Because I believe scum are more likely to crack jokes when they are ahead in the race than town when they are behind. Also the joke has to do with a player returning who had been killed (and a player who is respected as town). Although I'm leaning town on him, his alignment is not relevant to the joke.
I don't follow the conversation between ZasZ and AH, either. Second the call for some clarification there.
Also would like to see a record of opinions on all the players from those who have not played the similey game. I don't care if you use smileys or not, but at least put your positions out there for all to see.
1. Abandon Hope - You guys already know my opinion on this one.
2. Azrael - Very hard to read, but that's not unusual. Don't like the way the Xyre lynch went, upon reflection.
3. Charm_Master3125 Andelijah ZasZ234 - A bit confuzzled with this one.
4. ChrisXIV DYH - Encouraging conversation, which is always good. Reasonably happy with this one.
5. Kraj kpaca - Not a fan.
6. Netfinity Cyan - Daykill Cyan.
7. PhantomS - Unconfirmed Mason buddy. A bit too new to properly read.
8. Skander - Seems reasonably townish
9. Toastboy Pale Mage
10. Wrath_of_Dog
3. Charm_Master3125 Andelijah ZasZ234 - Early town tell on Charm. Ande made a poor attack on Kraj (with odd timing as I remember) which is out of character for Ande regardless of his affiliation. Zas is poking around in typical Zas fashion. Town or neutral depending on =supersecretspeculation=.
4. ChrisXIV DYH - Townish enough. No strong itches, anyway.
5. Kraj kpaca - Probably town.
6. Netfinity Cyan - Didn't like some Netfinity stuff. Don't like some of Cyan's posts (style). Investigate.
7. PhantomS - Jumped a little too high when my mod-gaming named him specifically. Didn't jump at all that I recall when I started that line of thinking. Leaning scum.
8. Skander - Post or perish. My gut tells me Cyan v. you ain't a town fight.
Charm and Andelijah sucked = smiledown, Zas reads not suck = smileup. I say not suck because my playstyle doesn't involve labeling somebody with much conviction as town.
4. ChrisXIV DYH
Fishing-digging. What I see from DYH is trying to force a very, very bad case on me. Throwing out a line and hoping that I'll bite.
5. Kraj kpaca
I meant to do the pirate for skander... I don't know why I did it for kpaca to be entirely honest. I held my suspicions over kraj, but kpaca hasn't done anything to raise any suspicion from me.
6. Netfinity Cyan :o:confused:
Fuzzy here. No strong inclination.
7. PhantomS
Apparently I'm suspicious to some peeps, and that is lame.
8. Skander :apirate::smiledown:
Skander is erratic and opportunistic. I don't care for his play.
9. Toastboy Pale Mage
Leaning more on the scummy side here. I haven't read anything that seemed especially town from this pair.
I'm not a fan of the AH wagon. Reading over his posts, nothing stands out to me as particularly scummy, and alot of his sarcastic dismissal has a strong 'annoyed town' feel, to me.
Of course, the fact that Kpaca is spearheading this is also a point against the wagon, to me. I was suspicious of Kraj when he had to bail, and Kpaca has done nothing to alleviate that.
This is interesting. As I recall, Xyre and Kpaca were mason partners. Sadly I don't think this tells us anything about our other mason pairs. I'm going to do a bit of rereading, but am unsure what to do with my vote as of now.
Sounds like a filler post. 'Sadly' seems a little forced.
As far as I can discern suspicions of me stem solely from inactivity. Not a whole lot I can do about previous inactivity, but I'll try to be more active in the future.
I think the case on Abandon Hope is rather weak. What I see from AH is a very apathetic player, which I actually advocate as a townie mindset- townie not pro-town mind you. While he's not helping the town it's pretty clear that he isn't looking to impress anybody.
I will now elaborate on my earlier comment about mason pairs. I was hoping that a dead set of masons would shed some light as to the alignment of my mason partner, but with xyre and kpaca both coming up town I don't feel any more confidant in WoD's alignment one way or the other. I very much doubt that all masons are town, but more thinking along this line is merely gaming the mod at this juncture. If xyre was scum and kpaca town then the idea that masons were 1:1 scum:town would be viable, if not yet worthy of pursuit. Considering the lack of any useful conclusion perhaps I shouldn't have said anything, but frankly I didn't have anything else to say. :shrugs:
I find it peculiar that DYH accused me of having "an aversion to posting an opinion". That's just misleading loaded language. On what basis can one say that I have such an aversion?
If your attack had merit we wouldn't be in this boat.
I'm not used to games that involve so much replacement, so I have been getting a bit mixed up on that, but here are a few thoughts I have:
Skander has been very erratic. I'm moderately suspicious of him, even if I agree with his actions they have been very obtuse.
I have a gut feeling that either Kraj or Az are scum based on their interactions. Can't really elaborate too much on this, but you asked for a list.
I'm definitely suspicious of you for so adamantly pursuing me based on exaggeration and fabrication, but I don't know if it has matured to the point of pursuing you myself yet. Definitely getting there.
That's about where I stand.
You got a scum list beyond your jabs at me?
Most of his responses to DYH are OK but in this one I really don't like his last couple of lines where he basically threatens to go after his attacker.
@ Skander and Kraj- Just what would I stand to gain if this were not simply me misspeaking?
And all the evidence you needed to vote was for me to state either/or instead of and/or like I meant?
Sounds to me like you're just looking for a wagon what you think might move. vote: Skander
FoS: Kraj pending him answering the above question.
Votes and FoS the two people attacking him. Combined with the above point about threatening DYH, it seems as if he just fires back at anyone attacking him.
I also don't like the fact that he gives Kraj an out if he answers the question but not myself. What's the difference.
It's really cute that you think you know what I did better than I do. You get to keep my vote.
What you have there are two premises that don't necessarily lead to one conclusion. You only think it goes one way because you're using chumyness as a synonym for scum-buddiness while ignoring the context entirely.
I get the idea that they feel some inclination to lynch the other, which could mean one, the other or both are scum.
Also, now it seems like your argument is that I have a scum-buddy theory and that is scummy... I don't get it big Dan.
I already answered that. I posted it when I thought I hadn't posted the word either and merely the word "or".
See, X or Y is true when both X and Y are true.
Get it now, champ?
Wow. DYH pointed out the loaded language earlier but I didn't realize how bad it was until now. The points that he made were valid but he uses way too many condescending words to make them.
It appears that Kraj doesn't plan on posting further, and I believe that will lead to his modkill, yes? I would like to know the resolution to that before I post further.
As I pointed out before he has no interest in reading Kraj, he just wants to know if the mod will do the job for him.
Your contention is that of four people I'm the only one who could even possibly be scum? The only group that has anywhere near that level of certainty about alignment are scum themselves. I find this suggestion to be absurd. FoS: Pale Mage
Again, attacks someone who's attacking him. This is the fourth player he's attacked this way.
Well, gaming the mod has much to do with establishing your initial premise, so that is already some level of absurdity. There is also the possibility of additional masons, but of course that would be entirely speculation, not saying that what you're saying isn't... A "good-ish" town read hardly qualifies a person as town.
I can't imagine anybody would take my opinion on who is more scummy of WoD or myself terribly seriously, so I'll spare that point.
I'm finding AH's retroactive "Xyre lynch were ba" case to be odd at best after a slight gloss-over the past couple pages. Once again the replacement of Kraj throws me some. I think a bit more pressure on AH sounds appropriate, if nothing else to get this game moving some.
unvote, vote: abandon hope
Oppurtunistic vote on AH, in the name of pressure. Even worse is that it doesn't jive with his previous stance on AH which was that his apathy was a town tell.
Abandon Hope is frustrating. There is no content in essentially any of abandon hope's posts, but whether or not this is the work of scum or just bad town is a maddening debacle. I think pressure is more than appropriate though, especially considering the stagnant nature of this game.
See above.
Overall, way too much OMGUSing, combined with loaded language, and a reversal on AH makes me fun with a vote.
Vote PhantomS
I find it humorous that you completely missed the point on me giving kraj an out to the question and voting you. You know what the difference was? The players performing the action. Kind of big.
Saying I have no interest in reading kraj is also inconsistent. Either the answer to the question I posed to him was relevant or it wasn't. Not a very compelling argument on your part.
The points that he made were valid but he uses way too many condescending words to make them.
How does being condescending make him either A.) scum or B.) make it so we shouldn't but any sort of clout in his points. I mean, Cyan can be condescending. Az can be condescending. I like to be condescending sometimes. Watch this:
Herf derf that was a terrible attempt at discrediting on your part derf.
unvote: Vote Skander.
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Are you two having the same conversation? I'm having difficulty following this.
Yes.
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Your post started with a reply to the second answer. Please reply to the question you skipped: "If you didn't disagree with the wagon against Kraj, then why would you vote Azrael over Kraj?"
Ok, I'll be obvious. Because I found Az more deserving of a vote. The disagreement would be: I disagree that Kraj/Kpaca should be our priority. But I'm Unvote: Azraeling in light of this:
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Az, I'm all for random-lynching from a group that displeases us. It seems we won't have a consensus otherwise.
It's you. Vote: Skander. Also, I can't believe that led to that.
I didn't realize that people would misinterpert that as a scummclaim. But it doesn't make a difference, I meant what I said. I'm sick if this game. I feel bad about semi-punting it for whoever's town but I think they were screwed anyway.
Fine, don't believe me. As I said I don't really care. Whatever makes lynching me easier for you to swallow. It sucks that the first time I get lynched is a crappy one though.
I can't even believe there's a wagon on me. The reasons are crap. There's a huge difference between being condescending because that's what you do and being condescending because you're under attack. That's just a way of making your points look more important than they are. It's kind of like using sarcasm to strengthen an argument.
I didn't even realize that AH was voting me for entirely a different reason. First of all, what the hell was the problem with what I said? Second of all you've made a huge scum error. Your target was Az and then you unvoted him to vote me for agreeing with something Az came up with? That doesn't follow. You just were looking for a nice reason to get on me and you came up with one.
Seriously, if no one can see that AH's vote doesn't make any sense, I will cry.
And then we have WoD, who didn't provide any reasons for his vote.
Yes.Ok, I'll be obvious. Because I found Az more deserving of a vote. The disagreement would be: I disagree that Kraj/Kpaca should be our priority. But I'm Unvote: Azraeling in light of this:It's you. Vote: Skander. Also, I can't believe that led to that.
Az was the one that suggested the idea that we pick a group of people and random lynch. I agreed. What does AH do? Unvotes Az, who was his target until now and votes me for agreeing with Az. Sorry, this makes zero sense.
Actually, I agree with you. I think that all of Kpaca, AH, and WoD's votes are terrible, for different reasons.
Your frustration etcetera seem genuine. Maybe I was wrong, I dunno.
Mostly, I don't feel like this wagon is justified anymore because people were scummier towards you than you were scummy to begin with.
Unvote
I'm not sure that AH is the right place to look, though. I like Kpaca better, still. He's just gone after any wagon he could since he placed in. Vote Kpaca
No. No, no, no, no, no. So close to you guys finally getting it right, and now you're all over the place again.
Look, PhantomS is scum. I pointed it out, Skander went back and pointed it out again; look at his charged responses to anyone who's even looked his way. More importantly, he's made no attempt to do any scum hunting. Have you forgotten his first post today? The one where he offers no opinion on anything? It was telling then, it's still telling now. Then when he finally drops a vote today it's on AH to "get the game moving". How uninspired and scummy.
As for the Skander wagon, he read genuinely frustrated to me; Kpaca and AH come out of that exchange looking worse for it.
No. No, no, no, no, no. So close to you guys finally getting it right, and now you're all over the place again.
Look, PhantomS is scum. I pointed it out, Skander went back and pointed it out again; look at his charged responses to anyone who's even looked his way. More importantly, he's made no attempt to do any scum hunting. Have you forgotten his first post today? The one where he offers no opinion on anything? It was telling then, it's still telling now. Then when he finally drops a vote today it's on AH to "get the game moving". How uninspired and scummy.
As for the Skander wagon, he read genuinely frustrated to me; Kpaca and AH come out of that exchange looking worse for it.
An example of one bad post is reason enough to say I have done nothing to scum hunt? That's adorable. Last I heard inductive reasoning doesn't carry a lot of water.
I agree that the post that skander made to start the wagon was suspicious but I will also second that skander appears to be frustrated town at this juncture. Furthermore, Skander offers a VERY good reason in support of the place where my vote is already posted, and there it shall remain. I can see where WoD's vote was scummy, but could somebody elaborate to me on why kpaca's was?
Activity levels are moderate, there are a couple of people that are going to get prodded this evening if they don't post. I'm setting a deadline to keep this moving, as we've definitely passed the month mark for day 2 as well.
The deadline will be October 16, which is next Friday, so you've got some time, but if a majority has not been reached by then, it will be a no lynch.
Edit: fixed, must have had that screwed up in the last one too, sorry
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As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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Activity levels are moderate, there are a couple of people that are going to get prodded this evening if they don't post. I'm setting a deadline to keep this moving, as we've definitely passed the month mark for day 2 as well.
The deadline will be October 16, which is next Friday, so you've got some time, but if a majority has not been reached by then, it will be a no lynch.
Well, I suppose that that would mean I'm at L2. You already have my claim, so the question is whether you think I'm worthy of a lynch for being condescending. I think the answer is obvious.
Been sick (it might be H1N1, I'll keep you guys up dated as my health develops), plus trying to balance a few other games. I'll hopefully catch up tonight or tomorrow. Really sorry guys
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Well, I suppose that that would mean I'm at L2. You already have my claim, so the question is whether you think I'm worthy of a lynch for being condescending. I think the answer is obvious.
Well, I suppose that that would mean I'm at L2. You already have my claim, so the question is whether you think I'm worthy of a lynch for being condescending. I think the answer is obvious.
Well actually I'm not currently voting you (Jerub must have missed my switch to AH) but I am perfectly content to if nobody will vote AH. I'm pretty confused that the only person that agrees with my point against AH is the person I want lynched after AH.
Well actually I'm not currently voting you (Jerub must have missed my switch to AH) but I am perfectly content to if nobody will vote AH. I'm pretty confused that the only person that agrees with my point against AH is the person I want lynched after AH.
Also, nice strawman.
I fail to see how it's a strawman. You're saying I attack folk what attacked me with a condescending tone. I was more than justified in picking apart the weak cases that have been built on me.
I fail to see how it's a strawman. You're saying I attack folk what attacked me with a condescending tone. I was more than justified in picking apart the weak cases that have been built on me.
You summed up the entirety of the case against you as just being because you were condescending, and ignored the other facets. That is a strawman. By this you hoped to present the case as ridiculous and hope that it would all go away.
Ok. I get the first part but not the second.
Also would like to see a record of opinions on all the players from those who have not played the similey game. I don't care if you use smileys or not, but at least put your positions out there for all to see.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
2. Azrael - Very hard to read, but that's not unusual. Don't like the way the Xyre lynch went, upon reflection.
3. Charm_Master3125 Andelijah ZasZ234 - A bit confuzzled with this one.
4. ChrisXIV DYH - Encouraging conversation, which is always good. Reasonably happy with this one.
5. Kraj kpaca - Not a fan.
6. Netfinity Cyan - Daykill Cyan.
7. PhantomS - Unconfirmed Mason buddy. A bit too new to properly read.
8. Skander - Seems reasonably townish
9. Toastboy Pale Mage
10. Wrath_of_Dog
Go.
Unhelpful != scum?
I propose that one of the scum step forward and volunteer to be lynched.
Or we could just random lynch from a set of targets who displease us.
2. Azrael - ...is Az. Probably town.
3. Charm_Master3125 Andelijah ZasZ234 - Early town tell on Charm. Ande made a poor attack on Kraj (with odd timing as I remember) which is out of character for Ande regardless of his affiliation. Zas is poking around in typical Zas fashion. Town or neutral depending on =supersecretspeculation=.
4. ChrisXIV DYH - Townish enough. No strong itches, anyway.
5. Kraj kpaca - Probably town.
6. Netfinity Cyan - Didn't like some Netfinity stuff. Don't like some of Cyan's posts (style). Investigate.
7. PhantomS - Jumped a little too high when my mod-gaming named him specifically. Didn't jump at all that I recall when I started that line of thinking. Leaning scum.
8. Skander - Post or perish. My gut tells me Cyan v. you ain't a town fight.
9. Toastboy Pale Mage - Me.
10. Wrath_of_Dog - Meh. He's dog. Probably town.
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Vote: PhantomS
Abandon Hope is useless, and that is frustrating, as I have said.
Azrael, if nothing else, is entertaining me. I still think he and/or Kraj is scum, but I don't really have anything to make a strong case on this.
Charm and Andelijah sucked = smiledown, Zas reads not suck = smileup. I say not suck because my playstyle doesn't involve labeling somebody with much conviction as town.
Fishing-digging. What I see from DYH is trying to force a very, very bad case on me. Throwing out a line and hoping that I'll bite.
I meant to do the pirate for skander... I don't know why I did it for kpaca to be entirely honest. I held my suspicions over kraj, but kpaca hasn't done anything to raise any suspicion from me.
Fuzzy here. No strong inclination.
Apparently I'm suspicious to some peeps, and that is lame.
Skander is erratic and opportunistic. I don't care for his play.
Leaning more on the scummy side here. I haven't read anything that seemed especially town from this pair.
Mostly I'd like to hear more from WoD.
PhantomS, why is erratic a scum-tell?
Az, I'm all for random-lynching from a group that displeases us. It seems we won't have a consensus otherwise.
At your most active this game that is a true statement. Sometimes I think that's your goal, which is a problem.
How about driving? I'd love to see this game moving at a level of your choosing.
Of course, the fact that Kpaca is spearheading this is also a point against the wagon, to me. I was suspicious of Kraj when he had to bail, and Kpaca has done nothing to alleviate that.
I don't normally drive but I can try to move my posting up a bit, if that makes you happy. Maybe I'll have a look at PhantomS again.
Really?
For starters this point was brought up earlier...
Being erratic is a scum tell because you are giving off the impression that you really don't care who we lynch.
Sounds like a filler post. 'Sadly' seems a little forced.
Bear his stance on AH in mind for later.
Most of his responses to DYH are OK but in this one I really don't like his last couple of lines where he basically threatens to go after his attacker.
Votes and FoS the two people attacking him. Combined with the above point about threatening DYH, it seems as if he just fires back at anyone attacking him.
I also don't like the fact that he gives Kraj an out if he answers the question but not myself. What's the difference.
Wow. DYH pointed out the loaded language earlier but I didn't realize how bad it was until now. The points that he made were valid but he uses way too many condescending words to make them.
As I pointed out before he has no interest in reading Kraj, he just wants to know if the mod will do the job for him.
Again, attacks someone who's attacking him. This is the fourth player he's attacked this way.
Oppurtunistic vote on AH, in the name of pressure. Even worse is that it doesn't jive with his previous stance on AH which was that his apathy was a town tell.
See above.
Overall, way too much OMGUSing, combined with loaded language, and a reversal on AH makes me fun with a vote.
Vote PhantomS
I find it humorous that you completely missed the point on me giving kraj an out to the question and voting you. You know what the difference was? The players performing the action. Kind of big.
Saying I have no interest in reading kraj is also inconsistent. Either the answer to the question I posed to him was relevant or it wasn't. Not a very compelling argument on your part.
How does being condescending make him either A.) scum or B.) make it so we shouldn't but any sort of clout in his points. I mean, Cyan can be condescending. Az can be condescending. I like to be condescending sometimes. Watch this:
Herf derf that was a terrible attempt at discrediting on your part derf.
unvote: Vote Skander.
Unvote, Vote Skander
That's a pretty big turnaround from 30 posts ago when you said he 'seems reasonably townish'.
Kpaca's vote kind of stinks too.
Hmm.
Yup.
Claim is irrelevant, Skander still looks like scum to me.
At least I learned some stuff from this game.
Seems like you decided not to give up, and are just trying to make up answers now.
I didn't even realize that AH was voting me for entirely a different reason. First of all, what the hell was the problem with what I said? Second of all you've made a huge scum error. Your target was Az and then you unvoted him to vote me for agreeing with something Az came up with? That doesn't follow. You just were looking for a nice reason to get on me and you came up with one.
Seriously, if no one can see that AH's vote doesn't make any sense, I will cry.
And then we have WoD, who didn't provide any reasons for his vote.
Seriously people, crappy reasons.
I almost don't want to be lynched now.
Here is the reason AH voted me:
Az was the one that suggested the idea that we pick a group of people and random lynch. I agreed. What does AH do? Unvotes Az, who was his target until now and votes me for agreeing with Az. Sorry, this makes zero sense.
Unvote, Vote AH
Your frustration etcetera seem genuine. Maybe I was wrong, I dunno.
Mostly, I don't feel like this wagon is justified anymore because people were scummier towards you than you were scummy to begin with.
Unvote
I'm not sure that AH is the right place to look, though. I like Kpaca better, still. He's just gone after any wagon he could since he placed in. Vote Kpaca
Look, PhantomS is scum. I pointed it out, Skander went back and pointed it out again; look at his charged responses to anyone who's even looked his way. More importantly, he's made no attempt to do any scum hunting. Have you forgotten his first post today? The one where he offers no opinion on anything? It was telling then, it's still telling now. Then when he finally drops a vote today it's on AH to "get the game moving". How uninspired and scummy.
As for the Skander wagon, he read genuinely frustrated to me; Kpaca and AH come out of that exchange looking worse for it.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
An example of one bad post is reason enough to say I have done nothing to scum hunt? That's adorable. Last I heard inductive reasoning doesn't carry a lot of water.
I agree that the post that skander made to start the wagon was suspicious but I will also second that skander appears to be frustrated town at this juncture. Furthermore, Skander offers a VERY good reason in support of the place where my vote is already posted, and there it shall remain. I can see where WoD's vote was scummy, but could somebody elaborate to me on why kpaca's was?
PhantomS - 4 (DYH, Azrael, Skander, Pale Mage)
Skander - 3 (kpaca, Abandon Hope, WoD)
kpaca - 1 (ZasZ)
Abandon Hope - 1 (PhantomS)
Not voting: Cyan
With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Activity levels are moderate, there are a couple of people that are going to get prodded this evening if they don't post. I'm setting a deadline to keep this moving, as we've definitely passed the month mark for day 2 as well.
The deadline will be October 16, which is next Friday, so you've got some time, but if a majority has not been reached by then, it will be a no lynch.
Edit: fixed, must have had that screwed up in the last one too, sorry
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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Actually I should be voting PhantomS as of #832.
That's where I want it.
This.
"I dare you to lynch me."
No problemo.
Well actually I'm not currently voting you (Jerub must have missed my switch to AH) but I am perfectly content to if nobody will vote AH. I'm pretty confused that the only person that agrees with my point against AH is the person I want lynched after AH.
Also, nice strawman.
I fail to see how it's a strawman. You're saying I attack folk what attacked me with a condescending tone. I was more than justified in picking apart the weak cases that have been built on me.
You summed up the entirety of the case against you as just being because you were condescending, and ignored the other facets. That is a strawman. By this you hoped to present the case as ridiculous and hope that it would all go away.
Unvote, Vote PhantomS.
I didn't actually have much hope that you would respond to me.