Whoa... Ok, I was hoping to get player reactions on his wagon before we killed him. Tip for the future players: Always get everyone's opinion on a kill wagon before hanging the rope.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Not Voting: SGT_Chubbz, vezokpiraka, Guardman, Silent Prophet, nacho wizard
With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.
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The day began much as any other. Everyone gathered in the lobby of the Hyperion Hotel to discuss the day ahead and any plans.
atlseal: So, how is everyone?
The_Muffin_Man: Good.
Silent Prophet: Wndrfl, y?
nacho_wizard: YOU CAN'T KILL ME!
blue: Wut? Why are you proclaiming this out of nowhere?
nacho_wizard: Because I'm Angel! You can't kill me!
AlphaInsidious: We'll see about that!
AlphaInsidious pummels nacho_wizard aside his head. Powerrox93 and atlseal impale him with swords. The_Muffin_Man and ExlighT18 shoot him repeatedly.
Blue: How are you still standing?
blue throws Holy Water on nacho_wizard, who screams horribly. Closely behind, tordeck came along with a stake.
tordeck: I know what to do.
He plunges the stake straight into nacho_wizard's heart. nacho_wizard immediately turns to dust. From overhead comes the voice of the Powers That Be.
PTB: Fools! What have you done?
He was Angel, the Town Bodyguard!
Who will protect you now?
With sighs and grunts of displeasure, everyone heads to their respective rooms to ponder the days' events.
nacho_wizard has been lynched. He was Angel, Town Bodyguard.
It is now Night 1. All night actions are due Friday, July 2 at 5PM CST.
If you are not wanting to submit an action, please PM me anyway.
As day two begins, everyone gathers in the lobby once again.
tordeck: Did everyone sleep well?
Everyone grumbles with assent.
Silent Prophet: Wait, someone's missing.
atlseal: Yeah, where's AlphaInsidious?
Everyone moves to find him. Searching his room, they come upon a gruesome sight indeed. Lying on the floor of his room holding a bottle of Irish whiskey, they find AlphaInsidious. It is apparent that he was shot between the eyes.
AlphaInsidious has been killed during the night. He was Allen Francis Doyle, Town Vanilla
Major FOS: Chubbz that is normally considered a huge scum tell. I've fallen victim to that one before, luckily the town didn't really act on it.
On a related note, TACKY (replacing ExlighT18) has moved back to a neutral status for me. A lot of my belief around ExlighT18 revolved around NW being scum.
Also, Vote: The Muffin Man. His votes on the nacho wagon yesterday are much more scummy in the new light.
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Also, [COLOR=blue]Vote: The Muffin Man. [/COLOR][COLOR=black]His votes on the nacho wagon yesterday are much more scummy in the new light.[/COLOR]
You mean other than getting on the wagon when it was gaining votes and jumping off when it was losing votes??
Like I stated before, I jumped off the wagon because I was not sure of NW and everything about Exlight was making me think that he was scum. At that point, I didn't have enough to go for EL and never got any more. Then, towards the end, I grew tired of NWs pointless spam and just wanted him gone, so I jumped back on the wagon.
Like I stated before, I jumped off the wagon because I was not sure of NW and everything about Exlight was making me think that he was scum. At that point, I didn't have enough to go for EL and never got any more. Then, towards the end, I grew tired of NWs pointless spam and just wanted him gone, so I jumped back on the wagon.
This is the bit that doesn't make any sense. If you unvote while believing something like that, you would build a case or at least vote on your new higher suspect. You did neither.
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This is the bit that doesn't make any sense. If you unvote while believing something like that, you would build a case or at least vote on your new higher suspect. You did neither.
Because if you look at it, he made no more posts that were weird in any way after I unvoted. I was waiting to see if he would, though I should have put some pressure on him in retrospect, and he didn't.
EBWOP: Looking back at it now, the only suspicious things he did were dumb OMGUS votes on you and Nacho. He lacked reasoning on both votes, and was acting scummy, but I was more focused on just getting rid of Nacho. I do, however, see many things that scream scum from him. However, due to the suspension, I will hold off to see how his replacement acts. It could just be that EL was a very...aggressive player.
Because it has gotten so bad as that the mods have have to get involved I agree that regardless alignment nacho has to go. I really wish he had chosen to either play the game or just replaced out rather than act the way he did. vote nacho
This post bothers me. It basically reads, well I don't really care what Nacho's alignment is as long as we lynch him.
If you're going to replace ExlighT18, please don't duplicate his voting style. I'm sure everyone would really appreciate some logical arguments to go with your votes.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
If you're going to replace ExlighT18, please don't duplicate his voting style. I'm sure everyone would really appreciate some logical arguments to go with your votes.
Firstly, care to do a comparison between me and Exlight? Cause that seems bad, equating the two of us right off the bat.
Lastly, you just wait. For Saturday. When I'm not drunk/working/at an FNM.
Double-lastly, I love your instant mini-freakout here.
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Firstly, care to do a comparison between me and Exlight? Cause that seems bad, equating the two of us right off the bat.
Are you talking about you voting without an argument behind it? I have no clue which statement you're talking about here. I'll be glad to answer you once you clear that up.
Double-lastly, I love your instant mini-freakout here.
Less a freak out and more of tiring over players voting without justification. I love how you put an emotion into a post that wasn't there. I hope that's not your entire argument. Looking forward to this Saturday
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Well, to be perfectly honest, I do find Nacho Wizard's actions a bit odd. At this point we have absolutely no leads anyway, so I will Lynch Nacho Wizard.
However, IGMEOY Powerrox...
using lynch instead of Vote here may be newb mistake but you repeat it when the rules clearly say vote. not scum tell necessarily you just don't seem to care much about the rules.
This vote seems like a barn for no other reason than there's nothing else to do. At the very least it's a careless vote. Apathy is not a good town trait.
Could be newb one way or the other but I'm starting to see why going back to something silly is scummy. It doesn't move us forward; it's stalling. It's not scumhunting and it seems like you're trying to ingratiate yourself with the town.
Well, based on you saying that it's your "style," I'm beginning to suspect you.
Unvote Nacho Wizard
Previously mentioned I don't like this unvote. If you're suspicious and you were voting then why didn't you vote? To me it seems like you're trying not to commit.
Problem I have is that you voted nacho wizard on basically nothing. Then you basically gave everyone else a free ride saying IGMEOY and I'm beginning to suspect you. Could be progression of the learning curve but....
Like I stated before, I jumped off the wagon because I was not sure of NW and everything about Exlight was making me think that he was scum. At that point, I didn't have enough to go for EL and never got any more. Then, towards the end, I grew tired of NWs pointless spam and just wanted him gone, so I jumped back on the wagon.
Didn't have enough to vote EL but you voted Nacho for even less. Then later it "becomes substantiated" by the fact that Nacho decided to quit and mess the town up completely.
Because if you look at it, he made no more posts that were weird in any way after I unvoted. I was waiting to see if he would, though I should have put some pressure on him in retrospect, and he didn't.
Barn what atlseal said here. You voted and unvoted and you voted again and you never did a pbpa (post by post analysis...you're in one now) and you didn't give good reasons. You were suspicious enough of Exlight to unvote. If you're voting and you're suspicious of someone else but you're waiting for more information, what i've learned is, keep your vote where it is. If more suspicions arise then you unvote and vote citing what made you suspicious and why you're confirming your vote. Otherwise you'll just seem waffling and non-committal.
EBWOP: Looking back at it now, the only suspicious things he did were dumb OMGUS votes on you and Nacho. He lacked reasoning on both votes, and was acting scummy, but I was more focused on just getting rid of Nacho. I do, however, see many things that scream scum from him. However, due to the suspension, I will hold off to see how his replacement acts. It could just be that EL was a very...aggressive player.
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You were focused on getting rid of Nacho. I don't think you'd say something like this as scum because it's so obv scum it hurts. It messes with my read on you but honestly the rest of the evidence points to you being scum. This is your pbpa. There's a lot here that I think can be attributed to newbishness and some of it would seem scummier if you weren't new to the game. However I believe there are bigger fish to fry at the moment.
Ok so I read the thread, starting at the begining. Check my blog for exp, I have a few ongoings and don't want to discuss them just to cma. I will say that ik prefer the fun of scum. Knowing who everyone is and trying to trick others is quite enjoyable. And I feel it keeps you on your toes more than town.
Keeps you on your toes how?
Comments on players: Light- being in CMB with him I see this type of posting on a daily basis so at this point I don't have a read either way on him. Nacho- seems like noob scum to me vote
A quick vote with very little backing it up. Seems like a bandwagon vote.
Muffin- I don't like the flip flopery and lack of vote on light when he "suspected him" fos Power- noob town
Just quoting other players at this point.
Vez- has a playstyle that gets him dead very early in almost everygame I've seen him in, not sure how to read this as he plays this way no matter his role
And...he posted once. I am still suspicious of this post.
SP- not sure wtf was gong on I n that first post but being in a game that had a post restrction powerrole, maybe this wasn't his fault. But then again this is a basic so who knows.
No post restrictions in a basic. FISHING for a powerrole.
Atlseal- IGMEOY I don't like how he is fishing for info but holding back on things when it tickles his fancy
Funny that you say he's fishing when that's what you did with SP just now.
Everyone else- need more posts/content before I can say for sure my feelings
I've already mentioned how it makes no sense that you made a post about Vez when he posted once and you didn't mention me once.
I am playing catchup and made a generalzation based on meta more tan this particular game.
Page one mostly
Specifically from page one where is he fishing?
I had no solid reads that I was willing to publisize at this time. This lasy post of yours does solidify it enough for me to now say that I am leaning town with you.
Accusing atlseal of withholding information then claiming you're withholding information yourself. Also feels like you're deflecting by just calling me town. what's your reasoning behind that judgment? You say that post specifically but give no specifics about it.
Because it has gotten so bad as that the mods have have to get involved I agree that regardless alignment nacho has to go. I really wish he had chosen to either play the game or just replaced out rather than act the way he did.
vote nacho
Annnnnd there it is. An awful hammer and you're doing exactly what you said we shouldn't do. A quick hammer before getting more information from the town. If I had anything to say about it you'd be dead right now.
ebwop: I dunno what's up with the img gif things. Sorry bout that. I tried six times to post this last night and eventually just saved everything to one note. Dunno why some of those look so weird.
@blue:
1) The Saturday thing was in reference to looking forward to proving TACKY wrong when he posts his case on me that caused him to vote. Especially since it now seems like forming a case to justify a vote instead of the other way around. We'll see how good the argument is.
2) That's actually a great PBPA on tordeck. Enough to actually get me to change my mind about where my vote belongs. Most notably the claim not wanting to rush a lynch, then doing just that. Unvote, Vote: tordeck
3) I hate playing the guess why you weren't killed yeseterday game as it's just entering into WIFOM territory where mortals fear to tread (although valid in certain circumstances like D-1 Doc claim still alive D-3). However, if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the mafia is looking for other power roles, and a common power role strategy is to lurk for the first day or so as to avoid being the target of an investigation (much like the mafia). Also, a vocal player isn't a threat unless they've narrowed their sites on the majority of mafia players.
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I have quite a bit to say to blue and about the case on atseal, but alas right now I'm on my phone so I have to keep it short.
I hammered NW because I did want him out of the game regardless of alignment as he was ruining the spirit of the game and making it unfun. I was also still in a bad mood from going on else where on mtgs so I may have acted hastily. For that I apologise to the game. We should have tried to garner more info on his wagon.
I'm going to have to say if vezok and SP want to keep lurking, they should just ask to be replaced. We only have 1 post from each of them since the start of this game.
@Mod: Even though Day 1 fell in at just around 3 days, would it be possible to get an unnofficial prod on vezok and SP just to make sure that they still have the time to play this game?
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The "Just got home from the airport! Woo!" Vote Count
atlseal (1) : TACKY
tordeck (3) : Guardman, blue, atlseal
Not Voting: SGT_Chubbz, vezokpiraka, , Silent Prophet, Powerrox93, The_Muffin_Man, tordeck
With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
@atseal - Vezok has limited internet access, I think for a few more days. I'll try to find out exactly when.
Edit: He posted on the 25th in another game that he'd be gone for a week, so he should be back soon.
SP should be posting today. I'll check on that, too.
@Powerrox: Thanks, I picked up my brother and his sons whom I hadn't seen in almost a year! Best day ever!
I can see people's souls when they sing. I generally like to stay neutral but when Angel sang it moved me and now I find myself helping him. Stuck in the middle of the battle between The Powers That Be and the Senior Partners
I have no in game abilites
I win when all the minions of the Senior Partners have been emlimiated.
Okay, everything about Exlight's posts at the beginning just scream scum.
really now?hmm thats disturbing......guess im not good enough for a 60/40? fine then be that way be like rockafeller and give away exactly half of everything
This is just weird. So he wants us to think he's scum...?
you think im scum??UNVOTE VOTE ATSEAL
OMGUS!
i did it porpously chubbz to see how others would react...you did exactly as planned, im not worried about you at all
Lame reasoning for his vote on atlseal
I may be a noob here, but this just screams SCUMMY!
UNVOTE
VOTE NachoWizard
BTW, your post make MY eyes bleed.
Really bad vote. "This screams scummy!" Actually, his post wasn't very scummy. It was just defensive and poorly written.
A) im a noob im bound to steal SOMEONES comment :0
B) obviously, you just stole atseals comment....hahaha C) reason? nachos posts make my eyes bleed....its under my vote rofl
Serious lack of reason. He uses poor grammar as a grounds for lynching someone (a crime of which he is also an offender). Again, pretty bad.
EDIT:god, i can be a complete ass sometimes....I LOVE IT!
Taking pride in being an ass.
This is enough for me to be concerned that EL is scum, so I'm going to Vote: Tacky and see what happens.
Also, on Tordeck.
ebwodp unvote don't want a quick hammer to happen. Full claim from NW at this time please
He didn't want a quick hammer, but he hammered it anyway? I know you full claimed, but this just has me ???
I can see people's souls when they sing. I generally like to stay neutral but when Angel sang it moved me and now I find myself helping him. Stuck in the middle of the battle between The Powers That Be and the Senior Partners
I have no in game abilites
I win when all the minions of the Senior Partners have been emlimiated.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but there's now a reason to get the mod's lynch flavor. I was working under the assumption that she was Lorne due to the image, but I guess she could also be the PTB. So, to my surprise, I'm going to Unvote, Vote: MandersHex and if she is Lorne, we just caught ourselves an easy lynch.
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but there's now a reason to get the mod's lynch flavor. I was working under the assumption that she was Lorne due to the image, but I guess she could also be the PTB. So, to my surprise, I'm going to Unvote, Vote: MandersHex and if she is Lorne, we just caught ourselves an easy lynch.
You shouldn't assume anything about the flavor of the game as Manders has already stated. There's no way Manders should reveal her plan at this point as it means she has a role in the game which is disallowed in basics. We will have to work with what we've got.
I'm working with .01% knowledge of the series of Angel so I understand none of the flavor. Is Lorne a valid claim then?
You shouldn't assume anything about the flavor of the game as Manders has already stated. There's no way Manders should reveal her plan at this point as it means she has a role in the game which is disallowed in basics. We will have to work with what we've got.
Mander's shouldn't cover for someone making a false claim like that. If it is a false claim and he was worried about that, he should have asked her. That's player error and it should not be covered for by a mod.
I'm working with .01% knowledge of the series of Angel so I understand none of the flavor. Is Lorne a valid claim then?
Yes, and the flavor fits as he tries his best to keep away from the action, but he is decidely on the side of good. However, I still want to see what MandersHex was planning as a lynch scene. What's the harm in it? The only thing that could go wrong is that not only did she put Lorne into the game as a player character, but she also assumed the identity of Lorne which doesn't make sense.
I think part of your confusion is the "the Host" as part of his claim, but that's a title Lorne called himself a couple times (he's the host at a karaoke bar).
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Mander's shouldn't cover for someone making a false claim like that. If it is a false claim and he was worried about that, he should have asked her. That's player error and it should not be covered for by a mod.
Manders also shouldn't have a role with a role name. Anything she says is interfering with the game.
Yes, and the flavor fits as he tries his best to keep away from the action, but he is decidely on the side of good. However, I still want to see what MandersHex was planning as a lynch scene. What's the harm in it? The only thing that could go wrong is that not only did she put Lorne into the game as a player character, but she also assumed the identity of Lorne which doesn't make sense.
I think part of your confusion is the "the Host" as part of his claim, but that's a title Lorne called himself a couple times (he's the host at a karaoke bar).
I'm not confused I just don't know how valid this claim is. The problem is Tordeck has claimed vanilla and I've learned through other games that vanilla claims don't or shouldn't affect the lynch of a person.
Well that's what your posts are leading me to believe.
Manders has made it clear that she won't post the flavor because there's no point anymore. The only way we could see what this flavor is would be to lynch her. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but this is what I garnered.
Well that's what your posts are leading me to believe.
Manders has made it clear that she won't post the flavor because there's no point anymore. The only way we could see what this flavor is would be to lynch her. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but this is what I garnered.
Ok, I see why the new players are confused. Lynching the mod would not end the day. She would just post the flavor which would include some reason we can't lynch her, the votes would move off her, and the day would continue.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Ok, I see why the new players are confused. Lynching the mod would not end the day. She would just post the flavor which would include some reason we can't lynch her, the votes would move off her, and the day would continue.
As sure as you can be in a game of mafia. I mean, it would be incredibly bad design if the mod ended the day after something like that because it's normally prepared for entertainment on day 1. I have faith in MandersHex as a mod. I'll eat a crow if I'm wrong about this.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Well, I'm just making sure that it doesn't result in going straight to night, because that would mean another opportunity for the scum to kill. It would be bad design, however it's not something I'd completely rule out.
I suppose I'll unvote tacky and vote: Mander's Hex
A vanilla claim means nothing. Especially in a basic.
1. There is a good shot most of the people here are vanilla. Basics usually have around 3 power roles and all I've seen have 3 scum, meaning that there should be around 6 vanilla townies. So him claiming vanilla is not something for him or against him.
2. I've seen scum claim power and I've seen scum claim vanilla. It just depends on what they are planning, and whether they want to try and out a power role.
Now I don't know the flavor, which I think might actually be a good thing, but knowing MH I think we should take her up on her saying that we shouldn't game the mod.
What this means is:
1. His claim does nothing to make me think he is more likely to be scum or town.
2. Everything I've seen of him, and especially the pbpa people have done on him really make me think he is scum.
But I am going to have to FoS: atlseal for that horrible unvoting and gaming the mod. This really looks like he was looking for any reason possible to unvote, and the one he found was blatant mod gaming. And even then he is accusing the mod of helping out a player because her avvy is of his role. Come on. That is just horrible.
Right now, I think you are scum with Tordeck.
And this idea to lynch the mod... are you serious!? This is a basic! And I am very concerned by the fact that you think the lynch scene is so important.
But I am going to have to FoS: atlseal for that horrible unvoting and gaming the mod. This really looks like he was looking for any reason possible to unvote, and the one he found was blatant mod gaming. And even then he is accusing the mod of helping out a player because her avvy is of his role. Come on. That is just horrible.
Seriously, what is the harm is seeing what the mod lynch flavor is? Otherwise, I'm completely convinced of tordeck's claim because the flavor fits.
I'd rather just make sure, but otherwise tordeck's claim convinces me he's town. That's why I unvoted. The flavor fits.
Right now, I think you are scum with Tordeck.
And this idea to lynch the mod... are you serious!? This is a basic! And I am very concerned by the fact that you think the lynch scene is so important.
For the second time, it's not lynching the mod, people. It's seeing what she had already written in our attempt, read that again: attempt to lynch her. Again, the worst that will happen is we will be at the same position we are now. What is everyone's problem with that?
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Its a lot harder to play as scum, because once you slip up its very hard to back your way out of it. So if you are a scum, you have to play perfect or lose. Thats how it keep you on your toes
A quick vote with very little backing it up. Seems like a bandwagon vote.
Just quoting other players at this point.
And...he posted once. I am still suspicious of this post.
Thats about as much backup I give with most of my votes and thoughts. If I /barned anyone its because I agreed with what was being said. I realize vex hasnt been posting but I was using what I've seen of him in other games to admit I cant read him.
No post restrictions in a basic. FISHING for a powerrole.
Funny that you say he's fishing when that's what you did with SP just now.
Was more speculating out loud then fishing.
I've already mentioned how it makes no sense that you made a post about Vez when he posted once and you didn't mention me once.
See above
Specifically from page one where is he fishing?
His attempt to get reads/ roles based on player experiences and thoughts on how they prefer to play
Again with the posting restriction. It's a basic it's not going to happen.
Holding back more information when you've got your eye on someone else for the same thing? Contradiction here.
Accusing atlseal of withholding information then claiming you're withholding information yourself. Also feels like you're deflecting by just calling me town. what's your reasoning behind that judgment? You say that post specifically but give no specifics about it.
He was asked a question and refused to answer it. I stated from the get go that if I continued on the path I was that I would be gamming the mod and I wanted to refrain. Also My idea had come from another game I am in and wanted to check with the mod of that game on what I would be allowed to get away with without being modkilled.
And while all of that points to you being scummy this puts you over the top for me:
Oh really?
Certainly SEEMS town but...but wait!
Annnnnd there it is. An awful hammer and you're doing exactly what you said we shouldn't do. A quick hammer before getting more information from the town. If I had anything to say about it you'd be dead right now.
I admit it was a bad hammer. I was frusterated at the forum mods for something that happened in my clan thread and when I saw red text in the game I literally saw red and hammered just to get rid of NW's bs. He was not playing and was making it unfun. At least for me.
Finally Ok, instead of doing random votes, I'll try a new strategy. For each player (make an educated guess if this is your first game): Do you prefer to play as town or as mafia, and why?
As for me, I prefer to play as town. I like the puzzle solving form of the game better than the trick people game.
I hate this post. It's a minor scumtell that he's killing the random phase right off the bat, and it's a personal tell to me. It tells me that he's interested in getting the game moving along quick, which is something scum want to do. Scum want to get to night, and skipping the random phase is one way to do it.
Plus it throws all the other players off guard, which gives atlseal a chance to attack someone over something ridiculous.
1. I'd appreciate an answer to my first question in this thread
2. Overreact much? Vote: Nacho Wizard
This is the main reasoning for his vote on NW, and after this he is mostly sure of his caught "scum". This vote was on the first page and he carried it over the entire day. It was a weak wagon that lead to a mislynch, it should have never happened and it all stems from this. From someone who claims to know a lot about the game, look for scumtells and recognize newbieness, he does a fairly good job of ignoring his senses here.
I wake up to find the wagon I started has 4 votes. Interesting, however I still like my vote where it is. IGMEOY: ExlighT18
WIFOM + Ad Hom = Epic FAIL in an attempt to elicit an emotional response.
/barn (In fact, that's the second reiteration Powerrox93 has made this game) IGMEOY: Powerrox93
A few things to note here. First, he has the shock and surprise that his weak vote took off into a wagon. Most town players would take a step back and wonder why it accelerated so quick. atlseal just rolls with it like "cool, that's just what I was hoping for!" I'm betting there is at least another scum on that wagon too.
Also, he casts suspicion onto Powerrox for barning. Not only does he barn right here, making this very hypocritical, but it's important later as well.
UnFOS: Powerrox93 - The more I think about how he's been playing, the more I realize it's a lot more like a new player than a scummy player. The large amount of barning is the dead giveaway.
Also, Unvote: Nacho Wizard. DO NOT consider this me stating that I don't like my vote there. I just feel that every player should have a chance to chime in before someone is forced to claim. For all intents and purposes, consider my vote on NW. As soon as all other players have checked in (which, if I remember correctly, is by end of Wed.), I will put my vote right back on.
Here, he excuses Powerrox as not scummy for the same reason he fosed him in the first place: barning. First atlseal says barning is suspicious, then says that's what clears him.
Also does some posturing here. Reinsures the town that he's still totally for this wagon whilst jumping off. It's like a distraction tactic. He's still jumping off, just pointing the other way and saying "look a distraction!"
I have a good idea of what said plan is. Maybe I can end this distraction. It's heavily hinted at that or Mod is Lorne. If you have not seen the show, there is an episode where Lorne is decapitated and he survives quite nicely like his former self. I'll hazard a guess and say that this is the sort of idea our mod was planning on.
Can we bring the pain back on nacho now?
HUUUGE FOS: ExlighT18 now, btw. Moving from bandwagon to "yay random mod fake lynch" That just screams scum.
Sidenote: Unhappy that I thought I had succeeded in getting us past the whole random voting thing. Now, moreso than ever, it is a distraction.
Very eager to lynch NW here.
Also, what about a fake mod lynch screams scum? This is casting unneeded suspicion.
Again, displays hatred for randomness and a need to get along with the day. His posting here is very urgent. Urgency is not a townie attribute.
Sorry, I didn't consider a 5 minute cliffhanger that much of a spoiler. I'll try to put anything that might be construed as a spoiler in spoiler tags for the future.
I was mostly annoyed that players were jumping back to random stage when we've already passed that point.
More random annoyance, I've explained this already.
So either you didn't read my explaination earlier, or you don't agree that we should let all players check in before someone claims. Which is it?
Tries to turn a simple situation into an either/or situation. It doesn't have to be either of these options, but he tries to paint another player as scummy over it. This is scummy.
(EBWODP: In case anyone is wondering why I haven't put my vote back on NW since TMM unvoted, I decided to save the mod/town the confusion of constantly shifting votes on him for the time being. However, again, for all intents and purposes, consider my vote on him once everyone has checked in)
More posturing. Whether he says so or not, he's not on the wagon and that's a fact. He's pushing it but he's not there. Put the vote on and keep it there, that's what dedicated town does. If you don't want someone to claim until people check in, say that. Don't unvote. That's bad.
I'm curious as to where in the wagon each of you think we should look and why.
Shows a little fear here. He's on that wagon, obviously, so when people bring up suspicion of it, he's got to speak up and say something. This reads to me like 'you're suspicious? It's not me is it?'. I also don't like the word curious here, it seems like he's trying to be too innocent, but that's speculation.
That's all I needed to know. Vote: Nacho Wizard for finalz this time. If you were a town player, you wouldn't want to harm us just because you disagree with the wagon upon you, as refusing to claim just because you don't agree with the wagon almost always ends in a lynch.
Your regard to claiming on a wagon is indicitive of a scum mindset, not a townie one.
Uses heavy, heavy WIFOM here. Look at the mafia wiki, check Only True Scotsman. I would link, but I'm dead tired.
Anyway, the whole "if you were town" is baseless WIFOM and he uses that to throw his vote back on. Plus, it's obvious to see that NW was a total newb here, and it's a newb game to boot. atlseal has recognized several other players as newb, but never admitted that for NW.
Also, care to explain why not claiming is always a scum move? Seems like in NW's case it was a town move.
Seriously..? Nobody else finds this the least bit scummy?
I catch nacho claiming to never wanting to claim being a severe scum tell. What's the next thing he does? He broadly states that he is a power role that would rather get lynched than help the town.
Put yourself in the shoes of a power role. Now imagine that a wagon has built up on you. First off, you won't be all "woe is me" about the wagon on you because you should know that your claim will convince the town of your alignment. Second, you will not refuse to claim and force your fellow town mates to lynch a power role.
Just think to yourself for a moment. If you were a town power role, is this how you would have acted/responded to a wagon?
Right now, I think the town should be discussing the validity of the case against nacho_wizard before moving on to any other wagons. We need focus, not distraction.
This is all about "does NW's behavior match up with him being a town power role". If that isn't the case, he is scum.
Again, major persuasive WIFOM as a support argument. "Put yourself in his shoes" is BS. We can't justify his actions even if we were in his shoes. We would all say and do completly different things. This post is just trying to buy the last few townies he needs for a lynch. The behavior issue at the end is just WIFOM icing on a WIFOM case.
I'd give a 50/50 shot of you being our next scum. 80/20 if NW does, in fact, turn up scum.
Setting up the next days lynch and doing it on crap logic. "Oh he was scum so you must be too!" is a great way for scum to lead other players into a mislynch.
Just want to make sure I understand you right. You're referring to my asking if players prefer to play as town or mafia as fishing for information?
Ok, so he obviously understands the point Tordeck is trying to make, but he doesn't refute the point. I do believe that the opening question is a version of meta-fishing.
The Muffin Man is correct. I have never never seen a posting restriction on a basic game. Even if there was, which there isn't, there's no way that a mod would write in SP's.
Mod-gaming. Also shows support for TMM, this will come in later.
Or ... it's just a new player frustrated about nacho wizard's recent spam posts. Honestly, it's more a non-tell than anything when it's combined with the knowledge that TMM is new at this.
Defends TMM as newb, very suggestive that he's town. This also will come up later.
EBWODP: Hello, nacho wizard (currently reading the thread). If you don't feeling like playing with us, would you at least have the courtesy of letting us know that you refuse to claim instead of just spamming the thread?
Fearmongering. It's really scare-tactics is what it is. At this point, it was painfully obvious that NW was not being scummy, but rather he was being purposefully beligerant. That's reason enough to stop the lynch. You don't lynch on beligerance, you lynch because they are scum.
Major FOS: Chubbz that is normally considered a huge scum tell. I've fallen victim to that one before, luckily the town didn't really act on it.
On a related note, TACKY (replacing ExlighT18) has moved back to a neutral status for me. A lot of my belief around ExlighT18 revolved around NW being scum.
Also, Vote: The Muffin Man. His votes on the nacho wagon yesterday are much more scummy in the new light.
Here's where the TMM stuff gets important. It's almost as if he tries to make people forget that he was the main pusher of the NW wagon and goes and blames TMM. Not only that, but as I said earlier, atlsealwas being defensive of TMM and had no problem with him, and now this very sudden heap of blame and scumminess comes out of nowhere, at least to me.
This is the bit that doesn't make any sense. If you unvote while believing something like that, you would build a case or at least vote on your new higher suspect. You did neither.
Again tries to make a situation where TMM is scummy because he didn't do one thing or the other. This is terrible. He's acknowledged that TMM is a newb before, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe that TMM didn't case because he's really new.
So far atlseal has been calling people newb and excusing their actions on one hand, and then blaming them and calling them scum for little things on the other.
If you're going to replace ExlighT18, please don't duplicate his voting style. I'm sure everyone would really appreciate some logical arguments to go with your votes.
Tries to make a weak tie between me and Xlight, as if to carry over some lever of suspicion onto me. The only thing me and Xlight have in common is the role we were given. Don't mudfling like this.
Are you talking about you voting without an argument behind it? I have no clue which statement you're talking about here. I'll be glad to answer you once you clear that up.
Less a freak out and more of tiring over players voting without justification. I love how you put an emotion into a post that wasn't there. I hope that's not your entire argument. Looking forward to this Saturday
Yeah, you make a comparision between me and XLight. That's bad. And you seem bothered and jumpy about my vote. Bad reaction.
Also, care to point out where else you've been frustrated over unjustified votes? Cause you've made some yourself.
@blue:
1) The Saturday thing was in reference to looking forward to proving TACKY wrong when he posts his case on me that caused him to vote. Especially since it now seems like forming a case to justify a vote instead of the other way around. We'll see how good the argument is.
2) That's actually a great PBPA on tordeck. Enough to actually get me to change my mind about where my vote belongs. Most notably the claim not wanting to rush a lynch, then doing just that. Unvote, Vote: tordeck
3) I hate playing the guess why you weren't killed yeseterday game as it's just entering into WIFOM territory where mortals fear to tread (although valid in certain circumstances like D-1 Doc claim still alive D-3). However, if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the mafia is looking for other power roles, and a common power role strategy is to lurk for the first day or so as to avoid being the target of an investigation (much like the mafia). Also, a vocal player isn't a threat unless they've narrowed their sites on the majority of mafia players.
This is great. In point one, he's got a big cocky attitude about answering my case and how he'll prove it wrong. First, that's a way of saying "I'm town this is nothing" and that's suspicious. Also, he tries here to mudfling onto my case before it even happens. This is BS.
Jumps his vote around some more, just barn's onto the Tordeck case. Didn't he cast suspicion onto someone for barning earlier? That's right he did, hypocritical scum is hypocritical.
I don't even know what this short little quip is supposed to mean? Are you saying Tordeck is OMGUSing, asking him, what? Cause with just that little statement, it seems like mudflinging.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but there's now a reason to get the mod's lynch flavor. I was working under the assumption that she was Lorne due to the image, but I guess she could also be the PTB. So, to my surprise, I'm going to Unvote, Vote: MandersHex and if she is Lorne, we just caught ourselves an easy lynch.
Wow, superbad. He's essentially trying to get the mod to hand over a role. He really honestly thinks that we can lynch manders to get her to tells us if someone is falseclaiming or not. That would be the mod handing over classified information. He might as well PMed her asking for role information.
Mander's shouldn't cover for someone making a false claim like that. If it is a false claim and he was worried about that, he should have asked her. That's player error and it should not be covered for by a mod.
Yes, and the flavor fits as he tries his best to keep away from the action, but he is decidely on the side of good. However, I still want to see what MandersHex was planning as a lynch scene. What's the harm in it? The only thing that could go wrong is that not only did she put Lorne into the game as a player character, but she also assumed the identity of Lorne which doesn't make sense.
I think part of your confusion is the "the Host" as part of his claim, but that's a title Lorne called himself a couple times (he's the host at a karaoke bar).
More support for that terrible idea. Brushes it off as player error. That's pure BS.
Seriously, what is the harm is seeing what the mod lynch flavor is? Otherwise, I'm completely convinced of tordeck's claim because the flavor fits.
The harm is all on you. It's a terrible idea, it's something a scum would try. It's almost like cheating too. No, wait, it is cheating, but it's never going to happen.
EBWODP: How about this: @Mod, could you just paste the lynch flavor you had prepared so we don't need to go through a voting exercise?
NO. No. no. nay. Now he's proposing for skipping the whole process and just getting a handed over scum.
This seems like a scum trying to seem clever to the town and nab another mislynch. Like "look at this great foolproof idea guys, let's catch scum with each other!" except it's totally terrible.
As sure as you can be in a game of mafia. I mean, it would be incredibly bad design if the mod ended the day after something like that because it's normally prepared for entertainment on day 1. I have faith in MandersHex as a mod. I'll eat a crow if I'm wrong about this.
Prepare the crow! You there, back in the kitchen, fetch us the lowest quality crow you have! This guy said he'd eat it all!
But seriously, you can't even be 100% sure about this because you aren't running the game. Terrible logic here.
I'd rather just make sure, but otherwise tordeck's claim convinces me he's town. That's why I unvoted. The flavor fits.
For the second time, it's not lynching the mod, people. It's seeing what she had already written in our attempt, read that again: attempt to lynch her. Again, the worst that will happen is we will be at the same position we are now. What is everyone's problem with that?
If you can't see the problem, I'm not going to bother explaining it again. Ok, I lied, I will.
YOU CAN'T ASK THE MOD TO GIVE AWAY ROLE INFORMATION. THEY WON'T DO IT. THAT'S WHY THIS IS A GAME.
tl;dr: He lead a terrible case on a townie, used WIFOM to justify his vote and sway the town, played very hypocritically, mudflinged a little, sucked up to town a little and tried to ignore his involvement in the mislynch. Among several other things.
Please read this case, as I put a lot of time into it. Tell you what, it gives you a great chance to crack a beer and read something interesting and brain-expanding.
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Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Thanks to SGT_Chubbz and Kracked Graphics for the Avvy and Banner!
Nacho Wizard - (7) : AlphaInsidious, Powerrox93, atlseal, The_Muffin_Man, ExlighT18, blue, tordeck
Not Voting: SGT_Chubbz, vezokpiraka, Guardman, Silent Prophet, nacho wizard
With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.
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The day began much as any other. Everyone gathered in the lobby of the Hyperion Hotel to discuss the day ahead and any plans.
The_Muffin_Man: Good.
Silent Prophet: Wndrfl, y?
nacho_wizard: YOU CAN'T KILL ME!
blue: Wut? Why are you proclaiming this out of nowhere?
nacho_wizard: Because I'm Angel! You can't kill me!
AlphaInsidious: We'll see about that!
blue throws Holy Water on nacho_wizard, who screams horribly. Closely behind, tordeck came along with a stake.
He plunges the stake straight into nacho_wizard's heart. nacho_wizard immediately turns to dust. From overhead comes the voice of the Powers That Be.
PTB: Fools! What have you done?
He was Angel, the Town Bodyguard!
Who will protect you now?
With sighs and grunts of displeasure, everyone heads to their respective rooms to ponder the days' events.
nacho_wizard has been lynched. He was Angel, Town Bodyguard.
It is now Night 1. All night actions are due Friday, July 2 at 5PM CST.
If you are not wanting to submit an action, please PM me anyway.
NO MORE POSTING UNTIL DAY 2!
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Everyone grumbles with assent.
Everyone moves to find him. Searching his room, they come upon a gruesome sight indeed. Lying on the floor of his room holding a bottle of Irish whiskey, they find AlphaInsidious. It is apparent that he was shot between the eyes.
AlphaInsidious has been killed during the night. He was Allen Francis Doyle, Town Vanilla
It is now Day 2. With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
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Major FOS: Chubbz that is normally considered a huge scum tell. I've fallen victim to that one before, luckily the town didn't really act on it.
On a related note, TACKY (replacing ExlighT18) has moved back to a neutral status for me. A lot of my belief around ExlighT18 revolved around NW being scum.
Also, Vote: The Muffin Man. His votes on the nacho wagon yesterday are much more scummy in the new light.
How so?
Quotes in blog.
Vote Muffin man
Hrm. I'm dying tonight.
You mean other than getting on the wagon when it was gaining votes and jumping off when it was losing votes??
Indeed, why the quick hammer? Especially since I specifically requested a comment from each player on the wagon.
Like I stated before, I jumped off the wagon because I was not sure of NW and everything about Exlight was making me think that he was scum. At that point, I didn't have enough to go for EL and never got any more. Then, towards the end, I grew tired of NWs pointless spam and just wanted him gone, so I jumped back on the wagon.
Quotes in blog.
This is the bit that doesn't make any sense. If you unvote while believing something like that, you would build a case or at least vote on your new higher suspect. You did neither.
Because if you look at it, he made no more posts that were weird in any way after I unvoted. I was waiting to see if he would, though I should have put some pressure on him in retrospect, and he didn't.
Quotes in blog.
Quotes in blog.
So, after rereading, here are some lists!
TOWN - blue, TMM (very noob), MandersHex (MOD HERP DERP)
Scum, in order from least to greatest: Chubbz, Tordeck, atlseal.
With that: Vote atlseal
This should'a been done day 1.
This post bothers me. It basically reads, well I don't really care what Nacho's alignment is as long as we lynch him.
Vote Tordeck
Why are you voting atlseal?
If you're going to replace ExlighT18, please don't duplicate his voting style. I'm sure everyone would really appreciate some logical arguments to go with your votes.
Firstly, care to do a comparison between me and Exlight? Cause that seems bad, equating the two of us right off the bat.
Lastly, you just wait. For Saturday. When I'm not drunk/working/at an FNM.
Double-lastly, I love your instant mini-freakout here.
Are you talking about you voting without an argument behind it? I have no clue which statement you're talking about here. I'll be glad to answer you once you clear that up.
Less a freak out and more of tiring over players voting without justification. I love how you put an emotion into a post that wasn't there. I hope that's not your entire argument. Looking forward to this Saturday
OK
OK
However, IGMEOY Powerrox...
using lynch instead of Vote here may be newb mistake but you repeat it when the rules clearly say vote. not scum tell necessarily you just don't seem to care much about the rules.
This vote seems like a barn for no other reason than there's nothing else to do. At the very least it's a careless vote. Apathy is not a good town trait.
Mafia newb or Scum newb?
Could be newb one way or the other but I'm starting to see why going back to something silly is scummy. It doesn't move us forward; it's stalling. It's not scumhunting and it seems like you're trying to ingratiate yourself with the town.
Ok
QFT here doesn't make much sense but it's a meh point. Keep your vote. That's what you should do. But ....
Unvote Nacho Wizard
Previously mentioned I don't like this unvote. If you're suspicious and you were voting then why didn't you vote? To me it seems like you're trying not to commit.
Problem I have is that you voted nacho wizard on basically nothing. Then you basically gave everyone else a free ride saying IGMEOY and I'm beginning to suspect you. Could be progression of the learning curve but....
Emphasis mine
This reeks of scum. You say you don't like nacho's attitude, which none of us did, but your attitude to "Just lynch him" is ridiculous.
Pushing the lynch by answering for Nacho.
Didn't have enough to vote EL but you voted Nacho for even less. Then later it "becomes substantiated" by the fact that Nacho decided to quit and mess the town up completely.
Barn what atlseal said here. You voted and unvoted and you voted again and you never did a pbpa (post by post analysis...you're in one now) and you didn't give good reasons. You were suspicious enough of Exlight to unvote. If you're voting and you're suspicious of someone else but you're waiting for more information, what i've learned is, keep your vote where it is. If more suspicions arise then you unvote and vote citing what made you suspicious and why you're confirming your vote. Otherwise you'll just seem waffling and non-committal.
Emphasis mine.
You were focused on getting rid of Nacho. I don't think you'd say something like this as scum because it's so obv scum it hurts. It messes with my read on you but honestly the rest of the evidence points to you being scum. This is your pbpa. There's a lot here that I think can be attributed to newbishness and some of it would seem scummier if you weren't new to the game. However I believe there are bigger fish to fry at the moment.
Unvote
Looking forward to this Saturday
What does this have to do with anything?
Also atlseal: Why do you think you weren't killed last night?
Ok so I read the thread, starting at the begining.
Check my blog for exp, I have a few ongoings and don't want to discuss them just to cma. I will say that ik prefer the fun of scum. Knowing who everyone is and trying to trick others is quite enjoyable. And I feel it keeps you on your toes more than town.
Keeps you on your toes how?
Comments on players:
Light- being in CMB with him I see this type of posting on a daily basis so at this point I don't have a read either way on him.
Nacho- seems like noob scum to me vote
A quick vote with very little backing it up. Seems like a bandwagon vote.
Muffin- I don't like the flip flopery and lack of vote on light when he "suspected him" fos
Power- noob town
Just quoting other players at this point.
Vez- has a playstyle that gets him dead very early in almost everygame I've seen him in, not sure how to read this as he plays this way no matter his role
And...he posted once. I am still suspicious of this post.
SP- not sure wtf was gong on I n that first post but being in a game that had a post restrction powerrole, maybe this wasn't his fault. But then again this is a basic so who knows.
No post restrictions in a basic. FISHING for a powerrole.
Atlseal- IGMEOY I don't like how he is fishing for info but holding back on things when it tickles his fancy
Funny that you say he's fishing when that's what you did with SP just now.
Everyone else- need more posts/content before I can say for sure my feelings
I've already mentioned how it makes no sense that you made a post about Vez when he posted once and you didn't mention me once.
Page one mostly
Specifically from page one where is he fishing?
I had no solid reads that I was willing to publisize at this time. This lasy post of yours does solidify it enough for me to now say that I am leaning town with you.
Accusing atlseal of withholding information then claiming you're withholding information yourself. Also feels like you're deflecting by just calling me town. what's your reasoning behind that judgment? You say that post specifically but give no specifics about it.
With first SP and now Nacho I warrent a guess that either there is somekind of rolling post restriction or, they both just being annoying.
Again with the posting restriction. It's a basic it's not going to happen.
Holding back more information when you've got your eye on someone else for the same thing? Contradiction here.
And while all of that points to you being scummy this puts you over the top for me:
Oh really?
Only a scum would want to rush a lynch befoe garnering all info the town can.
vote tmm
Certainly SEEMS town but...but wait!
vote nacho
Annnnnd there it is. An awful hammer and you're doing exactly what you said we shouldn't do. A quick hammer before getting more information from the town. If I had anything to say about it you'd be dead right now.
Vote tordeck
completely irrelevant post and the way he's posting he's post, I don't think he wanna play the game anymore.
Why did you strike out lynch?
1) The Saturday thing was in reference to looking forward to proving TACKY wrong when he posts his case on me that caused him to vote. Especially since it now seems like forming a case to justify a vote instead of the other way around. We'll see how good the argument is.
2) That's actually a great PBPA on tordeck. Enough to actually get me to change my mind about where my vote belongs. Most notably the claim not wanting to rush a lynch, then doing just that. Unvote, Vote: tordeck
3) I hate playing the guess why you weren't killed yeseterday game as it's just entering into WIFOM territory where mortals fear to tread (although valid in certain circumstances like D-1 Doc claim still alive D-3). However, if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the mafia is looking for other power roles, and a common power role strategy is to lurk for the first day or so as to avoid being the target of an investigation (much like the mafia). Also, a vocal player isn't a threat unless they've narrowed their sites on the majority of mafia players.
I hammered NW because I did want him out of the game regardless of alignment as he was ruining the spirit of the game and making it unfun. I was also still in a bad mood from going on else where on mtgs so I may have acted hastily. For that I apologise to the game. We should have tried to garner more info on his wagon.
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Oh I'm sure you do but...what case on atlseal? It hasn't been posted yet. fos tacky
This sounds like collusion.
OMGUS too?
No omgus. Your vote was good. I mishandled that hammer and I can see where you vote is coming from (if your town that is)
The Family
@Mod: Even though Day 1 fell in at just around 3 days, would it be possible to get an unnofficial prod on vezok and SP just to make sure that they still have the time to play this game?
atlseal (1) : TACKY
tordeck (3) : Guardman, blue, atlseal
Not Voting: SGT_Chubbz, vezokpiraka, , Silent Prophet, Powerrox93, The_Muffin_Man, tordeck
With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
@atseal - Vezok has limited internet access, I think for a few more days. I'll try to find out exactly when.
Edit: He posted on the 25th in another game that he'd be gone for a week, so he should be back soon.
SP should be posting today. I'll check on that, too.
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I can see people's souls when they sing. I generally like to stay neutral but when Angel sang it moved me and now I find myself helping him. Stuck in the middle of the battle between The Powers That Be and the Senior Partners
I have no in game abilites
I win when all the minions of the Senior Partners have been emlimiated.
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This is just weird. So he wants us to think he's scum...?
OMGUS!
Lame reasoning for his vote on atlseal
Really bad vote. "This screams scummy!" Actually, his post wasn't very scummy. It was just defensive and poorly written.
Serious lack of reason. He uses poor grammar as a grounds for lynching someone (a crime of which he is also an offender). Again, pretty bad.
Taking pride in being an ass.
This is enough for me to be concerned that EL is scum, so I'm going to Vote: Tacky and see what happens.
Also, on Tordeck.
He didn't want a quick hammer, but he hammered it anyway? I know you full claimed, but this just has me ???
Quotes in blog.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but there's now a reason to get the mod's lynch flavor. I was working under the assumption that she was Lorne due to the image, but I guess she could also be the PTB. So, to my surprise, I'm going to Unvote, Vote: MandersHex and if she is Lorne, we just caught ourselves an easy lynch.
You shouldn't assume anything about the flavor of the game as Manders has already stated. There's no way Manders should reveal her plan at this point as it means she has a role in the game which is disallowed in basics. We will have to work with what we've got.
I'm working with .01% knowledge of the series of Angel so I understand none of the flavor. Is Lorne a valid claim then?
Mander's shouldn't cover for someone making a false claim like that. If it is a false claim and he was worried about that, he should have asked her. That's player error and it should not be covered for by a mod.
Yes, and the flavor fits as he tries his best to keep away from the action, but he is decidely on the side of good. However, I still want to see what MandersHex was planning as a lynch scene. What's the harm in it? The only thing that could go wrong is that not only did she put Lorne into the game as a player character, but she also assumed the identity of Lorne which doesn't make sense.
I think part of your confusion is the "the Host" as part of his claim, but that's a title Lorne called himself a couple times (he's the host at a karaoke bar).
Manders also shouldn't have a role with a role name. Anything she says is interfering with the game.
I'm not confused I just don't know how valid this claim is. The problem is Tordeck has claimed vanilla and I've learned through other games that vanilla claims don't or shouldn't affect the lynch of a person.
I'm confused by what you mean with this. It seems like fearmongering fos powerrox
Care to explain?
It just sounds like he's stating his philosophy, but it's weirdly written.
As for the claim, I doubt it is false. Because earlier in the thread where atlseal said she could be Lorne and the whole surviving thing, she said
This makes me think he's not faking. I don't think she would give herself a role like that anyway, though I don't watch the show.
Quotes in blog.
So you're in favor of not lynching somebody who's actually in the game and going to night?
Quotes in blog.
What??? Where did you get that idea?
Well that's what your posts are leading me to believe.
Manders has made it clear that she won't post the flavor because there's no point anymore. The only way we could see what this flavor is would be to lynch her. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but this is what I garnered.
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Ok, I see why the new players are confused. Lynching the mod would not end the day. She would just post the flavor which would include some reason we can't lynch her, the votes would move off her, and the day would continue.
Are you sure of this?
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As sure as you can be in a game of mafia. I mean, it would be incredibly bad design if the mod ended the day after something like that because it's normally prepared for entertainment on day 1. I have faith in MandersHex as a mod. I'll eat a crow if I'm wrong about this.
I suppose I'll unvote tacky and vote: Mander's Hex
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1. There is a good shot most of the people here are vanilla. Basics usually have around 3 power roles and all I've seen have 3 scum, meaning that there should be around 6 vanilla townies. So him claiming vanilla is not something for him or against him.
2. I've seen scum claim power and I've seen scum claim vanilla. It just depends on what they are planning, and whether they want to try and out a power role.
Now I don't know the flavor, which I think might actually be a good thing, but knowing MH I think we should take her up on her saying that we shouldn't game the mod.
What this means is:
1. His claim does nothing to make me think he is more likely to be scum or town.
2. Everything I've seen of him, and especially the pbpa people have done on him really make me think he is scum.
But I am going to have to FoS: atlseal for that horrible unvoting and gaming the mod. This really looks like he was looking for any reason possible to unvote, and the one he found was blatant mod gaming. And even then he is accusing the mod of helping out a player because her avvy is of his role. Come on. That is just horrible.
Right now, I think you are scum with Tordeck.
And this idea to lynch the mod... are you serious!? This is a basic! And I am very concerned by the fact that you think the lynch scene is so important.
I'd rather just make sure, but otherwise tordeck's claim convinces me he's town. That's why I unvoted. The flavor fits.
For the second time, it's not lynching the mod, people. It's seeing what she had already written in our attempt, read that again: attempt to lynch her. Again, the worst that will happen is we will be at the same position we are now. What is everyone's problem with that?
Its a lot harder to play as scum, because once you slip up its very hard to back your way out of it. So if you are a scum, you have to play perfect or lose. Thats how it keep you on your toes
Thats about as much backup I give with most of my votes and thoughts. If I /barned anyone its because I agreed with what was being said. I realize vex hasnt been posting but I was using what I've seen of him in other games to admit I cant read him.
Was more speculating out loud then fishing.
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His attempt to get reads/ roles based on player experiences and thoughts on how they prefer to play
Again with the posting restriction. It's a basic it's not going to happen.
Holding back more information when you've got your eye on someone else for the same thing? Contradiction here.
He was asked a question and refused to answer it. I stated from the get go that if I continued on the path I was that I would be gamming the mod and I wanted to refrain. Also My idea had come from another game I am in and wanted to check with the mod of that game on what I would be allowed to get away with without being modkilled.
I admit it was a bad hammer. I was frusterated at the forum mods for something that happened in my clan thread and when I saw red text in the game I literally saw red and hammered just to get rid of NW's bs. He was not playing and was making it unfun. At least for me.
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I hate this post. It's a minor scumtell that he's killing the random phase right off the bat, and it's a personal tell to me. It tells me that he's interested in getting the game moving along quick, which is something scum want to do. Scum want to get to night, and skipping the random phase is one way to do it.
Plus it throws all the other players off guard, which gives atlseal a chance to attack someone over something ridiculous.
This is the main reasoning for his vote on NW, and after this he is mostly sure of his caught "scum". This vote was on the first page and he carried it over the entire day. It was a weak wagon that lead to a mislynch, it should have never happened and it all stems from this. From someone who claims to know a lot about the game, look for scumtells and recognize newbieness, he does a fairly good job of ignoring his senses here.
A few things to note here. First, he has the shock and surprise that his weak vote took off into a wagon. Most town players would take a step back and wonder why it accelerated so quick. atlseal just rolls with it like "cool, that's just what I was hoping for!" I'm betting there is at least another scum on that wagon too.
Also, he casts suspicion onto Powerrox for barning. Not only does he barn right here, making this very hypocritical, but it's important later as well.
Here, he excuses Powerrox as not scummy for the same reason he fosed him in the first place: barning. First atlseal says barning is suspicious, then says that's what clears him.
Also does some posturing here. Reinsures the town that he's still totally for this wagon whilst jumping off. It's like a distraction tactic. He's still jumping off, just pointing the other way and saying "look a distraction!"
Very eager to lynch NW here.
Also, what about a fake mod lynch screams scum? This is casting unneeded suspicion.
Again, displays hatred for randomness and a need to get along with the day. His posting here is very urgent. Urgency is not a townie attribute.
More random annoyance, I've explained this already.
Tries to turn a simple situation into an either/or situation. It doesn't have to be either of these options, but he tries to paint another player as scummy over it. This is scummy.
Still don't see the massive importance of the beginning question. Care to explain that? I'm not answering it btw.
More posturing. Whether he says so or not, he's not on the wagon and that's a fact. He's pushing it but he's not there. Put the vote on and keep it there, that's what dedicated town does. If you don't want someone to claim until people check in, say that. Don't unvote. That's bad.
Very little analysis here, but throws down his support. Really, this early in the game, atlseal is just anxious to lynch anybody.
Shows a little fear here. He's on that wagon, obviously, so when people bring up suspicion of it, he's got to speak up and say something. This reads to me like 'you're suspicious? It's not me is it?'. I also don't like the word curious here, it seems like he's trying to be too innocent, but that's speculation.
Uses heavy, heavy WIFOM here. Look at the mafia wiki, check Only True Scotsman. I would link, but I'm dead tired.
Anyway, the whole "if you were town" is baseless WIFOM and he uses that to throw his vote back on. Plus, it's obvious to see that NW was a total newb here, and it's a newb game to boot. atlseal has recognized several other players as newb, but never admitted that for NW.
Also, care to explain why not claiming is always a scum move? Seems like in NW's case it was a town move.
Again, major persuasive WIFOM as a support argument. "Put yourself in his shoes" is BS. We can't justify his actions even if we were in his shoes. We would all say and do completly different things. This post is just trying to buy the last few townies he needs for a lynch. The behavior issue at the end is just WIFOM icing on a WIFOM case.
Posturing. I read this as a sort of kissing up to another player. Minor tell, it just struck me the wrong way.
Setting up the next days lynch and doing it on crap logic. "Oh he was scum so you must be too!" is a great way for scum to lead other players into a mislynch.
Ok, so he obviously understands the point Tordeck is trying to make, but he doesn't refute the point. I do believe that the opening question is a version of meta-fishing.
Mod-gaming. Also shows support for TMM, this will come in later.
Defends TMM as newb, very suggestive that he's town. This also will come up later.
Fearmongering. It's really scare-tactics is what it is. At this point, it was painfully obvious that NW was not being scummy, but rather he was being purposefully beligerant. That's reason enough to stop the lynch. You don't lynch on beligerance, you lynch because they are scum.
Here's where the TMM stuff gets important. It's almost as if he tries to make people forget that he was the main pusher of the NW wagon and goes and blames TMM. Not only that, but as I said earlier, atlsealwas being defensive of TMM and had no problem with him, and now this very sudden heap of blame and scumminess comes out of nowhere, at least to me.
Again tries to make a situation where TMM is scummy because he didn't do one thing or the other. This is terrible. He's acknowledged that TMM is a newb before, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe that TMM didn't case because he's really new.
So far atlseal has been calling people newb and excusing their actions on one hand, and then blaming them and calling them scum for little things on the other.
Tries to make a weak tie between me and Xlight, as if to carry over some lever of suspicion onto me. The only thing me and Xlight have in common is the role we were given. Don't mudfling like this.
Yeah, you make a comparision between me and XLight. That's bad. And you seem bothered and jumpy about my vote. Bad reaction.
Also, care to point out where else you've been frustrated over unjustified votes? Cause you've made some yourself.
This is great. In point one, he's got a big cocky attitude about answering my case and how he'll prove it wrong. First, that's a way of saying "I'm town this is nothing" and that's suspicious. Also, he tries here to mudfling onto my case before it even happens. This is BS.
Jumps his vote around some more, just barn's onto the Tordeck case. Didn't he cast suspicion onto someone for barning earlier? That's right he did, hypocritical scum is hypocritical.
I don't even know what this short little quip is supposed to mean? Are you saying Tordeck is OMGUSing, asking him, what? Cause with just that little statement, it seems like mudflinging.
Wow, superbad. He's essentially trying to get the mod to hand over a role. He really honestly thinks that we can lynch manders to get her to tells us if someone is falseclaiming or not. That would be the mod handing over classified information. He might as well PMed her asking for role information.
More support for that terrible idea. Brushes it off as player error. That's pure BS.
The harm is all on you. It's a terrible idea, it's something a scum would try. It's almost like cheating too. No, wait, it is cheating, but it's never going to happen.
NO. No. no. nay. Now he's proposing for skipping the whole process and just getting a handed over scum.
This seems like a scum trying to seem clever to the town and nab another mislynch. Like "look at this great foolproof idea guys, let's catch scum with each other!" except it's totally terrible.
Prepare the crow! You there, back in the kitchen, fetch us the lowest quality crow you have! This guy said he'd eat it all!
But seriously, you can't even be 100% sure about this because you aren't running the game. Terrible logic here.
If you can't see the problem, I'm not going to bother explaining it again. Ok, I lied, I will.
YOU CAN'T ASK THE MOD TO GIVE AWAY ROLE INFORMATION. THEY WON'T DO IT. THAT'S WHY THIS IS A GAME.
tl;dr: He lead a terrible case on a townie, used WIFOM to justify his vote and sway the town, played very hypocritically, mudflinged a little, sucked up to town a little and tried to ignore his involvement in the mislynch. Among several other things.
Please read this case, as I put a lot of time into it. Tell you what, it gives you a great chance to crack a beer and read something interesting and brain-expanding.