Why do you want to lynch yourself again? If it's solely because you have a posting restriction, quote the "Of all the ideas I have heard, this one sounds rather absurd."
Otherwise, find an appropriate quote?
My PR has been lifted, assumingly by Iso, considering he was the one that prompted it.
God, that was a massive waste of time. I spent about 4-5 hours reading every one of Cyan's posts in the past 2.75 years of mafia games (since 2009) and compiling over 4 pages of quotes. All for naught!
My PR has been lifted, assumingly by Iso, considering he was the one that prompted it.
God, that was a massive waste of time. I spent about 4-5 hours reading every one of Cyan's posts in the past 2.75 years of mafia games (since 2009) and compiling over 4 pages of quotes. All for naught!
Suddenly it all makes sense. Now that you are able to articulate yourself, care to elaborate on what you were trying to say about Iso and Pinky?
I know Pinky is very new around here, but from what I've seen, she has a supernaturally good gut, so I'm totally barning her on this. Arcadic has been way over-aggressive, and in my humble opinion, she hit the nail on the head, and he's definitely worth pursuing.
To be explicit, I was originally only allowed to speak in quotes or copy/pasting complete posts from Cyan, and not editing anyone's posts I quoted in this thread. I was told not to post multiple !'s as I did in that one post.
I was only allowed to vote for players Cyan had ever voted for. So, off the top of my head, not Iso or Pinky.
I was voting to demonstrate I can vote, since my previous vote wasn't counted by Seppelmod.
JK: I know a lot of people here are male so it's easy to forget. It's also online so it's not that I can throw my boobs out there for everyone to remember.
Allow me to answer for GD, but i don't see Iso using meta there, i see him trying to deter attackers from attacking him.
1. Where has Eco even talked to you about the RVS votes?
2. Your entire case is that i'm making your attack seem bigger than it is, so i'm scummy, but that's the exact reason your scummy.
3. Again, what motive can their be asking for reasons for RVS votes?
Congratulations, you've managed to turn nothing into a mountain. Your seriously using my joke OMGUS vote as evidence here? Your kidding me.
That is exactly how I read your post to me for something that was a simple as a question. You get your back up and defenses all ready.
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Ironically, this attack itself is very defensive.
I don't understand how Arcadic's post is at all "defensive" when he's the one on the offensive and calling you scummy.
I see it as me asking 3 people why the voted with nothing more then a vote and him responding on the defensive on what normally in my view is an innocent question I use to see reaction.
I don't see why someone would get all puffed out and what I read as bent out of shape on the question.
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I know Pinky is very new around here, but from what I've seen, she has a supernaturally good gut, so I'm totally barning her on this. Arcadic has been way over-aggressive, and in my humble opinion, she hit the nail on the head, and he's definitely worth pursuing.
I agree that Arcadic's attack is weak. I don't think agree that it's indicative of scum - too many players, town and scum alike, are accustomed to using weak attacks like that for the sake of "pressure."
I see it as me asking 3 people why the voted with nothing more then a vote and him responding on the defensive on what normally in my view is an innocent question I use to see reaction.
I don't see why someone would get all puffed out and what I read as bent out of shape on the question.
Perhaps its just semantics, but I still don't see how he can be "responding on the defensive" when he's the one who called you out.
I don't necessarily think Arcadic is upset. I think he believes your attack was weak and intended to maliciously make other players look bad. You need to explain why you believe his position is not genuine.
What it looks like right now is that you are too concerned with winning the argument and not concerned enough with actually finding scum. Your attack seems to be fundamentally defensively motivated, and not for the sake of scumhunting.
iLord: I called him out. You seem to forget that.
How is his attack geniune? I don't see it geniune. I didn't vote anyone, I asked a question that Arcadic spinned as me making others look bad.
Did you see it his way? If so why?
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iLord: I called him out. You seem to forget that.
How is his attack geniune? I don't see it geniune. I didn't vote anyone, I asked a question that Arcadic spinned as me making others look bad. Did you see it his way? If so why?
When you were calling him out, you said he was being "defensive." He can't be defensive if he's the one attacking you.
We understand that you don't believe it's genuine. I'm asking you to explain why you read it as such.
The bolded is very defensive stance: asking questions to attempt to shift the momentum against the aggressor.
To answer your question, I don't believe the parts he has issues with is indicative of scum mentality on your part at all. I do not, however, think that just because I disagree with his attack, I believe him to be scum.
Someone is certainly confident in themself. Good for you. Doesn't make you town. I have found challenging people to "dare" to mess with them is a scum tell. What your saying is, "Don't bother coming after me!" which as a town makes no sense. You should not have that mentality, you should be looking to hunt people down, not have them challenge you.
Also, I don't hate your role, that much, I hate how you came into the thread throwing your role information everywhere. Basically, you came in declaring yourself town, then provided details about your role that are in no way confirmable by anyone. Again, a town mindset shouldn't be trying to prove how AWESOME TOWN you are to everyone. Your actions with others and reasoning will show that better than anything else.
Nothing you have done so far has come from a townie mindset. The way you handled your role is just so bad. What did you even hope to gain from saying that?
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Also, you are assuming that only scum are going to attack you. Just because someone is attacking you doesn't mean that at all. Something to chew on.
I'd say scum attack me about 90% of the time and town 10%. Call it a ballpark statistic.
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Good for you. I know you have been successful in the past. You are also acutely aware of your meta. So, say if you happened to be scum, and you know how you have acted as town in the past, you could very easily act that way as scum again.
Look at my scum game. Tell me where you see any inconsistencies, regardless of my alignment.
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Just because you have done something as town in the past doesn't exclusively restrict you to only doing it as town. Hell, it should make you more likely to do it as scum.
Perhaps, but that's the joy of WIFOM. Have fun figuring me out.
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So, what are my motives then? Attacking Iso != being scum.
I beg to differ. After my first 2 games, very rarely have people attacked me. I'm like Solid Snake, son, minus the Snake.
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You should answer my question. I will repost it, just to make sure you didn't miss it. What did you hope to gain from bringing your role info into the game so early?
I've brought no role information into the thread, only that I have a role. And I've made ganderin_dan able to speak. Which means communicating with him will be much easier, and far more beneficial to the town, regardless of his alignment. What did I have to lose from stopping possible future WIFOM against me?
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Also, I know pinky is a good player, having been a part of a perfect scum win with her. However, why are you jumping so quickly to defend her, especially since I wasn't attacking her at all?
Because this is her town game and I have a strong scum read from you right now.
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However, none of that was addressed to you. That was a thought I had, aside of what I thought about you. As should it have been apparent because it referenced nothing from or about you at all. Calling me self-aware, when I don't refer to myself at all, seems especially hypocritic considering that this had nothing to do with you, but you tried to make it so anyway.
It was following the statement directed towards me, and I asked about it, so clearly it was not as evident as you'd like to make it seem. You'll find I prefer clarity more often than not when people are making posts.
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So, I'm scum for attacking you, Tilde for also attacking you, and iLord for...existing? He has had one non-RVS post, and it said that we shouldn't answer your "Are we all Cyan?" question. Which he is right.
It's not for the fact that you attacked me so much as it is the way that you attacked me. As for iLord, I like pinky's case on him. And why shouldn't we know if we're all Cyan or not? I have reason to believe that at least every member of the town is Cyan. I do not have any insight as to whether or not the mafia is.
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This whole thing reads as a giant over-reaction to a FoS, but the bolded has me confused.
You yourself stated that the town win-con is on the front page. If you were getting lynched, I'm pretty sure you would remember that and post that, not "IDK town?". Your right, that would be horrid, but you would never say that, and you have already said why.
If I have already said why, then what are you confused about? I made my reasons clear for claiming my win condition. Seeing as I'm not going to count out any abilities (EXCEPT JESTER :muh:), there could very well be a win condition cop. That's baseless speculation, but I always like to cover all of my bases.
Why does pinky's attack on litterally nothing scream null? How can you look at someone asking for reason from an RVS vote and not have questions? You've been apart of many RVS votes, has anyone ever asked you why you RVS'd anyone?
RVS actually gets quite a few questions asked of players at times. Look at Seance Mafia. pinky was scum there and she placed the second random vote on somebody. Sir Mu called her out on being scum for it. He was absolutely right. Give credit to the RVS, brah.
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Read: I'll change my mind constantly and post these all game. I'll change them when i need to OMGUS someone or jump on a popular wagon.
I'm actually usually pretty vigilant about my first reads in most games. Again, look at Supernatural. First post before the game even began, I had fluffyn00b pegged as scum and drove his lynch 'til the end. At the end of the day, I said I was going for kill-joy the next day. The vig shot kill-joy that night. kill-joy was scum. In Iji Mafia, I noted interactions between Nikomaru and Clock King (Ambassador Laquatus at the time) that nobody else gave any sort of merit to, and as it turns out, they were both scum. My first scum read was on Zebi, who was replaced by The Ice King, and lo and behold, scum. I have learned to trust my not-so-gut gut reads. I have legitimate reasons for everything I do. Whether or not you can determine my motives is solely up to you.
Ah, I thought you meant that it was just left off of your PM.
If it's you're claiming that your role PM explicitly states that you don't know what the town win condition is, I find that highly questionable, since, as you stated, the win condition is right in the opening post.
Regardless, claiming this really doesn't help you at all, no matter your alignment, so I'm not sure why you're doing this.
So can you tell me what I would have to gain from claiming this if I were scum?
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I fail also to see a scum motivation that doesn't involve the majority of the town having the mental capacity of a lobotomized gorilla.
Scum can be caught very easily in the RVS. Manders's gimmick, Lairy Fights, gave a prime example of this in Stick It! Mafia. Scum have to be more careful in the RVS than town for this exact reason. So if you consider the possible motives for a player's votes in the RVS, you can accurately determine their mindset, and as a result, possibly catch scum. If you know what to look for, it's a wonderful tell. Because you did not offer a reason for your vote in the RVS, it implies that you have something to hide. Who has something to hide? The mafia. *Bows*
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I don't agree with lynching ganderin just because he has a post restriction.
ganderin_dan no longer has a post restriction.
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@Iso: Why couldn't you just pretend that your role PM had nothing weird about the Win Con?
Because I have no reason to lie about my win condition.
Sure, I guess I can do that, just wanted to get the vote out of the way.
I don't like how he's attacking Pinky. I get that this is Cyan's game, but the way he's doing it is misrepresentative of the facts, and is just downright scummy.
How is this different from Arcadic in any other game?
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So can you tell me what I would have to gain from claiming this if I were scum?
I don't believe I can. Hence my, "no matter your alignment."
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Scum can be caught very easily in the RVS. Manders's gimmick, Lairy Fights, gave a prime example of this in Stick It! Mafia. Scum have to be more careful in the RVS than town for this exact reason. So if you consider the possible motives for a player's votes in the RVS, you can accurately determine their mindset, and as a result, possibly catch scum. If you know what to look for, it's a wonderful tell. Because you did not offer a reason for your vote in the RVS, it implies that you have something to hide. Who has something to hide? The mafia. *Bows*
I'm not going to contest that it's possible that the RVS can provide valuable behavioral information. In all likelihood however, I have yet to meet anyone who has demonstrate that level of scumhunting proficiency. Remember that the plural of anecdote isn't evidence.
Regardless, your logic is severely flawed. I can think of a number of reasons why someone would neglect to add a witty addendum to a random vote, some of which have been voiced in the thread already. I can also think of a number of things townies would rather have hidden.
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Because I have no reason to lie about my win condition.
A playstyle disparity, then. You apparently weigh the possibility of a "win condition cop" greater than the confusion and suspicion caused by claiming such a bizarre yet incidental aspect of your role. Rather ridiculous, but I'm not one to judge ;).
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I don't believe I can. Hence my, "no matter your alignment."
Precisely. <3
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I'm not going to contest that it's possible that the RVS can provide valuable behavioral information. In all likelihood however, I have yet to meet anyone who has demonstrate that level of scumhunting proficiency. Remember that the plural of anecdote isn't evidence.
I haven't completely rounded out my scumhunting technique or my mindset reads, but I'm getting there.
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Regardless, your logic is severely flawed. I can think of a number of reasons why someone would neglect to add a witty addendum to a random vote, some of which have been voiced in the thread already. I can also think of a number of things townies would rather have hidden.
Why would a townie hide their motive for a random vote with no Night 0?
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A playstyle disparity, then. You apparently weigh the possibility of a "win condition cop" greater than the confusion and suspicion caused by claiming such a bizarre yet incidental aspect of your role. Rather ridiculous, but I'm not one to judge ;).
I'm one of a kind.
I get railed on for my playstyle by just about everybody, but it's effective. Just look at 300 Mafia. I replaced in on Day 1, barely skimmed the game, saw scum in Archmage Eternal, and told everyone that I wasn't going to provide reason for him to be lynched but that he should. Eventually, I was forced to give reason at the risk of being lynched myself. Unfortunately, the scum pushed a bad lynch on to Yanni, which I reluctantly jumped on because my own wagon against AE wasn't going anywhere. AE got vigged on Night 1 and flipped scum, which was beautiful. Then I got vigged on Night 2. :| But I pmed AsianInvasion my scum list following my death and I was spot on. Hence the town MVP you see in my sig. That in addition to my push of AE, of course. Anyway, the point of this slight anecdote is that my play may be unconventional, but it gets **** done, which should be quite evident if you would like to read ANY game that I've been in or currently am in.
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Why would a townie hide their motive for a random vote with no Night 0?
Why would anybody hid their motive for a random vote? By "things" I meant other reasons for townies being discreet, mocking the excessive generalizations you made in your argument.
I notice that you do not acknowledge that there exist other reasons for players not to add something clever to their random vote other than secrecy.
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I get railed on for my playstyle by just about everybody, but it's effective. Just look at 300 Mafia. I replaced in on Day 1, barely skimmed the game, saw scum in Archmage Eternal, and told everyone that I wasn't going to provide reason for him to be lynched but that he should. Eventually, I was forced to give reason at the risk of being lynched myself. Unfortunately, the scum pushed a bad lynch on to Yanni, which I reluctantly jumped on because my own wagon against AE wasn't going anywhere. AE got vigged on Night 1 and flipped scum, which was beautiful. Then I got vigged on Night 2. :| But I pmed AsianInvasion my scum list following my death and I was spot on. Hence the town MVP you see in my sig. That in addition to my push of AE, of course. Anyway, the point of this slight anecdote is that my play may be unconventional, but it gets **** done, which should be quite evident if you would like to read ANY game that I've been in or currently am in.
You'll forgive me for not giving too much weight to your examples, especially since you're attributing your success to intuition. Frequently, players are more inclined to remember their successes than their failures, the times they were correct in their suspicions, rather than the many times their suspicions go undeveloped.
Why would anybody hid their motive for a random vote? By "things" I meant other reasons for townies being discreet, mocking the excessive generalizations you made in your argument.
I've explained motivation for hiding motive for random votes. Don't make me repeat myself because that is probably my #1 Mafia peeve.
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I notice that you do not acknowledge that there exist other reasons for players not to add something clever to their random vote other than secrecy.
Such as?
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You'll forgive me for not giving too much weight to your examples, especially since you're attributing your success to intuition. Frequently, players are more inclined to remember their successes than their failures, the times they were correct in their suspicions, rather than the many times their suspicions go undeveloped.
Okay.
How about Agatha Christie Mafia where I pegged tezz as scum as soon as he replaced in and got into a lock with the Watcher and the Vig as the Doc that won us the game?
How about Hetalia where I called out The Ice King for scummy behavior, rallied the town to stop a mislynch, and instead lynch TIK, and then on the next day, realized Azrael was scum and did the same thing?
How about in Super Mario World where I figured out 2/3 of the scum team before I died and the other 1/3 immediately after? Being the Day 1 lynch, I might add. And I cleared a townie.
Just look at my track record. My reads speak for themselves. To wave it off as "intuition" is insulting. I am correct exponentially more often than I am wrong. Ask anyone who's ever played in a completed game with me.
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You'll forgive me for not giving too much weight to your examples, especially since you're attributing your success to intuition. Frequently, players are more inclined to remember their successes than their failures, the times they were correct in their suspicions, rather than the many times their suspicions go undeveloped.
They can't think of something clever? They don't care enough to do so?
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Okay.
How about Agatha Christie Mafia where I pegged tezz as scum as soon as he replaced in and got into a lock with the Watcher and the Vig as the Doc that won us the game?
How about Hetalia where I called out The Ice King for scummy behavior, rallied the town to stop a mislynch, and instead lynch TIK, and then on the next day, realized Azrael was scum and did the same thing?
How about in Super Mario World where I figured out 2/3 of the scum team before I died and the other 1/3 immediately after? Being the Day 1 lynch, I might add. And I cleared a townie.
Just look at my track record. My reads speak for themselves. To wave it off as "intuition" is insulting. I am correct exponentially more often than I am wrong. Ask anyone who's ever played in a completed game with me.
I'm surprised that I have to have this discussion with you.
In those games, how many times did you call people scum? Surely not just the handful of cases that you listed above in which you were correct? Perhaps you should go through your games and locate each instance where you accused someone, and then determine in what proportion of those instances you turned out correct. I would hardly anticipate that you'd find it as "exponential" as you believe.
It is futile to boast of your accomplishments from other games for which I lack context, much less to attempt to use it to give yourself any semblance of ethos. "I'm right this time because look at all of these other times I've been right" is a both juvenile and nonsensical argument.
You yourself noted that you "barely skimmed the game" and that you "weren't going to provide a reason for him to be lynched." That's not me calling it intuition - it's you yourself who has claimed that you made your calls without explicit analysis.
I have a Cell Structure and Function exam on Friday regarding effectively 5 chapters of material including something like 400+ pages of reading and 800+ powerpoint slides.
They can't think of something clever? They don't care enough to do so?
But you're saying they would have something to hide. What is that something?
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In those games, how many times did you call people scum? Surely not just the handful of cases that you listed above in which you were correct? Perhaps you should go through your games and locate each instance where you accused someone, and then determine in what proportion of those instances you turned out correct. I would hardly anticipate that you'd find it as "exponential" as you believe.
Reads are subject to change, you should know that. But my initial reads are typically highly accurate. Anyway, look for yourself, as I said. You're welcome to compare my initial accusation rate to my success rate. I already know where I stand, you clearly do not.
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It is futile to boast of your accomplishments from other games for which I lack context, much less to attempt to use it to give yourself any semblance of ethos. "I'm right this time because look at all of these other times I've been right" is a both juvenile and nonsensical argument.
You are discrediting me as a player because you think I'm overconfident? Last time that happened I nailed 2 scum in a row. But your ad hominem is noted.
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You yourself noted that you "barely skimmed the game" and that you "weren't going to provide a reason for him to be lynched." That's not me calling it intuition - it's you yourself who has claimed that you made your calls without explicit analysis.
Then you are intentionally putting incorrect meaning into your reading of my post. I barely skimmed the game and saw sufficient evidence up to that point in the thread to believe AE was scum but because I had skimmed the thread, I decided to be lazy because I didn't want to look at all of his posts again and find my argument in them. But I knew he was scum.
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@iLord: If you really think I'm that terrible at reading people, then let's lynch Anak now and see what he flips. If he's town, lynch me next. I won't fight it. If he's scum, then start calling me King Iso and worship the grounds I post on.
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But you're saying they would have something to hide. What is that something?
On the contrary, I'm saying that, just because they do not give an explanation, they do not necessarily have something to hide.
You are discrediting me as a player because you think I'm overconfident? Last time that happened I nailed 2 scum in a row. But your ad hominem is noted.
I am discrediting your in the sense that I don't value your reads any higher than those of any other player. I don't believe you're either immature or incompetent - I believe you know better than to use such an argument.
Then you are intentionally putting incorrect meaning into your reading of my post. I barely skimmed the game and saw sufficient evidence up to that point in the thread to believe AE was scum but because I had skimmed the thread, I decided to be lazy because I didn't want to look at all of his posts again and find my argument in them. But I knew he was scum.
Without your elaboration, I misinterpreted your post. Consequently, I find my interpretation of the initial post defensible, especially since such emphasis was placed the ease with which you obtained your read.
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@iLord: If you really think I'm that terrible at reading people, then let's lynch Anak now and see what he flips. If he's town, lynch me next. I won't fight it. If he's scum, then start calling me King Iso and worship the grounds I post on.
I don't believe you're terrible at reading people. I am as willing to listen to your arguments as to those of any other player. I will not, however, acquiesce to any lynch which you cannot support with concrete arguments. I do believe your proposition fails such a criterion.
On the contrary, I'm saying that, just because they do not give an explanation, they do not necessarily have something to hide.
I am discrediting your in the sense that I don't value your reads any higher than those of any other player. I don't believe you're either immature or incompetent - I believe you know better than to use such an argument.
Without your elaboration, I misinterpreted your post. Consequently, I find my interpretation of the initial post defensible, especially since such emphasis was placed the ease with which you obtained your read.
I don't believe you're terrible at reading people. I am as willing to listen to your arguments as to those of any other player. I will not, however, acquiesce to any lynch which you cannot support with concrete arguments. I do believe your proposition fails such a criterion.
Eh, fair enough. When he's done more scummy ****, I'll consider making a case if I haven't changed my mind about him later.
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I said first thing... not the only thing. Ganderin might be an ultra-informant (all scum are mod-revealed upon death), a hyper-saint (all players voting for him when lynched are also killed in divine retribution), or could have no abilities whatsoever. We just don't know and Ganderin either can't or won't (if the PR is faked) tell us.
What?
Where did this come from?
Do you have anything to support this?
Also, I don't hate your role, that much, I hate how you came into the thread throwing your role information everywhere. Basically, you came in declaring yourself town, then provided details about your role that are in no way confirmable by anyone. Again, a town mindset shouldn't be trying to prove how AWESOME TOWN you are to everyone. Your actions with others and reasoning will show that better than anything else.
Nothing you have done so far has come from a townie mindset. The way you handled your role is just so bad. What did you even hope to gain from saying that?
Vote Iso
Why does that make him scum?
Let's say it's not the standard town mindset for a second. Why does that make him scum?
God, that was a massive waste of time. I spent about 4-5 hours reading every one of Cyan's posts in the past 2.75 years of mafia games (since 2009) and compiling over 4 pages of quotes. All for naught!
It is futile to boast of your accomplishments from other games for which I lack context, much less to attempt to use it to give yourself any semblance of ethos. "I'm right this time because look at all of these other times I've been right" is a both juvenile and nonsensical argument.
True.
Sidenote: Iso, are you discounting any sections in between the beginning of the game and the point you reference where you were wrong?
By the time I made it to the bottom of this post, I forgot half of what I was saying.
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iLord+WoD vs. Iso pissing match only served to zone me out from a few posts. Started skimming it after it turned into "I'm often right!" "You've got a small sample size!" "I don't care!"
But, we already have people flinging around votes & accusations with an incredibly small sample size. Finding scum based off of 1-2 issues that could be portrayed as somewhat scummy tends to happen very... infrequently. The discussion is good, however.
To be clear, I have no interest in lynching myself. I am not a jester. I just wanted to demonstrate the ability to vote. Did I say this already? Meh.
My flavor was non-flavor. As clear cut and minimal as you could type it.
Someone is certainly confident in themself. Good for you. Doesn't make you town. I have found challenging people to "dare" to mess with them is a scum tell. What your saying is, "Don't bother coming after me!" which as a town makes no sense. You should not have that mentality, you should be looking to hunt people down, not have them challenge you.
I feel like you are contorting evidence to fit your conclusion in this paragraph. Challenging him and other scumhunting (continue reading) fits a town mindset.
Also, I don't hate your role, that much, I hate how you came into the thread throwing your role information everywhere. Basically, you came in declaring yourself town, then provided details about your role that are in no way confirmable by anyone. Again, a town mindset shouldn't be trying to prove how AWESOME TOWN you are to everyone. Your actions with others and reasoning will show that better than anything else.
This part, on the other hand, I agree with. But basic mafia theory is basic.
Nothing you have done so far has come from a townie mindset. The way you handled your role is just so bad. What did you even hope to gain from saying that?
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I don't think pinkys_brian's reasoning behind the RVS makes him scum, more that it just is one huge null tell. He didn't use it to sling around a lot of suspicion, mostly just some at Eco, but had he continued to do that then he would have looked worse. But, that still is because he would have been mudslinging, and not because of his stance with the RVS.
Unmuting me? Town mindset.
Scumhunting through iLord's response to his question, and read on you based on...
Oh. I can't find it. Just him refuting your point and not actually constructing an argument. Why doesn't this exist yet?
When you were calling him out, you said he was being "defensive." He can't be defensive if he's the one attacking you.
We understand that you don't believe it's genuine. I'm asking you to explain why you read it as such.
The bolded is very defensive stance: asking questions to attempt to shift the momentum against the aggressor.
To answer your question, I don't believe the parts he has issues with is indicative of scum mentality on your part at all. I do not, however, think that just because I disagree with his attack, I believe him to be scum.
Barn, particularly the part about shifting momentum. He can't be on the defensive if he's the one asking the questions first.
iLord, even with Iso bringing up a strong track record, is behaving the most logically of the bunch of you so far. Iso's entire point is basically a huge ex hominem (no, not ad hominem), where his results means we have to trust him with little to no reason for doubt.
Not that I think Iso is scum for this. If I was right that often, I'd probably toot my own horn too. But it's fallacious.
A playstyle disparity, then. You apparently weigh the possibility of a "win condition cop" greater than the confusion and suspicion caused by claiming such a bizarre yet incidental aspect of your role. Rather ridiculous, but I'm not one to judge ;).
It is rather ridiculous. Iso, what was the point of bringing up such an extreme example?
Eh, fair enough. When he's done more scummy ****, I'll consider making a case if I haven't changed my mind about him later.
I like that silly line of discussion ending here. I guess I find both of you town as a result of this exchange, no small part of Iso's bit being ungagging me. WIFOM for the world, but scum aren't very highly motivated to put another voice into the game.
Oh. I can't find it. Just him refuting your point and not actually constructing an argument. Why doesn't this exist yet?
My argument? I told you, it consists solely of the way I was attacked.
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iLord, even with Iso bringing up a strong track record, is behaving the most logically of the bunch of you so far. Iso's entire point is basically a huge ex hominem (no, not ad hominem), where his results means we have to trust him with little to no reason for doubt.
Why shouldn't you?
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It is rather ridiculous. Iso, what was the point of bringing up such an extreme example?
It was the only thing I could think of at the time.
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led me to believe that Iso did somethingto you to cause your PR.
When I said prompted it, I meant the whole "wait for Seppel" bit. Prompted the lifting of my PR. I'm inclined to say he did it, as a result of his behavior, but my PM did not confirm such.
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without any sort of evidence or behavioral analysis to support your claim, while also leaving yourself wiggle room in the event you were actually, you know, wrong.
You basically just said "These people are looking at me funny! They must be scum, For I am Cyan and am NEVER EVER EVER wrong about these sorts of things!"
When I said prompted it, I meant the whole "wait for Seppel" bit. Prompted the lifting of my PR. I'm inclined to say he did it, as a result of his behavior, but my PM did not confirm such.
I wouldn't mind hearing your side of how that PR disappeared, seeing that you indicated in post #53 that there WASN'T a safe way to get rid of it.
without any sort of evidence or behavioral analysis to support your claim, while also leaving yourself wiggle room in the event you were actually, you know, wrong.
You basically just said "These people are looking at me funny! They must be scum, For I am Cyan and am NEVER EVER EVER wrong about these sorts of things!"
HAHAHAHAHA. Oh, Tilde. You're so transparent. I provided my reasoning.
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iLord+WoD vs. Iso pissing match only served to zone me out from a few posts. Started skimming it after it turned into "I'm often right!" "You've got a small sample size!" "I don't care!"
But, we already have people flinging around votes & accusations with an incredibly small sample size. Finding scum based off of 1-2 issues that could be portrayed as somewhat scummy tends to happen very... infrequently. The discussion is good, however.
I'm kind of confused here - which discussion is the bolded referring to?
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I like that silly line of discussion ending here. I guess I find both of you town as a result of this exchange, no small part of Iso's bit being ungagging me. WIFOM for the world, but scum aren't very highly motivated to put another voice into the game.
"I guess" is very non-confrontational language. Calling both players town is an easy way to avoid an argument as well.
What part of the argument indicates that I'm town? Logic is not sufficient.
Incidentally, Iso ungagging is such a flashy action that I wouldn't find it unlikely for scum to do so to gain townie points.
When you were calling him out, you said he was being "defensive." He can't be defensive if he's the one attacking you.
We understand that you don't believe it's genuine. I'm asking you to explain why you read it as such.
The bolded is very defensive stance: asking questions to attempt to shift the momentum against the aggressor.
To answer your question, I don't believe the parts he has issues with is indicative of scum mentality on your part at all. I do not, however, think that just because I disagree with his attack, I believe him to be scum.
When I say I called him out I'm talking about my question to you, Eco and Arcadic to explain your votes.
To me I see it this way. I asked a simple question and Arcadic's response was overreacting.
I don't see a reason for him to attack something that if he finds it irrelevant. Instead he attacks me and proceeded to respond that it's scummy for me to ask it.
The reason I call it being defensive is because I asked him a question, I see it as him being defensive for being called out to explain his vote.
I already pointed out that he calls me out for backpeddling and then drops it when I counter then point. I read post 46 as defensive.
He says no one should answer my question but both you and eco did answer and thinks it's scum motive. I don't see the scum motive, even with this:
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Trying to push relevance on something very obviously irrelevant reeks of scum looking for a jumping off point to start a lynch.
I didn't vote anyone. I looked at my question as trying to get out of RVS quickly and if anyone was scum reaction to it.
Arcadic says he see's no town motive but the scum motive is what exactly?
As I said at the very beginning why would 2 people answer the question, where he comes off to me as overreacting to attacking to defensive.
That makes no sense to me.
As for the bold. I'm trying to understand your view on it. I noted you commented to arcadic and myself in this back and forth. You made points to him about me and me about him. I wonder where you stand on the issue.
@Iso: I disagree with your 90% scum 10% scum statistic.
I'll remind you that in Agatha Christy Mafia the majority of the attacks on you in that game came from town.
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It's not for the fact that you attacked me so much as it is the way that you attacked me. As for iLord, I like pinky's case on him. And why shouldn't we know if we're all Cyan or not? I have reason to believe that at least every member of the town is Cyan. I do not have any insight as to whether or not the mafia is.
What case?
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Scum can be caught very easily in the RVS. Manders's gimmick, Lairy Fights, gave a prime example of this in Stick It! Mafia. Scum have to be more careful in the RVS than town for this exact reason. So if you consider the possible motives for a player's votes in the RVS, you can accurately determine their mindset, and as a result, possibly catch scum. If you know what to look for, it's a wonderful tell. Because you did not offer a reason for your vote in the RVS, it implies that you have something to hide. Who has something to hide? The mafia. *Bows*
I could not have said this better.
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I'm not going to contest that it's possible that the RVS can provide valuable behavioral information. In all likelihood however, I have yet to meet anyone who has demonstrate that level of scumhunting proficiency. Remember that the plural of anecdote isn't evidence.
I have. One game a player voted with a smiley face and a player that was town called him on being fake.
Player was scum. Weird thing for me because when I saw it I thought that seemed like such crap, but since then I pay more attention to RVS.
Why would anybody hid their motive for a random vote? By "things" I meant other reasons for townies being discreet, mocking the excessive generalizations you made in your argument.
I notice that you do not acknowledge that there exist other reasons for players not to add something clever to their random vote other than secrecy.
You didn't explain yourself either. Instead you asked a question in response to Iso's question and I don't see a reason either.
They can't think of something clever? They don't care enough to do so?
You said as much about yourself. How do you know that everyone is the same?
Lets say as an example: I see iLord in a game and he makes an RVS vote and is humorous in that game and in the next game he votes for no reason.
I would wonder in my mind why he was able to be humorous in that game and glib in this game.
That's meta, I know but it's still something I would be thinking of in my head.
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Barn, particularly the part about shifting momentum. He can't be on the defensive if he's the one asking the questions first.
I ASKED ARCADIC A QUESTION FIRST AND A ****ING SIMPLE QUESTION THAT I SEE HE OVERREACTS TO!!!
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That is what freeking started the back and forth with me and iLord and me and Arcadic.
Stopped on post 131.
I will have to finish this up later.
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Sure, I guess I can do that, just wanted to get the vote out of the way.
I don't like how he's attacking Pinky. I get that this is Cyan's game, but the way he's doing it is misrepresentative of the facts, and is just downright scummy.
I know Pinky is very new around here, but from what I've seen, she has a supernaturally good gut, so I'm totally barning her on this. Arcadic has been way over-aggressive, and in my humble opinion, she hit the nail on the head, and he's definitely worth pursuing.
What about her gut are you /barning? He vote on me or that her questions about RVS votes?
That is exactly how I read your post to me for something that was a simple as a question. You get your back up and defenses all ready.
I see it as me asking 3 people why the voted with nothing more then a vote and him responding on the defensive on what normally in my view is an innocent question I use to see reaction.
I don't see why someone would get all puffed out and what I read as bent out of shape on the question.
Keep calling my attack on you defensive. Your trying to make something inconsequential into something tangable. You don't assume the mime's box is real. Your assuming there is a reason other than random for placing any vote and calling those who placed them scummy for placing them without reason.
What the heck is with the voting without a reason people?
I would like iLord, Eco and Arcadic explain a reason for there votes. Even with RVS placing an abitray vote without reason is lazy and scummy.
You've already here declared us 3 scummy. You even spent your next 4 posts proving to Ilord that his was scummy and wrong for being impulsive!
Arcadic says he see's no town motive but the scum motive is what exactly?
Scum want to end the RVS to lynch people. Scum want to cast as much doubt on as many people as possible. Town don't question irrelevant votes to paint them as scummy asap.
As I said at the very beginning why would 2 people answer the question, where he comes off to me as overreacting to attacking to defensive.
That makes no sense to me.
I fail to see how my reaction is any different than Ilords. The only difference is the conclusion we came to, not our reactions.
As for the bold. I'm trying to understand your view on it. I noted you commented to arcadic and myself in this back and forth. You made points to him about me and me about him. I wonder where you stand on the issue.
Pretty sure he called your push null, as for me idnno.
I ASKED ARCADIC A QUESTION FIRST AND A ****ING SIMPLE QUESTION THAT I SEE HE OVERREACTS TO!!!
You asked a loaded question and pulled the trigger. Also, the irony of an all caps over-reaction that talks about an over-reaction.
Look at the interactions again town. Pinky clearly paints 3 players as scummy for things people do in every game regardless of alignment. The only reason she's pushing on me is because i found her actions scummy, whereas the others brushed it off initially as null. The little bit of town pinky i know isn't that rash and impulsive with such a claim.
@Iso: I disagree with your 90% scum 10% scum statistic. I'll remind you that in Agatha Christy Mafia the majority of the attacks on you in that game came from town.
I don't think that's a fair statistic to use, considering I intentionally started a bad wagon on myself.
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What facts are being mis-repped?
Keep calling my attack on you defensive. Your trying to make something inconsequential into something tangable. You don't assume the mime's box is real. Your assuming there is a reason other than random for placing any vote and calling those who placed them scummy for placing them without reason.
If it was sooo inconsequential in your oppinon why did you you attack it? You made a case on it and now that I have my own case against you, my point is inconsequential but yours is apt?
Wrong. Your right that you wanted to end the RVS, but your wrong that you wanted to see scum reactions.
So you say.
You've already here declared us 3 scummy. You even spent your next 4 posts proving to Ilord that his was scummy and wrong for being impulsive!
I explain my reasoning and my view on it, just like iLord explain his reasoning and his view on the opposite. I see why he felt and voted the way he did.
Whether he got my reason I don't know.
This exactly why I feel every post you make is spinning everything said by me as scummy.
Scum want to end the RVS to lynch people. Scum want to cast as much doubt on as many people as possible. Town don't question irrelevant votes to paint them as scummy asap.
Iso and myself just brought up examples of town catching scum with RVS. You have examples of scum doing the opposite? Because right now all I see is words without evidence.
I fail to see how my reaction is any different than Ilords. The only difference is the conclusion we came to, not our reactions.
iLord was calm, he explain his view. He was rational in his response. You reacted the same?
You asked a loaded question and pulled the trigger. Also, the irony of an all caps over-reaction that talks about an over-reaction.
It's only loaded if your afraid. If your town you have nothing to fear.
Look at the interactions again town. Pinky clearly paints 3 players as scummy for things people do in every game regardless of alignment. The only reason she's pushing on me is because i found her actions scummy, whereas the others brushed it off initially as null. The little bit of town pinky i know isn't that rash and impulsive with such a claim.
Yup my case on post 70 was invisible.
The differences between us is I asked you questions. Each answer you provided you spinned into something only scum would do or ask.
As for my caps lock. I have said that state 4 times already. I'm getting pretty frustrated with people who continue to ignore that. You I asked one question and you went BOOM!
Not even close to a comparision.
@Iso: I have 2 games that are currently ongoing with Arcadic that I can not reference. Can you provide examples of what your refering to.
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If it was sooo inconsequential in your oppinon why did you you attack it? You made a case on it and now that I have my own case against you, my point is inconsequential but yours is apt?
In your own words, if its inconcequesial, then why ask questions about it? If your line of questions are inconsequential, then why ask them?
So you say.
Show me how your original post leaves anything to interprate. You blatantly call us scummy and blatantly later admit it was to end the RVS.
I explain my reasoning and my view on it, just like iLord explain his reasoning and his view on the opposite. I see why he felt and voted the way he did.
Whether he got my reason I don't know.
This exactly why I feel every post you make is spinning everything said by me as scummy.
Again, show me how your conversation matters then. You would not accept a Random vote for being random and badgered Ilord into explaining something that did not need explaining. Ever.
Iso and myself just brought up examples of town catching scum with RVS. You have examples of scum doing the opposite? Because right now all I see is words without evidence.
I will have an example after you flip scum of yet another scum ending the RVS.
iLord was calm, he explain his view. He was rational in his response. You reacted the same?
No, really, you want clairfication on an obviously random vote from 1/3d of the game? What reason do you have scrutinize an obviously random and irrelelvent vote? Your not a noob, you know how the RVS works. No-one needs to explain their vote, no-one should. Its for all intensive purposes, random and irrelevent. Trying to push relevance on something very obviously irrelevant reeks of scum looking for a jumping off point to start a lynch.
I really don't like your appeal to you meta here ether now. Yes, i know your a facts driven man/woman, but you are completely off in the implementation and the timing of the push. You are looking for evidence where there cannot possibly be discerned any.
I fail to see the town motivation for the questioning of normal RVS votes. Your push for real content and reasoning doesn't fit with the nature of the gamestate. You actually seem to think that our votes are there for a reason, or you want to make others think that they are, when in fact there is nothing there.
why your questions were made. You then cased and voted me. Show me as being irrational here.
It's only loaded if your afraid. If your town you have nothing to fear.
BS. Scum ask loaded questions all the time to paint town in a dimmer light. Town have to be aware of such garbage and call the scum on it.
Yup my case on post 70 was invisible.
The differences between us is I asked you questions. Each answer you provided you spinned into something only scum would do or ask.
As for my caps lock. I have said that state 4 times already. I'm getting pretty frustrated with people who continue to ignore that. You I asked one question and you went BOOM!
Not even close to a comparision.
I asked you questions and i didn't like your answers. If i don't see the townie reasoning behind your actions and reponces, i'll call you on it.
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In your own words, if its inconcequesial, then why ask questions about it? If your line of questions are inconsequential, then why ask them?
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Way to dodge a question without answering a question.
I'm using your word buddy and I'm asking you why if you feel that way. You blew it out of proportion.
[QUOTE=Arcadic]Show me how your original post leaves anything to interprate. You blatantly call us scummy and blatantly later admit it was to end the RVS.
If I thought it was that scummy I would have voted one of you 3.
Again, show me how your conversation matters then. You would not accept a Random vote for being random and badgered Ilord into explaining something that did not need explaining. Ever.
I accepted iLord reply to my question. That was his view. I in turn received information about him and his thought process. I didn't see anything in his response as an ulterior motive or untrue.
I got the idea that Eco's RVS was what I see as a joke vote. What I get from you is OMG you called me out how dare you.
I will have an example after you flip scum of yet another scum ending the RVS.
Nice dodge again.
BS. Scum ask loaded questions all the time to paint town in a dimmer light. Town have to be aware of such garbage and call the scum on it.
More words calling it scum without backing it up.
I asked you questions and i didn't like your answers. If i don't see the townie reasoning behind your actions and reponces, i'll call you on it.
What did you not like?
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My PR has been lifted, assumingly by Iso, considering he was the one that prompted it.
God, that was a massive waste of time. I spent about 4-5 hours reading every one of Cyan's posts in the past 2.75 years of mafia games (since 2009) and compiling over 4 pages of quotes. All for naught!
Suddenly it all makes sense. Now that you are able to articulate yourself, care to elaborate on what you were trying to say about Iso and Pinky?
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I know Pinky is very new around here, but from what I've seen, she has a supernaturally good gut, so I'm totally barning her on this. Arcadic has been way over-aggressive, and in my humble opinion, she hit the nail on the head, and he's definitely worth pursuing.
I was only allowed to vote for players Cyan had ever voted for. So, off the top of my head, not Iso or Pinky.
I was voting to demonstrate I can vote, since my previous vote wasn't counted by Seppelmod.
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1.This is only 2 pages. How did you miss this:
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3. I already anwsered this in the back and forth with iLord. Did you just skim read?
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That is exactly how I read your post to me for something that was a simple as a question. You get your back up and defenses all ready.
I see it as me asking 3 people why the voted with nothing more then a vote and him responding on the defensive on what normally in my view is an innocent question I use to see reaction.
I don't see why someone would get all puffed out and what I read as bent out of shape on the question.
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I agree that Arcadic's attack is weak. I don't think agree that it's indicative of scum - too many players, town and scum alike, are accustomed to using weak attacks like that for the sake of "pressure."
Perhaps its just semantics, but I still don't see how he can be "responding on the defensive" when he's the one who called you out.
I don't necessarily think Arcadic is upset. I think he believes your attack was weak and intended to maliciously make other players look bad. You need to explain why you believe his position is not genuine.
What it looks like right now is that you are too concerned with winning the argument and not concerned enough with actually finding scum. Your attack seems to be fundamentally defensively motivated, and not for the sake of scumhunting.
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How is his attack geniune? I don't see it geniune. I didn't vote anyone, I asked a question that Arcadic spinned as me making others look bad.
Did you see it his way? If so why?
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When you were calling him out, you said he was being "defensive." He can't be defensive if he's the one attacking you.
We understand that you don't believe it's genuine. I'm asking you to explain why you read it as such.
The bolded is very defensive stance: asking questions to attempt to shift the momentum against the aggressor.
To answer your question, I don't believe the parts he has issues with is indicative of scum mentality on your part at all. I do not, however, think that just because I disagree with his attack, I believe him to be scum.
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Has it? Or did Iso give Anak the "STHU" treatment?
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I'd say scum attack me about 90% of the time and town 10%. Call it a ballpark statistic.
Look at my scum game. Tell me where you see any inconsistencies, regardless of my alignment.
Perhaps, but that's the joy of WIFOM. Have fun figuring me out.
I beg to differ. After my first 2 games, very rarely have people attacked me. I'm like Solid Snake, son, minus the Snake.
I've brought no role information into the thread, only that I have a role. And I've made ganderin_dan able to speak. Which means communicating with him will be much easier, and far more beneficial to the town, regardless of his alignment. What did I have to lose from stopping possible future WIFOM against me?
Because this is her town game and I have a strong scum read from you right now.
It was following the statement directed towards me, and I asked about it, so clearly it was not as evident as you'd like to make it seem. You'll find I prefer clarity more often than not when people are making posts.
It's not for the fact that you attacked me so much as it is the way that you attacked me. As for iLord, I like pinky's case on him. And why shouldn't we know if we're all Cyan or not? I have reason to believe that at least every member of the town is Cyan. I do not have any insight as to whether or not the mafia is.
If I have already said why, then what are you confused about? I made my reasons clear for claiming my win condition. Seeing as I'm not going to count out any abilities (EXCEPT JESTER :muh:), there could very well be a win condition cop. That's baseless speculation, but I always like to cover all of my bases.
RVS actually gets quite a few questions asked of players at times. Look at Seance Mafia. pinky was scum there and she placed the second random vote on somebody. Sir Mu called her out on being scum for it. He was absolutely right. Give credit to the RVS, brah.
I'm actually usually pretty vigilant about my first reads in most games. Again, look at Supernatural. First post before the game even began, I had fluffyn00b pegged as scum and drove his lynch 'til the end. At the end of the day, I said I was going for kill-joy the next day. The vig shot kill-joy that night. kill-joy was scum. In Iji Mafia, I noted interactions between Nikomaru and Clock King (Ambassador Laquatus at the time) that nobody else gave any sort of merit to, and as it turns out, they were both scum. My first scum read was on Zebi, who was replaced by The Ice King, and lo and behold, scum. I have learned to trust my not-so-gut gut reads. I have legitimate reasons for everything I do. Whether or not you can determine my motives is solely up to you.
So can you tell me what I would have to gain from claiming this if I were scum?
Scum can be caught very easily in the RVS. Manders's gimmick, Lairy Fights, gave a prime example of this in Stick It! Mafia. Scum have to be more careful in the RVS than town for this exact reason. So if you consider the possible motives for a player's votes in the RVS, you can accurately determine their mindset, and as a result, possibly catch scum. If you know what to look for, it's a wonderful tell. Because you did not offer a reason for your vote in the RVS, it implies that you have something to hide. Who has something to hide? The mafia. *Bows*
ganderin_dan no longer has a post restriction.
Because I have no reason to lie about my win condition.
How is this different from Arcadic in any other game?
You're welcome. <3
What was the flavor of the message Seppel sent you that removed the post restriction?
Ooh, strike 2 against Tilde. Keep swinging. I'll have you out in no time, baby. <3
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I've never played a game with Arcadic before, and as such I have no meta on him.
Calling meta in his defense - why?
Do you think he needs defending?
Do you think he's unable to defend himself?
Do you like strawberry milkshakes, or do you prefer caramel?
I don't believe I can. Hence my, "no matter your alignment."
I'm not going to contest that it's possible that the RVS can provide valuable behavioral information. In all likelihood however, I have yet to meet anyone who has demonstrate that level of scumhunting proficiency. Remember that the plural of anecdote isn't evidence.
Regardless, your logic is severely flawed. I can think of a number of reasons why someone would neglect to add a witty addendum to a random vote, some of which have been voiced in the thread already. I can also think of a number of things townies would rather have hidden.
A playstyle disparity, then. You apparently weigh the possibility of a "win condition cop" greater than the confusion and suspicion caused by claiming such a bizarre yet incidental aspect of your role. Rather ridiculous, but I'm not one to judge ;).
My Custom Set: Solescurio
Perhaps I'm biased because it's easier for me to smell scum when they're attacking me, but I'm just not seeing scum in his play.
Because I have stronger scum reads on Anaklusmos, ~Tilde~, and iLord.
I figured I'd call you on your vote since I'm not seeing scum Arcadic in this game.
Nope. Does that mean I shouldn't question your motives if I think he's town? Nope.
Strawberry.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Precisely. <3
I haven't completely rounded out my scumhunting technique or my mindset reads, but I'm getting there.
Why would a townie hide their motive for a random vote with no Night 0?
I'm one of a kind.
I get railed on for my playstyle by just about everybody, but it's effective. Just look at 300 Mafia. I replaced in on Day 1, barely skimmed the game, saw scum in Archmage Eternal, and told everyone that I wasn't going to provide reason for him to be lynched but that he should. Eventually, I was forced to give reason at the risk of being lynched myself. Unfortunately, the scum pushed a bad lynch on to Yanni, which I reluctantly jumped on because my own wagon against AE wasn't going anywhere. AE got vigged on Night 1 and flipped scum, which was beautiful. Then I got vigged on Night 2. :| But I pmed AsianInvasion my scum list following my death and I was spot on. Hence the town MVP you see in my sig. That in addition to my push of AE, of course. Anyway, the point of this slight anecdote is that my play may be unconventional, but it gets **** done, which should be quite evident if you would like to read ANY game that I've been in or currently am in.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why would anybody hid their motive for a random vote? By "things" I meant other reasons for townies being discreet, mocking the excessive generalizations you made in your argument.
I notice that you do not acknowledge that there exist other reasons for players not to add something clever to their random vote other than secrecy.
You'll forgive me for not giving too much weight to your examples, especially since you're attributing your success to intuition. Frequently, players are more inclined to remember their successes than their failures, the times they were correct in their suspicions, rather than the many times their suspicions go undeveloped.
My Custom Set: Solescurio
I've explained motivation for hiding motive for random votes. Don't make me repeat myself because that is probably my #1 Mafia peeve.
Such as?
Okay.
How about Agatha Christie Mafia where I pegged tezz as scum as soon as he replaced in and got into a lock with the Watcher and the Vig as the Doc that won us the game?
How about Hetalia where I called out The Ice King for scummy behavior, rallied the town to stop a mislynch, and instead lynch TIK, and then on the next day, realized Azrael was scum and did the same thing?
How about in Super Mario World where I figured out 2/3 of the scum team before I died and the other 1/3 immediately after? Being the Day 1 lynch, I might add. And I cleared a townie.
Just look at my track record. My reads speak for themselves. To wave it off as "intuition" is insulting. I am correct exponentially more often than I am wrong. Ask anyone who's ever played in a completed game with me.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Please put your trumpet away, Iso.
They can't think of something clever? They don't care enough to do so?
I'm surprised that I have to have this discussion with you.
In those games, how many times did you call people scum? Surely not just the handful of cases that you listed above in which you were correct? Perhaps you should go through your games and locate each instance where you accused someone, and then determine in what proportion of those instances you turned out correct. I would hardly anticipate that you'd find it as "exponential" as you believe.
It is futile to boast of your accomplishments from other games for which I lack context, much less to attempt to use it to give yourself any semblance of ethos. "I'm right this time because look at all of these other times I've been right" is a both juvenile and nonsensical argument.
You yourself noted that you "barely skimmed the game" and that you "weren't going to provide a reason for him to be lynched." That's not me calling it intuition - it's you yourself who has claimed that you made your calls without explicit analysis.
My Custom Set: Solescurio
Nonetheless, I'll see you guys this weekend
But you're saying they would have something to hide. What is that something?
Reads are subject to change, you should know that. But my initial reads are typically highly accurate. Anyway, look for yourself, as I said. You're welcome to compare my initial accusation rate to my success rate. I already know where I stand, you clearly do not.
You are discrediting me as a player because you think I'm overconfident? Last time that happened I nailed 2 scum in a row. But your ad hominem is noted.
Then you are intentionally putting incorrect meaning into your reading of my post. I barely skimmed the game and saw sufficient evidence up to that point in the thread to believe AE was scum but because I had skimmed the thread, I decided to be lazy because I didn't want to look at all of his posts again and find my argument in them. But I knew he was scum.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@WoD: NEGATORY, CAPTAIN.
@iLord: If you really think I'm that terrible at reading people, then let's lynch Anak now and see what he flips. If he's town, lynch me next. I won't fight it. If he's scum, then start calling me King Iso and worship the grounds I post on.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
On the contrary, I'm saying that, just because they do not give an explanation, they do not necessarily have something to hide.
I am discrediting your in the sense that I don't value your reads any higher than those of any other player. I don't believe you're either immature or incompetent - I believe you know better than to use such an argument.
Without your elaboration, I misinterpreted your post. Consequently, I find my interpretation of the initial post defensible, especially since such emphasis was placed the ease with which you obtained your read.
I don't believe you're terrible at reading people. I am as willing to listen to your arguments as to those of any other player. I will not, however, acquiesce to any lynch which you cannot support with concrete arguments. I do believe your proposition fails such a criterion.
My Custom Set: Solescurio
Eh, fair enough. When he's done more scummy ****, I'll consider making a case if I haven't changed my mind about him later.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Do you have anything remotely concrete?
Clarify?
What?
Where did this come from?
Do you have anything to support this?
Why does that make him scum?
Let's say it's not the standard town mindset for a second. Why does that make him scum?
Ouch, that seriously sucks.
Ungag.
But why does that make him town?
True.
Sidenote: Iso, are you discounting any sections in between the beginning of the game and the point you reference where you were wrong?
By the time I made it to the bottom of this post, I forgot half of what I was saying.
12 person game. 3 scum.
Perhaps minutely.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
But, we already have people flinging around votes & accusations with an incredibly small sample size. Finding scum based off of 1-2 issues that could be portrayed as somewhat scummy tends to happen very... infrequently. The discussion is good, however.
To be clear, I have no interest in lynching myself. I am not a jester. I just wanted to demonstrate the ability to vote. Did I say this already? Meh.
My flavor was non-flavor. As clear cut and minimal as you could type it.
I feel like you are contorting evidence to fit your conclusion in this paragraph. Challenging him and other scumhunting (continue reading) fits a town mindset.
This part, on the other hand, I agree with. But basic mafia theory is basic.
Unmuting me? Town mindset.
Scumhunting through iLord's response to his question, and read on you based on...
Oh. I can't find it. Just him refuting your point and not actually constructing an argument. Why doesn't this exist yet?
Wat
Basically this, and talking about the Mafia Theory thing was completely irrelevant to me. Once that got brought up, I disregarded the rest.
He didn't do the gagging, my PR was my ability (or lack thereof) in my PM.
Barn, particularly the part about shifting momentum. He can't be on the defensive if he's the one asking the questions first.
iLord, even with Iso bringing up a strong track record, is behaving the most logically of the bunch of you so far. Iso's entire point is basically a huge ex hominem (no, not ad hominem), where his results means we have to trust him with little to no reason for doubt.
Not that I think Iso is scum for this. If I was right that often, I'd probably toot my own horn too. But it's fallacious.
It is rather ridiculous. Iso, what was the point of bringing up such an extreme example?
I like that silly line of discussion ending here. I guess I find both of you town as a result of this exchange, no small part of Iso's bit being ungagging me. WIFOM for the world, but scum aren't very highly motivated to put another voice into the game.
My argument? I told you, it consists solely of the way I was attacked.
This product has been brought to you by Iso Corporations. All products are subject to change in the face of evidence as a result of our disclaimer.
Why shouldn't you?
It was the only thing I could think of at the time.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Color me slightly confused then, because this statement:
led me to believe that Iso did somethingto you to cause your PR.
Damn right that's WIFOM...
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
I think you're looking for any excuse you can to paint me as scummy.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
When I said prompted it, I meant the whole "wait for Seppel" bit. Prompted the lifting of my PR. I'm inclined to say he did it, as a result of his behavior, but my PM did not confirm such.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Says the person who declared:
without any sort of evidence or behavioral analysis to support your claim, while also leaving yourself wiggle room in the event you were actually, you know, wrong.
You basically just said "These people are looking at me funny! They must be scum, For I am Cyan and am NEVER EVER EVER wrong about these sorts of things!"
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
I wouldn't mind hearing your side of how that PR disappeared, seeing that you indicated in post #53 that there WASN'T a safe way to get rid of it.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
HAHAHAHAHA. Oh, Tilde. You're so transparent. I provided my reasoning.
I so desperately want to answer this but I want to see how you react to his response.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I didn't know of one. Iso provided it, needless to say.
Uh huh... So, Iso used his CyanMagicPants fairy dust and Lo And Behold! A Miracle Doth Occur! and Ganderin can talk again?
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
Don't believe it? Lynch me.
I've given you everything I can.
I'm kind of confused here - which discussion is the bolded referring to?
"I guess" is very non-confrontational language. Calling both players town is an easy way to avoid an argument as well.
What part of the argument indicates that I'm town? Logic is not sufficient.
Incidentally, Iso ungagging is such a flashy action that I wouldn't find it unlikely for scum to do so to gain townie points.
My Custom Set: Solescurio
When I say I called him out I'm talking about my question to you, Eco and Arcadic to explain your votes.
To me I see it this way. I asked a simple question and Arcadic's response was overreacting.
I don't see a reason for him to attack something that if he finds it irrelevant. Instead he attacks me and proceeded to respond that it's scummy for me to ask it.
The reason I call it being defensive is because I asked him a question, I see it as him being defensive for being called out to explain his vote.
I already pointed out that he calls me out for backpeddling and then drops it when I counter then point. I read post 46 as defensive.
He says no one should answer my question but both you and eco did answer and thinks it's scum motive. I don't see the scum motive, even with this:
I didn't vote anyone. I looked at my question as trying to get out of RVS quickly and if anyone was scum reaction to it.
Arcadic says he see's no town motive but the scum motive is what exactly?
As I said at the very beginning why would 2 people answer the question, where he comes off to me as overreacting to attacking to defensive.
That makes no sense to me.
As for the bold. I'm trying to understand your view on it. I noted you commented to arcadic and myself in this back and forth. You made points to him about me and me about him. I wonder where you stand on the issue.
@Iso: I disagree with your 90% scum 10% scum statistic.
I'll remind you that in Agatha Christy Mafia the majority of the attacks on you in that game came from town.
What case?
I could not have said this better.
I have. One game a player voted with a smiley face and a player that was town called him on being fake.
Player was scum. Weird thing for me because when I saw it I thought that seemed like such crap, but since then I pay more attention to RVS.
You didn't explain yourself either. Instead you asked a question in response to Iso's question and I don't see a reason either.
You said as much about yourself. How do you know that everyone is the same?
Lets say as an example: I see iLord in a game and he makes an RVS vote and is humorous in that game and in the next game he votes for no reason.
I would wonder in my mind why he was able to be humorous in that game and glib in this game.
That's meta, I know but it's still something I would be thinking of in my head.
I ASKED ARCADIC A QUESTION FIRST AND A ****ING SIMPLE QUESTION THAT I SEE HE OVERREACTS TO!!!
UGH
That is what freeking started the back and forth with me and iLord and me and Arcadic.
Stopped on post 131.
I will have to finish this up later.
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@Iso: Please explain that town read you have on Arcadic? I'm not seeing it.
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What facts are being mis-repped?
What about her gut are you /barning? He vote on me or that her questions about RVS votes?
Keep calling my attack on you defensive. Your trying to make something inconsequential into something tangable. You don't assume the mime's box is real. Your assuming there is a reason other than random for placing any vote and calling those who placed them scummy for placing them without reason.
Pretty sure we have been in a game together, ongoing and replacing out included.
Its a null-tell.
Wrong. Your right that you wanted to end the RVS, but your wrong that you wanted to see scum reactions.
You've already here declared us 3 scummy. You even spent your next 4 posts proving to Ilord that his was scummy and wrong for being impulsive!
Scum want to end the RVS to lynch people. Scum want to cast as much doubt on as many people as possible. Town don't question irrelevant votes to paint them as scummy asap.
I fail to see how my reaction is any different than Ilords. The only difference is the conclusion we came to, not our reactions.
Pretty sure he called your push null, as for me idnno.
You asked a loaded question and pulled the trigger. Also, the irony of an all caps over-reaction that talks about an over-reaction.
Look at the interactions again town. Pinky clearly paints 3 players as scummy for things people do in every game regardless of alignment. The only reason she's pushing on me is because i found her actions scummy, whereas the others brushed it off initially as null. The little bit of town pinky i know isn't that rash and impulsive with such a claim.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
Yup!
I will personally tear anyone who supports lynching you a new *******.
I don't think that's a fair statistic to use, considering I intentionally started a bad wagon on myself.
The bit about the RVS.
Once again, it's more because I have a stronger scum read on Anak, ~, and iLord. Plus I don't see any variation between this and town Arcadic.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If it was sooo inconsequential in your oppinon why did you you attack it? You made a case on it and now that I have my own case against you, my point is inconsequential but yours is apt?
So you say.
I explain my reasoning and my view on it, just like iLord explain his reasoning and his view on the opposite. I see why he felt and voted the way he did.
Whether he got my reason I don't know.
This exactly why I feel every post you make is spinning everything said by me as scummy.
Iso and myself just brought up examples of town catching scum with RVS. You have examples of scum doing the opposite? Because right now all I see is words without evidence.
iLord was calm, he explain his view. He was rational in his response. You reacted the same?
It's only loaded if your afraid. If your town you have nothing to fear.
Yup my case on post 70 was invisible.
The differences between us is I asked you questions. Each answer you provided you spinned into something only scum would do or ask.
As for my caps lock. I have said that state 4 times already. I'm getting pretty frustrated with people who continue to ignore that. You I asked one question and you went BOOM!
Not even close to a comparision.
@Iso: I have 2 games that are currently ongoing with Arcadic that I can not reference. Can you provide examples of what your refering to.
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In your own words, if its inconcequesial, then why ask questions about it? If your line of questions are inconsequential, then why ask them?
Show me how your original post leaves anything to interprate. You blatantly call us scummy and blatantly later admit it was to end the RVS.
Again, show me how your conversation matters then. You would not accept a Random vote for being random and badgered Ilord into explaining something that did not need explaining. Ever.
I will have an example after you flip scum of yet another scum ending the RVS.
I asked you here
and here
why your questions were made. You then cased and voted me. Show me as being irrational here.
BS. Scum ask loaded questions all the time to paint town in a dimmer light. Town have to be aware of such garbage and call the scum on it.
I asked you questions and i didn't like your answers. If i don't see the townie reasoning behind your actions and reponces, i'll call you on it.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
Negative.
Arcadic, are you saying that only scum end the RVS? Or rather, more often than not?
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
If I thought it was that scummy I would have voted one of you 3.
I accepted iLord reply to my question. That was his view. I in turn received information about him and his thought process. I didn't see anything in his response as an ulterior motive or untrue.
I got the idea that Eco's RVS was what I see as a joke vote. What I get from you is OMG you called me out how dare you.
Nice dodge again.
More words calling it scum without backing it up.
What did you not like?
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