (1 to clear the PR and the 2nd to "confirm him as town") and a third, which he has to wait until at least tonight to use, and would be rendered ineffective if anyone knew what it was, and which he says would be MORE effective if everyone else would kindly go ahead and claim for no reason other than to let him "break the game wide open" because he's Iso and We Should Trust Him Over All Else?
I've heard enough.
Vote Iso
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Your opinion on a Some One lynch?
I'm not sure whether or not you answered my question. Are you saying that RVS's typically end when a player calls out another player for one of "many different tells?"
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Stop ignoring me
My point is that you are presenting two contradictory views. If you think Iso is town, why did you say:
The only explanation is that you're leaving the door open for someone to agree with that statement, and for you to change your mind.
You've not even said why you think Iso is town, despite him performing an action you saw as scummy. What did he do to overturn your initial read?
Alright, "argument" was a bad word, but brushing off calls for content is hardly a point in your favour.
Also, this. We still have yet to see SO produce anything at all as a result of the question he wanted answered, much less something that could be described as "MUCH more".
I'm glad you understand. If I felt he was scum, then I would have made a case.
So what am I lying about, again? I provided the basic argument for what I would have said in the event that he didn't have a logical reason for what he did.
Yes, I felt exactly how I said I felt.
Or, how about, when I understood why he did what he did. You're also mis-ordering the events, here.
This is the, third time?, I've said it.
I haven't been fence-sitting since I understood what he did.
I would like you to understand where I'm coming from.
@iLord - do you not believe I didn't initially understand his actions? Do you understand the context of the post where I called his actions as if he were scum?
The bottom-line: I originally did not understand why Iso did what he did and I thought it was scummy to have claimed. However, perfectly logical reasonings were provided and now I do not think he was scum, and have not thought he was scum since he made it clear to me why he did what he did. I highlighted what would have been the basis for a case had I not thought it made sense for him to have claimed.
What sort of response is this? You haven't explained how the yes-or-no answer to your question can permit you to post "MUCH more," nor where that "MUCH more" is right now since your question has purportedly been answered.
You probably didn't understand Iso's actions at the beginning, hence why I believe you initially intended to ask about what Iso did. That would make much more since than asking only whether Iso said any more about his actions and supposedly not wanting Iso to actually reveal anything about his actions.
This is patently false. Looking at the actual progression:
You first made your claim in Post #238, citing that Iso's behavior "bothers" you. Since you said that your initially thought he was scummy for claiming, and this is the first mention of Iso being scummy, I safely assume that at this point you still supposedly believe Iso is scummy.
Iso's following #239 mentions only that Some One was fishing and that he was not going to answer your question.
ganderin's #240 calls Some One out again for fishing, again providing no "perfectly logical reasonings" for Iso's behavior.
My post #241 makes no mention of Iso.
And then suddenly, in #242, you post again, now saying that you don't think Iso's scum.
There was simply no explanation whatsoever in the span of the three between your reversal that could have possibly changed your mind. All of the posts are there for anyone to examine - it's clear as day that the reason you provided is indisputably false.
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What?
Accurate.
Also @iLord, if you don't really find the relation here, then you don't think town should respond to cases made against them? I know if a case is put up towards me, I'm going to try to refute it. Not even acknowledging it just doesn't seem like a prudent course of action, even if it's not addressed directly at you. As Iso has said, though, cases are normally made to persuade the masses, and if one doesn't try to counteract that, it goes a long way towards hanging.
I refer you too...
Some cases are meant to be responded to - these typically are characterized by direct questions that the attacker means for the target to answer. For these cases, it is essential that the target himself, and not another player, responds. Other times the case is dominated by interpretations. These are more typically addressed to the town as a whole in an effort to persuade it one way or another. In response to these type of cases, the target can do little to defend other than asserting that the attacker's claims are incorrect. Though frequently the target responds anyway (a natural mentality when someone is attacking you), the casemaker often wants and expects other players to voice their opinions as well.
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Still waiting for your opinion on a Some One lynch.
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I clearly did - I said it could have prompted a case.
No it doesn't. I didn't want him to say more.
I did not first make the claim in 238 and therefore the rest of this nonsense is invalid. The existence of 235 and 237 overrules your entire argument. This is not the first time you have fabricated statements in your futile attempt to compile a case against me.
Suppose the answer is yes, Iso did talk more about what he did. What was your case?
You simply cannot reconcile wanting to resolve your confusion and not wanting him to say more. If you cannot resolve your confusion yourself, there is not way Iso can do so without providing more information.
No where in your #235 do you mention that you believe Iso's behavior to be scummy. No where in Tilde's #237 does he explain Iso's behavior.
You're grasping at straws here.
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:fish::fish::fish:
:fish::fish::fish::fish::fish:
Mooom, make them stop fishing.
Sounds good to me.
Oh, HELL no. Tilde CLEARLY wants me at L-2 so I am forced to claim. Because he's TERRIFIED SCUM. LOOK AT THIS MASSIVE FISHING EXPEDITION. Can we just lynch Tilde already? :| I've presented my case, nobody has presented a rebuttal sans meta, there is no logical reason Tilde should still be alive. SERIOUSLY.
Some One can wait until tomorrow.
Just please put your paranoia aside for ONE DAY and lynch Tilde. We have sufficient evidence to lynch Some One tomorrow. Tilde is a MAJOR THREAT to the town. We NEED TO GET RID OF HIM. NOW.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I find it hard to believe that Tilde is a major threat to the town or that you will be forced to claim today by his actions. You're overreacting.
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