- Charles Zenebech (aka Bilbroxian aka the guy who wasn't in the game): I was sad that he didn't really play a part. I was hoping he would use his ability to try to drive people toward his targets and basically hamper the winning faction to buy time, but he never posted once, never used his ability, and only voted once. I'd like to hear from him, actually, as to why that happened.
Not my best game, nor the town's either, in the late game. zindabad's unilateral lynch of Zionite was especially bad; thankfully he eventually got his head screwed on right with the no-lynch. I confess to getting a bit lazy with re-reading post-death.
That being said, AI played well, but his continuous failure to hit a guilty basically guaranteed he'd eventually be pinpointed after the rest of his team imploded trying to get rid of Cyan.
Good game nonetheless.
@Xyre
I like your flavour, and definitely respect what you were trying to do, but must say that while your overarching themes were well-communicated, several of your individual flavour pieces (most notably Penelope Ayers) were simply way too esoteric; requiring a certain pop culture frame of reference to even begin to comprehend, let alone decode. Should you be looking into professional writing, you may wish to avoid scenes like this, which require too specific a knowledge- or mind-set to understand. Also, if you were intending to have the Man in the Armani Suit be a main feature of the flavour, perhaps slightly more emphasis could have been drawn to him -- as it was, I barely scraped together from the blog posts and the lynch/kill scenes his relationships with Sigma and others, but it never really felt like a central issue.
PM-wise, I think I actually preferred your Fiasco Corp PMs. But then again I don't think we've seen most of the Pro-WTO PMs...?
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Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Not my best game, nor the town's either, in the late game. zindabad's unilateral lynch of Zionite was especially bad; thankfully he eventually got his head screwed on right with the no-lynch. I confess to getting a bit lazy with re-reading post-death.
On the contrary, it was Zionite who was especially bad, and he got what he deserved.
I'm a high school teacher and take it from me: if you allow students to goof off at any time, they will take it as carte blanche to goof off all the time. The same goes here. Allowing Zionite's ridiculously anti-town play to go without censure only gives him free reign to continue to play like that. It gives him a sort of mythos that he can call on to excuse his anti-town play in the future, such as lurking, spouting utter nonsense, providing no content, and being nasty to others. The only way to stop this is to make it clear that there are consequences for it besides a few heaved sighs and complaints (which we heard many of throughout the game.)
I made several cases against Zionite. His response was to blow them off and tell me he "wouldn't give me what I want." That kind of complete disregard for the function of the town merits punishment, and I was in a position to deliver it. I genuinely thought he was scum. If I had it to do over again, knowing he was town, I probably would've done it anyway, because the way he was playing was crying out for it.
On the contrary, it was Zionite who was especially bad, and he got what he deserved.
I'm a high school teacher and take it from me: if you allow students to goof off at any time, they will take it as carte blanche to goof off all the time. The same goes here. Allowing Zionite's ridiculously anti-town play to go without censure only gives him free reign to continue to play like that. It gives him a sort of mythos that he can call on to excuse his anti-town play in the future, such as lurking, spouting utter nonsense, providing no content, and being nasty to others. The only way to stop this is to make it clear that there are consequences for it besides a few heaved sighs and complaints (which we heard many of throughout the game.)
I made several cases against Zionite. His response was to blow them off and tell me he "wouldn't give me what I want." That kind of complete disregard for the function of the town merits punishment, and I was in a position to deliver it. I genuinely thought he was scum. If I had it to do over again, knowing he was town, I probably would've done it anyway, because the way he was playing was crying out for it.
Heh.
Seeing this reasoning makes me think it was not such a terrible move. I was constantly annoyed at Zionite's play and it was annoying that due to his play he was still a suspect when his role (and the way he used it) should have largely cleared him.
Still, I'm not sure if this should have taken priority over actually winning the game or even if it's your place to try to correct his behaviour like this anyway.
I'm late to the party (and strapped for time to boot), but thanks for the game Xyre and arim. Lots of craziness. I think the mafia really hosed themselves with how they pushed on Cyan, and the town kind of rested on their lead a bit much.
On the contrary, it was Zionite who was especially bad, and he got what he deserved.
I'm a high school teacher and take it from me: if you allow students to goof off at any time, they will take it as carte blanche to goof off all the time. The same goes here. Allowing Zionite's ridiculously anti-town play to go without censure only gives him free reign to continue to play like that. It gives him a sort of mythos that he can call on to excuse his anti-town play in the future, such as lurking, spouting utter nonsense, providing no content, and being nasty to others. The only way to stop this is to make it clear that there are consequences for it besides a few heaved sighs and complaints (which we heard many of throughout the game.)
I made several cases against Zionite. His response was to blow them off and tell me he "wouldn't give me what I want." That kind of complete disregard for the function of the town merits punishment, and I was in a position to deliver it. I genuinely thought he was scum. If I had it to do over again, knowing he was town, I probably would've done it anyway, because the way he was playing was crying out for it.
I missed this, hopefully not too late to respond.
Zindabad, you blatantly ignored the opinions of all other people and took matters into your own hands, and were wrong. The fact that you still don't even take responsibility for that is astounding. You see, you should know what I'm like after being role-confirmed. I've played like this many times, and will probably continue to do so. What you failed to notice was everyone disagreeing with you.
What kind of scum would respond to you saying "Answer these accusations" with a blatant "no"? I still don't see what got you into that kind of tunnelvision, but I plan to watch out for it in the future and keep in mind how blind you can really make yourself. Even after the game you don't believe I was town. It's amazing.
EDIT: I also want to add that you assuming I have a high-school student mentality is insulting.
I agree w/ Zionite. I didn't think that there was any chance, at any moment, that he was scum. This should have been easily realized by anyone, and was realized by almost everyone.
You played the game badly, Zindabad. Not Zionite. You got confirmed as town and took this to mean that your opinion was infallible, and proceed to be wrong about everything all of the time.
I agree w/ Zionite. I didn't think that there was any chance, at any moment, that he was scum. This should have been easily realized by anyone, and was realized by almost everyone.
You played the game badly, Zindabad. Not Zionite. You got confirmed as town and took this to mean that your opinion was infallible, and proceed to be wrong about everything all of the time.
Yes, wrong about everything, that was me:
right about Fox
right about D_V
right about Jobie
right about you and C_M
proposed and got a NL to save town Cyouni from a needless lynch
right about AI
You must mean I was right about everything but Zionite. I appreciate your interest in my play, but you really should use the preview button and get your facts straight before you hit post.
@Zionite: As long as you continue to play the way you did in this game, you will get the same response from me whether you are town or scum.
But that's just the thing Zindabad, you tunnelvisioned so hard and ignored everyone else. You shouldn't do that ever. You can't just assume someone is scum simply because they do not like your methods of hunting.
Isn't bringing in past vendettas into a new game against a rule somewhere?
Wrong about me, zind, lest you forget. The game got unnecessarily prolonged because your process of elimination was terrible. I was not kidding when I said that your play quality goes way down once you see yourself as confirmed (ok, sample of twice, but still).
Wrong about me, zind, lest you forget. The game got unnecessarily prolonged because your process of elimination was terrible. I was not kidding when I said that your play quality goes way down once you see yourself as confirmed (ok, sample of twice, but still).
Not to mention lynching the one that confirmed him.
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To be perfectly honest:
I forgot I had those abilities.:embarrass:
Many thanks to Sgt. Chubbz of Damnation studios.
It's been changed now, in case you now have an inkling.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
That being said, AI played well, but his continuous failure to hit a guilty basically guaranteed he'd eventually be pinpointed after the rest of his team imploded trying to get rid of Cyan.
Good game nonetheless.
@Xyre
I like your flavour, and definitely respect what you were trying to do, but must say that while your overarching themes were well-communicated, several of your individual flavour pieces (most notably Penelope Ayers) were simply way too esoteric; requiring a certain pop culture frame of reference to even begin to comprehend, let alone decode. Should you be looking into professional writing, you may wish to avoid scenes like this, which require too specific a knowledge- or mind-set to understand. Also, if you were intending to have the Man in the Armani Suit be a main feature of the flavour, perhaps slightly more emphasis could have been drawn to him -- as it was, I barely scraped together from the blog posts and the lynch/kill scenes his relationships with Sigma and others, but it never really felt like a central issue.
PM-wise, I think I actually preferred your Fiasco Corp PMs. But then again I don't think we've seen most of the Pro-WTO PMs...?
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
On the contrary, it was Zionite who was especially bad, and he got what he deserved.
I'm a high school teacher and take it from me: if you allow students to goof off at any time, they will take it as carte blanche to goof off all the time. The same goes here. Allowing Zionite's ridiculously anti-town play to go without censure only gives him free reign to continue to play like that. It gives him a sort of mythos that he can call on to excuse his anti-town play in the future, such as lurking, spouting utter nonsense, providing no content, and being nasty to others. The only way to stop this is to make it clear that there are consequences for it besides a few heaved sighs and complaints (which we heard many of throughout the game.)
I made several cases against Zionite. His response was to blow them off and tell me he "wouldn't give me what I want." That kind of complete disregard for the function of the town merits punishment, and I was in a position to deliver it. I genuinely thought he was scum. If I had it to do over again, knowing he was town, I probably would've done it anyway, because the way he was playing was crying out for it.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Heh.
Seeing this reasoning makes me think it was not such a terrible move. I was constantly annoyed at Zionite's play and it was annoying that due to his play he was still a suspect when his role (and the way he used it) should have largely cleared him.
Still, I'm not sure if this should have taken priority over actually winning the game or even if it's your place to try to correct his behaviour like this anyway.
Basic #10-Town-Win
Sword of Truth-Town-Loss
LOTR II - Town-Loss
Indiana Jones - Town-Win
Manipulator - Town-Win
The Asphodel Meadows - Town-Win
Highlander - Neutral Survivor - Win
I feel bad for Charm.
I missed this, hopefully not too late to respond.
Zindabad, you blatantly ignored the opinions of all other people and took matters into your own hands, and were wrong. The fact that you still don't even take responsibility for that is astounding. You see, you should know what I'm like after being role-confirmed. I've played like this many times, and will probably continue to do so. What you failed to notice was everyone disagreeing with you.
What kind of scum would respond to you saying "Answer these accusations" with a blatant "no"? I still don't see what got you into that kind of tunnelvision, but I plan to watch out for it in the future and keep in mind how blind you can really make yourself. Even after the game you don't believe I was town. It's amazing.
EDIT: I also want to add that you assuming I have a high-school student mentality is insulting.
You played the game badly, Zindabad. Not Zionite. You got confirmed as town and took this to mean that your opinion was infallible, and proceed to be wrong about everything all of the time.
Yes, wrong about everything, that was me:
right about Fox
right about D_V
right about Jobie
right about you and C_M
proposed and got a NL to save town Cyouni from a needless lynch
right about AI
You must mean I was right about everything but Zionite. I appreciate your interest in my play, but you really should use the preview button and get your facts straight before you hit post.
@Zionite: As long as you continue to play the way you did in this game, you will get the same response from me whether you are town or scum.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Isn't bringing in past vendettas into a new game against a rule somewhere?
Not to mention lynching the one that confirmed him.