Personally, I think Seppel is lying. I am no history buff, but what if he is Jack the Ripper? An unidentified serial killer wouldn't have a birth date, so he'd have to make something up.
FYI, I strongly considered lying about when my character was born just because the flavor case seems so dumb to me. This is more directed to Ritalin/spectators than you guys.
Lying would have been unwise, though I agree that anyone voting Seppel for having an unusual birthdate is irresponsible or scum.
"Just to be clear, you think that Ritalin included only one 4000 year old dude in the game and made him scum without giving him any fake claims."
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Like, you think a dude is scum and will say so, but you don't CARE if he gets lynched?
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I mean, you could be the best analyst ever, but if you don't try to convince people you are right, what is the point?
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Because all I'm seeing right now is a lazy dude who doesn't want to back up his case that I'm tearing apart.
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2) Emo_Pinata
3) AsianInvasion
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You never know, people could have different or more in depth interpretations other than just "Seppel is a million years old."
Personally, I think Seppel is lying. I am no history buff, but what if he is Jack the Ripper? An unidentified serial killer wouldn't have a birth date, so he'd have to make something up.
Why he'd choose 2800 BC is beyond me. Wikipedia says a chinese emperor was born then, but that seems super off-flavor.
My guess, Seppel is trying to distract us with a red herring date, instead of making up something easy like 18'something.
Wow. I don't even know where to begin here... did you read the whole discussion about the claimed role?
Why would Seppel invent such a date to distract us?
Jack the Ripper... really? You say something like that then say that Seppel's claim is off-flavour...
FoS: Promatim
I'm here, have received my role and am ready to lurk. Or maybe I'll post. Who knows?
I think I'll spam post. But not now. When people say things, you'll see more Kracky stuff.
I'd just like to inform everyone here who doesn't know
me, I can be like this a lot. I don't do it on purpose though, I'm just like that.
As for TMM, I dunno. We're still in the random stage I guess (well, kind of transitioning) and I don't take anything that isn't in bold red seriously during random, so I dunno.
letting people know he can be a dick, this theme of involvement without content really begins here
Yeah, I was wondering about the Call of Cthulu thing myself. I've heard of the game and the sanity point thing, but have never played it. How does one go about losing their sanity in there? Just on the off chance we may have a rough equivalent here in mafia.
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see questions like this are used often by noob scum, it gives the guise of trying to help while not actually helping
I don't know, but I'm wondering if maybe certain people capable of especially gruesome things (different characters?) cast the lynching vote it might be an especially disgusting lynch scene and it could possibly cause loss of sanity for those who looked.
Again, just speculation. But I'm determined to figure out how these sanity points work.
this post also falls back on the intimate knowledge tell: I'm determined to figure out how these sanity points work, because I don't in any way know how they work, that's why I'm talking about them
Meh. Promatim's had some slightly scummy posts, enough to merit a FoS but not a vote just yet. As someone else stated before, a vote means you believe the person should be lynched. I'm not positive about lynching Promatim, but I am watching him closely.
if you sit any harder on that fence it's going to split your sack bro
can you set up any more than I'm not positive about lynching this guy but I'm watching him closely? holy crap, why not just go all the way and say I'm perfectly willing to lynch anyone in the game but not right now
I may just be a dimwitted unobservant moron, or I may just not have played Mafia on MTGS/with Seppel before, but what's so scummy about Seppel?
another nothing post, coupled with some excuses, which is nice
part of setting up happens because scum expect failure by the way, they know they are lynching townies, so hey I'm just a big dumb idiot not a scum lol
How am I scum? Is it because of that suggestion about the poem? Well, that's the way my mind works. Have you ever read the Redwall books? There's a lot of stuff involving similar riddles etc in them. I read those books so many times when I was younger (and still do from time to time) and whenever I came across a puzzle in a book I hadn't yet read or hadn't read in ages I would challenge myself to solve the riddle if possible before I read the answer. I'm hardwired ro look at things that way. I looked at it and the first thing I noticed was that it talked about a total of six numbers and there were six rows of dashes. I couldn't figure out what exactly was the purpose of the dashes/blanks, so that was as far as I got.
then we get this post, which is like surprising a cat and watching it go fifteen feet in the air
so there ya go, this guy is scum, I would bet all the farms on it
And Nachoyoss: Am I supposed to be stopping you from yelling at Bat because I'm also voting Seppel? I mean you asked me to chime in but I'm not sure what you are hoping to accomplish by me defending bat. I mean I'm sure it's always fun for people who have never done it the first time they engage me in combat, but I thought you were harder to impress than that
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Well lets see, first is the joke post, which I do give some creedence to, but I like to put that in a body of work instead of considering it as solid in the scum department, since townies joke too sometimes.
Three posts of no content which can be scummy, but when you consider KS dissapeared and provided positively zero the entire day I'm of the belief he just wasn't paying attention or reading at all.
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see questions like this are used often by noob scum, it gives the guise of trying to help while not actually helping
True, questions like that are often asked by noob scum so they look active. However, noob town who get easily confused also ask these sorts of questions.
this post also falls back on the intimate knowledge tell: I'm determined to figure out how these sanity points work, because I don't in any way know how they work, that's why I'm talking about them
p.s. more flavor speculation
Oh so does that make me scum then?
Oh wait I see it now. So for those wondering I got this far in a counterargument then it hit me like a bag of bricks to the facial region.
Seppel is still the right play though imo, Krack is my consolation prize.
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Just to be clear, you think that Ritalin included only one 4000 year old dude in the game and made him scum without giving him any fake claims. To me, this is the same as you saying "the mod is terrible, lynch this guy now".
You won't win this one, it's getting to the point where this guy is just trolling about it. I already went over this in as many words, and he just said more and more ridiculous stuff.
His response to this is so classic by the way, I laughed pretty hard.
Oh did bat ever respond at all to the fact that he broke his pr? I didn't see it, so I would think not responding to that at all certainly isn't a good thing.
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Oh did bat ever respond at all to the fact that he broke his pr? I didn't see it, so I would think not responding to that at all certainly isn't a good thing.
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A majority of your read seems to be a summary of a player's actions. How did you categorize them as you did here?
Well, these were my notes I took down as I was reading them from the beginning of the thread. as I got closer to the night, I posted up whatever I had written down. and I organized them by how I think they are 'affecting' the town as a whole. At first glance those who are actively discussing and throwing opinions and analysis everywhere i put in the town pile. on the opposite end, I put down those who had either some weird posts or had reacted badly under pressure (Asian, Talore, and promatim). And those in the middle are leaning their respective ways on the basis of their opinions and their post count.
I did mention that I would place my vote and get my thoughts out there though. and since I wasn't up to speed last night, here it is now.
Top Scum
Promatim
Talore
Emo_Pinata (no opinion when it comes to top 3 town/scum?)
And my vote towards: Vote Promatim
His inactivity is irking me. and his introduciton of a SK analysis, while opening up a new view point to analyze, seems to come out from left field.
"It's speculation as to his motive for randomly namechecking Jack the Ripper in his most recent post."
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Personally, I think Seppel is lying. I am no history buff, but what if he is Jack the Ripper? An unidentified serial killer wouldn't have a birth date, so he'd have to make something up.
not a profound, "What if this guy is the SK?!" He mentioned the idea of "what if this is the case? He could be this guy, who is a serial killer." But it hit me more like "o yea. This is bigger than a basic, more roles can/probably are implemented in this game." Or it could be just be rambling. Just speculation.
So either Promatim actually is the SK (assuming there is one, which I doubt) and stupidly tried to get suspicion off of himself, or he's just baselessly speculating. I'm guessing it's the latter.
So either Promatim actually is the SK (assuming there is one, which I doubt) and stupidly tried to get suspicion off of himself, or he's just baselessly speculating. I'm guessing it's the latter.
if it were something like the former it would be far more likely he was mafia, as mafia analysis also includes finding serial killers
I stated an opinion. You asked me to clarify. I clarified. And now you claimed it was because I was continuing to press this?
I didn't ask for clarification. I said I cannot see how it is a backpedal. You pressed by saying: "No you said one thing and did another".
And I never said you were defending everyone in the game.
That's what thinking everyone is town entails.
You are in my scum list and when you claimed that you have no idea where to pursue next because the few people you deemed as scums didn't seem like scums anymore, I proposed the possibility that you lack direction because you know they are town.
You've inserted that opinion by skimming what I said. Read it again and show where I thought they were town.
It was a jab.
A jab to see how you responded and you exploded because of it?
An explosion? That's not what I'd call that. As a jab to probe for a reaction, then the reaction of "that's not what I said" seems appropriate. What reaction would you deem not an explosion?
It's a valid tell because it's true.
The SK point on Promatim is garbage. I won't answer for him, but it's a crap point. Speaking of which:
not a profound, "What if this guy is the SK?!" He mentioned the idea of "what if this is the case? He could be this guy, who is a serial killer." But it hit me more like "o yea. This is bigger than a basic, more roles can/probably are implemented in this game." Or it could be just be rambling. Just speculation.
It seems odd to confuse the man of speculation by speculating on what he said, why he said it, and the implications of it. The problem I have is simple: your speculation does not point out how or why what he said is scummy, but you included it in your reasons for voting for him. "Intro to SK analysis" turned into "there could be an SK in this game", and its still scummy.
But the Book can be transferred and thus if he lied about it, he would have been found out the moment it happened? You're suggesting Seppel is trying to buy himself a single night?
I can see at least one way that he could buy himself a lot of time. I'm not going to say it. And if there's one way, there are probably others.
Conversely, by the same reasoning, if the book is as he said it is, you would believe Seppel is town?
It becomes far more likely. And since I didn't really see anything in the cases that would cause me to vote him, then yes, I would believe that he's town.
If kpaca were a dayvig and shot someone for the hell of it I would not be pleased. However, he does not have unilateral control over the sanity mechanic so far as we know, and as a result his suggestion to make a volunteer lose his sanity was nothing but discussion. All of your arguments presuppose guilt on my behalf and work backwards to prove this conclusion. You fail to see what I'm thinking and how my perspective differs from yours.
I've only been talking about the discussion. But the discussion was on how to make someone random lose their sanity to see what happened.
Quotes would help, unless you're referring to the part where I said that you hadn't done anything pro-town, because that isn't even ad hom.
Your first response to my questioning it was "more pro-town than anything you've done so far". That's tantamount to saying, "you've done nothing pro-town, so your point is invalid".
Considering that the first of those players was someone who'd never played a MTGS game before and had no meta experience and little name recognition, I wasn't worried that he got a bad vibe from me because his case wasn't great. When the second of those players, someone who'd played with me on several occasions and is well-respected in the community wants me to respond, then I do so. Is that so hard to grasp?
Didn't I already say that kpaca echoing the sentiment that I should explain myself was enough in addition to his drawn-out conversation with burboy on the topic? If not, consider it said.
I'm just lumping these three together because they all deal with the same topic.
I used to shoot down bad cases against me as a n00b but nowadays I just ignore them because most of the time everyone else also sees that they're bad. (Meta helps in this regard.)
Either way, whether kpaca agreed with it or not, it was still what you called a "bad case". Therefore, by your own reasoning, you shouldn't have responded to it. That reminds me:
If this argument is so bad, if I'm reaching so much, then why are you responding to it? Mm?
It would be nice if you went away, but that's more to do with your lack of a case than me having made what you think are scummy plays. Also, I like how you think you're some kind of AsianInvasion meta expert. Get back to me once you find what you think you're looking for.
I don't think I would do a very good job at telling this guy's town and scum games apart because I tend to have a hard time separating n00b town from n00b scum. I'll probably just go with the majority if this wagon develops.
I have called some people out for not voting. It would seem hypocritical of me to not vote myself. I would ask for some more time though, so that i may finish catching up with the thread though. I would think that, at least on the first day, one would have an opinion on who they think is the best lynch for the day. Tomorrow (i would think barring time constraints) i hope to catch up and place my vote by the nights end (US EST).
You never know, people could have different or more in depth interpretations other than just "Seppel is a million years old."
Personally, I think Seppel is lying. I am no history buff, but what if he is Jack the Ripper? An unidentified serial killer wouldn't have a birth date, so he'd have to make something up.
Why he'd choose 2800 BC is beyond me. Wikipedia says a chinese emperor was born then, but that seems super off-flavor.
My guess, Seppel is trying to distract us with a red herring date, instead of making up something easy like 18'something.
Ridiculous speculation, excuse to jump on Seppel wagon, Unvote, Vote Promatim. The argument being presented seems so made up and false that it's just ridiculous.
Uh, I'll respond abrasively to other stuff, too? I'm not really sure what you are talking about anymore. If you want me to explain a specific thing, it'd probably help if you quoted it.
there is a difference about not reading your posts and missing one where you clarify about not wanting to softclaim(?)
What is the difference between not reading my posts and failing to see where I claimed the year at the end of a really long post you probably didn't read?
And Nachoyoss: Am I supposed to be stopping you from yelling at Bat because I'm also voting Seppel? I mean you asked me to chime in but I'm not sure what you are hoping to accomplish by me defending bat. I mean I'm sure it's always fun for people who have never done it the first time they engage me in combat, but I thought you were harder to impress than that
I just meant, since you also want to lynch Seppel, if you disagreed with any of my points or felt like trying to convince me I'm wrong about him, feel free to jump into the discussion. I'm not really sure why you still want to lynch him.
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Haha, ok dude, we all know you are faking a PR. Like, you clearly don't have to talk in little boxes or always be in character or something, because you've broken those. So, what could your PR be that's still legitimate? I'm drawing a blank. I'm calling the bluff, and you should consider knocking it off.
@Mod: FYI, if Bats has a PR that requires him to type in little boxes and act like a douche, he broke it in a post I quoted recently.
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that post is much worse than the mention of the words serial killer, which in context isn't even the serial killer of the mafia variety
Do you see how aggravated I am right now?
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That part you quoted from me was me commenting on your response to Talore's PBPA, which was right above it.
Ok, I don't remember that entirely and I can't be certain without the rest of the context around it, but I think that I thought you were talking about the kpaca thing there. Like, Talore mentioned it against me, and I was still talking about my reaction to kpaca where I guess you thought I was telling Talore to "go stuff himself"?
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what?
if someone points out someone as the sk, they are probably mafia because they think they are scum but they know they aren't in the mafia
akl;jdajklaf guys lets talk about this as much as possible tia
"It's gone awfully quiet in here. Is it lunch break and nobody told me?"
"We still have work to do today."
"Those of you who want to lynch someone other than Seppel still have a lot of work to do today."
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I care if we lynch a scum or not, but after many games of Mafia do you know what I've learned? It's actually possible for me to be wrong. Consequently I play by evidence, not by browbeating the Town into going along with my ego.
Going back to this, really? How can you possibly believe playing so passively is a good thing? Like, I question your logic about the guy you want DEAD, and you just go "Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. People can decide, I don't need to argue about it." That is so foreign to me, I don't even know. Like, it's possible to be wrong for sure, but your opinion as a townie should be the only thing you know is genuine (most of the time). Given that you want to win the game, if you think that a course of action is in your teams best interest, how can you NOT want to argue for it?
To use a magic metaphor, you seem to think that the town is control against scum aggro? Because I'd be willing to bet I've played more mafia than you, and I am pretty damn certain that's backwards.
@Others: Do any of you that have played with this guy think this passivity is in character for him? I mean, he is the kind of person who fakes a really pretentious posting restriction too, so I'm kind of at a loss here.
I'd be willing to bet I've played more mafia than you
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if someone points out someone as the sk, they are probably mafia because they think they are scum but they know they aren't in the mafia
Okay, just reread what I had missed, and the current discussion. Referencing post 696, I have to agree that Promatim is scum. Therefore, Vote: Promatim. Sorry to everyone for not being more active/lurking, but between learning jujitsu, my job and various social occasions (my mother's birthday) I have not had much time to post here since I got back from Maryland.
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Regarding Emo_Pinata, after a quick look at his posts, he never actually said anything about not being alive in the 1900s until the same post he repudiates it. The closest statement I see to it before then was one implying that centuries of birth was meaningless.
Also, I think you're on the wrong track with bateleur. This is not particularly unusual for him.
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I don't think I like how noncommittal you are on TeknoLink.
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There is a likelihood Seppel is scum. I just don't think he's scummier at this time than TMM, Promatim, and several other individuals.
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Oh wow thanks for your wonderful contributions DC. I would also like to thank you for referencing TMM and Promatim as top scum suspects, but not mentioning them at all otherwise. Consider yourself in the list with Seppel and Krackshoot.
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Ridiculous speculation, excuse to jump on Seppel wagon, Unvote, Vote Promatim. The argument being presented seems so made up and false that it's just ridiculous.
Except I've had my vote on Seppel for a while.
Why do you think Seppel making up his date is "ridiculous speculation?"
FOS Nacho Wizard - Threatening to vig Bateleur for making fun of you seems like fearmongering. You've been playing in a very hostile manner this whole game. I had you pegged as aggressive town, but your vig threat at Bateleur seems baseless and illogical.
You haven't voted or even FOS'ed bateleur, but you want to kill him tonight? So do you think he's mafia, or do you just threaten unknowns when they insult your playskill?
If you have any case against bateleur, how about sharing with the class.
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Why do you think Seppel making up his date is "ridiculous speculation?"
FOS Nacho Wizard - Threatening to vig Bateleur for making fun of you seems like fearmongering. You've been playing in a very hostile manner this whole game. I had you pegged as aggressive town, but your vig threat at Bateleur seems baseless and illogical.
You haven't voted or even FOS'ed bateleur, but you want to kill him tonight? So do you think he's mafia, or do you just threaten unknowns when they insult your playskill?
If you have any case against bateleur, how about sharing with the class.
Are you reading at leat 51% of the posts in this thread? This is a serious question btw, because frankly I think some of my brain just leaked out my ear.
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Hear, hear.
Lying would have been unwise, though I agree that anyone voting Seppel for having an unusual birthdate is irresponsible or scum.
Unvote
Vote Promatim
So, are you just admitting outright that you don't read my posts or what
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Wow. I don't even know where to begin here... did you read the whole discussion about the claimed role?
Why would Seppel invent such a date to distract us?
Jack the Ripper... really? You say something like that then say that Seppel's claim is off-flavour...
FoS: Promatim
I don't have a birthday
lemme get on that krackshot pbpa even though he's getting replaced
there is a difference about not reading your posts and missing one where you clarify about not wanting to softclaim(?)
what are you? a clone?
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letting people know he can be a dick, this theme of involvement without content really begins here
nothing post
nothing post
boom
see questions like this are used often by noob scum, it gives the guise of trying to help while not actually helping
more flavor questions
this post also falls back on the intimate knowledge tell: I'm determined to figure out how these sanity points work, because I don't in any way know how they work, that's why I'm talking about them
p.s. more flavor speculation
if you sit any harder on that fence it's going to split your sack bro
can you set up any more than I'm not positive about lynching this guy but I'm watching him closely? holy crap, why not just go all the way and say I'm perfectly willing to lynch anyone in the game but not right now
another nothing post, coupled with some excuses, which is nice
part of setting up happens because scum expect failure by the way, they know they are lynching townies, so hey I'm just a big dumb idiot not a scum lol
and more flavor speculation, which is just marvelous
this is the scum version of analysis by the way, because they can't analyze people they analyze flavor and roles
then we get this post, which is like surprising a cat and watching it go fifteen feet in the air
so there ya go, this guy is scum, I would bet all the farms on it
oh hang on let me full claim for you
And Nachoyoss: Am I supposed to be stopping you from yelling at Bat because I'm also voting Seppel? I mean you asked me to chime in but I'm not sure what you are hoping to accomplish by me defending bat. I mean I'm sure it's always fun for people who have never done it the first time they engage me in combat, but I thought you were harder to impress than that
why not
Three posts of no content which can be scummy, but when you consider KS dissapeared and provided positively zero the entire day I'm of the belief he just wasn't paying attention or reading at all.
True, questions like that are often asked by noob scum so they look active. However, noob town who get easily confused also ask these sorts of questions.
Oh so does that make me scum then?
Oh wait I see it now. So for those wondering I got this far in a counterargument then it hit me like a bag of bricks to the facial region.
Seppel is still the right play though imo, Krack is my consolation prize.
You won't win this one, it's getting to the point where this guy is just trolling about it. I already went over this in as many words, and he just said more and more ridiculous stuff.
His response to this is so classic by the way, I laughed pretty hard.
uh, good post?
still want me to touch on those issues or what??
Not unless you want to.
I'm from a super exclusive school of mafia thought that involves not explaining ideas. I wouldn't join this school though, we have bad lunches.
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Well, these were my notes I took down as I was reading them from the beginning of the thread. as I got closer to the night, I posted up whatever I had written down. and I organized them by how I think they are 'affecting' the town as a whole. At first glance those who are actively discussing and throwing opinions and analysis everywhere i put in the town pile. on the opposite end, I put down those who had either some weird posts or had reacted badly under pressure (Asian, Talore, and promatim). And those in the middle are leaning their respective ways on the basis of their opinions and their post count.
I did mention that I would place my vote and get my thoughts out there though. and since I wasn't up to speed last night, here it is now.
Top Scum
Promatim
Talore
Emo_Pinata (no opinion when it comes to top 3 town/scum?)
And my vote towards:
Vote Promatim
His inactivity is irking me. and his introduciton of a SK analysis, while opening up a new view point to analyze, seems to come out from left field.
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I missed this, help pls
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post 696
not a profound, "What if this guy is the SK?!" He mentioned the idea of "what if this is the case? He could be this guy, who is a serial killer." But it hit me more like "o yea. This is bigger than a basic, more roles can/probably are implemented in this game." Or it could be just be rambling. Just speculation.
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Quotes in blog.
if it were something like the former it would be far more likely he was mafia, as mafia analysis also includes finding serial killers
That's what thinking everyone is town entails.
You've inserted that opinion by skimming what I said. Read it again and show where I thought they were town.
An explosion? That's not what I'd call that. As a jab to probe for a reaction, then the reaction of "that's not what I said" seems appropriate. What reaction would you deem not an explosion?
The SK point on Promatim is garbage. I won't answer for him, but it's a crap point. Speaking of which:
It seems odd to confuse the man of speculation by speculating on what he said, why he said it, and the implications of it. The problem I have is simple: your speculation does not point out how or why what he said is scummy, but you included it in your reasons for voting for him. "Intro to SK analysis" turned into "there could be an SK in this game", and its still scummy.
It becomes far more likely. And since I didn't really see anything in the cases that would cause me to vote him, then yes, I would believe that he's town.
Well played, sir, well played.
I've only been talking about the discussion. But the discussion was on how to make someone random lose their sanity to see what happened.
Your first response to my questioning it was "more pro-town than anything you've done so far". That's tantamount to saying, "you've done nothing pro-town, so your point is invalid".
Once again, that conflicts with this:
Either way, whether kpaca agreed with it or not, it was still what you called a "bad case". Therefore, by your own reasoning, you shouldn't have responded to it. That reminds me:
If this argument is so bad, if I'm reaching so much, then why are you responding to it? Mm?
Oh, that part's not arguing that you're scum, it's merely disassembling your argument.
And I need to finish checking all the games. Which makes this incredibly tiring. I know I was partway through the town games...
And I thought Promatim's fencesitting was bad...
You're a newb town and you're okay... *humming*
Ridiculous speculation, excuse to jump on Seppel wagon, Unvote, Vote Promatim. The argument being presented seems so made up and false that it's just ridiculous.
Right, of course. Here:
That part you quoted from me was me commenting on your response to Talore's PBPA, which was right above it.
Wait, why?
Wouldn't a SK win if the town was dead?
Quotes in blog.
what?
if someone points out someone as the sk, they are probably mafia because they think they are scum but they know they aren't in the mafia
What is the difference between not reading my posts and failing to see where I claimed the year at the end of a really long post you probably didn't read?
I just meant, since you also want to lynch Seppel, if you disagreed with any of my points or felt like trying to convince me I'm wrong about him, feel free to jump into the discussion. I'm not really sure why you still want to lynch him.
Haha, ok dude, we all know you are faking a PR. Like, you clearly don't have to talk in little boxes or always be in character or something, because you've broken those. So, what could your PR be that's still legitimate? I'm drawing a blank. I'm calling the bluff, and you should consider knocking it off.
@Mod: FYI, if Bats has a PR that requires him to type in little boxes and act like a douche, he broke it in a post I quoted recently.
Do you see how aggravated I am right now?
Ok, I don't remember that entirely and I can't be certain without the rest of the context around it, but I think that I thought you were talking about the kpaca thing there. Like, Talore mentioned it against me, and I was still talking about my reaction to kpaca where I guess you thought I was telling Talore to "go stuff himself"?
akl;jdajklaf guys lets talk about this as much as possible tia
I really try my best to avoid most of your posts
Really? Why? ;__;
OOooohhh! Alright, I get the reasoning now.
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...Did you just claim scum?
Going back to this, really? How can you possibly believe playing so passively is a good thing? Like, I question your logic about the guy you want DEAD, and you just go "Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. People can decide, I don't need to argue about it." That is so foreign to me, I don't even know. Like, it's possible to be wrong for sure, but your opinion as a townie should be the only thing you know is genuine (most of the time). Given that you want to win the game, if you think that a course of action is in your teams best interest, how can you NOT want to argue for it?
To use a magic metaphor, you seem to think that the town is control against scum aggro? Because I'd be willing to bet I've played more mafia than you, and I am pretty damn certain that's backwards.
@Others: Do any of you that have played with this guy think this passivity is in character for him? I mean, he is the kind of person who fakes a really pretentious posting restriction too, so I'm kind of at a loss here.
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Fascinating. So, I'm pretty sure I want to vig you tonight. I recommend making your peace with Cthulu.
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no dude, I am not the person here who is always scum
also look at my pbpa and tell me what you think
Okay, just reread what I had missed, and the current discussion. Referencing post 696, I have to agree that Promatim is scum. Therefore, Vote: Promatim. Sorry to everyone for not being more active/lurking, but between learning jujitsu, my job and various social occasions (my mother's birthday) I have not had much time to post here since I got back from Maryland.
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Regarding Emo_Pinata, after a quick look at his posts, he never actually said anything about not being alive in the 1900s until the same post he repudiates it. The closest statement I see to it before then was one implying that centuries of birth was meaningless.
Also, I think you're on the wrong track with bateleur. This is not particularly unusual for him.
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I don't think I like how noncommittal you are on TeknoLink.
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There is a likelihood Seppel is scum. I just don't think he's scummier at this time than TMM, Promatim, and several other individuals.
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Except I've had my vote on Seppel for a while.
Why do you think Seppel making up his date is "ridiculous speculation?"
FOS Nacho Wizard - Threatening to vig Bateleur for making fun of you seems like fearmongering. You've been playing in a very hostile manner this whole game. I had you pegged as aggressive town, but your vig threat at Bateleur seems baseless and illogical.
You haven't voted or even FOS'ed bateleur, but you want to kill him tonight? So do you think he's mafia, or do you just threaten unknowns when they insult your playskill?
If you have any case against bateleur, how about sharing with the class.
are you ☺☺☺☺ing serious
Are you reading at leat 51% of the posts in this thread? This is a serious question btw, because frankly I think some of my brain just leaked out my ear.