So bilbroxain, I'm assuming you plan on not at all explaining why you don't think YodaVader is completely scummy, even though Seppel asked? I suppose you don't plan on saying why you think I'm scum either? I suppose you really don't plan on doing anything other than making vague comments and giving people passes for being rusty, am I correct?
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So bilbroxain, I'm assuming you plan on not at all explaining why you don't think YodaVader is completely scummy, even though Seppel asked? I suppose you don't plan on saying why you think I'm scum either? I suppose you really don't plan on doing anything other than making vague comments and giving people passes for being rusty, am I correct?
1) Uh, I stated that while I wasn't completely convinced, we also did have a better target, Sk. 2) Not until I have a better case on you, sorry. 3) Maybe when you stop making vague comments.
@Bil: Please let me explain on Day 2.
@ZDS: Scum. Now you're already telling us you'll build a case on me. Your number 7 is a big red light. Townies would have already made a case.
@MMoD: I think you're a slimy bastard. But not enough of a slimy bastard to vote on.
@Yodavader: STOP MAKING SENSE!
@The rest of you: I think Key and ZDS are in this together.
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1) Uh, I stated that while I wasn't completely convinced, we also did have a better target, Sk. 2) Not until I have a better case on you, sorry. 3) Maybe when you stop making vague comments.
In summary: No. you are not correct.
1.) WHY ARE YOU NOT CONVINCED. There, maybe if it's in caps, you can explain.
2.) So then you think I'm scum for no reason? How is it at all pro-town to harbor suspicions against me and not allow me to respond? I find this to be quite scummy, and if you are town, how can you really be garnering a true opinion of you do not make accusations?
3.) So you are then making vague comments because in you opinion I am? This doesn't compute.
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1.) WHY ARE YOU NOT CONVINCED. There, maybe if it's in caps, you can explain.
2.) So then you think I'm scum for no reason? How is it at all pro-town to harbor suspicions against me and not allow me to respond? I find this to be quite scummy, and if you are town, how can you really be garnering a true opinion of you do not make accusations?
3.) So you are then making vague comments because in you opinion I am? This doesn't compute.
1)I didn't say I wasn't convinced, I'm sure he's scum, but I'm more sure that SK is scum. Am I getting through to you now? 2) Pot, Kettle, Black, much? 3) What I was attempting there was a subtle way of saying "pot, kettle, black". Obviously, Subtlites don't work with you.
Sorry to be a pest, but could we get a votecount, mod?
I'm on top of this anyway (just woke up). But in the future, asking me to post another vote count less than 24 hours after the last one probably wont do anything. I'm keeping up with the game and I'm seeing when I need to post vote counts. If I haven't posted one and the last one was less than 24 hours ago, its because I haven't checked the site at all.
@mod - I apologize for being a pest, but I was curious about the dragyn_mage vote. It was, in no means, meant as a criticism.
Plus dragyn_mage has two votes? Weird.
Anyways, I'm fine hammering whenever. If anyone has anything they feel compelled to say something before night, get it out. Unless someone asks me not to, I'll hammer tomorrow evening sometime.
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As neutral - none
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1)I didn't say I wasn't convinced, I'm sure he's scum, but I'm more sure that SK is scum. Am I getting through to you now? 2) Pot, Kettle, Black, much? 3) What I was attempting there was a subtle way of saying "pot, kettle, black". Obviously, Subtlites don't work with you.
No i understand the subtle remarks, it's just that where as I normally actually do things and just don't talk about them till the right moment, you really just post a whole lot of hollow jive :cool:.
As to 1)., which is the only satisfactory answer for me, I understand that now, but before you posted that you were only 80% sure, but didn't give any reasons.
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Not Voting: WoD, Infinis, jerubbaal, cpe, yodavader, MTG_Junkie
I'm on top of this anyway (just woke up). But in the future, asking me to post another vote count less than 24 hours after the last one probably wont do anything. I'm keeping up with the game and I'm seeing when I need to post vote counts. If I haven't posted one and the last one was less than 24 hours ago, its because I haven't checked the site at all.
I think you made some errors. Please don't strike me down for questioning the all mighty Mod.
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As neutral - none
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But seriously, I try and make the vote counts accurate. I rushed that one out so you guys would know that dragyn_mage has 12 votes on him. If there's ever an error in the vote count just keep mentioning them and I'll clear them up.
@mod - I apologize for being a pest, but I was curious about the dragyn_mage vote. It was, in no means, meant as a criticism.
I wasn't saying you were a pest. I thought you were asking for a vote count because dragyn_mage is close to lynch, and I was saying that I was going to post one anyway. And the only time a vote count request will do anything is if there has been at least 48 hours or so since the last vote count.
I see it as Day and Night vig being weird. I still stand firm on WoD making a bad play in killing Cyan over a petty reason.
"Weird" is not impossible. For the record, going after SK on behavioral grounds is fair game. Going after him solely based on role and/or counter name-claim is rubbish.
I don't like this line. I'll tell people why Day 2.
I'd like to know now.
For the last time, he offered details. I'm asking for that reason alone. Pale Mage, are you in on this with MMoD?
...and I don't want to hear them. I'd rather not dump role info in the thread that doesn't need to be there. Zero benefit.
For example, if Key meant "Hey, I'm the Piper, and I'm a vig" then he can just keep his mouth shut and shoot SK. (I don't think he meant that, but let's cover the possibility). If he meant no more than "SK just claimed my rolename", then we have all we need to know on the matter. The rest of Key's role has no bearing on the matter. Why do you need to know just because he offered?
I'm just looking at his claim logically. He's not going to claim one-shot vig and think he's not going to get called on to prove it. So he's going to have to come up with a kill from somewhere. That indicates either what PM called a "tough guy" which I have never played with and which I understand to have a daykill anyway, so it'd be hard for him to explain that one away, or the SK. I think the latter is more likely, especially having played with Shad as mafia lately.
Very doubtful SK is the SK. His reactions to my asking about faking the single kill strike me as genuine. If he's scum (possible), he ain't a serial killer.
I'm still against this wagon. We're losing an opportunity to use SK's claimed kill to our own benefit.
The cacophony of shouting rises and falls. Voices burst forth accusing one, a few, several. Some say "end it." Some say "no wait, I ain't jokin' I've got to ramble." Then many point at dragyn_mage and shout "Him." Dragyn_mage stops, looks around, and starts drummin' like crazy. The sickest drum solo you've ever heard. People are like "Hella yeah, that rocks." But WoD starts to bend over in pain. Then someone shouts "NO, he's using the power of his awesome drum solo to kill WoD, stop him. 13 people jump dragyn_mage and beat the crap out of him with his own toms.
dragyn_mage was John Bonham
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The denizens of Led Zeppelin land all return from a pleasant rest. Proud of their work from the day before. But there, lying on the ground, were Disrupt Your Hymn, a guitar string tied around his neck and MTG_Junkie, his ears bleeding. Someone spoke and said "Lyin' cheatin hurtin' that's all you seem to do." Someone else shouted, "Yeah, we'll get you guys, the rest of you. Your time is gonna come!"
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Amusingly, other than MTGJ, Seppel's about the only one who's post counter-claim behavior was abominable. There's a lot of lousy posting about that point, but Seppel's actually the only one who flat out refuses to deal with the counter-claim and go chasing another suspect.
Zindabad gives me bad feelings, but that's mainly a gut read from his gloating post sounding rather contrived.
FoS: Pale Mage - you're smarter than wanting to let a counter-claimed scum (even one with a usually confirmable role) go to night on day 1.
I can't decide if MMoD's frustration is townie frustration of scummy frustration. Leaning scum, but I'm fence sitting right now.
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As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
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Nothing in my PM says anything about other Pipers. Also, I'm not sure where the cult leader talk came from. Why would I claim a killing role, if I was a cult leader? I'm really getting annoyed with the people who keep saying that my reaction to WoD's daykill doesn't fit with a vig. I'm not sure why anyone seems to think a SK would care who a dayvig kills as long as its not them. I saw someone with a more powerful version of my role waste it and got pissed. End of story.
FTR, ignore all the flotsam floating around the thread about cults. All of it is useless trash speculation. We have a counterclaimed scum, day 1, lynch him.
I actually think that, before we lynch (if we haven't hit it already), we need to think about the dragyn_mage thing. Being that we actually want to lynch Shadow Knight, I'm trying
Unvote, Vote: dragyn_mage
Sorry to be a pest, but could we get a votecount, mod?
I know that people are saying SK used to be dragyn_mage, but I honestly don't know what that means in the context of the game. Does dragyn_mage vote with SK, because SK doesn't have his own vote up there anywhere? I apologize if we already had this conversation and I skimmed over it, but I don't recall it.
FTR, there is so much trash floating around in the thread right now it's ridiculous. Focus on the issues at hand, which are the counter-claim and the dragyn_mage thing. Until that happens, there is no logical reason that we should even think about lynching someone else.
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1) Uh, I stated that while I wasn't completely convinced, we also did have a better target, Sk. 2) Not until I have a better case on you, sorry. 3) Maybe when you stop making vague comments.
Amusingly, other than MTGJ, Seppel's about the only one who's post counter-claim behavior was abominable. There's a lot of lousy posting about that point, but Seppel's actually the only one who flat out refuses to deal with the counter-claim and go chasing another suspect.
Zindabad gives me bad feelings, but that's mainly a gut read from his gloating post sounding rather contrived.
FoS: Pale Mage - you're smarter than wanting to let a counter-claimed scum (even one with a usually confirmable role) go to night on day 1.
I can't decide if MMoD's frustration is townie frustration of scummy frustration. Leaning scum, but I'm fence sitting right now.
Yeah, that was my bad. I was about to post a really giant "STOP THIS LYNCH" but then I realized I was too late.
It completely bewilders me why Shadow Knight would make a false claim like that. Rolenames must have some sway in alignment. Does anyone with more knowledge of Led Zeppelin have any input on that?
BTW, awesome kill, Mafia. You just bought us a hell of a lot of time.
Yeah, that was my bad. I was about to post a really giant "STOP THIS LYNCH" but then I realized I was too late.
It completely bewilders me why Shadow Knight would make a false claim like that. Rolenames must have some sway in alignment. Does anyone with more knowledge of Led Zeppelin have any input on that?
BTW, awesome kill, Mafia. You just bought us a hell of a lot of time.
Vote MMoD, He's still scum.
in other news, why the hell did Dragyn_mage False claim. i was dead wrong there. i though that he, as well as WoD were all the piper, ala big brother, but alas, this is a normal game. points to a scum team of jimmy, john paul, robert and John, where had SK not been caught in the counter claim, and dead musicians start turning up, his claim may get iffy. so yes. strange play regardless.
MTGJ? really, how'd that save us time, curisoity sake.
Well at first I thought he was a serial killer (meaning the mafia killed him), but then I realized with all his cult blabbering that he mught have been a cult leader (lol).
So it's likely we've been blessed with a vigilante. Anyone want to claim?
And what, might I ask, makes you think that I am scum?
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Vote: KeeperofZion
Very scummy post.
Care to explain how that post of mine is scummy? Is it because of fencesitting?
Quote from Seppel »
Keeperofzion for fencesitting on an issue that needed no fencesitting ("Is WoD a good guy for being able to daykill, or is he not because of dk'ing a townie?")
Well, i'm already on one side. And i believe that was established when I said that i think WoD is town.
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And now the ridiculous claim. Shadow is town. The same thing happened in
UnrealCity, and nobody believed his claim there.
Now this post is scummy to me. Here, you're so certain that he is town, and are defending him and trying to convince others that he is town. But after his lynching and was revealed that he is not town, this makes you a scumbuddie, imo. vote creampuffeater
That's all you got? A vote on CPE? I defended Shadow also, don't forget.
Don't forget the way CPE defended shadow. The way he said it, he was certain about Shadow being town, and he used a past mafia game to convince others. But now that Shadow is proven to be scum, don't you think that it is sensible for me to believe that he is as well?
And by the way, you haven't answered my question yet.
Don't forget the way CPE defended shadow. The way he said it, he was certain about Shadow being town, and he used a past mafia game to convince others. But now that Shadow is proven to be scum, don't you think that it is sensible for me to believe that he is as well?
No, I don't. I was about to do the same as well and try to stop the lynch and you don't even bat an eye in my direction for that.
Because what caught my attention is how CPE did it. Why did you also want to stop the lynch?
I felt Shadow was acting just as bad as he normally does, even in the face of a counterclaim. I didn't think much of it at the time, since it was a role counterclaim, but regardless, it was awesome and it 100% clears Key of Destiny.
It completely bewilders me why Shadow Knight would make a false claim like that. Rolenames must have some sway in alignment. Does anyone with more knowledge of Led Zeppelin have any input on that?
I hope not. John Bonham was actually the reason I took up drums. And I really don't want to kill the rest of Led Zepplin off.
Care to explain how that post of mine is scummy? Is it because of fencesitting?
The real problem with the post is you're throwing out a general question to the town. It's a subtle push on WoD without taking any responsibility for it. There's very little downside for a scum to do this, particularly when one townie (and WoD is town) makes a bold choice and screws up (example, killing another townie). It's pot stirring while trying to look innocent ("Don't mind me...just thinking out loud").
FoS: Pale Mage - you're smarter than wanting to let a counter-claimed scum (even one with a usually confirmable role) go to night on day 1.
Nah, not if I can get more out of it. Just discussing who we wanted to see SK "vig" might have uncovered more scum. How he tried to steer that conversation if the town committed to the idea could have been loaded with tells.
Too late now. A missed opportunity, but not disastrous.
Vote Zindabad for his extreme confidence in SK being scum. Expecially the second post quoted; it does not strike me in any way as coming from a townie.
I know beyond any shadow of doubt that DYH's attack on me was insincere, and what's more, that he knew it was insincere when he made it. That's all I need to disregard it.
The real scum is Shad. His reasoning for backing off the WoD wagon is preposterous: "I was frustrated, so I responded by wanting to lynch a 99% confirmed townie, but now I that I cooled down I'm ok with him living since he can't vig anyone else." His immediate response was to name WoD as scum for killing a townie - as though every other vig in history didn't take down some townies - and then after that reflected badly on him, he tried to slink out of the spotlight, but not before fishing WoD just to make sure he didn't have to worry about being next on the menu.
I can't imagine how a mafia would claim one-shot vig and get away with it, so I think it's much more likely that he's the SK, will kill someone the town demands dead tonight, then try to make it to the endgame where he can win it all with the kill the remaining townies wouldn't think he has.
Nah, not if I can get more out of it. Just discussing who we wanted to see SK "vig" might have uncovered more scum. How he tried to steer that conversation if the town committed to the idea could have been loaded with tells.
Too late now. A missed opportunity, but not disastrous.
So why were you still against the wagon after the oppurtunity was missed (since he was lynched at that point)?
Whew, that was tiring. I have too many town reads, but I don't care.
- Skander : His votes are terrible, his responses to being accused are terrible. Scum.
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Vote : Skander. In retrospective, it's a wonder his wagon didn't take off yesterday. He's far scummier than anyone else. His motive for voting Chris (taking seriously a post that sounded serious, or at least was not an obvious joke) is the worst of them all, and then he's all "my bad, it was a misunderstanding". Pale Mage covered that pretty well back at the time. Then he's attacked, and I don't need to add anything to the arguments used by his pursuers. He plays ignorant all along, far too much, it's obviously forced. Last thing he does is vote against Zinda for being sure the guy with the terrible claim and bad behaviour was scum.
This is a direct reversal from your opinion on me yesterday. Yesterday, I was clearly a townie to you but today I am obvious scum for all the things that happened yesterday. This makes no sense at all - if I was scum for those things then why did you find me as town yesterday with not a mention of suspicion at all?
What's wrong with this game ? Little things get blown out of proportion (Chris' self vote), which creates noise, which is then blown out of proportion. Calm down people, we want to find scummy behaviour, not create it.
I will be without internet access tomorrow and the day after that. When I'm back, my schedule should be free again, so I should be able to retrieve my usual posting rhythm and quality.
Also, please explain how my response were "terrible". That's a nice generalization but I'd like to see you back it up.
Well at first I thought he was a serial killer (meaning the mafia killed him), but then I realized with all his cult blabbering that he mught have been a cult leader (lol).
So it's likely we've been blessed with a vigilante. Anyone want to claim?
yes, I'd love the serial killer to claim. either that or MTGJ was our SK, and this is his last shot, fired at DYH. I don't know why you think it's a night Vig?
[font=georgia][font=georgia]Not convinced Pale Mage or Seppel are scum, it's too obvious. I'll be watching them, but I don't expect much. As for MMoD, I think he's town: scum-MMoD lurks like hell and "will post content later". Maybe he simply has improved, but at this stage of the game, that's enough for me.
how does that make scummy posting any less scummy. someone with such an obvious scum playstyle would hopefully try to avoid that. and that playstyle is not hard to change at all.
Now this post is scummy to me. Here, you're so certain that he is town, and are defending him and trying to convince others that he is town. But after his lynching and was revealed that he is not town, this makes you a scumbuddie, imo. vote creampuffeater[/FONT]
so, how does my non belif of the counterclaim, not make me scum? you don't even mention me? I'm lost here.
Don't forget the way CPE defended shadow. The way he said it, he was certain about Shadow being town, and he used a past mafia game to convince others. But now that Shadow is proven to be scum, don't you think that it is sensible for me to believe that he is as well?
Didn't I mention 1001 nights mafia, and a big brother role, or something?
I felt Shadow was acting just as bad as he normally does, even in the face of a counterclaim. I didn't think much of it at the time, since it was a role counterclaim, but regardless, it was awesome and it 100% clears Key of Destiny.
no, no it does not. there are a few secnarios where i could feasably see scum Key counterclaiming scum Dragyn. one of which is that key is our SK.
Vote Zindabad for his extreme confidence in SK being scum. Expecially the second post quoted; it does not strike me in any way as coming from a townie.
So why were you still against the wagon after the oppurtunity was missed (since he was lynched at that point)?
I haven't forgotten about you Yodavader; if I wasn't voting Zindabad I would be voting you.
are you kidding me? scum almost never show confidence in who they vote. his being confidant is more of a town tell than a scum tell.
- Andelijah : I really want to see him explain his vote against CPE. It's his main contribution to the thread, and I have no idea where he's coming from. (this is a confused read)
I thought his first few posts severely lacked content. If you don't see that, then more explanation is not going to help.
Since then, however, I would like to add that he forgot who he was suspecting, something I have difficulty believing he would do as town.
Nah, not if I can get more out of it. Just discussing who we wanted to see SK "vig" might have uncovered more scum. How he tried to steer that conversation if the town committed to the idea could have been loaded with tells.
Too late now. A missed opportunity, but not disastrous.
Disagree that it's worth a likely mislynch, but at least you're town.
Is Seppel usually as aggressive as he is this game?
I actually have no read on Keeper at all, and leaning pretty strongly town on Yoda.
I have had yucky feelings about ZDS all game, but nothing real concrete to base it on. He just feels more careful than the last time I played with him. ATM, I approve of the cpe wagon.
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As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
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I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
Skander -> 193 does not explain 108~112. If it does, show how.
You are attacking me because I said that PM's vote being serious changed things when in fact it didn't change things. 193 - You are correct that it changes nothing in regards to Chris however it changed something in regard to PM's behaviour.
And yes, the same thing is happening again, the same thing that makes you so scummy. You can't respond to an attack at face value, nooo, you have to be evasive and send it right back at the sender. It's an effective defence, since you eventually tire out your attackers, but I don't see why a townie would want to tire out his attackers.
You're missing the point here. When there is a tangible argument that I understand I can defend against it. If there is just generalizations (your play is different here as opposed to the last game (seppel), your responses were scummy (you, Cyan) etc.) or attacks that don't make sense (yodavader's attacking me for voting Chris based on PM's "vote-scouring" reason when in fact a) I had explicitly voted Chris for other reasons; only commenting on PM's reason much later b) I said it wasn't a good reason) there's not much I can do except probe and try to figure out where the attack is coming from.
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As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
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yes, I'd love the serial killer to claim. either that or MTGJ was our SK, and this is his last shot, fired at DYH. I don't know why you think it's a night Vig?
I only think it because MTG_J was going bat**** about the presence of a cult, and what a surprise, he turns up NEUTRAL.
And from what I've been told, MTG_J loves Mafia, but isn't quite good at it.
Skander -> I did not get the wagon on you when it was happening. Now I do and I agree with it. The wonders of a re-read with a rested head.
Quote-fest below. Spoilered to avoid doing a megapost.
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Overall, you were asking far too many questions and not giving enough answers. You are drowning the problem instead of correctly addressing it.
No, no, no, no. Bad ZDS. First you say that my targets are bad, then you try to hop on the already-dead wagon THAT I CREATED.
You can't have it both ways. Which one is it to you? Am I a God among Mafia players who can strike down insolence at first sight, or am I a terrible player?
Skander -> Define "tangible argument". I think the arguments you mentioned were quite tangible. A change in playstyle can indicate a change in alignment, and scummy responses mean you did not respond the way a townie would be expected to (it's pretty general, I'll give you that, but it's not a generalisation).
By tangible argument I'm referring to an argument that I can actually argue back against.
The only responses I could have given to both of those arguments was either "No, you" or to ask for clarification.
Seppel said my playstyle had changed yet didn't actually provide content as to how it had changed until a lot later (after me asking him several times). I can't defend against someone's belief that my playstyle has changed when I don't know where it's coming from.
"Scummy responses" is again not something I can defend against. "No my responses weren't scummy." That doesn't get us very far.
I need to know what specifically I'm being attacked for in order to specifically defend instead of trying to figure out what the attack was.
Explain what? Those accusations are baseless and wrong. Some sort of schenanigans are going on if someone got a result that I even targeted DYH. Last night I was given an item that either protected me from investigation, or allowed me to remove the item (a ring) and either kill a player, or investigate a player. The action I chose was to investigate MTG Junkie, as I figured that would be much more productive than vigging him. I did receive some flavor text that implyied that something was amiss, but not that I had shot DYH.
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1) Uh, I stated that while I wasn't completely convinced, we also did have a better target, Sk.
2) Not until I have a better case on you, sorry.
3) Maybe when you stop making vague comments.
In summary: No. you are not correct.
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@Bil: Please let me explain on Day 2.
@ZDS: Scum. Now you're already telling us you'll build a case on me. Your number 7 is a big red light. Townies would have already made a case.
@MMoD: I think you're a slimy bastard. But not enough of a slimy bastard to vote on.
@Yodavader: STOP MAKING SENSE!
@The rest of you: I think Key and ZDS are in this together.
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1.) WHY ARE YOU NOT CONVINCED. There, maybe if it's in caps, you can explain.
2.) So then you think I'm scum for no reason? How is it at all pro-town to harbor suspicions against me and not allow me to respond? I find this to be quite scummy, and if you are town, how can you really be garnering a true opinion of you do not make accusations?
3.) So you are then making vague comments because in you opinion I am? This doesn't compute.
1)I didn't say I wasn't convinced, I'm sure he's scum, but I'm more sure that SK is scum. Am I getting through to you now?
2) Pot, Kettle, Black, much?
3) What I was attempting there was a subtle way of saying "pot, kettle, black". Obviously, Subtlites don't work with you.
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13 to lynch
cpe - 1 andelijah
keeperofzion - 2 ChrisXIV, Pale Mage
dragyn_mage - 12 Alx2, keeperofzion, zindabad, ZDS, keyofdestiny, kpaca, Skander, Bilbroxian, Nom_Anor, yodavader, Disrupt Your Hymn, jerubbaal
Bilbroxian - 1 mmod
yodavader - 1 Zeppel
keyofdestiny - 1 dragyn_mage
mmod - 1 Niv
Not Voting: WoD, Infinis, cpe, MTG_Junkie
I'm on top of this anyway (just woke up). But in the future, asking me to post another vote count less than 24 hours after the last one probably wont do anything. I'm keeping up with the game and I'm seeing when I need to post vote counts. If I haven't posted one and the last one was less than 24 hours ago, its because I haven't checked the site at all.
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || sk: LookingforReality (Copycat) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || survivor: matjoeman (Anarchist) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || town: kops (Anarchist) |||
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Plus dragyn_mage has two votes? Weird.
Anyways, I'm fine hammering whenever. If anyone has anything they feel compelled to say something before night, get it out. Unless someone asks me not to, I'll hammer tomorrow evening sometime.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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No i understand the subtle remarks, it's just that where as I normally actually do things and just don't talk about them till the right moment, you really just post a whole lot of hollow jive :cool:.
As to 1)., which is the only satisfactory answer for me, I understand that now, but before you posted that you were only 80% sure, but didn't give any reasons.
I think you made some errors. Please don't strike me down for questioning the all mighty Mod.
unvote:, with intent to revote once that's cleared up.
Unless there is more to this story than meets the eye.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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But seriously, I try and make the vote counts accurate. I rushed that one out so you guys would know that dragyn_mage has 12 votes on him. If there's ever an error in the vote count just keep mentioning them and I'll clear them up.
I wasn't saying you were a pest. I thought you were asking for a vote count because dragyn_mage is close to lynch, and I was saying that I was going to post one anyway. And the only time a vote count request will do anything is if there has been at least 48 hours or so since the last vote count.
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || sk: LookingforReality (Copycat) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || survivor: matjoeman (Anarchist) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || town: kops (Anarchist) |||
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Bye scum. Won't miss you. MMoD is next on my list.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Because it's poor flavor based speculation.
"Weird" is not impossible. For the record, going after SK on behavioral grounds is fair game. Going after him solely based on role and/or counter name-claim is rubbish.
I'd like to know now.
...and I don't want to hear them. I'd rather not dump role info in the thread that doesn't need to be there. Zero benefit.
For example, if Key meant "Hey, I'm the Piper, and I'm a vig" then he can just keep his mouth shut and shoot SK. (I don't think he meant that, but let's cover the possibility). If he meant no more than "SK just claimed my rolename", then we have all we need to know on the matter. The rest of Key's role has no bearing on the matter. Why do you need to know just because he offered?
Very doubtful SK is the SK. His reactions to my asking about faking the single kill strike me as genuine. If he's scum (possible), he ain't a serial killer.
I'm still against this wagon. We're losing an opportunity to use SK's claimed kill to our own benefit.
WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOU
cpe - 1 andelijah
keeperofzion - 2 ChrisXIV, Pale Mage
dragyn_mage - 13 Alx2, keeperofzion, zindabad, ZDS, keyofdestiny, kpaca, Skander, Bilbroxian, Nom_Anor, yodavader, Disrupt Your Hymn, jerubbaal, WoD
Bilbroxian - 1 mmod
yodavader - 1 Zeppel
keyofdestiny - 1 dragyn_mage
mmod - 1 Niv
Not Voting: Infinis, cpe, MTG_Junkie
The cacophony of shouting rises and falls. Voices burst forth accusing one, a few, several. Some say "end it." Some say "no wait, I ain't jokin' I've got to ramble." Then many point at dragyn_mage and shout "Him." Dragyn_mage stops, looks around, and starts drummin' like crazy. The sickest drum solo you've ever heard. People are like "Hella yeah, that rocks." But WoD starts to bend over in pain. Then someone shouts "NO, he's using the power of his awesome drum solo to kill WoD, stop him. 13 people jump dragyn_mage and beat the crap out of him with his own toms.
dragyn_mage was John Bonham
It is now Night 1. Actions are due in 72 hours. If you have an ability but do not wish to use it please send me a PM saying "No Action."
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || sk: LookingforReality (Copycat) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || survivor: matjoeman (Anarchist) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || town: kops (Anarchist) |||
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Disrupt Your Hymn was Black Dog
MTG_Junkie was The Lemon Song
It is now Day 2
With 20 alive its 11 to lynch.
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || sk: LookingforReality (Copycat) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || survivor: matjoeman (Anarchist) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || town: kops (Anarchist) |||
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Amusingly, other than MTGJ, Seppel's about the only one who's post counter-claim behavior was abominable. There's a lot of lousy posting about that point, but Seppel's actually the only one who flat out refuses to deal with the counter-claim and go chasing another suspect.
Zindabad gives me bad feelings, but that's mainly a gut read from his gloating post sounding rather contrived.
FoS: Pale Mage - you're smarter than wanting to let a counter-claimed scum (even one with a usually confirmable role) go to night on day 1.
I can't decide if MMoD's frustration is townie frustration of scummy frustration. Leaning scum, but I'm fence sitting right now.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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Yeah, that was my bad. I was about to post a really giant "STOP THIS LYNCH" but then I realized I was too late.
It completely bewilders me why Shadow Knight would make a false claim like that. Rolenames must have some sway in alignment. Does anyone with more knowledge of Led Zeppelin have any input on that?
BTW, awesome kill, Mafia. You just bought us a hell of a lot of time.
Um, ignore all but the last one.
Anyway, Pale Mage is town, Vote: Yodavader.
Vote MMoD, He's still scum.
in other news, why the hell did Dragyn_mage False claim. i was dead wrong there. i though that he, as well as WoD were all the piper, ala big brother, but alas, this is a normal game. points to a scum team of jimmy, john paul, robert and John, where had SK not been caught in the counter claim, and dead musicians start turning up, his claim may get iffy. so yes. strange play regardless.
MTGJ? really, how'd that save us time, curisoity sake.
in other news, SHARPIE 500 Baby.
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Well at first I thought he was a serial killer (meaning the mafia killed him), but then I realized with all his cult blabbering that he mught have been a cult leader (lol).
So it's likely we've been blessed with a vigilante. Anyone want to claim?
And what, might I ask, makes you think that I am scum?
Care to explain how that post of mine is scummy? Is it because of fencesitting?
Well, i'm already on one side. And i believe that was established when I said that i think WoD is town.
UnrealCity, and nobody believed his claim there.
Now this post is scummy to me. Here, you're so certain that he is town, and are defending him and trying to convince others that he is town. But after his lynching and was revealed that he is not town, this makes you a scumbuddie, imo. vote creampuffeater
Don't forget the way CPE defended shadow. The way he said it, he was certain about Shadow being town, and he used a past mafia game to convince others. But now that Shadow is proven to be scum, don't you think that it is sensible for me to believe that he is as well?
And by the way, you haven't answered my question yet.
No, I don't. I was about to do the same as well and try to stop the lynch and you don't even bat an eye in my direction for that.
You already answered it, fencesitty man.
Because what caught my attention is how CPE did it. Why did you also want to stop the lynch?
So it's because of the fencesitting? well, i already explained myself:
I felt Shadow was acting just as bad as he normally does, even in the face of a counterclaim. I didn't think much of it at the time, since it was a role counterclaim, but regardless, it was awesome and it 100% clears Key of Destiny.
I hope not. John Bonham was actually the reason I took up drums. And I really don't want to kill the rest of Led Zepplin off.
BTW, Vote Yodavader. scum target is scum.
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The real problem with the post is you're throwing out a general question to the town. It's a subtle push on WoD without taking any responsibility for it. There's very little downside for a scum to do this, particularly when one townie (and WoD is town) makes a bold choice and screws up (example, killing another townie). It's pot stirring while trying to look innocent ("Don't mind me...just thinking out loud").
Bad. Here, you can have this back now.
Vote: KeeperofZion
Other thoughts later tonight/early tomorrow.
Nah, not if I can get more out of it. Just discussing who we wanted to see SK "vig" might have uncovered more scum. How he tried to steer that conversation if the town committed to the idea could have been loaded with tells.
Too late now. A missed opportunity, but not disastrous.
So why were you still against the wagon after the oppurtunity was missed (since he was lynched at that point)?
I haven't forgotten about you Yodavader; if I wasn't voting Zindabad I would be voting you.
This is a direct reversal from your opinion on me yesterday. Yesterday, I was clearly a townie to you but today I am obvious scum for all the things that happened yesterday. This makes no sense at all - if I was scum for those things then why did you find me as town yesterday with not a mention of suspicion at all?
Also, please explain how my response were "terrible". That's a nice generalization but I'd like to see you back it up.
Where am I playing ignorant?
yes, I'd love the serial killer to claim. either that or MTGJ was our SK, and this is his last shot, fired at DYH. I don't know why you think it's a night Vig?
how does that make scummy posting any less scummy. someone with such an obvious scum playstyle would hopefully try to avoid that. and that playstyle is not hard to change at all.
so, how does my non belif of the counterclaim, not make me scum? you don't even mention me? I'm lost here.
Didn't I mention 1001 nights mafia, and a big brother role, or something?
no, no it does not. there are a few secnarios where i could feasably see scum Key counterclaiming scum Dragyn. one of which is that key is our SK.
are you kidding me? scum almost never show confidence in who they vote. his being confidant is more of a town tell than a scum tell.
what on earth is a "thoughtless solitary cowboy"?
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They do if they know that their target is going to flip scum when they've been pressing for the lynch.
Since then, however, I would like to add that he forgot who he was suspecting, something I have difficulty believing he would do as town.
Vote: creampuffeater
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Thanks. It should be obvious that I'm asking him to actually explain himself instead of just saying that I'm not the Skander he remembers.
See my 193. Which you have quoted below.
How was I supposed to address it? People were saying "Skander is scum because of X?"
OK.... but how was X scummy?
And this is exactly the same thing that's happening right now if you'll notice...
Disagree that it's worth a likely mislynch, but at least you're town.
Is Seppel usually as aggressive as he is this game?
I actually have no read on Keeper at all, and leaning pretty strongly town on Yoda.
I have had yucky feelings about ZDS all game, but nothing real concrete to base it on. He just feels more careful than the last time I played with him. ATM, I approve of the cpe wagon.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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He killed DYH last night, and I'm about 90% sure it was the mafia kill:
1. Since it's DYH
2. Since MTG_Junkie seems a lot more likely to get vigged than nightkilled.
If I'm outing the vig, I'm sorry, but I really don't see vigging DYH night 1 as a reasonable vig play.
You are attacking me because I said that PM's vote being serious changed things when in fact it didn't change things. 193 - You are correct that it changes nothing in regards to Chris however it changed something in regard to PM's behaviour.
You're missing the point here. When there is a tangible argument that I understand I can defend against it. If there is just generalizations (your play is different here as opposed to the last game (seppel), your responses were scummy (you, Cyan) etc.) or attacks that don't make sense (yodavader's attacking me for voting Chris based on PM's "vote-scouring" reason when in fact a) I had explicitly voted Chris for other reasons; only commenting on PM's reason much later b) I said it wasn't a good reason) there's not much I can do except probe and try to figure out where the attack is coming from.
Are you 100% sure that he killed DYH last night?
I'll bite. Splain please kpaca.
Nom, do not explain until kpaca does.
MTGS stats (won/played)
As scum - 3/5
As town - 5/7
As neutral - none
(I really have been scum a lot)
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I only think it because MTG_J was going bat**** about the presence of a cult, and what a surprise, he turns up NEUTRAL.
And from what I've been told, MTG_J loves Mafia, but isn't quite good at it.
No, no, no, no. Bad ZDS. First you say that my targets are bad, then you try to hop on the already-dead wagon THAT I CREATED.
You can't have it both ways. Which one is it to you? Am I a God among Mafia players who can strike down insolence at first sight, or am I a terrible player?
By tangible argument I'm referring to an argument that I can actually argue back against.
The only responses I could have given to both of those arguments was either "No, you" or to ask for clarification.
Seppel said my playstyle had changed yet didn't actually provide content as to how it had changed until a lot later (after me asking him several times). I can't defend against someone's belief that my playstyle has changed when I don't know where it's coming from.
"Scummy responses" is again not something I can defend against. "No my responses weren't scummy." That doesn't get us very far.
I need to know what specifically I'm being attacked for in order to specifically defend instead of trying to figure out what the attack was.
Explain what? Those accusations are baseless and wrong. Some sort of schenanigans are going on if someone got a result that I even targeted DYH. Last night I was given an item that either protected me from investigation, or allowed me to remove the item (a ring) and either kill a player, or investigate a player. The action I chose was to investigate MTG Junkie, as I figured that would be much more productive than vigging him. I did receive some flavor text that implyied that something was amiss, but not that I had shot DYH.