The drawing from a hat part was (hopefully) a joke. I assumed it to be.
For the 4th time now, THE HAT WAS A FREAKING JOKE!!! Even if it wasn't, what motivation would the scum have? "Oh, I'm gonna draw a name out of a hat and try to get that guy lynched. The town will totally lynch over just that." I asked for a claim because I thought you would mess it up by doing something like claiming doctor. And it wasn't any comment. It was you putting the second vote on a random wagon. New scum do that in an attempt to blend in.
For the 4th time now, THE HAT WAS A FREAKING JOKE!!! Even if it wasn't, what motivation would the scum have? "Oh, I'm gonna draw a name out of a hat and try to get that guy lynched. The town will totally lynch over just that." I asked for a claim because I thought you would mess it up by doing something like claiming doctor. And it wasn't any comment. It was you putting the second vote on a random wagon. New scum do that in an attempt to blend in.
That's fine. He just went on long enough to make me start to think he was serious.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Anyway, I say we just lynch pinkfloyd and, assuming pinkyfloyd flips town and there are no extraneous circumstance come tomorrow (good luck with that) lynch Anaklusmos.
And at some point lynch pinkys_brian because I need to win my bet.
Anyway, I say we just lynch pinkfloyd and, assuming pinkyfloyd flips town and there are no extraneous circumstance come tomorrow (good luck with that) lynch Anaklusmos.
And at some point lynch pinkys_brian because I need to win my bet.
I say we give PF a little more time to defend himself.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Is your sarcasm meter broken, pinky? Or perhaps you're scum? Much as I was joking about the hat, Gigas was obviously joking about forcing you to claim. Gigas is a good player, when he said "claim derp derp derp", I think he was laughing with me, being silly. The purpose was also to scumhunt, however, as he admited; he had hoped that you actually would claim, despite there being so little pressure for you to actually do so, as an indicator that you were scum.
Post 117:, he calls everyone who was on your wagon scum. Well... most people. I was on that wagon too for a short period of time.
He did admit to retracting the scumcall on tezz soon after, but that still didn't explain why he didn't attract attention to the fact that I was on that wagon too.
I feel like most of Post 117 was a buddy attempt on me and jumping on a wagon that he thought would lynch very soon.
Post 119:
Overreacted to IUD's call that Mu was joking.
Post 126:
Accuses Gigas of OMGUS even after Gigas corrected him as to what OMGUS actually was.
I feel like it was clear why Gigas voted him.
This whole thing feels to me like he just jumped on what he felt like was the fastest wagon, then ran with it.
It'll be interesting to see what he does when he sees that Mu's wagon has stalled.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
It'll be interesting to see what he does when he sees that Mu's wagon has stalled.
It'll be far more interesting to see what he does when he sees his own wagon. That thing is tricked out, with thirty inch gold plated rims and horses imported from countries you haven't even heard of!
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Anaklusmos post comes off as telling people what to watch out for and almost feels like a teacher telling kids how to behave. If something is scummy it's scummy. How does it hurt a player if they are scum and you catch them?
fos: Anaklusmos
Why is it a concern? In case I am wrong, and he is town, he would attempt to show me that by not doing scummy things. Nobody is perfect, even if you believe you caught scum, does in no way mean you actually did catch one. Also, it may have come off a bit teachy, but this is a basic. Seeing as how I am on the more experienced end of the players, it is partially my job to educate the newer players.
Quote from sir mu »
I am not a ninny. You want the method behind my madness? I was sick and tired of taking mafia so seriously and tried to take a different route to scumhunting, one in which I could laugh and toy around a bit. It just so happens that I caught two town, which is still not bad. I wouldn't put Gigas is the town pile just yet, but I'll say he's leaning town.
I still say the hat knows all, and I'm keeping my bet, but I will be changing my vote. Your post Anaklusmos, oh, your post. I have a theory about your post. Either you're right and pinkfloyd is scum and or you're wrong and you're scum. I'm leaning you being scum at the moment, but too many wagons hurts the town, as then we take forever on a day 1 arguing over points that don't matter. Just like my questioning of tezzeret.
Also, just to clear up any misconceptions any of you may have about my argumentation regarding pinkfloyd and Anaklusmos, it's that the way both pinkfloyd and Anaklusmos posted makes me think that one or the other is scum, but not both. And they are both certainly not town, I'll eat a hundred hats before I believe that. And then I still won't believe it, but I will be full of hats.
For now, I'll place my vote on pinkfloyd, even though I think Anaklusmos is scummier, because I don't foresee an Anaklusmos wagon taking off day one, at least not day one right now. Plus if pinkfloyd flips town (or ends up claiming an un CC'd power role) then I view you all of being much more receptive to the idea of Anaklusmos being scum.
Unvote Vote Pinkfloyd
I think you took the name ninny too seriously, for that I apologize. A ninny to me is someone who is silly and likes to have fun, sometimes not in the smartest ways. I'm sorry if I offended you.
That said, what makes you believe that I am scum, if I am wrong about pinkfloyd? You said you read our posts, and that was all that you needed. I'm sorry, but that isn't enough reasoning for me. For some big theory like this, one you seem very set in, you should have some very solid proof. So, share it. Otherwise, you are mudslinging hard, and that is something that won't slide by.
@pinkfloyd Way to respond to nobody on your wagon.
Quote from pinkfloyd »
Is there any reason why I am at L-2? All I have done is post good reasoning why Sir Mu is acting scummy and you all jump onto a wagon to do with me?
Is no one thinking in this game! I ask that a few people unvote until everyone gets into this game and makes a proper post, like Wolf.
Yes, there are reasons you are at L-2. People have posted them, you should go back and respond to them. While Mu has done scummy things, you are attempting to deflect the town's attention onto him. Focus more on responding to the people accusing you first. The second part of your post isn't helping you either. Don't fearmonger, reply to the accusations against you.
Kill's reason- "He has done some really shady things." What is shady about pressuring Sir Mu and Gigas? Even making a good list of scummy actions. Oh and he even stated this:
I'm not ready to vote for PF just yet.
I still feel Mu is the lynch for today.
WHAT??
Anaklusmos reason- Because my vote on Gigas was just based off a bad OMGUS (supposedly) GUESS WHAT?? I DIDN'T VOTE GIGAS!!
Sir Mu's reason-
For now, I'll place my vote on pinkfloyd, even though I think Anaklusmos is scummier, because I don't foresee an Anaklusmos wagon taking off day one, at least not day one right now. Plus if pinkfloyd flips town (or ends up claiming an un CC'd power role) then I view you all of being much more receptive to the idea of Anaklusmos being scum.
So he thinks someone else is scummier and just wants to jump onto an easy wagon.
Gigas reason-
Honestly? There is never any proof. There can be no proof short of a cop investigation. He's more likely to be scum than other people. The @Everyone part is really forced...The repetition in it shows that. In fact, I would almost be willing to say that the repetition is scummier than what pinky did. Oh, and thinking everybody that jumped on that wagon is scum? That is either some really awful thinking, or scum trying to get a mislynch. Combining these, I'd say you are our most likely scum.
Because of repetition I deserve to be lynched.... yeah real nice. I never said anyone either, only Gigas and Sir Mu
InUtterDarkness' reason-
I think I'll Vote: pinkfloyd. He seems a little self-conscious, and I think he's taking Sir Mu's clowning a bit too seriously. Can't wait to find out what pinky's reaction will be though.
Becasue I am self conscious? Sir Mu said he was serious and not joking also.
Kill's reason- "He has done some really shady things." What is shady about pressuring Sir Mu and Gigas? Even making a good list of scummy actions. Oh and he even stated this:
WHAT??
I reread the thread and realized those reasons I put in my post. Mu being the lynch of the day was based mostly off the fact that I wasn't sure if he was joking.
Then I reread and came to the conclusions you see in my post about you.
Sir Mu's reason-
So he thinks someone else is scummier and just wants to jump onto an easy wagon.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Kill's reason- "He has done some really shady things." What is shady about pressuring Sir Mu and Gigas? Even making a good list of scummy actions. Oh and he even stated this:
So he thinks someone else is scummier and just wants to jump onto an easy wagon.
Quote from Sir Mu »
For now, I'll place my vote on pinkfloyd, even though I think Anaklusmos is scummier, because I don't foresee an Anaklusmos wagon taking off day one, at least not day one right now.
The posts you showed were not scummy at all. I have only been townie so far.
And honestly kill, do you think I should be at L-2?
Oh, you've been nothing but townie so far? That's good to know, hearing it from somebody as unbiased as you and in such a sincere way, too. I have completely changed my mind. Unvote.
Oh, and sorry about that last post. Didn't quite turn out the way I wanted...
Oh, you've been nothing but townie so far? That's good to know, hearing it from somebody as unbiased as you and in such a sincere way, too. I have completely changed my mind. Unvote.
Oh, and sorry about that last post. Didn't quite turn out the way I wanted...
Wait, what? You unvoted because he said he was town?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
he calls everyone who was on your wagon scum. Well... most people. I was on that wagon too for a short period of time.
He did admit to retracting the scumcall on tezz soon after, but that still didn't explain why he didn't attract attention to the fact that I was on that wagon too.
I feel like most of Post 117 was a buddy attempt on me and jumping on a wagon that he thought would lynch very soon.
Okay post #117
I didn't call everyone scum. I called tezz out on acting scummy but then the following post made by him is asking if Sir Mu is for real and unvoting. He explains how bad the situation looks and that is very town. It was not a buddy attempt at you, I was just trying to say you were the only sane person at the time of the pinky wagon.
Post 119:
Overreacted to IUD's call that Mu was joking.
Because Mu clearly stated many times that "This isn't a joke, pinky is scum and I know it". Only an idiot would say "hey man he was joking".
Post 126:
Accuses Gigas of OMGUS even after Gigas corrected him as to what OMGUS actually was.
I feel like it was clear why Gigas voted him.
This whole thing feels to me like he just jumped on what he felt like was the fastest wagon, then ran with it.
It'll be interesting to see what he does when he sees that Mu's wagon has stalled.
"Oh my god you suck" doesn't have to be a vote only when that person votes you, but if you are scum and feel threatened by a claim. I said that he was 1 of 2 scum and he voted for me directly after, can't you see that he is threatened?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I didn't call everyone scum. I called tezz out on acting scummy but then the following post made by him is asking if Sir Mu is for real and unvoting. He explains how bad the situation looks and that is very town. It was not a buddy attempt at you, I was just trying to say you were the only sane person at the time of the pinky wagon.
The scummy act Tezz did was being on the wagon, nothing else was mentioned. Leaving the wagon was counted as restoring confidence in him. Unless something else happened to be occuring while he was on the wagon and ending when he left, it is pretty obvious your suspicion was caused by him being on the wagon, therefore being on the wagon is scummy to you.
Because Mu clearly stated many times that "This isn't a joke, pinky is scum and I know it". Only an idiot would say "hey man he was joking".
Or somebody good at recognizing jokes. And don't call people idiots for suggesting you are scum or recognizing a joke, it reads as appeal to emotion. And, more interestingly, saying people are idiots for attacking you actually is OMGUS.
"Oh my god you suck" doesn't have to be a vote only when that person votes you, but if you are scum and feel threatened by a claim. I said that he was 1 of 2 scum and he voted for me directly after, can't you see that he is threatened?
The game action that you attempted to perform does not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia. I was not threatened by some person suggesting I was scum using horrible reasoning. Rather, I thought that somebody using horrible reasoning to suggest I was scum was scum themselves. That is called common effect, or correlation does not imply causation. Using horrible reasoning to suggest I was scum is scummy. Using horrible reasoning to suggest Sir Mu is scum is scummy. Using horrible reasoning to suggest anyone is scum is scummy. The fact that it was me is entirely coincidental. You can't say "I attacked you first, so I can use whatever kind of awful reasoning I want and you can't call me out on it because it's OMGUS." That game action comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia.
Oh, and I notice you aren't claiming what exactly you can do while almost half of us want you dead. Something to hide? Do you intend to turn us over to that thing in the bowl to save yourself?
Oh, and I notice you aren't claiming what exactly you can do while almost half of us want you dead. Something to hide? Do you intend to turn us over to that thing in the bowl to save yourself?
I'm sorry, for whatever reason I thought Inutterdarkness, Anaklusmos, and kill-joy were voting you as well. And you still haven't responded to my posts yet. And saying they don't matter because of OMGUS is utter BS and you know it.
I'm sorry, for whatever reason I thought Inutterdarkness, Anaklusmos, and kill-joy were voting you as well. And you still haven't responded to my posts yet. And saying they don't matter because of OMGUS is utter BS and you know it.
They are but I don't "want them all dead".
The scummy act Tezz did was being on the wagon, nothing else was mentioned. Leaving the wagon was counted as restoring confidence in him. Unless something else happened to be occuring while he was on the wagon and ending when he left, it is pretty obvious your suspicion was caused by him being on the wagon, therefore being on the wagon is scummy to you.
These quotes BEFORE I got in here pretty much redeemed him:
Well, you're both jumping on him for no real reason. Therefore it looks like you're trying to get the town to jump on people unnecessarily. Therefore if he flips town, it would seem like you're scum.
Are we jumping everybody tonight Mu?
Well then, Dagger seems to be lurking! Let's lynch him. (sarcasm btw)
And I totally agree with what kill-joy said. unvote If you actually come up with some evidence, I'll change my mind, but for now, this is ridiculous.
And Mu, you've jumped me, kill joy, and pinky. That's three.
I'll look back at some older games tomorrow and see if this is just Mu's gameplay, but I think I've played with him before and I don't remember him doing this, but right now I'm tired.
Or somebody good at recognizing jokes. And don't call people idiots for suggesting you are scum or recognizing a joke, it reads as appeal to emotion. And, more interestingly, saying people are idiots for attacking you actually is OMGUS.
I wasn't calling them idiots for suggesting I'm scum, I'm calling them idiots for thinking he was joking when he said he wasn't. In fact it had absolutely NOTHING to do with me being scummy.
The game action that you attempted to perform does not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia. I was not threatened by some person suggesting I was scum using horrible reasoning. Rather, I thought that somebody using horrible reasoning to suggest I was scum was scum themselves. That is called common effect, or correlation does not imply causation. Using horrible reasoning to suggest I was scum is scummy. Using horrible reasoning to suggest Sir Mu is scum is scummy. Using horrible reasoning to suggest anyone is scum is scummy. The fact that it was me is entirely coincidental. You can't say "I attacked you first, so I can use whatever kind of awful reasoning I want and you can't call me out on it because it's OMGUS." That game action comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia.
*thanks for that line, Seppel*
Well, you obviously have a different definition of OMGUS but I honestly think you voted me because you are scared.
I'm not sure right now. His whole move looks really suspicious, but at the same time, it looks so completely scummy that you would have to be a complete idiot to do it. I'm thinking that he might be a fool or just trying out a new style, but I definetly want to see some sort of proof from him, as well as a few other voices on here.
Anaklusmos post comes off as telling people what to watch out for and almost feels like a teacher telling kids how to behave. If something is scummy it's scummy. How does it hurt a player if they are scum and you catch them?
It comes off as what an experienced player would post. Out of the 12 of us, only Wolf with a Bass, Anaklasmos, Gigas1, and Night Archer have played more than a handful of games. I fully expected to be lectured in this game - isn't that what basics are supposed to be about?
Anyway, I say we just lynch pinkfloyd and, assuming pinkyfloyd flips town and there are no extraneous circumstance come tomorrow (good luck with that) lynch Anaklusmos
Don't like the second part of this post. When you start setting up lynch combos and saying "assuming someone flips town", that's a bad sign.
Kill's reason- "He has done some really shady things." What is shady about pressuring Sir Mu and Gigas? Even making a good list of scummy actions. Oh and he even stated this:
WHAT??
Anaklusmos reason- Because my vote on Gigas was just based off a bad OMGUS (supposedly) GUESS WHAT?? I DIDN'T VOTE GIGAS!!
Sir Mu's reason-
So he thinks someone else is scummier and just wants to jump onto an easy wagon.
Gigas reason-
Because of repetition I deserve to be lynched.... yeah real nice. I never said anyone either, only Gigas and Sir Mu
InUtterDarkness' reason-
Becasue I am self conscious? Sir Mu said he was serious and not joking also.
Every reason I have been voted for is stupid.
I thought it was pretty clear that he didn't ACTUALLY plan to lynch pinky based on absolutely nothing. You've played before, right? Have you been in other games where people do this stuff and get away with it?
I don't like that you made 5 or 6 posts while at L-2 without claiming, but the fact that we're missing people is about the only reason not to lynch you.
So I'll unvote, but I have every intention of revoting you soon.
The last time I played a game in this subforum was some time ago, and I've only played a handful of games - usually ending in disaster. I also try to be helpful when problems are pointed out, but there's been so much.... bad play.... in this game that it's not something easy to hone in on. Sir Mu has been a general disruptive force, making me want to lynch him.
Sir Mu, the role of a town player is to try and make sense of the chaos. When you do asinine things like basing wagons off of a joke, you aren't scumhunting, you're confusing the town. Even if you try to explain away what you did, you will have caused more damage to the town than helped it and it makes me want to lynch you. A townie's job is to catch scum, to make sense of the chaos and NOT spread it.
I believe that the votes on pinkfloyd are generally unfounded. Her wagon grew far too quickly for my liking with very little evidence. I think you guys need to back off and actually think about who might be scum and why. Look for people who act strange, try to think about what you would do or say in their shoes rather than looking at their play from the outside.
The last time I played a game in this subforum was some time ago, and I've only played a handful of games - usually ending in disaster. I also try to be helpful when problems are pointed out, but there's been so much.... bad play.... in this game that it's not something easy to hone in on. Sir Mu has been a general disruptive force, making me want to lynch him.
Sir Mu, the role of a town player is to try and make sense of the chaos. When you do asinine things like basing wagons off of a joke, you aren't scumhunting, you're confusing the town. Even if you try to explain away what you did, you will have caused more damage to the town than helped it and it makes me want to lynch you. A townie's job is to catch scum, to make sense of the chaos and NOT spread it.
I believe that the votes on pinkfloyd are generally unfounded. Her wagon grew far too quickly for my liking with very little evidence. I think you guys need to back off and actually think about who might be scum and why. Look for people who act strange, try to think about what you would do or say in their shoes rather than looking at their play from the outside.
Methinks thou might beath scum with thine buddy, pinfloyd.
@tezzeret12: Because of the hat. As I see you might not take this joke to well, it's just a method of scumhunting I wanted to try out. Fling random poo and see what catches scum. So far I've definitely for sure caught two town, you and tezzeret12. Also, I figured out two of our three scum depending on if pinkfloyd is scum or not. Otherwise, one scum.
If pinkfloyd is scum: pinfloyd(duh), NightArcher, X
If pinkfloyd isn't scum: Anaklusmos, X, X
That said, what makes you believe that I am scum, if I am wrong about pinkfloyd? You said you read our posts, and that was all that you needed. I'm sorry, but that isn't enough reasoning for me. For some big theory like this, one you seem very set in, you should have some very solid proof. So, share it. Otherwise, you are mudslinging hard, and that is something that won't slide by.
Good thing my job isn't to get scum to vote for their selves!
The last time I played a game in this subforum was some time ago, and I've only played a handful of games - usually ending in disaster. I also try to be helpful when problems are pointed out, but there's been so much.... bad play.... in this game that it's not something easy to hone in on. Sir Mu has been a general disruptive force, making me want to lynch him.
Sir Mu, the role of a town player is to try and make sense of the chaos. When you do asinine things like basing wagons off of a joke, you aren't scumhunting, you're confusing the town. Even if you try to explain away what you did, you will have caused more damage to the town than helped it and it makes me want to lynch you. A townie's job is to catch scum, to make sense of the chaos and NOT spread it.
I believe that the votes on pinkfloyd are generally unfounded. Her wagon grew far too quickly for my liking with very little evidence. I think you guys need to back off and actually think about who might be scum and why. Look for people who act strange, try to think about what you would do or say in their shoes rather than looking at their play from the outside.
Just to clarify then Mu, you don't believe Pinky is scum then?
Your bet was pretty stupid then.
Pinky might be scum, pinky might not be scum, but I certainly have no qualms about changing my avatar to My Little Pony if pinky is not scum. And if anyone wants to make fun of me over it, I can just say I lost a bet.
I have a theory about your post. Either you're right and pinkfloyd is scum and or you're wrong and you're scum. I'm leaning you being scum at the moment, but too many wagons hurts the town, as then we take forever on a day 1 arguing over points that don't matter. Just like my questioning of tezzeret.
Why do you have this theory when prior to Anak's comment you stated this:
He thinks the way pinkfloyd over-reacted to the hat was scummy. I can see where he's coming from, but I wouldn't say pinkfloyd is scum for sure. We're much more likely likely (100% likely, in fact) to lynch scum if we lynch pinky_brian.
Quote from ANAK"S »
Why is it a concern? In case I am wrong, and he is town, he would attempt to show me that by not doing scummy things. Nobody is perfect, even if you believe you caught scum, does in no way mean you actually did catch one. Also, it may have come off a bit teachy, but this is a basic. Seeing as how I am on the more experienced end of the players, it is partially my job to educate the newer players.
First part sound preemptive defense, second part is more understandable.
End of 15 and gigas has me completely confused. What was with all the quotes and unvote?
Quote from PINKFLYOD »
Because Mu clearly stated many times that "This isn't a joke, pinky is scum and I know it". Only an idiot would say "hey man he was joking".
How can he know for sure? I don't see how what Mu did was scummy with the hat thing.
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Now I have a question for you. How can you justify voting for somebody based on the fact that he doesn't consider lynching scum a plan? Because that's the one piece of evidence you have.
I've seen a number of times that a player does something crazy and then looks for people riding the wagon of crazy. It helps the game move on for one and two it is to scum hunt. Now explain how what Mu did was scum? Did you really think that every person is going to do "sure lets lynch pinky on a hat theory"?
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I fully expected to be lectured in this game - isn't that what basics are supposed to be about?
I don't know I never played basic before. I don't expect people to lecture others while making a case on them about how to play.
Speaking of which,
NightArcher you want to expand on any theories you have or just lecture?
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I've already bashed a few times.
For the 4th time now, THE HAT WAS A FREAKING JOKE!!! Even if it wasn't, what motivation would the scum have? "Oh, I'm gonna draw a name out of a hat and try to get that guy lynched. The town will totally lynch over just that." I asked for a claim because I thought you would mess it up by doing something like claiming doctor. And it wasn't any comment. It was you putting the second vote on a random wagon. New scum do that in an attempt to blend in.
All hail the hat.
The point he contradicted himself on was pretty much null.
It seemed to be a joke convo to me between tezz and mu.
That's fine. He just went on long enough to make me start to think he was serious.
Now that I know FOR SURE that he's not, Unvote
Heyyyyyyyyyyyy.
Some of us are.
Anyway, I say we just lynch pinkfloyd and, assuming pinkyfloyd flips town and there are no extraneous circumstance come tomorrow (good luck with that) lynch Anaklusmos.
And at some point lynch pinkys_brian because I need to win my bet.
I say we give PF a little more time to defend himself.
And as it is, some people have posted only once.
Hard to get a read on them just yet.
pinkfloyd (4) - InUtterDarkness, Gigas1, Anaklusmos, Sir Mu
Sir Mu (2) - pinkfloyd, tezzeret12
Gigas1 (2) - Scarius, pinkys_brian
It takes 7 votes to Lynch with 12 alive.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
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That's true I guess.
He has done some really shady things. I'm not gonna just let those things slide.
Vote PinkFloyd
You wanted to put me to L-2 for the weak tell and you called it out repeatedly based on an RVS.
Again I find it hard to believe that it's not fishing.
Like what for example?
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At least, that's what I read into it.
Am I correct, Gigas?
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Post 117:, he calls everyone who was on your wagon scum. Well... most people. I was on that wagon too for a short period of time.
He did admit to retracting the scumcall on tezz soon after, but that still didn't explain why he didn't attract attention to the fact that I was on that wagon too.
I feel like most of Post 117 was a buddy attempt on me and jumping on a wagon that he thought would lynch very soon.
Post 119:
Overreacted to IUD's call that Mu was joking.
Post 126:
Accuses Gigas of OMGUS even after Gigas corrected him as to what OMGUS actually was.
I feel like it was clear why Gigas voted him.
This whole thing feels to me like he just jumped on what he felt like was the fastest wagon, then ran with it.
It'll be interesting to see what he does when he sees that Mu's wagon has stalled.
It'll be far more interesting to see what he does when he sees his own wagon. That thing is tricked out, with thirty inch gold plated rims and horses imported from countries you haven't even heard of!
Wait... post it shows as 126 is 121. Sigh. You may have to manually look up post 126 then. Link's a bit broken.
These are not the droids you are looking for.
Thanks.
Also: *Stab*
* Sir Mu keels over, dead. His role is Cult (of the Hat) leader.
Is no one thinking in this game! I ask that a few people unvote until everyone gets into this game and makes a proper post, like Wolf.
LOL
This sound soooo insincere, you don't even know.
Why is it a concern? In case I am wrong, and he is town, he would attempt to show me that by not doing scummy things. Nobody is perfect, even if you believe you caught scum, does in no way mean you actually did catch one. Also, it may have come off a bit teachy, but this is a basic. Seeing as how I am on the more experienced end of the players, it is partially my job to educate the newer players.
I think you took the name ninny too seriously, for that I apologize. A ninny to me is someone who is silly and likes to have fun, sometimes not in the smartest ways. I'm sorry if I offended you.
That said, what makes you believe that I am scum, if I am wrong about pinkfloyd? You said you read our posts, and that was all that you needed. I'm sorry, but that isn't enough reasoning for me. For some big theory like this, one you seem very set in, you should have some very solid proof. So, share it. Otherwise, you are mudslinging hard, and that is something that won't slide by.
@pinkfloyd Way to respond to nobody on your wagon.
Yes, there are reasons you are at L-2. People have posted them, you should go back and respond to them. While Mu has done scummy things, you are attempting to deflect the town's attention onto him. Focus more on responding to the people accusing you first. The second part of your post isn't helping you either. Don't fearmonger, reply to the accusations against you.
WHAT??
Anaklusmos reason- Because my vote on Gigas was just based off a bad OMGUS (supposedly) GUESS WHAT?? I DIDN'T VOTE GIGAS!!
Sir Mu's reason-
So he thinks someone else is scummier and just wants to jump onto an easy wagon.
Gigas reason-
Because of repetition I deserve to be lynched.... yeah real nice. I never said anyone either, only Gigas and Sir Mu
InUtterDarkness' reason-
Becasue I am self conscious? Sir Mu said he was serious and not joking also.
Every reason I have been voted for is stupid.
LOL
Fixed**
LOL
Takes the hat and puts it on.
Mine now.
I reread the thread and realized those reasons I put in my post. Mu being the lynch of the day was based mostly off the fact that I wasn't sure if he was joking.
Then I reread and came to the conclusions you see in my post about you.
Oh, Ive still got my eye on him.
And honestly kill, do you think I should be at L-2?
LOL
If you're scum, yes.
Ok, do me a favor. Show me that the posts weren't scummy. Each one. If you show me that I'm wrong, I'll reconsider my vote on you.
As of right now, I think my posts show scummy intentions.
Oh, you've been nothing but townie so far? That's good to know, hearing it from somebody as unbiased as you and in such a sincere way, too. I have completely changed my mind. Unvote.
Oh, and sorry about that last post. Didn't quite turn out the way I wanted...
Wait, what? You unvoted because he said he was town?
I assumed the obvious sarcasm in that was obvious... Vote pinkfloyd to remove the game relevant part of that post from having effect.
Okay post #117
I didn't call everyone scum. I called tezz out on acting scummy but then the following post made by him is asking if Sir Mu is for real and unvoting. He explains how bad the situation looks and that is very town. It was not a buddy attempt at you, I was just trying to say you were the only sane person at the time of the pinky wagon.
Because Mu clearly stated many times that "This isn't a joke, pinky is scum and I know it". Only an idiot would say "hey man he was joking".
"Oh my god you suck" doesn't have to be a vote only when that person votes you, but if you are scum and feel threatened by a claim. I said that he was 1 of 2 scum and he voted for me directly after, can't you see that he is threatened?
LOL
Sorry. I'm a little tired right now. Meh.
The scummy act Tezz did was being on the wagon, nothing else was mentioned. Leaving the wagon was counted as restoring confidence in him. Unless something else happened to be occuring while he was on the wagon and ending when he left, it is pretty obvious your suspicion was caused by him being on the wagon, therefore being on the wagon is scummy to you.
Or somebody good at recognizing jokes. And don't call people idiots for suggesting you are scum or recognizing a joke, it reads as appeal to emotion. And, more interestingly, saying people are idiots for attacking you actually is OMGUS.
The game action that you attempted to perform does not comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia. I was not threatened by some person suggesting I was scum using horrible reasoning. Rather, I thought that somebody using horrible reasoning to suggest I was scum was scum themselves. That is called common effect, or correlation does not imply causation. Using horrible reasoning to suggest I was scum is scummy. Using horrible reasoning to suggest Sir Mu is scum is scummy. Using horrible reasoning to suggest anyone is scum is scummy. The fact that it was me is entirely coincidental. You can't say "I attacked you first, so I can use whatever kind of awful reasoning I want and you can't call me out on it because it's OMGUS." That game action comply with my perceived notion of best practices to execute within this game of forum-based mafia.
*thanks for that line, Seppel*
How is you and Mu half?
LOL
I'm sorry, for whatever reason I thought Inutterdarkness, Anaklusmos, and kill-joy were voting you as well. And you still haven't responded to my posts yet. And saying they don't matter because of OMGUS is utter BS and you know it.
They are but I don't "want them all dead".
These quotes BEFORE I got in here pretty much redeemed him:
I wasn't calling them idiots for suggesting I'm scum, I'm calling them idiots for thinking he was joking when he said he wasn't. In fact it had absolutely NOTHING to do with me being scummy.
Well, you obviously have a different definition of OMGUS but I honestly think you voted me because you are scared.
LOL
Eh, I guess you didn't really call people idiots for voting you. You did say it was stupid to do so, but fair enough. Point retracted.
Why would I be scared of a case that almost everybody was already thinking and that is about as water tight as a sieve?
Its just what I think I guess
And thanks man.
We still have 3 people who haven't posted yet...
LOL
You can't tell he's not being serious?
See above.
This whole interlude was pretty ridiculous, but it may have helped us catch scum.
It comes off as what an experienced player would post. Out of the 12 of us, only Wolf with a Bass, Anaklasmos, Gigas1, and Night Archer have played more than a handful of games. I fully expected to be lectured in this game - isn't that what basics are supposed to be about?
Don't like the second part of this post. When you start setting up lynch combos and saying "assuming someone flips town", that's a bad sign.
I thought it was pretty clear that he didn't ACTUALLY plan to lynch pinky based on absolutely nothing. You've played before, right? Have you been in other games where people do this stuff and get away with it?
I don't like that you made 5 or 6 posts while at L-2 without claiming, but the fact that we're missing people is about the only reason not to lynch you.
So I'll unvote, but I have every intention of revoting you soon.
Sir Mu, the role of a town player is to try and make sense of the chaos. When you do asinine things like basing wagons off of a joke, you aren't scumhunting, you're confusing the town. Even if you try to explain away what you did, you will have caused more damage to the town than helped it and it makes me want to lynch you. A townie's job is to catch scum, to make sense of the chaos and NOT spread it.
I believe that the votes on pinkfloyd are generally unfounded. Her wagon grew far too quickly for my liking with very little evidence. I think you guys need to back off and actually think about who might be scum and why. Look for people who act strange, try to think about what you would do or say in their shoes rather than looking at their play from the outside.
Methinks thou might beath scum with thine buddy, pinfloyd.
@tezzeret12:
Because of the hat.As I see you might not take this joke to well, it's just a method of scumhunting I wanted to try out. Fling random poo and see what catches scum. So far I've definitely for sure caught two town, you and tezzeret12. Also, I figured out two of our three scum depending on if pinkfloyd is scum or not. Otherwise, one scum.If pinkfloyd is scum: pinfloyd(duh), NightArcher, X
If pinkfloyd isn't scum: Anaklusmos, X, X
Good thing my job isn't to get scum to vote for their selves!
Unedited that would imply you're confirmed town twice over, tezzeret.
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Who do you think is scum?
Pinky might be scum, pinky might not be scum, but I certainly have no qualms about changing my avatar to My Little Pony if pinky is not scum. And if anyone wants to make fun of me over it, I can just say I lost a bet.
Why do you have this theory when prior to Anak's comment you stated this:
First part sound preemptive defense, second part is more understandable.
End of 15 and gigas has me completely confused. What was with all the quotes and unvote?
How can he know for sure? I don't see how what Mu did was scummy with the hat thing.
I've seen a number of times that a player does something crazy and then looks for people riding the wagon of crazy. It helps the game move on for one and two it is to scum hunt. Now explain how what Mu did was scum? Did you really think that every person is going to do "sure lets lynch pinky on a hat theory"?
I don't know I never played basic before. I don't expect people to lecture others while making a case on them about how to play.
Speaking of which,
NightArcher you want to expand on any theories you have or just lecture?
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Are you serious?