2) Third vote means nothing to me, as does votes piling high in the joke phase. It might mean something if the mafia gained something from casting a vote, but its not like anyone is ever going to be lynched that soon, and if they were, and the mafia was on the wagon, then that would be great information anyway. If the town was all over that wagon during joke stage, then the town sucks, and playing mafia here wouldn't be very much fun.
In my experience, the further votes get on a wagon in the random stage, you get exponentially more likely that the latest voter is mafia.
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Yeah, I realized that didn't make any sense after I wrote it.
What I was trying to get across is that it's hard to fake that kind of "noobiness."
Also, LOL @ Exlight rage voting AE, then unvoting.
Yeah, I realized that didn't make any sense after I wrote it.
What I was trying to get across is that it's hard to fake that kind of "noobiness."
Also, LOL @ Exlight rage voting AE, then unvoting.
Ouch you & manders are really hurting my self esteem. At least i'm not the worse new player ever...right?
I think Exlight had a pretty large waffling moment right there.
FOS: shalako, for now, my reasoning of my faked confusion based on the fact he has already played at least one game
learn to read. I'm in one other game right now. It's still on day one. Since you did this it seems like you didn't read the thread at all. I know enough to know thats a scum move.
I'm still wary to place my vote because of my TMM vote blowback
learn to read. I'm in one other game right now. It's still on day one. Since you did this it seems like you didn't read the thread at all. I know enough to know thats a scum move.
I'm still wary to place my vote because of my TMM vote blowback
FOS: Exlight
how far intoday one? if your beyond random stage then you know omgus
hell you should know omgus within like the first 3 random stage votes
Ouch you & manders are really hurting my self esteem. At least i'm not the worse new player ever...right?
I think Exlight had a pretty large waffling moment right there.
not enough for a vote from me but noted.
( that is terminology correct?)
You're definitely not, trust me. I was worse. And don't take it personally, it's not like you suck.
Waffling is correct.
I would be okay with an Exlight wagon as well, his last posts were highly suspect.
Yeah I got a better things to do. I only got though the ~~22-26
Would you like to address the points or will you keep deflecting and posting no content?
all i see are 4 people contemplating a wagon on me because i missinterperted your posts and called you a faker because any noob should know omgus,would you like to tell me said points i should respond too?
all i see are 4 people contemplating a wagon on me because i missinterperted your posts and called you a faker because any noob should know omgus,would you like to tell me said points i should respond too?
You are most definitely misinterpreting why we are considering it, or you just aren't reading it properly.
I think a soft claim is generally useful, but I'm not really seeing much point at the moment. I mean yeah we could claim color, but all that would really accomplish is lock in a color for later.
I'm more interested in one of the veteran's telling us what's up with Shalako, because honestly I cannot come up with anything, and 22bebo's mass claim. Why in the world would you suggest a mass claim immediately after I give that as an example of fishing?
EBWODP: Wow, I fail at seeing there are two extra pages.
The Shalako case was not at all what I was thinking, so to me at least it's interesting... Why is that considered such a big deal? I mean... I partially get it, I get the fact that he was jumping on a wagon, but within 20 posts it doesn't seem (to me) like that big of a deal...
Not sure what to think on ExLight. Definitely reading a lot of confusion, and right now I'm leaning to the scummy side. Need to reread...
Seriously? 7 pages since last night. If this pace keeps up we'll break speed records.
Not keen on a Shalako wagon but am intrerested in the ExLight wagon. I can /barn the opinion is a decent wagon for now. I'll do a deeper read over the weekend if the thread doesn't explode to 30 pages by then.
2) Third vote means nothing to me, as does votes piling high in the joke phase. It might mean something if the mafia gained something from casting a vote, but its not like anyone is ever going to be lynched that soon, and if they were, and the mafia was on the wagon, then that would be great information anyway. If the town was all over that wagon during joke stage, then the town sucks, and playing mafia here wouldn't be very much fun.
There are many ob this site that react this way in a 12 player game.
See, I'm getting something different here. I'm not liking bebo and I'm not getting scum vibes from Shalako. Noob yes, definitely noob.
I think I agree with you on Shalako. His responses seem pretty noob town with a little town frustration to boot.
Unvote
bebo could go either way. I need him to post content to really get a read.
Lol here we go. The start of the flailing. Not much of a wagon yet.
Man, he acted this way when he was in my game and he was town. I'm not gonna make a decision on him just yet.
E, when you get back on, calm down, man. Try to post legibly, and read before you post. Yes, this is coaching because I know him. He's too excited and he won't make sense while he's excited.
Ouch you & manders are really hurting my self esteem. At least i'm not the worse new player ever...right?
Man, you can't take this game to heart. You won't have any fun. Nobody told me this in my first game and when I got to my second game, I was blowing up left and right. Trust me.
I think Exlight had a pretty large waffling moment right there.
not enough for a vote from me but noted.
Could have been. I'm still gonna wait to see more to make a decision.
learn to read. I'm in one other game right now. It's still on day one. Since you did this it seems like you didn't read the thread at all. I know enough to know thats a scum move.
I'm still wary to place my vote because of my TMM vote blowback
FOS: Exlight
If you have true, scummy feelings on someone, don't be afraid to vote for them. Just be prepared to back it up.
how far intoday one? if your beyond random stage then you know omgus
hell you should know omgus within like the first 3 random stage votes
Not everyone sends PMs to someone before the game starts to ask everything they'll need to know.
And, they may not have come across OMGUS in the other game. Cut him some slack on this.
all i see are 4 people contemplating a wagon on me because i missinterperted your posts and called you a faker because any noob should know omgus,would you like to tell me said points i should respond too?
Actually, the wagon built up like it did because you didn't unvote when you realized your mistake.
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I thought you left manders? Didn't you vote(not really seriously) on me for this? I think you just left your computer on.
I did, but when I got home I pulled it up on my phone and was reading it, then it logged me off, so I came to the computer.
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I'm more interested in one of the veteran's telling us what's up with Shalako, because honestly I cannot come up with anything, and 22bebo's mass claim. Why in the world would you suggest a mass claim immediately after I give that as an example of fishing?
My opinion is that it was random. It read like a joke to me.
Seriously? 7 pages since last night. If this pace keeps up we'll break speed records.
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Not keen on a Shalako wagon but am intrerested in the ExLight wagon. I can /barn the opinion is a decent wagon for now. I'll do a deeper read over the weekend if the thread doesn't explode to 30 pages by then.
Why did you barn the wagon, but not vote?
Also, I recommend you change your settings to 40 posts per page if you plan to continue playing mafia. Makes it easier.
I think attacking people on incompetence is a bad idea. Also, arguing about whether or not they knew what OMGUS meant will get nowhere, you won't be able to reasonably prove or deny it, and so the most that could happen is a post war that swamps and dilutes the thread and makes it harder for people to see the bigger picture.
What does /barn mean?
ExLight has read as a little too flinchy to me, like he cares about what others think about him too much. I'm mostly getting it from this post:
i figured answering your question was more important especially considering how fast this wagon built on me
UNVOTE VOTE AE
antsy on the wagon barning there arent ya?
Theres nothing wrong with his attack on its own, but when combined with the general atmosphere i'm getting from him it seems to support him attacking for the sake of attacking, rather than genuinely believing and pursuing his case.
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Btw, my opinion is that I side with Exlight for shalako's "confusion". This is my first ever game of mafia and I knew what both OMGUS and Fishing meant. I mean, even if I had never heard of mafia, its not hard to realize that OMG means oh my god. The us part may be confusing, but using context clues, not that hard to figure out.
I go do some work for the day and FNM, and the posts snowball. Wow.
I'm of the opinion that Shalako's play is out of some confusion and a little frustration as others like Mandershex have stated before me. (I put her name in purple to match the text color she uses aside from votes.)
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Btw, my opinion is that I side with Exlight for shalako's "confusion". This is my first ever game of mafia and I knew what both OMGUS and Fishing meant. I mean, even if I had never heard of mafia, its not hard to realize that OMG means oh my god. The us part may be confusing, but using context clues, not that hard to figure out.
People are born with different ability. He may be 19, but just because you can make those inferences doesn't mean that everyone can. For a similar analogy, I'm 17 and an AP-level student with a great vocabulary/writing ability, but do terrible on any tests for English literature because I can't properly derive meaning consistently from the text. (Thus why I'm taking writing classes senior year!)
As for Exlight, he has seemed to be pushing very aggressively on Shalako's case relating to the confusion, and it's giving me overall bad vibes, enough for me to..
Vote ExLight
Also, I'm going to have to second Ragnarokio's request for a definition of /barn; the best I can come up with is agreeing with someone else's statement without providing elaboration of your own. It's the only term I'm missing in my Common Mafia Terminology list.
Voting never really ends, but the day will end once there are 7 votes on someone, or when the mod says it ends, whichever comes first. (I don't think AI uses deadlines, so when the lynch is reached.)
A deadline will be instated if I feel that discussion is stagnating. For now you guys are doing just fine.
learn to read. I'm in one other game right now. It's still on day one. Since you did this it seems like you didn't read the thread at all. I know enough to know thats a scum move.
I'm still wary to place my vote because of my TMM vote blowback
FOS: Exlight
My response to ExLight explaining how many games I have had. (I'm on Day 1 of Softball Mafia right now) This is about the 3rd Time I have mentioned it.
You're definitely not, trust me. I was worse. And don't take it personally, it's not like you suck.
Waffling is correct.
I would be okay with an Exlight wagon as well, his last posts were highly suspect.
all i see are 4 people contemplating a wagon on me because i missinterperted your posts and called you a faker because any noob should know omgus,would you like to tell me said points i should respond too?
Very defensive here after I accuse him of deflecting.
EBWODP: Wow, I fail at seeing there are two extra pages.
The Shalako case was not at all what I was thinking, so to me at least it's interesting... Why is that considered such a big deal? I mean... I partially get it, I get the fact that he was jumping on a wagon, but within 20 posts it doesn't seem (to me) like that big of a deal...
Not sure what to think on ExLight. Definitely reading a lot of confusion, and right now I'm leaning to the scummy side. Need to reread...
Would you like to say why you think Exlight is on the scummy side Gaius?
Seriously? 7 pages since last night. If this pace keeps up we'll break speed records.
Not keen on a Shalako wagon but am intrerested in the ExLight wagon. I can /barn the opinion is a decent wagon for now. I'll do a deeper read over the weekend if the thread doesn't explode to 30 pages by then.
Why would you be willing to form a wagon on Exlight right now? What is your opinion on him now?
ExLight has read as a little too flinchy to me, like he cares about what others think about him too much. I'm mostly getting it from this post:
Theres nothing wrong with his attack on its own, but when combined with the general atmosphere i'm getting from him it seems to support him attacking for the sake of attacking, rather than genuinely believing and pursuing his case.
Slight support but no vote or Fos. Would you like to say why Ragnarokio?
As for Exlight, he has seemed to be pushing very aggressively on Shalako's case relating to the confusion, and it's giving me overall bad vibes, enough for me to..
Vote ExLight
Also, I'm going to have to second Ragnarokio's request for a definition of /barn; the best I can come up with is agreeing with someone else's statement without providing elaboration of your own. It's the only term I'm missing in my Common Mafia Terminology list.
On bebe I am leaning noob town. Very random player. I think he's just having fun with his first game. Compare him to Doom Lich. It seems they have similar play-styles.
Posts from bebe of note are when jokingly posts a card. Then asks about claiming. Would you like to explain some bebe?
Please mention any opinions or thoughts. Feel free to ask me questions or ask me to clarify something.
@Shalako: Bebo does remind me of Doom Lich, but the resulting anarchy that he caused made me remember that he qas the lynch for Basic #26 on D1. Granted, he (Doom Lich) was town in that game, but before I clear my FovmS (Finger of very minor Suspicion) on Bebo I think a defense is in order.
To answer the /barn question: /barn is short for barnacle, as in, you are latching onto another persons logic(boat). It basically means "I agree with what was said here" or "I would be saying the same thing"
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
This is my first ever game of mafia and I knew what both OMGUS and Fishing meant.
I don't put much stock into the how much does he know argument. For the record, I didn't know any of the terms when I started. I jumped right in, yeah some you can figure out but I'm not going to assume anything on another player.
In my experience, the further votes get on a wagon in the random stage, you get exponentially more likely that the latest voter is mafia.
so far the random stage has been killed and shala is trying to defend his attacks.
i will now UNVOTE
bebo is playing like i did my first game so i sense no harm atm from him
based on shala's confusion i believe it is faked so VOTE:shalako
What makes you think it's faked?
Unvote, Vote: ExLight
See, I'm getting something different here. I'm not liking bebo and I'm not getting scum vibes from Shalako. Noob yes, definitely noob.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
i thought i saw a how many games he played but i miss read, and he doesnt know what OMGUS or fishing meant...thats why
Looking to start an easy wagon? vote ExLight
They hate us cause they ain't us.
So, after you realize you misread, you don't unvote?
Quotes in blog.
What?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
i figured answering your question was more important especially considering how fast this wagon built on me
UNVOTE VOTE AE
antsy on the wagon barning there arent ya?
Lol here we go. The start of the flailing. Not much of a wagon yet.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
no, but you /barned within a minutes or less
UNVOTE got the omgus outa my system
*reviews the post so far*
Yeah, I realized that didn't make any sense after I wrote it.
What I was trying to get across is that it's hard to fake that kind of "noobiness."
Also, LOL @ Exlight rage voting AE, then unvoting.
Quotes in blog.
Not to troll/flame, but you've played one game too....
Quotes in blog.
Ouch you & manders are really hurting my self esteem. At least i'm not the worse new player ever...right?
I think Exlight had a pretty large waffling moment right there.
not enough for a vote from me but noted.
( that is terminology correct?)
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
and yet i knew omgus and fishing before i started playing.
learn to read. I'm in one other game right now. It's still on day one. Since you did this it seems like you didn't read the thread at all. I know enough to know thats a scum move.
I'm still wary to place my vote because of my TMM vote blowback
FOS: Exlight
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how far intoday one? if your beyond random stage then you know omgus
hell you should know omgus within like the first 3 random stage votes
thats funny because Fishing isn't in the primer. I sense a liar.
Omgus is, however I felt fine asking about it because of Manders.
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You're definitely not, trust me. I was worse. And don't take it personally, it's not like you suck.
Waffling is correct.
I would be okay with an Exlight wagon as well, his last posts were highly suspect.
Quotes in blog.
so i am the only person who read a whole mafia game before participating in my first game? guess i over prepared for basic 26
Yeah I got a better things to do. I only got though the ~~22-26
Would you like to address the points or will you keep deflecting and posting no content?
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all i see are 4 people contemplating a wagon on me because i missinterperted your posts and called you a faker because any noob should know omgus,would you like to tell me said points i should respond too?
You are most definitely misinterpreting why we are considering it, or you just aren't reading it properly.
Quotes in blog.
Shalako, atlseal, MandersHex
I thought you left manders? Didn't you vote(not really seriously) on me for this? I think you just left your computer on.
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i think she just popped back on cuz for a little bit there it was just me and you viewing
@ muffin, maybe i am missreading...im done posting tonight, will reread before i go to sleep and see what i am missing
I'm more interested in one of the veteran's telling us what's up with Shalako, because honestly I cannot come up with anything, and 22bebo's mass claim. Why in the world would you suggest a mass claim immediately after I give that as an example of fishing?
The Shalako case was not at all what I was thinking, so to me at least it's interesting... Why is that considered such a big deal? I mean... I partially get it, I get the fact that he was jumping on a wagon, but within 20 posts it doesn't seem (to me) like that big of a deal...
Not sure what to think on ExLight. Definitely reading a lot of confusion, and right now I'm leaning to the scummy side. Need to reread...
Not keen on a Shalako wagon but am intrerested in the ExLight wagon. I can /barn the opinion is a decent wagon for now. I'll do a deeper read over the weekend if the thread doesn't explode to 30 pages by then.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
I'm fairly certain that if self-voting would get you modkilled in the game, it says so in the rules. AE or atlseal can probably confirm or deny this.
Because he didn't actually vote.
There are many ob this site that react this way in a 12 player game.
also, /barn
I think I agree with you on Shalako. His responses seem pretty noob town with a little town frustration to boot.
Unvote
bebo could go either way. I need him to post content to really get a read.
Man, he acted this way when he was in my game and he was town. I'm not gonna make a decision on him just yet.
E, when you get back on, calm down, man. Try to post legibly, and read before you post. Yes, this is coaching because I know him. He's too excited and he won't make sense while he's excited.
Muffin, he was in it for, like, a week. Come on, man, don't exaggerate.
Man, you can't take this game to heart. You won't have any fun. Nobody told me this in my first game and when I got to my second game, I was blowing up left and right. Trust me.
Could have been. I'm still gonna wait to see more to make a decision.
It is, good job.
If you have true, scummy feelings on someone, don't be afraid to vote for them. Just be prepared to back it up.
Not everyone sends PMs to someone before the game starts to ask everything they'll need to know.
And, they may not have come across OMGUS in the other game. Cut him some slack on this.
psst, it was Basic #25
Actually, the wagon built up like it did because you didn't unvote when you realized your mistake.
I did, but when I got home I pulled it up on my phone and was reading it, then it logged me off, so I came to the computer.
My opinion is that it was random. It read like a joke to me.
Seriously? 7 pages since last night. If this pace keeps up we'll break speed records.
Why did you barn the wagon, but not vote?
Also, I recommend you change your settings to 40 posts per page if you plan to continue playing mafia. Makes it easier.
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i did unvote, i just responded to atlseals question first
I disagree.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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What does /barn mean?
ExLight has read as a little too flinchy to me, like he cares about what others think about him too much. I'm mostly getting it from this post:
Theres nothing wrong with his attack on its own, but when combined with the general atmosphere i'm getting from him it seems to support him attacking for the sake of attacking, rather than genuinely believing and pursuing his case.
Unvote AE
Btw, the blowout I was referring to on page 1 is the south park mafia with a perfect win for the scum.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
FoS Shalako: Beware....
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Minor blip here, playing the "noob town" card already. Probably not anything, just a note.
I go do some work for the day and FNM, and the posts snowball. Wow.
I'm of the opinion that Shalako's play is out of some confusion and a little frustration as others like Mandershex have stated before me. (I put her name in purple to match the text color she uses aside from votes.)
People are born with different ability. He may be 19, but just because you can make those inferences doesn't mean that everyone can. For a similar analogy, I'm 17 and an AP-level student with a great vocabulary/writing ability, but do terrible on any tests for English literature because I can't properly derive meaning consistently from the text. (Thus why I'm taking writing classes senior year!)
As for Exlight, he has seemed to be pushing very aggressively on Shalako's case relating to the confusion, and it's giving me overall bad vibes, enough for me to..
Vote ExLight
Also, I'm going to have to second Ragnarokio's request for a definition of /barn; the best I can come up with is agreeing with someone else's statement without providing elaboration of your own. It's the only term I'm missing in my Common Mafia Terminology list.
ExLight (3): atlseal, Archmage Eternal, Escorien
22bebo (1): Ragnarokio
Shalako (1): MandersHex
The_Muffin_Man (1): Arcadic
Not Voting (6): 22bebo, Shalako, Gaius, The_Muffin_Man, ExLight, The Ice King
With 12 alive, it's 7 votes to lynch.
A deadline will be instated if I feel that discussion is stagnating. For now you guys are doing just fine.
A player voting for him or herself incurs no penalty beyond the vote.
Still re-reading the thread Manders, don't want to vote before i fully understand the wagon, as much as my gut reaction was for the wagon.
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Chronological order.
I got confused and that was worth a vote?
IMO the first real vote for Exlight
He he is saying I got the vote for lack of knowledge on my part.
2nd real vote on Exlight
AE has been posting close to a minute after people this whole thread. Why are you surprised he's doing it now?
I'm not sure how to interpret this.
Me noticing Exlight Waffling above.
@ExLight
My response to ExLight explaining how many games I have had. (I'm on Day 1 of Softball Mafia right now) This is about the 3rd Time I have mentioned it.
Very defensive here after I accuse him of deflecting.
Would you like to say why you think Exlight is on the scummy side Gaius?
Why would you be willing to form a wagon on Exlight right now? What is your opinion on him now?
Exlight clarifys what he did.
Slight support but no vote or Fos. Would you like to say why Ragnarokio?
On bebe I am leaning noob town. Very random player. I think he's just having fun with his first game. Compare him to Doom Lich. It seems they have similar play-styles.
Posts from bebe of note are when jokingly posts a card. Then asks about claiming. Would you like to explain some bebe?
Please mention any opinions or thoughts. Feel free to ask me questions or ask me to clarify something.
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I don't put much stock into the how much does he know argument. For the record, I didn't know any of the terms when I started. I jumped right in, yeah some you can figure out but I'm not going to assume anything on another player.
LOL see, I never knew barnacle. I've always wondered what the heck an actual barn had to do with anything.:embarrass:
They hate us cause they ain't us.