The reason I do this is because, when I do say one thing, I get labeled as scum. It happened before and it's happening now.
Put it aside. As town you'll understand that it doesn't matter to much. As long as town wins you win. You must pressure others to get reactions and if you get lynched in the meantime, so be it. It gives other townies something to go back and dissect. Being vocal and getting lynched is actually helpful. Sitting back in the shadows is not.
Actually, having found out just how much ☺☺☺☺ I have to catch up with from this weekend (which for no good reason was apparently a much more active weekend than usual >.>), I'm going to postpone my huge post here until tomorrow sometime. Forgive me, and don't think I'm trying to lurk or blah because of this, it's just hard to read and think and post and read some more all while keeping these different thoughts separate and... gah! Too much to read I can't even coherently post that I can't post. See you tomorrow.
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Put it aside. As town you'll understand that it doesn't matter to much. As long as town wins you win. You must pressure others to get reactions and if you get lynched in the meantime, so be it. It gives other townies something to go back and dissect. Being vocal and getting lynched is actually helpful. Sitting back in the shadows is not.
I don't actually agree with him on this, but i'm still a noob so you don't have to care about my opinion. I think that its in the best intrest of the town to make as little mis-lynches as possible, so people should defend themselves just as much as they attack others. That means explaining their actions, and acting defensively.
its in the best intrest of the town to make as little mis-lynches as possible,
Well duh. But you as a player cant be burdened with the thought of getting lynched over everything you say.
so people should defend themselves just as much as they attack others. That means explaining their actions, and acting defensively.
They don't have to defend as much as they attack if no one is questioning them. And acting defensively will get you in hot water. Now defend yourself accordingly, thats something different.
I don't want to change the course of the game here and turn it into how to conduct yourself but I had to add this.
I will attempt to do it without giving away my guild. Just in case.
I believe that Ravnica is corrupt, and I can sense that there are traitors. It also says (waitaminute, I'll need to go over this later) that I am the only one capable of uncovering the truth, though the truth may not be, shall we say, well liked by some.
joboman, I'd really like you to expand on your flavour.
I will attempt to do it without giving away my guild. Just in case.
I believe that Ravnica is corrupt, and I can sense that there are traitors. It also says (waitaminute, I'll need to go over this later) that I am the only one capable of uncovering the truth, though the truth may not be, shall we say, well liked by some.
joboman, I'd really like you to expand on your flavour.
I'd also really like a watch on me tonight.
No, please give a full flavor claim. This is not enough. seriously....
I don't see what else to give, I need to collect abilities to perfect Kraj, and if the guildpact falls then there will be too much of a chaos to do that.
Right. Do we stay with SA or move to Luck? Man I hope we have a vig.
Mind if I ask why? Anyway, I've been sick for the past few days so I have a lot to get caught up on. I'm going to try to read most of the thread tonight, but for now I will Vote: Joboman because I remember him acting scummy.
No, please give a full flavor claim. This is not enough. seriously....
I don't see what else to give, I need to collect abilities to perfect Kraj, and if the guildpact falls then there will be too much of a chaos to do that.
You tell me that it's not enough, and yet you expect us to believe that what you provided is all you have? No.
Oh, and I just noticed that my PM hints that one of the Paruns is scum. That's from my character's perspective, however, so take it as you will.
Mind if I ask why? Anyway, I've been sick for the past few days so I have a lot to get caught up on. I'm going to try to read most of the thread tonight, but for now I will Vote: Joboman because I remember him acting scummy.
Wow thats not scummy at all. Not knowing whats going on and throwing a vote down like that.
I know. However, now that my role is out, I believe that there is a small chance I may be killed this night.
And if they try to avoid claiming a Parun, it'll be obvious. Look at the possible guilds and then think on it a bit. (I count 3-5 possibilities, all of which would be pretty obvious.) Then again, the information might be wrong. First, it's based on my character's opinion. Second, like another player in a game I've seen, I could be the Parun I'm referring to myself.
I'm not trying to mod the game here but if anyone has read the ravnica books (I didn't I read the wiki page) you would know that Momir Vig, is not a good guy. He tried to force everyone into a cytoplast surgery without their consent (similar to the borg in Star Trek). He allied with the Golgari and was stopped by Argus Kos. If any of the paruns would be scum, Momir Vig would be a good contender.
I'm not trying to mod the game here but if anyone has read the ravnica books (I didn't I read the wiki page) you would know that Momir Vig, is not a good guy. He tried to force everyone into a cytoplast surgery without their consent (similar to the borg in Star Trek). He allied with the Golgari and was stopped by Argus Kos. If any of the paruns would be scum, Momir Vig would be a good contender.
LOL HOLY F'ING ☺☺☺☺ LOL.
THIS IS A SCUMMY POST. This is what we've been saying "oh scum would never do something as stupid as that."
Cyouni FULL FLAVOR CLAIM NOW.
You are not cleared. You're claim is not backed up in any way, and you are withholding information. Stop stalling and JUST FLAVOR CLAIM ALREADY. I'm pretty annoyed here.
I'm not trying to mod the game here but if anyone has read the ravnica books (I didn't I read the wiki page) you would know that Momir Vig, is not a good guy. He tried to force everyone into a cytoplast surgery without their consent (similar to the borg in Star Trek). He allied with the Golgari and was stopped by Argus Kos. If any of the paruns would be scum, Momir Vig would be a good contender.
Nice mudslinging here. Especially since Vig isn't even a parun.
Seriously. People vote him, get him to claim, and probably lynch him.
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Cyouni FULL FLAVOR CLAIM NOW.
You are not cleared. You're claim is not backed up in any way, and you are withholding information. Stop stalling and JUST FLAVOR CLAIM ALREADY. I'm pretty annoyed here.
I see no reason to do so. It gains absolutely nothing. Plus, you do realize I'm under no pressure? As a result of your inane probing, I've lost valuable information to the scum.
This is beginning to get ridiculous. Fishing for information which would only be valuable to the scum. Refusal to claim more than the barest amount of information when there is quite obviously more. Your actions have been scummy in the past, and I let it slip because of the claim, much like Seppel in Basic #12. We shall see.
Wait what? One of the parun might be scum was a trap and a lie? Anyway, a parun is a guild leader am I correct? Momir Vig was the leader of the Simic Combine.
Nice mudslinging here. Especially since Vig isn't even a parun.
Seriously. People vote him, get him to claim, and probably lynch him.
I see no reason to do so. It gains absolutely nothing. Plus, you do realize I'm under no pressure? As a result of your inane probing, I've lost valuable information to the scum.
This is beginning to get ridiculous. Fishing for information which would only be valuable to the scum. Refusal to claim more than the barest amount of information when there is quite obviously more. Your actions have been scummy in the past, and I let it slip because of the claim, much like Seppel in Basic #12. We shall see.
You have claimed, but provided no reason to back up you're claim.
I want you to give you're flavor so I can belive you. This doesn't help teh scum, because they already know if you're lying or not (if you're scum, they know you're lying, and if they town, they know you're probbably telling hte truth)
Listen. I want to trust you, so please flavor claim. I don't see why you aren't doing this.
Listen. I have a theory that could condemn you and S_A as scumbuddies. I WILL pursue this into Day 3 no matter what happens at night. Please flavor claim so I can resolve this.
Wait what? One of the parun might be scum was a trap and a lie?
Maybe. Look. I've already stated that I think you're scum. Should I really be giving out information about possible tricks/traps to scum?
Anyway, a parun is a guild leader am I correct? Momir Vig was the leader of the Simic Combine.
If you had time to search the Ravnica novels, you would have had time to search up what a Parun is. Please do so so that I can see your sudden expression of shock.
You have claimed, but provided no reason to back up you're claim.
I want you to give you're flavor so I can belive you. This doesn't help teh scum, because they already know if you're lying or not (if you're scum, they know you're lying, and if they town, they know you're probbably telling hte truth)
Listen. I want to trust you, so please flavor claim. I don't see why you aren't doing this.
Simple. First, it blocks off a certain false-claim for the scum. As well, I have seen cop gambits as town - who's to say that's not occurring?
Listen. I have a theory that could condemn you and S_A as scumbuddies. I WILL pursue this into Day 3 no matter what happens at night. Please flavor claim so I can resolve this.
If you can convince people to vote for me, I will claim the rest of my role. One person does not a case make.
Besides, I thought you believed S_A's claim of town RB?
Maybe. Look. I've already stated that I think you're scum. Should I really be giving out information about possible tricks/traps to scum?
If you had time to search the Ravnica novels, you would have had time to search up what a Parun is. Please do so so that I can see your sudden expression of shock.
Okay so I was wrong about a parun, a parun is the original leader but some leader of guilds are the paruns so I was confused. No reason to be rude.
Also about the trap, what do you gain from it? What do you gain from knowing what "parun" I think is scum? You probably won't answer me because you won't tell anything to "scum".
You saying "it will catch the scum in a falseclaim" is rediculous. I have a plan that I can use to catch other false-claiming scum. If you role-claim and I see you're legit this will be disproved. If you with-hold the role-claim I have a serious case against you, and I don't want to "distract the town" right now when we're lynching Lucknorris. Please comply.
First... Not lurking, reading. It takes a while to read ~100 posts. Second, unvote. That's why I should read the thread before posting/voting. Third, Sorry for not being active for the past few days. I've been sick, and it is just takes me a bit to become more active in games I replace into. Anyway, here are my first reads on people. Cyouni is town, joboman is town, and I doubt lucknoris is town. I'm not too sold on SA being scum. I'll have a more substantial post tomorrow, sorry.
cheese and rice..... I leave for a few hours and are double role cops are at each others throats like to hobo's over a bottle of wine. straighten up and knock your ☺☺☺☺ off.
@cyouni, really dude I'm not sure how much flavor you want out of joboman. My flavor was only a paragraph, 5 sentences max. you paraphrase it and you have 4. I'm good with his claim.
@joboman, if cyouni doesn't want to full claim he doesn't have to. He's not at L-2 there is no reason for him to claim. Quite frankly cyouni has gone out of his way to scum hunt, he is not scum. If you to want to lynch each other you might as well just modkill yourself and save the town 2 days of lynches. stop.
@lucknorris, dude I know that your new to this but you have to include yourself, it is better to chase the wrong cat up a tree and genuinely scum hunt than sit in the shadows and leave little post's that are not helpful at all. Day 3 you'll get lynched if you keep that up.
gentlemen we have to find a lynch. so far this is where I'm at with the players.
joboman=town, paranoid as ☺☺☺☺, but town
cyouni= town
ravus= town, early game convinced me pretty hardy that he is.
wamyc= town, were the hell are you?
AK= leaning town, didn't jump on the easy lynch bandwagon (me)
sir auron= nuetral, claim helped the status but could be scum RB
AE= nuetral, no real lead
Luck= nuetral, to many newb mistakes to make town.
gigas1= nuetral, lurker...weak scum case but all i got.
I'm at a lost, nobody screams lynch me. If I was on a lynch vote either sir auron or gigas1 also, unvote.
straighten up gentlemen before this all falls apart
Alright, to review all those things that have happened in the last few days and many pages since I’ve last been here (not counting last night, obviously), forgive me if I don’t quote every little thing—there’s much too much to quote, so I’m just going to post some cliff-notes with my opinions. Here we go:
joboman’s post immediately following mine is pretty terrible, and much has since happened, so I won’t bother to address most of it, but there is one thing…
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Do you think clayton is scum?
This isn’t a matter of whether I believe you or clayton, it’s who I am more suspicious of. For the time being, I have reason to distrust the both of you, but as of late, you’d been drawing more attention. Given the circumstances, if you wind up being scum, I would then have reason to believe (though not necessarily full proof that) clayton is not scum, as you’d been going after him (which is what you mean by this quote, is it not?). However, if you wind up town, the opposite would be inferred. Your asking a blatant question worded such that there would be no wiggle room for me had I answered in a simple “yes” or “no” leads me further down the path of not believing you to be anything but scum. You might have caught a less keen observer.
Then we have Cyouni expounding upon how bad said post was, followed by joboman’s terrible defense (how exactly did you justify calling every little point he’d made as “mod-gaming”… surely you would have tried harder than that if you truly believed he had been mistaken?). But of note, before joboman made that post, Archmage was able to sneak in there and draw some more attention back to Lucknorris, clayton and the like, and for that we can thankfully attribute the following three-to-four page witch-hunt that I’m getting to…
Then we have this:
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Hmm...I don't know...It couldn't be because I know there's a cop, right? Right?
Seriously. Do I need to spell it out? I like the subtlety, here. I also sort of dislike that such a role would out themselves so early, but I guess if you’ve caught scum in the process, it’s almost worthwhile?
clayton makes a post and votes for joboman, given the obvious reasons to do so, and joboman’s response is to lash out again, despite clayton having given a legitimate reason to place his vote. For the record, not everyone who votes for a person after the initial vote on said person is guilty of bandwagoning. Sometimes, however difficult it might be to believe, these votes are legitimate.
Cyouni gets an idea to verify the roles of three people, but before we get that elaboration on it, we have this:
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Well, right know I am pretty neutral on my decision, but I think Joboman is acting the most scummy here, but I am not sure if he is scum. I say this because of the guild claim incident, and also because of his obvious fishing and modding. So for now, I don't have a reason to vote, but I'll throw out a FOS: joboman even though it probably isn't worth much now.
After all that’s been happening, that’s what you’ve got? I’m inclined to believe the two are scum-buddies, and Luck is trying to both somehow lessen suspicion of joboman while simultaneously distance himself.
Cyouni and Archmage make note of clayton backing out of his suspicion of Auron.
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no... DON'T USE YOU'RE ABILITY
Invincible Double Cop > Nightkill This catches my interest, which is still aimed at joboman. Just making a personal note.
Out of nowhere joboman believes clayton to be town, which seems to only happen when the largest amount of pressure is off him, as if he was only suspicious of clayton as a means of deflection…
Auron claims Grand Arbiter Augustin, as a roleblocker… seems plausible, if just as plausible for scum… at least, the roleblocking part combined with his actions… But before too much thought can be put into that matter, we’ve got Lucknorris making a target of himself, by voting-for-the-sake-of-voting and further acting shady.
Then for a split second I show up… and there’s still more for me to cover. You know, I think I’m actually going to stop there, for now, as I’ll have to in about five minutes anyway (I rely on library internet, and they close for at for lunch), and this is an easy enough place for me to start back up from.
More coming soon!
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I apologize for any difficulty in reading my above post.
It would have helped if you re-posted the information, with working font tags. The font-tag problem really seems to be common these days.
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I like the subtlety, here. I also sort of dislike that such a role would out themselves so early, but I guess if you’ve caught scum in the process, it’s almost worthwhile?
I'm still doubtful that there's a cop and a role-cop (+ability copier) in the same game.
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@cyouni, really dude I'm not sure how much flavor you want out of joboman. My flavor was only a paragraph, 5 sentences max. you paraphrase it and you have 4. I'm good with his claim.
He essentially gave 2: He's collecting abilities to build Kraj, and the chaos of the Guildpact's destruction will interfere. That's nowhere near as much flavour as I see Sir Auron, you and I got. The lack of flavour makes me suspicious.
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You saying "it will catch the scum in a falseclaim" is rediculous. I have a plan that I can use to catch other false-claiming scum. If you role-claim and I see you're legit this will be disproved. If you with-hold the role-claim I have a serious case against you, and I don't want to "distract the town" right now when we're lynching Lucknorris. Please comply.
No. If you can actually build a case, do so. Don't just talk about it. Let's see it.
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Okay so I was wrong about a parun, a parun is the original leader but some leader of guilds are the paruns so I was confused. No reason to be rude.
Probable parun right here.
You encounter an unfamiliar term, and the first thing you do is to assume what it is? Not to mention the fact that you used the wiki to search for the plot of Dissension, and not use it to search for what a Parun is. In essence, you were merely searching for a way to sling mud at joboman.
The sentence I used implied that a Parun being scum would narrow down the number of people a bit, yet you automatically assume that it refers to guild leaders? If we're not all guild leaders, I'd be really surprised, given the flavour.
Also about the trap, what do you gain from it? What do you gain from knowing what "parun" I think is scum? You probably won't answer me because you won't tell anything to "scum".
It lured you out, didn't it? It wasn't to know what parun you thought was scum...it was to test and gauge reactions. And you leaped at the opportunity.
My argument is the following (and YES, this is modgaming)
In a specialty game such as this, it makes sense to have wierd roles, like clayton's and mine. But then you claim. and so does S_A. Both of you're claims are things that could easily be in a basic game, which seems strange after roles such as mine and clayton's.
You also have refused to role-claim, when you have no reason not to except that you could counter-claim, which is a stupid argument because if you counter-claim we have no actual reason to believe you.
Here's why scum like to be cop. They know who is town. They know who isn't. You could purposely say they're targeting innocent players, and then lie about the outcome.
I also find it hard to believe that the town would both have a cop and a role-cop. Unvote, Vote: Cyouni I don't want to spend too much time on this. Please just flavor claim dude.
You also have refused to role-claim, when you have no reason not to except that you could counter-claim, which is a stupid argument because if you counter-claim we have no actual reason to believe you.
Incorrect. You have every reason to believe me. Think, will you? Let's say a scum counterclaims a town cop. When the town cop is lynched, what happens to the scum? See where this is going?
Here's why scum like to be cop. They know who is town. They know who isn't. You could purposely say they're targeting innocent players, and then lie about the outcome.
Cop is one of the more common scum false-claims. Yet without knowing my scum meta (which may change all the time), can you honestly say that I would do this as scum?
I also find it hard to believe that the town would both have a cop and a role-cop. Unvote, Vote: Cyouni I don't want to spend too much time on this. Please just flavor claim dude.
Yet in this case, what good would flavour do on that argument? Nothing, in fact, as the whole argument is based on mechanics. This leads me to believe that this is a bad attempt at eliminating a false-claim from the list of possible false-claims - the only one who would want to do this is scum.
I'm also starting to wonder if you're lying about your role. Your claim would, in essence, be able to verify my role and add another cop to the equation. Yet you seem oddly unable to notice that fact. That would be the first thing you'd think of in a game - how the role would interact with others. In fact, you did do so earlier. Now, when it becomes convenient to you, you begin to ignore that fact. There is no pro-town explanation for this.
I cannot dismiss the possibility that joboman may be a neutral of some sort. The missing flavour is odd. Out of Auron's paragraph (paraphrased), clayton's paragraph, and mine, I cannot accept the fact that a part, especially one of Momir Vig, a guildmaster and a major character, can only have two lines worth of flavour.
Incorrect. You have every reason to believe me. Think, will you? Let's say a scum counterclaims a town cop. When the town cop is lynched, what happens to the scum? See where this is going?
Cop is one of the more common scum false-claims. Yet without knowing my scum meta (which may change all the time), can you honestly say that I would do this as scum?
Yet in this case, what good would flavour do on that argument? Nothing, in fact, as the whole argument is based on mechanics. This leads me to believe that this is a bad attempt at eliminating a false-claim from the list of possible false-claims - the only one who would want to do this is scum.
I'm also starting to wonder if you're lying about your role. Your claim would, in essence, be able to verify my role and add another cop to the equation. Yet you seem oddly unable to notice that fact. That would be the first thing you'd think of in a game - how the role would interact with others. In fact, you did do so earlier. Now, when it becomes convenient to you, you begin to ignore that fact. There is no pro-town explanation for this.
I cannot dismiss the possibility that joboman may be a neutral of some sort. The missing flavour is odd. Out of Auron's paragraph (paraphrased), clayton's paragraph, and mine, I cannot accept the fact that a part, especially one of Momir Vig, a guildmaster and a major character, can only have two lines worth of flavour.
I thought you would say that. The reason that i'm trying to get you're flavor today is that I will most likely die tonight. Also, you could just be a vanilla scum that wants me not to get a power. You cop-claimed under no pressure, which is scummy.
I also don't like how you didn't even answer my biggest argument. Why are you making such a big deal about you're flavor? Seriously, if you're town you wouldn't want to distract the town this much with this whole thing and you'd just make things simple and claim.
I have no reason to give my flavour, and you have no reason to actually need it.
Note how you're the one aping out over how I haven't given my flavour. I have no pressure on me. You are oddly missing parts of your flavour, and have acted scummy previously. Oh, and it was a counterclaim. You even admitted it yourself about how you thought it was unlikely that there was a Rolecop and a Cop in the same game.
And if I were scum, then why, pray tell, would I compose a plan that would result in my lynch?
I have no reason to give my flavour, and you have no reason to actually need it.
Actually I do, or I wouldn't be spending the effort trying to get it.
Note how you're the one aping out over how I haven't given my flavour. I have no pressure on me. You are oddly missing parts of your flavour, and have acted scummy previously. Oh, and it was a counterclaim. You even admitted it yourself about how you thought it was unlikely that there was a Rolecop and a Cop in the same game.
I'm "missing" parts of my flavor? Thats complete bull☺☺☺☺. You're argument is obviously loaded, either way I lose. Anything I say will not be able to dissuade you. You're argument is extremley bad and scummy. You're also mod-gaming HORRENDOUSLY here. My whole flavor can be summed up in 2 sentences, so can S_A's. He is the Azorious dude who can silence people in his senate which causes a roleblock. He needs the guildpack to survive because he will lose his power without order, or something like that.
And if I were scum, then why, pray tell, would I compose a plan that would result in my lynch?
Because:
1. Who would believe me if I said that you were lying, because I have been accused of scum much more than you have.
2. I'm going to get killed tonight. This will make it so that it doesn't matter my results, and I just wasted my ability if you are a vanilla mafia.
3. you won't neccecerily get lynched.
PLEASE ANSWER MY MAJOR ARGUMENT!
I'd like to call attention to the town how he is super hesistant to do this. I'd also like to call attention that last time he did this with his "plan" he told me after quite a long time, which he could have spent concocting the plan.
Right now I see it as him delaying, if he doesn't stop right now I will not use my ability at all. It is in the good of the town that he flavor claims as soon as he sees this.
And trust me, i'm not kidding. If you don't flavor claim immediatley I will not use my ability and I'll just die tonight. do you're reasons for not wanting to flavor claim outweigh this?
If you think that he should also flavor claim (because it won't hurt the town in any way, and it helps us verify him) then please say it, or vote him to show you're support.
And trust me, i'm not kidding. If you don't flavor claim immediatley I will not use my ability and I'll just die tonight. do you're reasons for not wanting to flavor claim outweigh this?
Well thats really townie of you. Whats the difference if you do use your power and just die tonight?
I don't see why you don't want to add flavor cyouni, you did in fact claim your role for no reason. Whats the problem here?
Put it aside. As town you'll understand that it doesn't matter to much. As long as town wins you win. You must pressure others to get reactions and if you get lynched in the meantime, so be it. It gives other townies something to go back and dissect. Being vocal and getting lynched is actually helpful. Sitting back in the shadows is not.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Okay, thank you for the tip.
My Mafia Stats - My Helpdesk
G Omnath, Locus of Mana U Arcum Dagsson BUG The Mimeoplasm GW Gaddock Teeg X Karn, Silver Golem
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
With what?
Well duh. But you as a player cant be burdened with the thought of getting lynched over everything you say.
They don't have to defend as much as they attack if no one is questioning them. And acting defensively will get you in hot water. Now defend yourself accordingly, thats something different.
I don't want to change the course of the game here and turn it into how to conduct yourself but I had to add this.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Can we lynch lucknorris, since I believe Sir_Auron's claim (for now) as long as I believe Cyouni's.
Cyouni please give you're flavor immediatley. We all have, and it would be most useful to the town if you do the same. This is important.
I think we should put lucknorris to L-2.
Unvote, Vote: Lucknorris.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
I believe that Ravnica is corrupt, and I can sense that there are traitors. It also says (waitaminute, I'll need to go over this later) that I am the only one capable of uncovering the truth, though the truth may not be, shall we say, well liked by some.
joboman, I'd really like you to expand on your flavour.
I'd also really like a watch on me tonight.
No, please give a full flavor claim. This is not enough. seriously....
I don't see what else to give, I need to collect abilities to perfect Kraj, and if the guildpact falls then there will be too much of a chaos to do that.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Mind if I ask why? Anyway, I've been sick for the past few days so I have a lot to get caught up on. I'm going to try to read most of the thread tonight, but for now I will Vote: Joboman because I remember him acting scummy.
You tell me that it's not enough, and yet you expect us to believe that what you provided is all you have? No.
Oh, and I just noticed that my PM hints that one of the Paruns is scum. That's from my character's perspective, however, so take it as you will.
I've given all i have... Seriously. I don't see why you think there's anything else to be added when its my flavor, wouldn't I be the one that knows?
Oh yeah, I'm a town biomancer. Thats the official name for my ability.
Cyouni, say yours. Do it now.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Like I said, that's all I'm saying. Just in case.
...it's actually pretty obvious, though, if you look at what I've said.
Wow thats not scummy at all. Not knowing whats going on and throwing a vote down like that.
Well, guess theres no chance of anyone claiming Paruns now is there? Should have kept that quiet.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
And if they try to avoid claiming a Parun, it'll be obvious. Look at the possible guilds and then think on it a bit. (I count 3-5 possibilities, all of which would be pretty obvious.) Then again, the information might be wrong. First, it's based on my character's opinion. Second, like another player in a game I've seen, I could be the Parun I'm referring to myself.
My Mafia Stats - My Helpdesk
G Omnath, Locus of Mana U Arcum Dagsson BUG The Mimeoplasm GW Gaddock Teeg X Karn, Silver Golem
LOL HOLY F'ING ☺☺☺☺ LOL.
THIS IS A SCUMMY POST. This is what we've been saying "oh scum would never do something as stupid as that."
Cyouni FULL FLAVOR CLAIM NOW.
You are not cleared. You're claim is not backed up in any way, and you are withholding information. Stop stalling and JUST FLAVOR CLAIM ALREADY. I'm pretty annoyed here.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Seriously. People vote him, get him to claim, and probably lynch him.
I see no reason to do so. It gains absolutely nothing. Plus, you do realize I'm under no pressure? As a result of your inane probing, I've lost valuable information to the scum.
This is beginning to get ridiculous. Fishing for information which would only be valuable to the scum. Refusal to claim more than the barest amount of information when there is quite obviously more. Your actions have been scummy in the past, and I let it slip because of the claim, much like Seppel in Basic #12. We shall see.
Wait what? One of the parun might be scum was a trap and a lie? Anyway, a parun is a guild leader am I correct? Momir Vig was the leader of the Simic Combine.
My Mafia Stats - My Helpdesk
G Omnath, Locus of Mana U Arcum Dagsson BUG The Mimeoplasm GW Gaddock Teeg X Karn, Silver Golem
You have claimed, but provided no reason to back up you're claim.
I want you to give you're flavor so I can belive you. This doesn't help teh scum, because they already know if you're lying or not (if you're scum, they know you're lying, and if they town, they know you're probbably telling hte truth)
Listen. I want to trust you, so please flavor claim. I don't see why you aren't doing this.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
If you had time to search the Ravnica novels, you would have had time to search up what a Parun is. Please do so so that I can see your sudden expression of shock.
Simple. First, it blocks off a certain false-claim for the scum. As well, I have seen cop gambits as town - who's to say that's not occurring?
If you can convince people to vote for me, I will claim the rest of my role. One person does not a case make.
Besides, I thought you believed S_A's claim of town RB?
Okay so I was wrong about a parun, a parun is the original leader but some leader of guilds are the paruns so I was confused. No reason to be rude.
Also about the trap, what do you gain from it? What do you gain from knowing what "parun" I think is scum? You probably won't answer me because you won't tell anything to "scum".
My Mafia Stats - My Helpdesk
G Omnath, Locus of Mana U Arcum Dagsson BUG The Mimeoplasm GW Gaddock Teeg X Karn, Silver Golem
My Mafia Stats - My Helpdesk
G Omnath, Locus of Mana U Arcum Dagsson BUG The Mimeoplasm GW Gaddock Teeg X Karn, Silver Golem
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
@cyouni, really dude I'm not sure how much flavor you want out of joboman. My flavor was only a paragraph, 5 sentences max. you paraphrase it and you have 4. I'm good with his claim.
@joboman, if cyouni doesn't want to full claim he doesn't have to. He's not at L-2 there is no reason for him to claim. Quite frankly cyouni has gone out of his way to scum hunt, he is not scum. If you to want to lynch each other you might as well just modkill yourself and save the town 2 days of lynches. stop.
@lucknorris, dude I know that your new to this but you have to include yourself, it is better to chase the wrong cat up a tree and genuinely scum hunt than sit in the shadows and leave little post's that are not helpful at all. Day 3 you'll get lynched if you keep that up.
gentlemen we have to find a lynch. so far this is where I'm at with the players.
joboman=town, paranoid as ☺☺☺☺, but town
cyouni= town
ravus= town, early game convinced me pretty hardy that he is.
wamyc= town, were the hell are you?
AK= leaning town, didn't jump on the easy lynch bandwagon (me)
sir auron= nuetral, claim helped the status but could be scum RB
AE= nuetral, no real lead
Luck= nuetral, to many newb mistakes to make town.
gigas1= nuetral, lurker...weak scum case but all i got.
I'm at a lost, nobody screams lynch me. If I was on a lynch vote either sir auron or gigas1 also, unvote.
straighten up gentlemen before this all falls apart
Thanks To KrackShott
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Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Why? May I get some reasons for this choice?
My Mafia Stats - My Helpdesk
G Omnath, Locus of Mana U Arcum Dagsson BUG The Mimeoplasm GW Gaddock Teeg X Karn, Silver Golem
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
joboman’s post immediately following mine is pretty terrible, and much has since happened, so I won’t bother to address most of it, but there is one thing…
This isn’t a matter of whether I believe you or clayton, it’s who I am more suspicious of. For the time being, I have reason to distrust the both of you, but as of late, you’d been drawing more attention. Given the circumstances, if you wind up being scum, I would then have reason to believe (though not necessarily full proof that) clayton is not scum, as you’d been going after him (which is what you mean by this quote, is it not?). However, if you wind up town, the opposite would be inferred. Your asking a blatant question worded such that there would be no wiggle room for me had I answered in a simple “yes” or “no” leads me further down the path of not believing you to be anything but scum. You might have caught a less keen observer.
Then we have Cyouni expounding upon how bad said post was, followed by joboman’s terrible defense (how exactly did you justify calling every little point he’d made as “mod-gaming”… surely you would have tried harder than that if you truly believed he had been mistaken?). But of note, before joboman made that post, Archmage was able to sneak in there and draw some more attention back to Lucknorris, clayton and the like, and for that we can thankfully attribute the following three-to-four page witch-hunt that I’m getting to…
Then we have this:
Seriously. Do I need to spell it out?
I like the subtlety, here. I also sort of dislike that such a role would out themselves so early, but I guess if you’ve caught scum in the process, it’s almost worthwhile?
clayton makes a post and votes for joboman, given the obvious reasons to do so, and joboman’s response is to lash out again, despite clayton having given a legitimate reason to place his vote. For the record, not everyone who votes for a person after the initial vote on said person is guilty of bandwagoning. Sometimes, however difficult it might be to believe, these votes are legitimate.
Cyouni gets an idea to verify the roles of three people, but before we get that elaboration on it, we have this:
After all that’s been happening, that’s what you’ve got? I’m inclined to believe the two are scum-buddies, and Luck is trying to both somehow lessen suspicion of joboman while simultaneously distance himself.
Cyouni and Archmage make note of clayton backing out of his suspicion of Auron.
Invincible Double Cop > Nightkill
This catches my interest, which is still aimed at joboman. Just making a personal note.
Out of nowhere joboman believes clayton to be town, which seems to only happen when the largest amount of pressure is off him, as if he was only suspicious of clayton as a means of deflection…
Auron claims Grand Arbiter Augustin, as a roleblocker… seems plausible, if just as plausible for scum… at least, the roleblocking part combined with his actions… But before too much thought can be put into that matter, we’ve got Lucknorris making a target of himself, by voting-for-the-sake-of-voting and further acting shady.
Then for a split second I show up… and there’s still more for me to cover. You know, I think I’m actually going to stop there, for now, as I’ll have to in about five minutes anyway (I rely on library internet, and they close for at for lunch), and this is an easy enough place for me to start back up from.
More coming soon!
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
It would have helped if you re-posted the information, with working font tags. The font-tag problem really seems to be common these days.
I'm still doubtful that there's a cop and a role-cop (+ability copier) in the same game.
He essentially gave 2: He's collecting abilities to build Kraj, and the chaos of the Guildpact's destruction will interfere. That's nowhere near as much flavour as I see Sir Auron, you and I got. The lack of flavour makes me suspicious.
No. If you can actually build a case, do so. Don't just talk about it. Let's see it.
Probable parun right here.
You encounter an unfamiliar term, and the first thing you do is to assume what it is? Not to mention the fact that you used the wiki to search for the plot of Dissension, and not use it to search for what a Parun is. In essence, you were merely searching for a way to sling mud at joboman.
The sentence I used implied that a Parun being scum would narrow down the number of people a bit, yet you automatically assume that it refers to guild leaders? If we're not all guild leaders, I'd be really surprised, given the flavour.
It lured you out, didn't it? It wasn't to know what parun you thought was scum...it was to test and gauge reactions. And you leaped at the opportunity.
In a specialty game such as this, it makes sense to have wierd roles, like clayton's and mine. But then you claim. and so does S_A. Both of you're claims are things that could easily be in a basic game, which seems strange after roles such as mine and clayton's.
You also have refused to role-claim, when you have no reason not to except that you could counter-claim, which is a stupid argument because if you counter-claim we have no actual reason to believe you.
Here's why scum like to be cop. They know who is town. They know who isn't. You could purposely say they're targeting innocent players, and then lie about the outcome.
I also find it hard to believe that the town would both have a cop and a role-cop. Unvote, Vote: Cyouni I don't want to spend too much time on this. Please just flavor claim dude.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Cop is one of the more common scum false-claims. Yet without knowing my scum meta (which may change all the time), can you honestly say that I would do this as scum?
Yet in this case, what good would flavour do on that argument? Nothing, in fact, as the whole argument is based on mechanics. This leads me to believe that this is a bad attempt at eliminating a false-claim from the list of possible false-claims - the only one who would want to do this is scum.
I'm also starting to wonder if you're lying about your role. Your claim would, in essence, be able to verify my role and add another cop to the equation. Yet you seem oddly unable to notice that fact. That would be the first thing you'd think of in a game - how the role would interact with others. In fact, you did do so earlier. Now, when it becomes convenient to you, you begin to ignore that fact. There is no pro-town explanation for this.
I cannot dismiss the possibility that joboman may be a neutral of some sort. The missing flavour is odd. Out of Auron's paragraph (paraphrased), clayton's paragraph, and mine, I cannot accept the fact that a part, especially one of Momir Vig, a guildmaster and a major character, can only have two lines worth of flavour.
I thought you would say that. The reason that i'm trying to get you're flavor today is that I will most likely die tonight. Also, you could just be a vanilla scum that wants me not to get a power. You cop-claimed under no pressure, which is scummy.
I also don't like how you didn't even answer my biggest argument. Why are you making such a big deal about you're flavor? Seriously, if you're town you wouldn't want to distract the town this much with this whole thing and you'd just make things simple and claim.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Note how you're the one aping out over how I haven't given my flavour. I have no pressure on me. You are oddly missing parts of your flavour, and have acted scummy previously. Oh, and it was a counterclaim. You even admitted it yourself about how you thought it was unlikely that there was a Rolecop and a Cop in the same game.
And if I were scum, then why, pray tell, would I compose a plan that would result in my lynch?
Hmm, where have we heard this before?
Waiting on posts from the lagging behinds.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Actually I do, or I wouldn't be spending the effort trying to get it.
I'm "missing" parts of my flavor? Thats complete bull☺☺☺☺. You're argument is obviously loaded, either way I lose. Anything I say will not be able to dissuade you. You're argument is extremley bad and scummy. You're also mod-gaming HORRENDOUSLY here. My whole flavor can be summed up in 2 sentences, so can S_A's. He is the Azorious dude who can silence people in his senate which causes a roleblock. He needs the guildpack to survive because he will lose his power without order, or something like that.
Because:
1. Who would believe me if I said that you were lying, because I have been accused of scum much more than you have.
2. I'm going to get killed tonight. This will make it so that it doesn't matter my results, and I just wasted my ability if you are a vanilla mafia.
3. you won't neccecerily get lynched.
PLEASE ANSWER MY MAJOR ARGUMENT!
I'd like to call attention to the town how he is super hesistant to do this. I'd also like to call attention that last time he did this with his "plan" he told me after quite a long time, which he could have spent concocting the plan.
Right now I see it as him delaying, if he doesn't stop right now I will not use my ability at all. It is in the good of the town that he flavor claims as soon as he sees this.
And trust me, i'm not kidding. If you don't flavor claim immediatley I will not use my ability and I'll just die tonight. do you're reasons for not wanting to flavor claim outweigh this?
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
If you think that he should also flavor claim (because it won't hurt the town in any way, and it helps us verify him) then please say it, or vote him to show you're support.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Well thats really townie of you. Whats the difference if you do use your power and just die tonight?
I don't see why you don't want to add flavor cyouni, you did in fact claim your role for no reason. Whats the problem here?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
If I do use my ability tonight, I have a system thought up of how to tell a player what happened kinda... i'll explain more later if I need to.
The longer Cyouni has to claim, the more role stuff he can make up (maybe.)
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
I gotta hear this, even if its in postgame. Your counting on SA being town and not scum?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Nope. You'll hear this the sooner Cyouni claims
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)