Just watch the first season. The writers strike raped it, and it went downhill from there.
Thanks for the advice!
HOWEVER
Would you like to throw your two cents in somewhere? I know you a chronic lurker, but you haven't expressed you opinion for quite some time now. Care to share, my little bear?
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for whatever else hunted has done, jobo has repeatedly made opinions without backing them up and then made lame excuses when asked to extrapolate has made lame explanations and excuses.
He too has bandwagoned as was my original vote on him but he's done worse since. I think that hunted charlie should be lynched/vigge/whatever, n the near future but the jobo should die first.
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for whatever else hunted has done, jobo has repeatedly made opinions without backing them up and then made lame excuses when asked to extrapolate has made lame explanations and excuses.
He too has bandwagoned as was my original vote on him but he's done worse since. I think that hunted charlie should be lynched/vigge/whatever, n the near future but the jobo should die first.
The bolded underlined part is awesome. vote joboman
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i really hate it when people do that...... i mean i guess i have to leave it alone cause your voting for mr. scum but man.
WHY DOES NO ONE EXPLAIN THEIR VOTES! Seriously for fracks sake here people. If you want to help the town provide as much non rolebased information as possible. We need info, we need things to analyze. We do not need "hurp durp its teh scums i votes thems nows!". THAT IS INNFECTIVE!
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I thought that was interesting in that it was either a massive attempt at mod-gaming or inside knowledge. However I didn't think it was necessarily a scum tell, and had no comment on it. Thus, "Hm".
I'm not buying it and you're not helping. You initially said it was just so the town would take note of it, now you're saying it's because you thought the speculation was interesting but not worth commenting on? Even if I accept the latter without question, if you don't have anything worth saying you don't say anything at all. Not "hm."
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How can you possibly still be thinking that Vezo isn't telling us everything? As I've made clear multiple times, Vezo has tons of motivation to tell us things and very little to withhold information.
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I understand you guys disagreeing with me claiming. But here's how I saw it. I'm essentially a really hard to kill vanilla. Meanwhile...If Peter isn't fully powered in this game and I can level him up. Well, that would be huge to say the least. Plus on top of that it would make peter hard to kill, which is a good thing assuming that peter is town which is a pretty safe bet. Somebody has to balance out Sylar, in the series it's Peter. If peter is powered up, the town will have a better shot at winning then if I didn't claim imo. If Peter is already powered up (he can control his abilities), then disregard this.
On the Vezok thing. I'm going to game the mod again and say that he is incredibly dangerous. If he's written the same as the series then a little bit of pressure and he fries who ever is near him, a lot of pressure and he goes completely nuclear. If he ever goes off, it's possible that he kills everyone and the game ends in a draw. As such, I think Ecophagy's plan is a really really good idea. Otherwise there's no reason for sylar not to target him tonight. I agree with him that the haitian is pretty much going to be in the game. It is highly likely that a watcher will be able to target Vez, and a vig is even more likely then a watcher in this game. I think Ecophagy's plan is our safest bet to have a safely defused bomb personally. Plus it would give us a very short list of people to look in the unlikely chance that Sylar targeted him anyways.
My read is noob town on this. Claim out of (well-meaning but misguided) attempt to help the town. I cannot see scum trying to pull a false-claim gambit in their first real post of the game, especially since they know any fairly potent ability is going to draw attention from Sylar/Peter (neither of which is good for scum).
As for the "plan"...too many moving parts. Too many assumptions. Sure, it would be nice if it could all work out that way, but relying on potential scum to cooperate, having several roles in the game (and that they're willing to cooperate), etc.? I wouldn't put much stock in it.
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You are totally right, it is a good thing to watch out for, but you're overreacting about it. Let your concern be known, sure, but overalarming the town causes panic, thus helps the scum. Town gets panicky, mislynches and the scum are worry free for a while.
You created a 'nervous' situation with the Ted/Claire thing, which could get people riled up, and the whole 'Vezok is totally siding with the scum' bit is an attempt to get his lynch and direct the town. Equating Vezok to scum is terribad.
I repeat: Vezok, a claimed neutral, is not equal to scum AT ALL. The fact that you excuse him off as such is more points against you.
I think you may be over-analyzing the situation. I feel HC actually had a fair point when he said everyone is mod-gaming, so it's unfair to call him out on it.
On the other hand though, HC's insistence that we stop throwing around the word "fearmongering" is a distraction. My initial reaction when I saw him saying we should stop using the word was "Great - I was thinking that too!" After a reread, though, the whole issue feels like HC was trying to distract from the real case against him.
Still doesn't change the fact that the vote was terribad. Using the words "Wagon I suppose?" to convince people to join your cause based on lurking seems scummy. Really scummy.
I agree with you here 100%.
I don't think I'm convinced quite yet. HC, I want to see more from you. Specifically I want to see what you have to say about Joboman.
If it is wanted by multiple people then my reasonings will be given. Please note that what I previously said were "Gut reads" when I think about them there are things that I can specifically point out that justify them. Here they are.
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Vote: Dropkickdude. This vote is serious.
This was given because Dkd seemed very, very cautious and cared too much about his appearance. This is very different form his last game where he was town, and his "excuse" isn't going to cut it.
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Oh, and hunted Charlie is very very strong leaning town
I said this because Hunted Charlie's previous posts seemed to have townie paranoia/cautiousness that is very hard to fake.
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OMT reads as noob town
OMT seems to have the whole "Prideful noob town that thinks way too much of himself" stereotype going on.
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Yeah, my opinions were definitely just confirmed. Your Noob Townieness is obvious.
This was in response to:
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wow, er, that went well. Not sure whether outing bomb early is a good thing or not but i guess unvote.
Well lets see whats happened since i left.
Tordeck barns me.......
Bomb is outed
Lots of people call me town .
Joboman calls me a noob .
And most importantly as far as i can tell joboman has barned a lot of people calling me town and added noob on to it without any reasons. Granted other did not exactly give reasons to support either but his feels alot more like "hey look i agree with you but a little different so you won't be suspicious"
I officially retract that my last statement was sarcastic for now it is a custom i intend to follow. vote joboman
Where anybody can see that my stereotype of OMT was just confirmed.
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You just went on my town list.
This was in response to WOD saying that Vezok shouldn't answer some fishing, which is an extreme town tell.
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Something about this post is very, very off.
There are specific reasons here.
1. Dkd subtly puts suspicion on multiple people.
2. Dkd writes a huge post summing it up with "I have no idea what to do"
3. Dkd Fencesits like a boss.
4. Is reluctant to believe anybody, which is different from noob town paranoia.
Why so defensive? I mean overly so, it is not like I even called you scummy. Way to go, because I am now.
Really? You tell me I fencesit, when there is obvious proof otherwise, refuse to admit it when that's pointed out, and then call me scummy because of your mistake? Really?
There are specific reasons here.
1. Dkd subtly puts suspicion on multiple people.
2. Dkd writes a huge post summing it up with "I have no idea what to do"
3. Dkd Fencesits like a boss.
4. Is reluctant to believe anybody, which is different from noob town paranoia.
Just to make my own thougts known about the whole vez situation: I've held off saying anything because I wanted the full story before coming to any conclusion. Also, because I tend to have a bias against vez due to previous play in other games. I think he's dangerous. Not just the fact that he's Ted, or that he's a new player, or that he doesn't know exactly what will set him off, or that he doesn't know what will happen if/when he does go off, or that others could potentially absorb/steal his power and exponentially increase the damage, but he lies. He's lied in both games I've been in with him, once as scum and the other as town. But, he hasn't displayed his characteristic jumpy play here yet (aside from outing himself right off), and claims to want to help the town win, and I too dislike the idea of lynching a neutral on day 1 - especially if they're going to play like a townie. I guess the only conclusion I can come to at the moment is that we have a precarious situation on our hands. Things with vez could literally and figuratively blow up in our collective faces. Ted's presence in the game will get more and more volatile as the game progresses and powers that could potentially deal with him are eliminated. In a vaccuum I'd say we should lynch him now and move on - taking whatever backlash came our way - but apparently TACKY has a "fully fleshed-out" plan that could potentially out some scum, and I'm inclined to let him play it out because I certainly don't have one.
tl;dr - Ted/vez is dangerous and will continue to be more so as the game progresses, but I don't have any plan for how to deal with it. TACKY says he does, and seems town to me, so I'm behind him.
1. The only person DKD puts suspicion on is vezok. There is no 'multiple'.
2. Avoids the part where DKD mentions that outside of TACKY's plan, DKD would want to lynch vezok.
3. Is pretty much a repetition of 2.
4. A statement describing an event that never occurred. Especially since the whole post is about vezok, and states nothing of the sort.
This reads as joboman in Asphodel Meadows, ie. scum.
This seems like a made-up reason to join the wagon. "Seeming very townie and therefore I'm joining the wagon" is not a reason, period.
I think that there is a mis-understanding here. My reasoning was not "Tacky seems townie so I'm joining a wagon", that's a total logic disconnect. I had previously already stated my changed opinions on Hunted_Charlie and the only reason that I wasn't voting for him at the time was that I thought it was better to get rid of Vezok first. Now that somebody who I thought was majorly townie (tacky) said that he wanted vezok to survive a day I switched to my target next in line, Hunted Charlie.
And then of course there's this:
Please explain what you mean by this?
1. The only person DKD puts suspicion on is vezok. There is no 'multiple'.
Not true.
he says that:
apparently TACKY has a "fully fleshed-out" plan that could potentially out some scum, and I'm inclined to let him play it out because I certainly don't have one.
and I hate the use of the quotes because it insinuates that the plan may not be fully fleshed out, at least to me it does.
2. Avoids the part where DKD mentions that outside of TACKY's plan, DKD would want to lynch vezok.
Not true at all. He clearly says:
I'm inclined to let him play it out because I certainly don't have one.
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I don't have any plan for how to deal with it.
3. Is pretty much a repetition of 2.
Nope. Fencesitting is being able to think of plausable courses of action, but not deciding on any of them, while Saying that "He doesn't know what to do" is knowing which side you're on, but not knowing what to do about it.
4. A statement describing an event that never occurred. Especially since the whole post is about vezok, and states nothing of the sort.
What I meant here is that when he uses the quotes around tacky's plan he makes it sound like he's reluctant to believe him.
This reads as joboman in Asphodel Meadows, ie. scum.
vezopiraka, please attempt to help the town, neutral or not.
Others have pointed this out but another fun point against joboman. He called one of the scummiest players other than himself town and then when it looked like the wagon on him might go through switched to scum.
Protect then bus?
And jobo, your attempts to discredit me are still highly ineffective, try another tactic this one doesn't work.
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vezopiraka, please attempt to help the town, neutral or not.
Others have pointed this out but another fun point against joboman. He called one of the scummiest players other than himself town and then when it looked like the wagon on him might go through switched to scum.
Protect then bus?
And jobo, your attempts to discredit me are still highly ineffective, try another tactic this one doesn't work.
You really think that much of yourself that you think I'm trying to personally discredit you? wow.
Yeah, I need to re-read, and a 3-day LAN party is not the time to be doing it I'll have a post with opinions up at some point within the next few days, hopefully.
So you're voting for someone you think displayed a very strong townie tell, without thinking that he was faking it? IE you still believe there is a possibility it was genuine?
So you're voting for someone you think displayed a very strong townie tell, without thinking that he was faking it? IE you still believe there is a possibility it was genuine?
Explain to me how this makes sense.
It doesn't.
The more I think about this the more I start to think that this may have been sub-concious OMGUS. Unvote, I need some time to think about this.
How can you possibly still be thinking that Vezo isn't telling us everything? As I've made clear multiple times, Vezo has tons of motivation to tell us things and very little to withhold information.
Clearly Vez has no intentions of trying to be helpful.
Eco, you're saying that lynching him is likely to set him off, but this is mafia. Lynching people is the "safe" way to get rid of them. And more than that, if we can't get rid of "the bomb" without having a specific player's ability, then we're not playing mafia anymore.
/barn
Nom_Anor was not talking about information, he was talking about inclination, as in vezokpiraka was not inclined to help the town.
If it is wanted by multiple people then my reasonings will be given. Please note that what I previously said were "Gut reads" when I think about them there are things that I can specifically point out that justify them. Here they are.
First you display a reluctance to explain your logic, then you downplay the significance of your reads (which you were very sure about initially) under scrutiny. Neither makes your argument more convincing.
This was given because Dkd seemed very, very cautious and cared too much about his appearance. This is very different form his last game where he was town, and his "excuse" isn't going to cut it.
His last game was also a Basic, while this is a Normal. The content of his early posts was scummy but the emotion was not at all. I'm not sure why you're reading scum from his early posts (unless of course you're scum yourself).
OMT seems to have the whole "Prideful noob town that thinks way too much of himself" stereotype going on.
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Where anybody can see that my stereotype of OMT was just confirmed.
This was in response to WOD saying that Vezok shouldn't answer some fishing, which is an extreme town tell.
I don't consider my request for more information as fishing. vezokpiraka had already claimed, so his alignment and overall aspects of his role were public information. We needed to know exactly how his role works so we can defuse it with minimal damage to the town.
There are specific reasons here.
1. Dkd subtly puts suspicion on multiple people.
2. Dkd writes a huge post summing it up with "I have no idea what to do"
3. Dkd Fencesits like a boss.
4. Is reluctant to believe anybody, which is different from noob town paranoia.
As Cyouni said, this is a bad attack. I won't quibble over the specific points because that's Cyouni's job, but it's fair to say that you're mudslinging obvtown dropkickdude.
Anyone have a daykill?
I'm not even sure if this is a joke. joboman really needs to die. Since Hunted Charlie and the jobowocky are both scummy, I'm fine with voting whichever. I think my vote is on HC right now.
The "leave vezok alive until D2" plan seems like a bad idea the more I think about it, but it doesn't look like there's enough support right now to lynch him. Does anyone else feel that TACKY's plan (if he even has one) isn't worth risking?
Not saying these tells would leave them to continue to do them.
OK. Aren't you, uhh, worried that so many people want you and Hunted Charlie dead? You've had some time to think about your reads; what did you conclude?
I just had a crazy idea and if you want me lynched I will say it here.
Maybe there are no mafia here. Only neutrals and townies.
Maybe I'm a purple dinosaur named Barney who sings and plays with children.
This is a Normal. There are mafia in this game. I have a few ideas as to which role names make sense as scum, but obviously I'm not going to say which.
OK. Aren't you, uhh, worried that so many people want you and Hunted Charlie dead? You've had some time to think about your reads; what did you conclude?
Yes, I'm very worried that I'm going to die but saying that isn't going to help anything.
Hunted Charlie... I think he is scum but I'm not so sure of myself. I still am not liking Dkd no matter what anybody else says.
Aren't the two related? Helpful = willing to provide the necessary information?
The information is only as helpful and trustworthy as the person who's supplying it. If he's lying to us then we have no logical choice but to lynch him, whatever the consequences. The "suppress & vig" plan has too many holes for us to trust, and simply doing nothing and letting him live to D2 (what I understand to be the first stage of TACKY's plan) seems even worse.
@jobo: For the record, the quotes I used for TACKY's plan were an attempt to quote him, not cast suspicion. I don't think I was sitting on the fence, I stated I wanted vez gone. I said lynching him was the only play I had in my playbook, but I was worried about the potential consequences. TACKY (someone who I thought was town) said he had a plan, so I said I'd support him. Are you sure you aren't just tunnelvisioned on me like you were in #19 where we were both Town?
*sigh* I was expecting so much more. It's almost as if you're resigned to your fate.
The information is only as helpful and trustworthy as the person who's supplying it. If he's lying to us then we have no logical choice but to lynch him, whatever the consequences. The "suppress & vig" plan has too many holes for us to trust, and simply doing nothing and letting him live to D2 (what I understand to be the first stage of TACKY's plan) seems even worse.
I've been on two types of wagons. Wagons full of noob townies who hate my playstyle (Cyouni, Onemoretime, etc) and Wagons that are scum-driven. This is painfully the former, which saddens me because I know how hard they tunnelvision.
I've been on two types of wagons. Wagons full of noob townies who hate my playstyle (Cyouni, Onemoretime, etc) and Wagons that are scum-driven. This is painfully the former, which saddens me because I know how hard they tunnelvision.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
I think that there is a mis-understanding here. My reasoning was not "Tacky seems townie so I'm joining a wagon", that's a total logic disconnect. I had previously already stated my changed opinions on Hunted_Charlie and the only reason that I wasn't voting for him at the time was that I thought it was better to get rid of Vezok first. Now that somebody who I thought was majorly townie (tacky) said that he wanted vezok to survive a day I switched to my target next in line, Hunted Charlie.
Mistake of mine. Nevermind this.
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Please explain what you mean by this?
There is no possible pro-town reason for you to ask the second question.
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Not true.
he says that:
and I hate the use of the quotes because it insinuates that the plan may not be fully fleshed out, at least to me it does.
That's distrust of the plan, which is perfectly reasonable, given that it relies on one person.
In a vaccuum I'd say we should lynch him now and move on - taking whatever backlash came our way -
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Nope. Fencesitting is being able to think of plausable courses of action, but not deciding on any of them, while Saying that "He doesn't know what to do" is knowing which side you're on, but not knowing what to do about it.
Either way, you're still wrong.
DKD proposes two plans of action. One, to lynch vezok. Two, to trust TACKY. He settles on the second.
Where, good sir, is the 'fencesitting'?
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What I meant here is that when he uses the quotes around tacky's plan he makes it sound like he's reluctant to believe him.
I've been on two types of wagons. Wagons full of noob townies who hate my playstyle (Cyouni, Onemoretime, etc) and Wagons that are scum-driven. This is painfully the former, which saddens me because I know how hard they tunnelvision.
*cough* Really obvious attempt to discredit his wagon *cough*
And good Sigma-scumboman, your chance to call me a noob ended long ago. Nice try, though.
The reason you're still being called a noob is because of the fact that you still play like one. It's getting quite ridiculous by now.
There is no possible pro-town reason for you to ask the second question.
That's distrust of the plan, which is perfectly reasonable, given that it relies on one person.
Where, good sir, is your 'multiple people'?
All I can say is:
Either way, you're still wrong.
DKD proposes two plans of action. One, to lynch vezok. Two, to trust TACKY. He settles on the second.
Where, good sir, is the 'fencesitting'?
Nice try.
You're playing exactly like Sigma-scumboman in Asphodel Meadows.
*cough* Really obvious attempt to discredit his wagon *cough*
And good Sigma-scumboman, your chance to call me a noob ended long ago. Nice try, though.
The reason you're still being called a noob is because of the fact that you still play like one. It's getting quite ridiculous by now.
I don't need to use personal insults to reinforce my point, mr. *cough cough* mis-lynched me twice in a row *cough cough*
Could you please specifically state what about my play here is similar to my play in Asphodel meadows? To me it seems like you're just trying to think up reasons because in Asphodel meadows I only made like 10 posts.
Not a joke. It's the truth. I like to hear I'm doing things right, and I'm all the harder on myself when I'm not. I like the fact that I noticed something odd here, it shows I'm looking for such slips, but I should have taken the time to think about what the consequences of pointing it out would be. You guys are right, there was nothing to be gained by the town. My relative inexperience caused me to jump at the chance to show I could analyze things and find little things hidden between the lines, but in my haste to do so, I failed to analyze my own post and see the potential negative repercussions for the town.
Really? Because my, "Oh snap, pressure on me, time to completely overcompensate with my answer so it looks like thoughtful reasoning" detector is also malfunctioning. Doesn't tell me newb town though.
Sorry I missed the fun of random stage, but I'm here now and after the last few posts I got to vote vezo. Plain and simple bad playing and outing himself as scum quick and early.
Unvote, Vote Tordeck.
Either you're completely barning what someone else said about him 'outing himself as scum', or you have first-hand knowledge of whatever's going on with him.
I think instead of outing himself as scum he may have just claimed the bomb, and if I read it right the more times he is tarrgeted at nite the closer he comes to blowing up. Making tthe safest way to get rid of him. To be right now with a lynch. Vote stands
Again! This was BEFORE Vezok said anything to the effect of more targets being more harmful.
Wow, this game just blew up (pun intended). Unless someone counterclaims, I'm inclined to believe everything vezokpiraka is saying.
I think the smart play with vezokpiraka for now is to leave him alone, but be very careful not to forget him. It's important to remember that the scum could set him off if it seemed like it might benefit them, or he might side with scum if it helps him.
Sidenote: I stopped watching Heroes midway through Season 3, but I thought Ted was the only guy who ever managed to really hurt Claire? Something about that makes me nervous.
So vezokpiraka is out of the hunt. I'm not sure I agree with everybody saying DKD and OneMoreTime are definitely noob town, but it does seem like that's just as likely as noob scum. So I agree that there's no point bandwagoning against them now. Unvote
Ding, ding, ding! No, but seriously, this was funny.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Sorry I haven't been around guys. I went to sleep as soon as I got home from work last night. I don't have much time now, but I really wanted to check in. I hate doing this, but based on the nature of this game and this...
and this...
I feel like the best thing for me to do is do a semi-claim.
I am the invisible man.
The reason that I bring this up is that in the series I help out character's that I think will be town. It could prove extremely helpful if me and certain other character's like Peter hook up.
Here's the issue. I'm untargetable. So I don't know if there is it will be hard for whoever has peter to "find" me. I do know that there is a caveat to my untargetability. I really really hope that the scum don't figure out the caveat before the town does...
Unfortunately I have to run. I will come back and answer any questions when I have more time.
I think Sylar can try to kill a person in each night and will get their ability if he is succesful. He can only use one ability each night including his kill which would tone him down a bit. If he wants to use other abilities he can't use his kill. Passive abilities would still be in place though. And if he tries to kill Claire he will just take her ability without killing her. So basically I think he's a standard SK who gains passive abilities and has the option of switching out his kill for an ability at night, which is very powered but I don't think it's neccesarily that overpowered.
@Sylar: Let me know if any of this is wrong please
On Syrenz "fishing": Honestly it didn't seem like much of a scumtell to me. It seemed like he just wanted some clarification. It's understandable and I don't think its a strong tell, but I think we should agree at this point to STOP REVEALING/ASKING FOR UNNECESSARY INFORMATION, people. The mod even put in the rules to "claim with caution", but already we've got multiple claims. That just seems stupid.
On falkonn's claim: Sigh. Well now the scum are sure to be hard at work on figuring out how to target you. That was just stupid, see above paragraph.
On joboman: I agree he's sorta just barning and staying quiet. Could just mean he's busy, but since we don't really have a ton of strong leads right now I guess he's the best we've got. Wagon I suppose?
On AsianInvasion: Yup, I do think we should stay watchful on vezokpiraka. And yes, I am not utterly convinced, like everybody else is, that DKD or OneMoreTime are definite town. I don't see these positions as issues in any way. To say I'm "super sure this guy is the scum!!!!!!1111" would just be a lie at this point. There isn't enough evidence yet for a strong wagon on anybody.
No; although I agree charlie is quite suspicious, it is better to get rid of Vez today instead of tomorrow. Overnight, he could blow up, have his powers copied by Sylar or Peter (or possibly someone else; I only watched the first season of heroes, and it was when it first came out), or perhaps have something we aren't expecting happen.
90% likely for me that Vezok is telling the truth.
If he's not telling the truth, he's scum, so lynching today is no big deal.
If he is telling the truth, it still is probably smart not to risk letting something happen with him tonight. So I'm in agreement.
I will say, however, that I feel Ted would probably more simply kill himself and the person targeting him or something. Not full-scale Armageddon.
EBWOP: I feel like I should stress that the Haitian shouldn't claim. Nor should a vig or a watcher.
I know this game is flavorful to the maxxxxx, but why would you even mention the Haitian right now?
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That doesn't make sense though AInv, as he said that he pretty much doesn't want to be targetted. No way he'd say that if he wants to be targetted. He would be better playing scummy and luring cop investigations. It really doesn't make sense the way you outline it.
I can see how H_C is scummy. He's quick to judge others when he does the same thing himself (voting early, etc).
May I just promote the use of "AInv" for AsianInvasion. That could solve things.
*shrug* I'd be highly surprised if the Haitian and some kind of vig were not in the game, and that the former didn't have some kind of ability suppression. It's an elegant solution to an awkward problem.
Yeah, fair enough I guess. I just don't really like the way you are so confident about it; to the point of basing plans around it.
I don't have time to respond to HC about the case (later, I promise!), but I will say this about the Vezok situation: I have a plan and have had a plan. However, talking about the plan kills the plan. So, when I say just to let the man live to day 2, that's really all I can say. It fully fleshed out and will net us some killers I believe, but whether it works or not, you can kill him tomorrow. No argument about it.
I like your posting so far, TACKY, but I am not sure this will be worth it. Are you even sure? Taking the risk of having him around into account?
Clearly Vez has no intentions of trying to be helpful.
Eco, you're saying that lynching him is likely to set him off, but this is mafia. Lynching people is the "safe" way to get rid of them. And more than that, if we can't get rid of "the bomb" without having a specific player's ability, then we're not playing mafia anymore.
Are you listening?
The mod never told me what my ability does only that it's passive and supernatural.
I am trying to win this game but it seems easier to help the town win because it's easier for them and they are the majority.
Once again I have no idea what my ability does.
Lol, that's not encouraging.
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I think people are just making a big deal over the hmm. i believe he's telling the truth. However i still think him and jobo are scum. When it was pointed out they could be scum buddies jobo starts bussing HC. For some reason jobo comes out more scummy then HC to me so: vote jobo
I still feel like its unsafe to not kill vez but im willing to believe in tacky's plan. I just hope he doesn't die tonight and that sylar doesn't make use of vez before we can.
@ecophagy: thats a lot of mod gaming
You know, it's getting to the point where it's so easy to bait and find scum-tells from you. It's not a challenge anymore. Makes me sad.
I was really hoping you'd respond with something like that.
I don't need to use personal insults to reinforce my point, mr. *cough cough* mis-lynched me twice in a row *cough cough*
Actually, yes, you do. And you have every time you've been scum.
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Could you please specifically state what about my play here is similar to my play in Asphodel meadows? To me it seems like you're just trying to think up reasons because in Asphodel meadows I only made like 10 posts.
So, let's look at the timeline in Asphodel Meadows:
joboman is scum. (Oh, and his role-name was something like Raymond "Sigma" McNulty.)
joboman enters the game as a replacement during N1.
After some time, joboman makes a horrible case on Cyan (SK, and the main suspect for being SK), using events that never happened.
I call him on his BS.
joboman proceeds to defend his case by telling me that if I looked, I'd find the events.
Again, I call him on his BS.
joboman proceeds to pretend that I was referring to the fact that Cyan had suspicion on him.
I call him on his strawmanning and vote him.
joboman then uses the exact same point that he just made, that I'd 'mislynched' him twice in the same game. Also proceeds to call me an idiot, and tell me that he's not going to listen to my 'idiotic' posts.
I call him on his ad hom.
The rest is stuff that probably won't happen again:
joboman receives Cyan's (SK) role PM.
joboman proceeds to slowly disseminate this information in the hope it'll save him.
Cyan daykills joboman.
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In this game, DKD replaces Cyan. An easy target that joboman can go after.
The rest is pretty obvious. I have no doubt that were I not to have made this post, and instead continued to call joboman on his BS, it would play out exactly the same way.
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His scum meta relies on strawmanning, deflection, and ad hom, behaviours that aren't present in his town meta.
He also starts referencing his town games when he's scum. Especially Guildpact, calling it "mislynched twice in a row".
Oh, and you were cult the second time, so it wasn't a mislynch.
First, I am 98% sure of my plan, with 1.5% being only pretty sure and the other half a percent of my mind is thinking about food.
Seriously though, You will have your chance to kill Vezok if need be tomorrow, guaranteed. Also, I don't condone a vigging. If Vezok does live through the day, a vigging would be very detrimental to the plan and more importantly, the town. However, the town stands to reap great benefits from this plan.
@AlpI: Yeah, having him around can be dangerous, but like I stated early, the gift of foresight is on our side.
No matter what though, lynch him tomorrow. Prolly a solid idea there.
Finally, I still think HC is the better lynch, only because it gives us far more insight on Joboman, but I support a Joboman lynch as well.
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Either you're completely barning what someone else said about him 'outing himself as scum', or you have first-hand knowledge of whatever's going on with him.
Either way is bad, mmkay?
Again! This was BEFORE Vezok said anything to the effect of more targets being more harmful.
I was sorta /barning as I agreed to the fact I thought it was a scum tell being given off.
and I took a shot in the dark based off ted's flavour from the show, and my limited knowledge of mafia wrokings. did i get lucky and hit the nail on the head, yes. did i knwo anything from the inside, no.
If I'm not mistaken, this is not a defense inany way, shape or form.
What I mean by this is that even though it may seem half-assed (and I assure you my methods are) but I can be right, and a decent amount of the time I am.
Cyouni, now that you've said the things like strawmanning that I did in that game, please show me where I've strawmanned in this game.
jobo, all i've seen you do is discredit the people on your wagon, and even the wagon in general. You havn't given very good, or even completely coherent responses, and you have generally played like the cornered scum i believe you to be.
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As far as Jobo/HC go, I think Jobo should go first. I could explain why I'm going to vote Jobo, but I think that would be beating a dead horse at this point.
I think a few people are taking advantage of the fact that there is a ton of posting going on in this game to hide in the background. Just something to keep in mind (Yes, I realize I haven't posted very much either. I'm trying to post at least once a day, hopefully more.).
Thanks for the advice!
HOWEVER
Would you like to throw your two cents in somewhere? I know you a chronic lurker, but you haven't expressed you opinion for quite some time now. Care to share, my little bear?
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
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He too has bandwagoned as was my original vote on him but he's done worse since. I think that hunted charlie should be lynched/vigge/whatever, n the near future but the jobo should die first.
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The bolded underlined part is awesome.
vote joboman
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WHY DOES NO ONE EXPLAIN THEIR VOTES! Seriously for fracks sake here people. If you want to help the town provide as much non rolebased information as possible. We need info, we need things to analyze. We do not need "hurp durp its teh scums i votes thems nows!". THAT IS INNFECTIVE!
GAH!:swear:
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I'm not buying it and you're not helping. You initially said it was just so the town would take note of it, now you're saying it's because you thought the speculation was interesting but not worth commenting on? Even if I accept the latter without question, if you don't have anything worth saying you don't say anything at all. Not "hm."
How can you possibly still be thinking that Vezo isn't telling us everything? As I've made clear multiple times, Vezo has tons of motivation to tell us things and very little to withhold information.
My read is noob town on this. Claim out of (well-meaning but misguided) attempt to help the town. I cannot see scum trying to pull a false-claim gambit in their first real post of the game, especially since they know any fairly potent ability is going to draw attention from Sylar/Peter (neither of which is good for scum).
As for the "plan"...too many moving parts. Too many assumptions. Sure, it would be nice if it could all work out that way, but relying on potential scum to cooperate, having several roles in the game (and that they're willing to cooperate), etc.? I wouldn't put much stock in it.
I think you may be over-analyzing the situation. I feel HC actually had a fair point when he said everyone is mod-gaming, so it's unfair to call him out on it.
On the other hand though, HC's insistence that we stop throwing around the word "fearmongering" is a distraction. My initial reaction when I saw him saying we should stop using the word was "Great - I was thinking that too!" After a reread, though, the whole issue feels like HC was trying to distract from the real case against him.
I agree with you here 100%.
I don't think I'm convinced quite yet. HC, I want to see more from you. Specifically I want to see what you have to say about Joboman.
This was given because Dkd seemed very, very cautious and cared too much about his appearance. This is very different form his last game where he was town, and his "excuse" isn't going to cut it.
I said this because Hunted Charlie's previous posts seemed to have townie paranoia/cautiousness that is very hard to fake.
OMT seems to have the whole "Prideful noob town that thinks way too much of himself" stereotype going on.
This was in response to:
Where anybody can see that my stereotype of OMT was just confirmed.
This was in response to WOD saying that Vezok shouldn't answer some fishing, which is an extreme town tell.
There are specific reasons here.
1. Dkd subtly puts suspicion on multiple people.
2. Dkd writes a huge post summing it up with "I have no idea what to do"
3. Dkd Fencesits like a boss.
4. Is reluctant to believe anybody, which is different from noob town paranoia.
Now I geuss people won't be doing these things...
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
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1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
This seems like a made-up reason to join the wagon. "Seeming very townie and therefore I'm joining the wagon" is not a reason, period.
And then of course there's this:
Let's take a look at that post.
1. The only person DKD puts suspicion on is vezok. There is no 'multiple'.
2. Avoids the part where DKD mentions that outside of TACKY's plan, DKD would want to lynch vezok.
3. Is pretty much a repetition of 2.
4. A statement describing an event that never occurred. Especially since the whole post is about vezok, and states nothing of the sort.
This reads as joboman in Asphodel Meadows, ie. scum.
Unvote my random vote, Vote joboman
I think that there is a mis-understanding here. My reasoning was not "Tacky seems townie so I'm joining a wagon", that's a total logic disconnect. I had previously already stated my changed opinions on Hunted_Charlie and the only reason that I wasn't voting for him at the time was that I thought it was better to get rid of Vezok first. Now that somebody who I thought was majorly townie (tacky) said that he wanted vezok to survive a day I switched to my target next in line, Hunted Charlie.
Please explain what you mean by this?
Not true.
he says that:
and I hate the use of the quotes because it insinuates that the plan may not be fully fleshed out, at least to me it does.
Not true at all. He clearly says:
and
Nope. Fencesitting is being able to think of plausable courses of action, but not deciding on any of them, while Saying that "He doesn't know what to do" is knowing which side you're on, but not knowing what to do about it.
What I meant here is that when he uses the quotes around tacky's plan he makes it sound like he's reluctant to believe him.
What do you specifically mean by this?
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
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1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Given that you are now voting for HC, what do you think about this? Do you think that he was faking it?
Just to quote something.
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Others have pointed this out but another fun point against joboman. He called one of the scummiest players other than himself town and then when it looked like the wagon on him might go through switched to scum.
Protect then bus?
And jobo, your attempts to discredit me are still highly ineffective, try another tactic this one doesn't work.
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You really think that much of yourself that you think I'm trying to personally discredit you? wow.
I don't know.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
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So you're voting for someone you think displayed a very strong townie tell, without thinking that he was faking it? IE you still believe there is a possibility it was genuine?
Explain to me how this makes sense.
It doesn't.
The more I think about this the more I start to think that this may have been sub-concious OMGUS. Unvote, I need some time to think about this.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
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I refer you to the post you quoted:
Nom_Anor was not talking about information, he was talking about inclination, as in vezokpiraka was not inclined to help the town.
First you display a reluctance to explain your logic, then you downplay the significance of your reads (which you were very sure about initially) under scrutiny. Neither makes your argument more convincing.
His last game was also a Basic, while this is a Normal. The content of his early posts was scummy but the emotion was not at all. I'm not sure why you're reading scum from his early posts (unless of course you're scum yourself).
I think the word you're looking for is "fearmongering." And "scummy."
Clearly.
I don't consider my request for more information as fishing. vezokpiraka had already claimed, so his alignment and overall aspects of his role were public information. We needed to know exactly how his role works so we can defuse it with minimal damage to the town.
As Cyouni said, this is a bad attack. I won't quibble over the specific points because that's Cyouni's job, but it's fair to say that you're mudslinging obvtown dropkickdude.
I don't understand this comment. Were you trying to trap people somehow, because I don't see how that was supposed to occur.
Anyone have a daykill?
I'm not even sure if this is a joke. joboman really needs to die. Since Hunted Charlie and the jobowocky are both scummy, I'm fine with voting whichever. I think my vote is on HC right now.
The "leave vezok alive until D2" plan seems like a bad idea the more I think about it, but it doesn't look like there's enough support right now to lynch him. Does anyone else feel that TACKY's plan (if he even has one) isn't worth risking?
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
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1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Maybe there are no mafia here. Only neutrals and townies.
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OK. Aren't you, uhh, worried that so many people want you and Hunted Charlie dead? You've had some time to think about your reads; what did you conclude?
Maybe I'm a purple dinosaur named Barney who sings and plays with children.
This is a Normal. There are mafia in this game. I have a few ideas as to which role names make sense as scum, but obviously I'm not going to say which.
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in real news: Im catching up. Had a freaking insane past few days.
Yes, I'm very worried that I'm going to die but saying that isn't going to help anything.
Hunted Charlie... I think he is scum but I'm not so sure of myself. I still am not liking Dkd no matter what anybody else says.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
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Aren't the two related? Helpful = willing to provide the necessary information?
Too late!
*sigh* I was expecting so much more. It's almost as if you're resigned to your fate.
The information is only as helpful and trustworthy as the person who's supplying it. If he's lying to us then we have no logical choice but to lynch him, whatever the consequences. The "suppress & vig" plan has too many holes for us to trust, and simply doing nothing and letting him live to D2 (what I understand to be the first stage of TACKY's plan) seems even worse.
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I've been on two types of wagons. Wagons full of noob townies who hate my playstyle (Cyouni, Onemoretime, etc) and Wagons that are scum-driven. This is painfully the former, which saddens me because I know how hard they tunnelvision.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
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That post is as scummy as all hell.
There is no possible pro-town reason for you to ask the second question.
That's distrust of the plan, which is perfectly reasonable, given that it relies on one person.
Where, good sir, is your 'multiple people'?
All I can say is:
Either way, you're still wrong.
DKD proposes two plans of action. One, to lynch vezok. Two, to trust TACKY. He settles on the second.
Where, good sir, is the 'fencesitting'?
Nice try.
You're playing exactly like Sigma-scumboman in Asphodel Meadows.
*cough* Really obvious attempt to discredit his wagon *cough*
And good Sigma-scumboman, your chance to call me a noob ended long ago. Nice try, though.
The reason you're still being called a noob is because of the fact that you still play like one. It's getting quite ridiculous by now.
I don't need to use personal insults to reinforce my point, mr. *cough cough* mis-lynched me twice in a row *cough cough*
Could you please specifically state what about my play here is similar to my play in Asphodel meadows? To me it seems like you're just trying to think up reasons because in Asphodel meadows I only made like 10 posts.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Really? Because my, "Oh snap, pressure on me, time to completely overcompensate with my answer so it looks like thoughtful reasoning" detector is also malfunctioning. Doesn't tell me newb town though.
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Either you're completely barning what someone else said about him 'outing himself as scum', or you have first-hand knowledge of whatever's going on with him.
Either way is bad, mmkay?
Again! This was BEFORE Vezok said anything to the effect of more targets being more harmful.
This post bugs me.
Pretty sure it was.
Ding, ding, ding! No, but seriously, this was funny.
Gee, that was smart.
I think it's perfectly appropriate that he could have some kind of ability-absorbing. He's Sylar.
ROFL.
Hm.
Then why say anything at all? Yeesh.
Agreed if you mean less posts. Hard to keep up.
90% likely for me that Vezok is telling the truth.
If he's not telling the truth, he's scum, so lynching today is no big deal.
If he is telling the truth, it still is probably smart not to risk letting something happen with him tonight. So I'm in agreement.
I will say, however, that I feel Ted would probably more simply kill himself and the person targeting him or something. Not full-scale Armageddon.
I know this game is flavorful to the maxxxxx, but why would you even mention the Haitian right now?
May I just promote the use of "AInv" for AsianInvasion. That could solve things.
Yeah, fair enough I guess. I just don't really like the way you are so confident about it; to the point of basing plans around it.
I like your posting so far, TACKY, but I am not sure this will be worth it. Are you even sure? Taking the risk of having him around into account?
Exactly right.
Lol, that's not encouraging.
I think people are just making a big deal over the hmm. i believe he's telling the truth. However i still think him and jobo are scum. When it was pointed out they could be scum buddies jobo starts bussing HC. For some reason jobo comes out more scummy then HC to me so:
vote jobo
I still feel like its unsafe to not kill vez but im willing to believe in tacky's plan. I just hope he doesn't die tonight and that sylar doesn't make use of vez before we can.
@ecophagy: thats a lot of mod gaming
I was really hoping you'd respond with something like that.
Actually, yes, you do. And you have every time you've been scum.
So, let's look at the timeline in Asphodel Meadows:
joboman is scum. (Oh, and his role-name was something like Raymond "Sigma" McNulty.)
joboman enters the game as a replacement during N1.
After some time, joboman makes a horrible case on Cyan (SK, and the main suspect for being SK), using events that never happened.
I call him on his BS.
joboman proceeds to defend his case by telling me that if I looked, I'd find the events.
Again, I call him on his BS.
joboman proceeds to pretend that I was referring to the fact that Cyan had suspicion on him.
I call him on his strawmanning and vote him.
joboman then uses the exact same point that he just made, that I'd 'mislynched' him twice in the same game. Also proceeds to call me an idiot, and tell me that he's not going to listen to my 'idiotic' posts.
I call him on his ad hom.
The rest is stuff that probably won't happen again:
joboman receives Cyan's (SK) role PM.
joboman proceeds to slowly disseminate this information in the hope it'll save him.
Cyan daykills joboman.
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In this game, DKD replaces Cyan. An easy target that joboman can go after.
The rest is pretty obvious. I have no doubt that were I not to have made this post, and instead continued to call joboman on his BS, it would play out exactly the same way.
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His scum meta relies on strawmanning, deflection, and ad hom, behaviours that aren't present in his town meta.
He also starts referencing his town games when he's scum. Especially Guildpact, calling it "mislynched twice in a row".
Oh, and you were cult the second time, so it wasn't a mislynch.
Confirm vote.
Seriously though, You will have your chance to kill Vezok if need be tomorrow, guaranteed. Also, I don't condone a vigging. If Vezok does live through the day, a vigging would be very detrimental to the plan and more importantly, the town. However, the town stands to reap great benefits from this plan.
@AlpI: Yeah, having him around can be dangerous, but like I stated early, the gift of foresight is on our side.
No matter what though, lynch him tomorrow. Prolly a solid idea there.
Finally, I still think HC is the better lynch, only because it gives us far more insight on Joboman, but I support a Joboman lynch as well.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
If I'm not mistaken, this is not a defense inany way, shape or form.
I was sorta /barning as I agreed to the fact I thought it was a scum tell being given off.
and I took a shot in the dark based off ted's flavour from the show, and my limited knowledge of mafia wrokings. did i get lucky and hit the nail on the head, yes. did i knwo anything from the inside, no.
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What I mean by this is that even though it may seem half-assed (and I assure you my methods are) but I can be right, and a decent amount of the time I am.
Cyouni, now that you've said the things like strawmanning that I did in that game, please show me where I've strawmanned in this game.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Nothing becomes all
Here you stand before me
So here shall you fall
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"Just One More Chance"
Nothing becomes all
Here you stand before me
So here shall you fall
Thanks to Damnation Studios and Darth Monkey
"Just One More Chance"
As far as Jobo/HC go, I think Jobo should go first. I could explain why I'm going to vote Jobo, but I think that would be beating a dead horse at this point.
I think a few people are taking advantage of the fact that there is a ton of posting going on in this game to hide in the background. Just something to keep in mind (Yes, I realize I haven't posted very much either. I'm trying to post at least once a day, hopefully more.).
Vote: Joboman
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