Given some particular wording in my role PM, the flavor of my role itself, and that clarification by Loran, I am very confident that if I'm dead I will actually have an ability; whereas being alive, I am vanilla.
Typically the player killed in the beginning of the game has been killed by mafia not SK. Regardless, your role sounds like you could have just tweaked it a bit and added in the wins with town clause. Just the feeling I get.
Except for the fact that no player in this game or group physically killed Bilbro. The game flavor killed him from the outset.
This game looks like its gonna be awesome. * Zionite cackles maniacally.
I get that feeling too, but I'd rather not lynch people based on speculation of roles powering up.
Ditto on all three counts.
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I am hesitant with day killing cyan.... I just feel like we are moving to fast and that Bill should listen to the majority of the rest of this before killing Cyan or some one else. That being said I am alright with Cyan being killed.
Cyan should be killed vote count.... DV, Skander, Cyan, Zionite,
I am hesitant with day killing cyan.... I just feel like we are moving to fast and that Bill should listen to the majority of the rest of this before killing Cyan or some one else. That being said I am alright with Cyan being killed.
Cyan should be killed vote count.... DV, Skander, Cyan, Zionite,
I am hesitant with day killing cyan.... I just feel like we are moving to fast and that Bill should listen to the majority of the rest of this before killing Cyan or some one else. That being said I am alright with Cyan being killed.
Cyan should be killed vote count.... DV, Skander, Cyan, Zionite,
I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I am just saying that I want a majority of us to agree with this before we do this, because I have a bad feeling about this. I agree with it, I just have this feeling that we should agree with it before it happens.
I mean why should anyone be killed. I know Cyan claims to gain abilities, but how do we know that he isn't A) a jester(don't game the mod and say well he said crap), B) he is a neutral with some sort of ability that needs him to be dead to fulfill his WC maybe not a jester but something else, C) A scum that knows that he will benefit from being dead.
Actually now that I think about it I want to be off the Kill Cyan list.
I want a name claim from Cyan before we kill him.
Cyan should be killed vote count.... Skander, Cyan, Zionite,
If he is telling the truth then there is no way Bilbo is a SK, considering he can just kill whenever he wants and just come back from the dead forever. It would be broken.
That said, in what way do we know that Cyan is not scum who will gain an ability when dead. I am against killing anyone just to get them dead.
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EBWOP: Then again, if he is scum, keeping him alive doesn't make sense either :Psyduck:. So either way, we should vote: Cyan. This is a win win situation.
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Your responses read much more like you're scum, assuming that I'm being truthful, and don't want to see it happen. Especially now that you've 'changed your mind', even though you said you agreed at the start of the post.
I am just saying that I want a majority of us to agree with this before we do this, because I have a bad feeling about this. I agree with it, I just have this feeling that we should agree with it before it happens.
I mean why should anyone be killed. I know Cyan claims to gain abilities, but how do we know that he isn't A) a jester(don't game the mod and say well he said crap), B) he is a neutral with some sort of ability that needs him to be dead to fulfill his WC maybe not a jester but something else, C) A scum that knows that he will benefit from being dead.
Actually now that I think about it I want to be off the Kill Cyan list.
I want a name claim from Cyan before we kill him.
Cyan should be killed vote count.... Skander, Cyan, Zionite,
No, really. You confuse me.
Anyway,
A) Not happening. Whatever you say.
B + C) No way to really know but I doubt it. Think of it this way, if a scum is more powerful dead than alive something is wrong in the setup. Town shoul be rewarded for correctly killing mafia, not punished.
EBWOP: Then again, if he is scum, keeping him alive doesn't make sense either :Psyduck:. So either way, we should vote: Cyan. This is a win win situation.
Your responses read much more like you're scum, assuming that I'm being truthful, and don't want to see it happen. Especially now that you've 'changed your mind', even though you said you agreed at the start of the post.
Heh. Didn't even notice that part.
First post: First disagrees with it and then says he's fine with it.
Second post: First he's fine with it but then disagrees with it.
I gave my view earlier. I think it is too soon to off Cyan just because he asks us too. I would like to wait a little bit and gather more info on people before we just go willy-nilly killing everyone that asks to be killed.
Also I am a little concerned at the speed this day is going at...
I gave my view earlier. I think it is too soon to off Cyan just because he asks us too. I would like to wait a little bit and gather more info on people before we just go willy-nilly killing everyone that asks to be killed.
Also I am a little concerned at the speed this day is going at...
How is Cyan dying not a good idea?
New plan: If bilbo is daykilled, we pressure guardman.
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New plan: If bilbo is daykilled, we pressure guardman.
And how is rushing into the unknown a good idea. I am not saying we don't kill him I say we wait until we are at least in the midday of day 1 instead of just three hours into it, and then decide.
And isn't that plan pretty much the same plan you have in every game we play together?
And how is rushing into the unknown a good idea. I am not saying we don't kill him I say we wait until we are at least in the midday of day 1 instead of just three hours into it, and then decide.
And isn't that plan pretty much the same plan you have in every game we play together?
Fear mongering or genuine annoyance? It seems emotionless so I'm leaning toward fear mongering.
And how is rushing into the unknown a good idea. I am not saying we don't kill him I say we wait until we are at least in the midday of day 1 instead of just three hours into it, and then decide.
And isn't that plan pretty much the same plan you have in every game we play together?
No it is not what I do in every game we are together, but please feel free to try and discredit me as biased
Explain how killing Cyan now is not a good idea. You didn't answer that, you just dodged. If he is scum, he is dead. If he is town, he is more powerful and still talking. Also, it doesn't take away our lynch and we don't go down a player since Bilbo comes back. Yeah, it actually seems like an even better idea now.
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Explain how killing Cyan now is not a good idea. You didn't answer that, you just dodged. If he is scum, he is dead. If he is town, he is more powerful and still talking. Also, it doesn't take away our lynch and we don't go down a player since Bilbo comes back. Yeah, it actually seems like an even better idea now.
All I am saying is I want the game to slow down. I want to be better able to get a grasp on what is going on in this game before we do anything major like killing off Cyan. I mean not even everybody has posted.
All I am saying is I want the game to slow down. I want to be better able to get a grasp on what is going on in this game before we do anything major like killing off Cyan. I mean not even everybody has posted.
*ahem*
How is killing him now any different than killing him later? How is it not a good idea to do it now? I for one think it's better to take care of early, especially with a deadline.
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All I am saying is I want the game to slow down. I want to be better able to get a grasp on what is going on in this game before we do anything major like killing off Cyan. I mean not even everybody has posted.
How is killing him now any different than killing him later? How is it not a good idea to do it now? I for one think it's better to take care of early, especially with a deadline.
Who is fearmongering now?
The deadline is Nov. 4th and we are three hours into this game. I don't really think we should be worrying about the deadline at this time.
As for not killing him now, well not everyone has posted and given their initial input. Plus we don't know if they have relevant info that is applicable for this situation. So yeah I think killing Cyan right now is a bad idea. Is it really to much to ask to at least wait until we have everyone's input on this?
Other than the fact that we know Cyan is a smart player and we have a killing ability that we aren't for sure of the alignment of the player and we do not know the ramifications of killing Cyan.
O yeah. If Cyan is Yusuke Urameshi, I would agree that he would gain abilities if he was killed. I would also agree that he is probably town because of his name claim. But I can't be for certain. I don't know that Anime story line that well.
The deadline is Nov. 4th and we are three hours into this game. I don't really think we should be worrying about the deadline at this time.
As for not killing him now, well not everyone has posted and given their initial input. Plus we don't know if they have relevant info that is applicable for this situation. So yeah I think killing Cyan right now is a bad idea. Is it really to much to ask to at least wait until we have everyone's input on this?
How am I fearmongering? Are you now just trying to throw every potential scum tell you can think of (trying to rush, fearmongering, etc) out in a scatter pattern to see what sticks? This seems very forced on your part, and very see-through.
You are also avoiding the facts. If Cyan is town, we lose nothing, probably gain something. If Cyan is scum, we definetly gain something. Why do we not go through with this?
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O yeah. If Cyan is Yusuke Urameshi, I would agree that he would gain abilities if he was killed. I would also agree that he is probably town because of his name claim. But I can't be for certain. I don't know that Anime story line that well.
So basically you have no idea.
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I am just saying that I want a majority of us to agree with this before we do this, because I have a bad feeling about this. I agree with it, I just have this feeling that we should agree with it before it happens.
I mean why should anyone be killed. I know Cyan claims to gain abilities, but how do we know that he isn't A) a jester(don't game the mod and say well he said crap), B) he is a neutral with some sort of ability that needs him to be dead to fulfill his WC maybe not a jester but something else, C) A scum that knows that he will benefit from being dead.
Actually now that I think about it I want to be off the Kill Cyan list.
I want a name claim from Cyan before we kill him.
Cyan should be killed vote count.... Skander, Cyan, Zionite,
The tone of Guardman's reaction feels more natural/consistent/townie.
You can't seem to keep your mind in order for any single post, let alone across multiple posts.
Like the one that you just made. First you say that you agree that I would gain abilities from being dead, and that I'm probably town because of my claim, but then you IMMEDIATELY disclaimer that by saying that you don't know the storyline that well.
@Zionite: A)He asked. B)It apparently meant something to DV
Also, if I only gained powers via being lynched, I wouldn't be pushing for Bilbrox to daykill me. I certainly can't be lynched AFTER being daykilled.
While he could gain power, we still can't risk keeping scummy players around because they might get moar powar. So likewise, we have no reason not to kill Cyan.
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How am I fearmongering? Are you now just trying to throw every potential scum tell you can think of (trying to rush, fearmongering, etc) out in a scatter pattern to see what sticks? This seems very forced on your part, and very see-through.
You are also avoiding the facts. If Cyan is town, we lose nothing, probably gain something. If Cyan is scum, we definetly gain something. Why do we not go through with this?
You are fearmongering by saying we have to do it right now or it will negatively impact us because we have a deadline!
I am advocating something called prudence.
Prudence
Pronunciation: \ˈprü-dən(t)s\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin prudentia, alteration of providentia — more at providence
Date: 14th century 1: the ability to govern and discipline oneself by the use of reason 2: sagacity or shrewdness in the management of affairs 3: skill and good judgment in the use of resources 4: caution or circumspection as to danger or risk
I am saying we wait until everyone comes in and gives us their input and such before we decide to kill Cyan. I fail to see how what I am suggesting is either fearmongering or a bad thing.
Well if you don't die soon I'll fix it for ya.
Except for the fact that no player in this game or group physically killed Bilbro. The game flavor killed him from the outset.
Ditto on all three counts.
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He was saying that he couldn't be the SK because that would mean he killed himself: I was pointing out this wasn't true.
I doubt that Bilbro wins with the town, most likely he has some kind of aberrant neutral WC.
I still hope he daykills me soon.
loran's mean.
for some reason, i don't feel any trepidation toward cyan.
Who do you think you are Seppel?
Random Mafia 2 Town MVP
'08 MTGS Fantasy Football Overall Champion
Best Non-SK Neutral Performance (Individual)
Agreed.
Why'd he have to leave when he was supposed to kill you?
I am hesitant with day killing cyan.... I just feel like we are moving to fast and that Bill should listen to the majority of the rest of this before killing Cyan or some one else. That being said I am alright with Cyan being killed.
Cyan should be killed vote count.... DV, Skander, Cyan, Zionite,
Thanks scum.
Unvote, Vote DV
Bilbrox can still daykill me though.
You confuse me.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
I mean why should anyone be killed. I know Cyan claims to gain abilities, but how do we know that he isn't A) a jester(don't game the mod and say well he said crap), B) he is a neutral with some sort of ability that needs him to be dead to fulfill his WC maybe not a jester but something else, C) A scum that knows that he will benefit from being dead.
Actually now that I think about it I want to be off the Kill Cyan list.
I want a name claim from Cyan before we kill him.
Cyan should be killed vote count.... Skander, Cyan, Zionite,
Unvote kpaca
Since the game is beginning to get serious.
That said, in what way do we know that Cyan is not scum who will gain an ability when dead. I am against killing anyone just to get them dead.
Vote DV
Is that all you have to say?
Your responses read much more like you're scum, assuming that I'm being truthful, and don't want to see it happen. Especially now that you've 'changed your mind', even though you said you agreed at the start of the post.
@Kpaca: Keep up son, I want to be daykilled now, and scum DV should be lynched afterwards.
No, really. You confuse me.
Anyway,
A) Not happening. Whatever you say.
B + C) No way to really know but I doubt it. Think of it this way, if a scum is more powerful dead than alive something is wrong in the setup. Town shoul be rewarded for correctly killing mafia, not punished.
No see, we daykill him.
Heh. Didn't even notice that part.
First post: First disagrees with it and then says he's fine with it.
Second post: First he's fine with it but then disagrees with it.
I gave my view earlier. I think it is too soon to off Cyan just because he asks us too. I would like to wait a little bit and gather more info on people before we just go willy-nilly killing everyone that asks to be killed.
Also I am a little concerned at the speed this day is going at...
How is Cyan dying not a good idea?
New plan: If bilbo is daykilled, we pressure guardman.
And how is rushing into the unknown a good idea. I am not saying we don't kill him I say we wait until we are at least in the midday of day 1 instead of just three hours into it, and then decide.
And isn't that plan pretty much the same plan you have in every game we play together?
I'm assuming it's not supposed to say bilbo there.
Fear mongering or genuine annoyance? It seems emotionless so I'm leaning toward fear mongering.
No it is not what I do in every game we are together, but please feel free to try and discredit me as biased
Explain how killing Cyan now is not a good idea. You didn't answer that, you just dodged. If he is scum, he is dead. If he is town, he is more powerful and still talking. Also, it doesn't take away our lynch and we don't go down a player since Bilbo comes back. Yeah, it actually seems like an even better idea now.
Yeah I meant that to read "If bilbo daykills"
Also, I agree at the beginning because I am mussing when I am writing these posts. Thinking out loud.
What are you talking about? Lay off the vodka.
All I am saying is I want the game to slow down. I want to be better able to get a grasp on what is going on in this game before we do anything major like killing off Cyan. I mean not even everybody has posted.
*ahem*
How is killing him now any different than killing him later? How is it not a good idea to do it now? I for one think it's better to take care of early, especially with a deadline.
B) I don't care about claiming.
I'm Yusuke Urameshi, from Yu Yu Hakusho.
There's not much reason to be afraid though.
Who is fearmongering now?
The deadline is Nov. 4th and we are three hours into this game. I don't really think we should be worrying about the deadline at this time.
As for not killing him now, well not everyone has posted and given their initial input. Plus we don't know if they have relevant info that is applicable for this situation. So yeah I think killing Cyan right now is a bad idea. Is it really to much to ask to at least wait until we have everyone's input on this?
I love to fish. And two, you crucify me for saying we are going to fast but when guardman says it you let it slide. What gives?
As I've said, chances are good that if he's scum he's better alive than dead.
How am I fearmongering? Are you now just trying to throw every potential scum tell you can think of (trying to rush, fearmongering, etc) out in a scatter pattern to see what sticks? This seems very forced on your part, and very see-through.
You are also avoiding the facts. If Cyan is town, we lose nothing, probably gain something. If Cyan is scum, we definetly gain something. Why do we not go through with this?
So basically you have no idea.
scummy.
as if a name means anything in a no flip game...
@kpaca: Cyan could always be scum who gains power for his team when we lynch him, so i'd be better to lynch him later rather than now.
@guardman: QQ moar.
Names flip according to loran.
a) weren't you for having Cyan dead?
b) it's not lynch it's daykill
From one of the first posts.
You can't seem to keep your mind in order for any single post, let alone across multiple posts.
Like the one that you just made. First you say that you agree that I would gain abilities from being dead, and that I'm probably town because of my claim, but then you IMMEDIATELY disclaimer that by saying that you don't know the storyline that well.
@Zionite: A)He asked. B)It apparently meant something to DV
Also, if I only gained powers via being lynched, I wouldn't be pushing for Bilbrox to daykill me. I certainly can't be lynched AFTER being daykilled.
I really dislike your last post.
You are fearmongering by saying we have to do it right now or it will negatively impact us because we have a deadline!
I am advocating something called prudence.
Prudence
Pronunciation: \ˈprü-dən(t)s\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin prudentia, alteration of providentia — more at providence
Date: 14th century
1 : the ability to govern and discipline oneself by the use of reason
2 : sagacity or shrewdness in the management of affairs
3 : skill and good judgment in the use of resources
4 : caution or circumspection as to danger or risk
I am saying we wait until everyone comes in and gives us their input and such before we decide to kill Cyan. I fail to see how what I am suggesting is either fearmongering or a bad thing.
@Zionite: QQ moar?