You summed up the entirety of the case against you as just being because you were condescending, and ignored the other facets. That is a strawman. By this you hoped to present the case as ridiculous and hope that it would all go away.
I brought up the only point of actual interest in the case against me. I provided reasons why I made all of my votes, and instead of getting an evaluation of my cases what has been delivered has been "ZOMG OMGUS, must be scum". That is hardly an objective analysis, and isn't terribly respectable.
Your attempt to discredit my vote has no merit. I'm going to let that goose go free.
Classy. No, don't bother to respond, that is your M.O. Just annoy the hell out of people and never give a direct answer and eventually they will stop asking, right?
I'll make an exception for you, Skander. You OMGUS me on the basis that I should have voted someone else for the same behavior you demonstrated. Let me ask you this. Was the behavior scummy and therefore deserving of a vote? Or was it acceptable? In either case would you care to defend it? Turning this around on me is cool for you, because I'm an easy distraction due to my abrasive attitude. It neither excuses or explains your behavior.
Furthermore, the agreement of an opportunist is far more severe than a snide suggestion of a frustrated player. Everyone's frustrated. Not everyone's trying to take advantage of that to rationalize a poorly thought out vote.
In fact, while I'm not exactly brimming in confidence with Phantom at the moment, unvote, vote AH. Phantom is participating enough for a read. AH isn't giving us much, but all he's giving us looks abysmal.
I'll make an exception for you, Skander. You OMGUS me on the basis that I should have voted someone else for the same behavior you demonstrated. Let me ask you this. Was the behavior scummy and therefore deserving of a vote? Or was it acceptable? In either case would you care to defend it? Turning this around on me is cool for you, because I'm an easy distraction due to my abrasive attitude. It neither excuses or explains your behavior.
The behaviour was fine. If you read my posts you would see that the first question I asked you was why you had a problem with it. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to defend against because you didn't provide any reason for why it was as scummy idea.
Furthermore, the agreement of an opportunist is far more severe than a snide suggestion of a frustrated player. Everyone's frustrated. Not everyone's trying to take advantage of that to rationalize a poorly thought out vote.
Err, what? I can't be rationalizing "a poorly thought out vote" with what I was saying, as I didn't vote in conjunction with the suggestion. I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest here.
Err, what? I can't be rationalizing "a poorly thought out vote" with what I was saying, as I didn't vote in conjunction with the suggestion. I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest here.
I'll quote you again.
Quote from Skander »
Az, I'm all for random-lynching from a group that displeases us. It seems we won't have a consensus otherwise.
This is taking the easy way out. Looking to give everyone a pass to stop thinking. Thats the poorly thought out vote. Should have said lynch for clairity.
I'll quote you again. This is taking the easy way out. Looking to give everyone a pass to stop thinking. Thats the poorly thought out vote. Should have said lynch for clairity.
That makes a little more sense, I obviously don't agree with you that it would be a bad move; it just gets rid of all the apathy and lets us move forward with this game.
Also, why is an Az a frustrated player when he suggests it but I'm an opportunist for agreeing?
I fail to see how it's a strawman. You're saying I attack folk what attacked me with a condescending tone. I was more than justified in picking apart the weak cases that have been built on me.
Except there's more to it than that, and in every situation you have -
You summed up the entirety of the case against you as just being because you were condescending, and ignored the other facets. That is a strawman. By this you hoped to present the case as ridiculous and hope that it would all go away.
done this. You have not "picked apart weak cases" you have 'defended' yourself with sarcasm.
I brought up the only point of actual interest in the case against me. I provided reasons why I made all of my votes, and instead of getting an evaluation of my cases what has been delivered has been "ZOMG OMGUS, must be scum". That is hardly an objective analysis, and isn't terribly respectable.
How many times does WoD get to do this before he becomes the suspect?
Deflection; no legitimate scum-hunting here, which is indicative of your entire game.
Abandon Hope- Shifty and odd language since beginning.
Wrath_of_Dog- Has been unusually succinct since start of game; not just since activity dropped. Anti-town behaviors aren't encouraging. Early post might indicate WoD and Netfinity connection. Votes are always quicky, snappy, and usually against targets that are confirmed or probable town.
Netfinity Cyan - Unsure; Netfinity used odd logic, Cyan's still starting out.
PhantomS - I can still buy this wagon.
Town-
Azrael - Natural
Charm_Master3125 Andelijah ZasZ234 - All three fairly natural.
ChrisXIV DYH - Chris natural, DYH normal.
Kraj kpaca - If he were scum, would he really replace out like he did? I doubt it. He's cooler than that.
Skander-Town.
Conclusion:
I'm content lynching Phantom for today. WoD and AH are now my favorites after that.
Of my town reads, I'm least sure of DYH and Charmandez at this point. Cyan is a no-read.
I'm not sold on the PhantomS case, still. His indignance seems genuine.
I think that WoD is a good direction to look. In one post, he says that Skander seems town to him, then his very next post on the matter is 'Vote Skander', with nothing even remotely resembling an explanation. Unvote, Vote WoD
I don't understand your line of thinking, Az. You made observations on the other people whom you find suspicious and the extent of what you said on me was "I buy this wagon" and that you're "content" with lynching me. Neither suggests that you feel very strongly about lynching me, yet there stands your vote.
I'm not sold on the PhantomS case, still. His indignance seems genuine.
I think that WoD is a good direction to look. In one post, he says that Skander seems town to him, then his very next post on the matter is 'Vote Skander', with nothing even remotely resembling an explanation. Unvote, Vote WoD
WOD is still pretty obviously town due to his claim in my opinion.
I'm not falling back, I just don't see any other real options at this point. I don't find you terribly scummy, but I do find you more likely to be scum than anyone else right now.
I believe you probably did honestly forget. However, Az being willing to vote for WOD raises red flags for me. Add him to my list after Skander.
Rethinking it, it's a play the scum could just as easily have made. A "legitimate" counter-claim of a townie, conceivably resulting in a senseless mislynch? That's a nice trick, if he can pull it.
I don't think WoD is the kind of player who worries overly much about fallout in response to his votes, so I see him as having the balls to try that as scum.
So, does PhantomS have me on ignore or is he intentionally avoiding me? I'm inclined to believe the latter.
The Abandon Hope wagon just feels too easy. All the pent-up frustration from a snail-paced day has slipped into "vote the annoying guy", while the likely scum is on the wagon for no good reason other than to "get things moving" and four others have piled on in six posts.
Note to thread: Abandon Hope hasn't even claimed yet and he's at L-1.
I know this day has sucked, but this wagon sucks even more. Can he at least claim before he gets strung up?
Why? Judging as it sits now, that's just CYA. Are you ready to push this into a lynch just to end this day?
I'm not sure what you mean by CYA, but yes if nobody was going to vote you then I'd fall back on PhantomS and end the day. You didn't respond to my last post btw.
I'm a little confused by what just happened tbh, I'm not sure where the sudden switch from PhantomS to AH came from but I'm happy with the result anyway. As DYH said, he has yet to claim though.
So, does PhantomS have me on ignore or is he intentionally avoiding me? I'm inclined to believe the latter.
The Abandon Hope wagon just feels too easy. All the pent-up frustration from a snail-paced day has slipped into "vote the annoying guy", while the likely scum is on the wagon for no good reason other than to "get things moving" and four others have piled on in six posts.
Note to thread: Abandon Hope hasn't even claimed yet and he's at L-1.
I know this day has sucked, but this wagon sucks even more. Can he at least claim before he gets strung up?
I don't have you on ignore, I've been reading your posts but frankly I don't see responding going anywhere. I have made it abundantly clear that I don't think you have a good case on me.
I'm not sure what you're confusion is. My first choice was AH, my next choice was you. If nobody else wanted to lynch AH then I was fine with lynching you.
Man, I slap a deadline on you and this thread comes to life. If this level of activity continues, I could be persuaded to rescind the deadline, but hopefully you will be able to reach a conclusion before that point.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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Rethinking it, it's a play the scum could just as easily have made. A "legitimate" counter-claim of a townie, conceivably resulting in a senseless mislynch? That's a nice trick, if he can pull it.
I don't think WoD is the kind of player who worries overly much about fallout in response to his votes, so I see him as having the balls to try that as scum.
It's more this game than anything... the level of activity is pissing me off, resulting in a lack of care.
Triple-posting because it deserves as much clarification as I can give it.
Here is the reason AH voted me:
Az was the one that suggested the idea that we pick a group of people and random lynch. I agreed. What does AH do? Unvotes Az, who was his target until now and votes me for agreeing with Az. Sorry, this makes zero sense.
Being that it was my screwup with the votecount, I'll take the heat and let this one slide. I simply entirely missed Skander's vote when it was cast, so we'll just let it fade into oblivion. AH is still alive and at -1.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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Well, that's a pleasant surprise. It would have been nice if AH had elaborated a bit while under presumption of lynch. Regardless, we still haven't heard the claim.
Being that it was my screwup with the votecount, I'll take the heat and let this one slide. I simply entirely missed Skander's vote when it was cast, so we'll just let it fade into oblivion. AH is still alive and at -1.
I think you're doing the right thing here.
My unvote should be fine then, which puts AH at 4 votes.
Abandon Hope- Shifty and odd language since beginning.
Wrath_of_Dog- Has been unusually succinct since start of game; not just since activity dropped. Anti-town behaviors aren't encouraging. Early post might indicate WoD and Netfinity connection. Votes are always quicky, snappy, and usually against targets that are confirmed or probable town.
Netfinity Cyan - Unsure; Netfinity used odd logic, Cyan's still starting out.
PhantomS - I can still buy this wagon.
Town-
Azrael - Natural
Charm_Master3125 Andelijah ZasZ234 - All three fairly natural.
ChrisXIV DYH - Chris natural, DYH normal.
Kraj kpaca - If he were scum, would he really replace out like he did? I doubt it. He's cooler than that.
Skander-Town.
Conclusion:
I'm content lynching Phantom for today. WoD and AH are now my favorites after that.
Of my town reads, I'm least sure of DYH and Charmandez at this point. Cyan is a no-read.
Rethinking it, it's a play the scum could just as easily have made. A "legitimate" counter-claim of a townie, conceivably resulting in a senseless mislynch? That's a nice trick, if he can pull it.
I don't think WoD is the kind of player who worries overly much about fallout in response to his votes, so I see him as having the balls to try that as scum.
WoD's recent activity is consistant with his town play. He just does stuff and it often doesn't appear to have much thought behind it. He plays in the moment.
My unvote should be fine then, which puts AH at 4 votes.
Feel free to claim anytime, AH.
No. Your votes are without basis. You just lynched me because too many people couldn't take the rational path and set their frustration with my play aside. It's a little funny. But I'm not going to claim because of a pile of votes for that reason.
Oh wait Cyan, you say that isn't why you voted me? Okay. But I didn't know that, and you didn't elaborate, and now I'm dead.
@Jerubbaal: I should be lynched. It's the fair play. I'd be rather upset right now if I were any flavor of scum.
I brought up the only point of actual interest in the case against me. I provided reasons why I made all of my votes, and instead of getting an evaluation of my cases what has been delivered has been "ZOMG OMGUS, must be scum". That is hardly an objective analysis, and isn't terribly respectable.
How many times does WoD get to do this before he becomes the suspect?
Classy. No, don't bother to respond, that is your M.O. Just annoy the hell out of people and never give a direct answer and eventually they will stop asking, right?
Agreed.
Furthermore, the agreement of an opportunist is far more severe than a snide suggestion of a frustrated player. Everyone's frustrated. Not everyone's trying to take advantage of that to rationalize a poorly thought out vote.
Let's roll with your pick, Skander.
The behaviour was fine. If you read my posts you would see that the first question I asked you was why you had a problem with it. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to defend against because you didn't provide any reason for why it was as scummy idea.
Err, what? I can't be rationalizing "a poorly thought out vote" with what I was saying, as I didn't vote in conjunction with the suggestion. I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest here.
I can see this vote changing a few more times rapidly.
That makes a little more sense, I obviously don't agree with you that it would be a bad move; it just gets rid of all the apathy and lets us move forward with this game.
Also, why is an Az a frustrated player when he suggests it but I'm an opportunist for agreeing?
Nice vote.
Except there's more to it than that, and in every situation you have -
done this. You have not "picked apart weak cases" you have 'defended' yourself with sarcasm.
Deflection; no legitimate scum-hunting here, which is indicative of your entire game.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
I was merely suggesting that WoD is a much better lynch than myself. I feel that AH is a better lynch than WoD though.
Abandon Hope- Shifty and odd language since beginning.
Wrath_of_Dog- Has been unusually succinct since start of game; not just since activity dropped. Anti-town behaviors aren't encouraging. Early post might indicate WoD and Netfinity connection. Votes are always quicky, snappy, and usually against targets that are confirmed or probable town.
Netfinity Cyan - Unsure; Netfinity used odd logic, Cyan's still starting out.
PhantomS - I can still buy this wagon.
Town-
Azrael - Natural
Charm_Master3125 Andelijah ZasZ234 - All three fairly natural.
ChrisXIV DYH - Chris natural, DYH normal.
Kraj kpaca - If he were scum, would he really replace out like he did? I doubt it. He's cooler than that.
Skander-Town.
Conclusion:
I'm content lynching Phantom for today. WoD and AH are now my favorites after that.
Of my town reads, I'm least sure of DYH and Charmandez at this point. Cyan is a no-read.
I think that WoD is a good direction to look. In one post, he says that Skander seems town to him, then his very next post on the matter is 'Vote Skander', with nothing even remotely resembling an explanation. Unvote, Vote WoD
I don't really see WoD as scum, just someone who wants the day to end. I do see the potential WIFOM here though.
Ouch...
What is the purpose of posts like these?
WOD is still pretty obviously town due to his claim in my opinion.
AH please. Then Skander.
This.
Vote AH then. I just don't see PhantomS as scum.
I love how I'm the default here. Where did that vote come from? It seems to me that you're falling back to position you didn't previously occupy.
Can it be lynching time now pls? If we've reached a consensus, finally?
Unvote; Vote: Abandon Hope
Rethinking it, it's a play the scum could just as easily have made. A "legitimate" counter-claim of a townie, conceivably resulting in a senseless mislynch? That's a nice trick, if he can pull it.
I don't think WoD is the kind of player who worries overly much about fallout in response to his votes, so I see him as having the balls to try that as scum.
The Abandon Hope wagon just feels too easy. All the pent-up frustration from a snail-paced day has slipped into "vote the annoying guy", while the likely scum is on the wagon for no good reason other than to "get things moving" and four others have piled on in six posts.
Note to thread: Abandon Hope hasn't even claimed yet and he's at L-1.
I know this day has sucked, but this wagon sucks even more. Can he at least claim before he gets strung up?
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
To lynch one of my two top suspects.
I'm not sure what you mean by CYA, but yes if nobody was going to vote you then I'd fall back on PhantomS and end the day. You didn't respond to my last post btw.
I'm a little confused by what just happened tbh, I'm not sure where the sudden switch from PhantomS to AH came from but I'm happy with the result anyway. As DYH said, he has yet to claim though.
I don't have you on ignore, I've been reading your posts but frankly I don't see responding going anywhere. I have made it abundantly clear that I don't think you have a good case on me.
By the by I wholly agree that AH should claim.
:blinks:
Your post was essentially "if the town wants ta do it lez do it."
That's not at all constructive and is buttering up the town at best.
Abandon Hope - 5 (PhantomS, WoD, Azrael, Cyan, Pale Mage)
Skander - 2 (kpaca, Abandon Hope)
PhantomS - 1 (DYH)
kpaca - 1 (ZasZ)
Not voting: Skander
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Man, I slap a deadline on you and this thread comes to life. If this level of activity continues, I could be persuaded to rescind the deadline, but hopefully you will be able to reach a conclusion before that point.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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I assume that the VC is just incorrect, in which case, can it be corrected please?
Ahhh, nevermind, Skander was never actually voting AH, and just unvoted for apparently no reason.
Anyway. Unvote to avoid an accidental lynch while we wait for AH to claim.
Just because I'm acting scummy doesn't mean I'm scum.
Or was that message directed at your scum-buddies?
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
I'm now writing for Eye of the Vortex, come check out MTG articles and other geek culture
I also moderate the MTG forum, so register (it's free) and voice your thoughts.
I think you're doing the right thing here.
My unvote should be fine then, which puts AH at 4 votes.
Feel free to claim anytime, AH.
WoD's recent activity is consistant with his town play. He just does stuff and it often doesn't appear to have much thought behind it. He plays in the moment.
Why?
Also, claim.
I knew someone was deleted off the list when I tried to C+P.
Oh wait Cyan, you say that isn't why you voted me? Okay. But I didn't know that, and you didn't elaborate, and now I'm dead.
@Jerubbaal: I should be lynched. It's the fair play. I'd be rather upset right now if I were any flavor of scum.