@AI: As always, I can't be held accountable for the actions of my predecessor, but I'd like to point out that the language "to salvage any chance of his character surviving the day" is hyperbole, considering the circumstances.
Naturally. I often spice up my monologues with some dramatic license.
What's up with your sudden defeatism? Why don't you try to, you know, continue playing(normally)?
Ironic, given that you came close to killing yourself in Newb 30 (which probably would have led to a Mafia win).
As for the recent posts, I find kpaca more suspicious every (irl) day, given his continued support for TFO.
The arguments against TFO are not weak; TFO's "defense" is weak.
Either TFO is scum and is unsuccessfully attempting to deflect the town's attention, or he is town deliberately dragging down the game so he can "try on a new hat." Either way, a lynch or a replacement seems in order if he doesn't cooperate with the reasonable requests of other players. (content? zomg ugaiz!)
@Cantripmancer: No, my vote on Toastboy is based off exactly what I said it is.
@Zinda: You do need to consider he made the meta argument, then got wagoned. I realized what he was doing from the beginning.
@AsianInvasion: Funny. The only game you were in you were scum, and you got pegged as obvious scum for your blatant fence sitting. Maybe you havn't learned eh?? FOS: AsianInvasion
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@Cantripmancer: No, my vote on Toastboy is based off exactly what I said it is.
@Zinda: You do need to consider he made the meta argument, then got wagoned. I realized what he was doing from the beginning.
@AsianInvasion: Funny. The only game you were in you were scum, and you got pegged as obvious scum for your blatant fence sitting. Maybe you havn't learned eh?? FOS: AsianInvasion
Kpaca, you really do seem like you are defending TFO way too much. why?
That is a dumb and loaded question. How the crap am I supposed to believe that I am defending someone too much. I think you all followed a terrible case was too much.
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That is a dumb and loaded question. How the crap am I supposed to believe that I am defending someone too much. I think you all followed a terrible case was too much.
First: my vote on Toast is clearly because he asked questions of a player who replaced out, signifying he clearly wasn't reading.
Second: My lack of vote on TFO is due to the fact that the case against him was/is weak and the points Ced brought up seem more conjured out of thin air than anything else. Also TFO told me about 2 weeks ago before this game even started that he planned on trying several different playstyles (mine included), and he even has a list of these (it includes people like Cyan, Descourse, etc). So I knew what he was doing with his one liners.
Bolded. Also, could you link to the post where TFO planned this, or copy from a PM or something, just for the sake of extra proof?
First: my vote on Toast is clearly because he asked questions of a player who replaced out, signifying he clearly wasn't reading.
Second: My lack of vote on TFO is due to the fact that the case against him was/is weak and the points Ced brought up seem more conjured out of thin air than anything else. Also TFO told me about 2 weeks ago before this game even started that he planned on trying several different playstyles (mine included), and he even has a list of these (it includes people like Cyan, Descourse, etc). So I knew what he was doing with his one liners.
How about the bolded part? What arguments are weak and why? What points did Ced "conjure"?
First, this conversations was over AIM. Second, I will not nor will I ever give you pieces of my personal life for the sake of this mafia game, so you better just deal with that. As for the case against TFO, it is obvious to me that the case is mostly ridiculous. The idea against him was that he wasn't answering a question and was posting one liners. I know that the one liners came with a reason, and it would appear his unanswering of questions was either based off of a misunderstanding, or in another case it was based off of how obvious the answer was.
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First off, why didn't TFO say that kpaca was the one he had talked to? It seems possible to me that if TFO were scum (I'm speaking hypothetically), and were kpaca scum (again, hypothetical), and TFO thought that his playstyle was going to get him in trouble, he could say that he's been experimenting and say "Someone on this thread knows this already, because I talked to them." Then kpaca could take that as a cue to say that it was, in fact, him who TFO referred to, even though no such conversation happened.
I suppose, as Bilbro said, checking bases.
Second, it still bothers me that it took at least four questions (I can think of the initial question, and the three asked by zind) before TFO would say who he was talking about. One question not giving a direct answer, I can understand. But four? And from different users? Not really scummy as much as... troublesome, I suppose. Still, I thought I'd throw that out there.
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So are you giving up, replacing out, or going on, TFO?
If you plan to stay with us, I would like to see you change to a "pro-town" playstyle, TFO - try Pale Mage's on for size - and then give your scumlist, or try to provide some content. We're just spinning our wheels talking about you until you decide whether to give up and get lynched or to play the game.
I would never replace someone into this situation.
@kpaca: at least when I get lynched you look much better in the eyes of everyone.
Could you please stop with the defeatism and try to contribute? It's not like you're confirmed scum, or people aren't going to unvote if you start showing signs of pro-town mentality. Although with WIFOM like that line @kpaca, you're not doing yourself any favors.
I am not overenthused by people's play in this game, including my own. However, I have found both TFO's and Kpaca's play horrifically scummy, kpaca's moreso. however, I am not real happy with placing my vote anywhere, because EVERYONE is acting scummily (except maybe Zindzabad and Cantrip). I am still including myself in this because I as well have been posting lacklusterly. However, I cannot sit by idly so I am moved to point my finger of suspicion at kpaca. FoS: Kpaca for plainsight lurking, unsubstansive posting, scumbuddying TFO, and general scummy vibes.
Defense against what??? You want me to defend talking to TFO in real life?? As for plainsight lurking, I basically would laugh at you in person if I could.
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Could you please stop with the defeatism and try to contribute? It's not like you're confirmed scum, or people aren't going to unvote if you start showing signs of pro-town mentality. Although with WIFOM like that line @kpaca, you're not doing yourself any favors.
Do you know how hard it is to read someone when all they are doing is repeating what the person before has said already? I can't accuse everyone of barning. I'm not scum but it seems that there is no way of convincing anyone here otherwise, nothing I do from here is going to be seen pro-town based on the nature of the game, kpaca is not my scum buddy and I have no ties to him other than being good friends and talking over aim.
Right now Bilbroxain is looking scummy, he accuses kpaca of being scum just because someone else has mentioned there is a chance, and has nothing else on him but "scummy vibes". It seems that kapca is the only one in this game who hasnt blindly followed ced, judging by kpaca's play in other games I think this is the townest he has looked in any game I've seen.
This feels like an extremely weak reason to vote for someone...especially someone who you've already pegged as "town, seriously folks". Do you have other reasons for your reversal, or are you trying to save TFO by drawing attention back to Toastboy, or...?
Take it how you want but the bottom line is that it's the truth.
As for TFO, I first have to apologize. I jokingly random-voted for you back at the start for you "admitting to bandwagoning", which wasn't you saying that you were admitting to bandwagoning, but you tossing out a one-liner to answer why you were suspicious of Toast. I noted my epic fail in interpretation, but never unvoted. However, since then, you've evaded questions, provided very little in content, and been vitriolic in general. Your one-line claim was as vague (and therefore safe) as one can get (Winston Churchill sounds like the kind of historical figure we'd get in this game, but we get no additional info).
Indirect flavour:
I am Winston Churchill, the Prime Minister of Britain during WW2. I'm know for "triumphing over evil" in 1945, I am known for my speeches, my V for victory sign and my British bulldog attitude.
Your "I'm trying something new!" smacks of scum covering for change in playstyle. You really come off as scummy.
This, followed by kpaca's "confirmation" almost feels like scum calling out to scum mid-day 1 for help. But I don't know if a tactic like that is something that's often attempted, and it's probably not anything significant.
I actually was hoping kpaca wouldn't confirm, but being tha man he is, he did, I guess trying something new on salvation is the ultimate scum tell.
Similarly, this feels like redirection. "Oh, woe is me. I'm trapped in a newb/basic game with a bunch of newb bandwagoners who don't know what they're doing."
The bandwagon based only on things ced said was amazing, I was utterly shocked.
Of course not, not when the shoe is on the other foot, right?
Imitating Seppel won't make us see you as more town or less scum...we'll just dislike you more (I've never even played in a game with Seppel, and I know this).
Wait, you are bringing like and dislike into a mafia game? trust me, if I did this I would rack up infractions like no other, please try to keep personal feelings out of mafia games please, it wont end well for anyone.
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although TFO is being scumy I'm really not thinkibng that scumy. Zinda, your 'I want TFO to swing' attitude is a little suspicious, TFO hasn't actually done that much scummy. Sure, she's been annoying but I'm really not sure. The claim is actually believable - Winston Churchill is one of your classic historical figures. However, the "I'm town btw" does just seem a bit like an attempt at daylight robbery..
Chris, what I was saying earlier was that I thought TFO's experience should be clear from the playing style, not just saying 'I hate noobs' and it wasn't.
I'm going to keep and FoS:TFO going, cos its not all gone, but we could make a mistake.
TFO, please stop being defeatist and actually contribute or my vote is probably going to go back.
As for the accusations on myself, the post in question, although I was questioning him, this was because I thought he may answer before being replaced, or even consider not being replaced - hence my 'calm down' comment. Sorry that wasn't clear.
Zindabad, were you accusing me of editing?
At the moment, I'm actually more suspicious of Kpaca. He's being enigmatic and abrupt, as always I suppose, but defeding TFO is giving me a hint. If TFO gets lynched and turns up town, which at the time really seemed it would, just after the wagon launched , Kpaca could say 'I told you so' and seem town. But, if Kpaca is scum then he would know that TFO would be town, and so could defend him to seem town. Just like Zindabad did in.. 27? when I was playing awfully. Vote Kpaca.
Plenty to respond to here. It's perfectly plausible that Churchill could be in the balloon with us, but I don't see why that makes TFO's claim believable. Vanilla claims in basic games are meaningless.
TFO saying "I'm town" is a...shall we say "homage" to Seppel. If you haven't played a game with him yet, you should try it. Fascinating experience. He's a great D1 information lynch. Contributing very little, has an obvious link to another player, defeastist attitude.
I wasn't saying you were actually editing your posts, but that you were going back and trying to claim one of your posts was saying something that it wasn't, i.e. when you told kpaca you were trying to convince chaos not to replace out when your post gave no hint of such.
Yeah, it was Noob 27 and it was terrible. "I know this player is town" is a bad scumtell. That's why we should lynch TFO, check results, then go after kpaca.
Right now Bilbroxain is looking scummy, he accuses kpaca of being scum just because someone else has mentioned there is a chance, and has nothing else on him but "scummy vibes".
Deflecting attention rather than defending self (defeatism again).
I'd say Bilb gives off a sense of rather than :evil:.
It seems that kapca is the only one in this game who hasnt blindly followed ced, judging by kpaca's play in other games I think this is the townest he has looked in any game I've seen.
No, but requesting something like a PM seems....petty. And fallable. Kpaca could (were he so inclined) simply fabricate a PM from TFO and post it. What would that prove/disprove? (This might be different, for example, if we could put the two of them in separate rooms and grill them on details without intercommunication, but even without violating the no-PM-during-day restriction, they can just allude to elements in each other's posts.)
First off, why didn't TFO say that kpaca was the one he had talked to? It seems possible to me that if TFO were scum (I'm speaking hypothetically), and were kpaca scum (again, hypothetical), and TFO thought that his playstyle was going to get him in trouble, he could say that he's been experimenting and say "Someone on this thread knows this already, because I talked to them." Then kpaca could take that as a cue to say that it was, in fact, him who TFO referred to, even though no such conversation happened.
I went down this ponder-path, as well, but wasn't sure that there was any way to prove/disprove it.
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Second, it still bothers me that it took at least four questions (I can think of the initial question, and the three asked by zind) before TFO would say who he was talking about. One question not giving a direct answer, I can understand. But four? And from different users? Not really scummy as much as... troublesome, I suppose. Still, I thought I'd throw that out there.
This was one of the things that kept my vote on TFO: constant evasion of the question. It's not just, as kpaca insinuates, "not answering a question." It's avoiding it altogether, multiple times that sets off my scumdar.
Or we could just accept it's WIFOM regardless of TFO's alignment, and either clear or condemn me based off of my own play.
I concur with the general theory of doing this for everyone, but kpaca, you can't tell me that scumtells don't sometimes come in pairs (or aren't identified through the interaction of two or more scum in a thread). Association with/protection of scum will lead to suspicions. If you lie with dogs, and all that...
It means I was sort of serious but not quite sure if it was a tell or not, obv.
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I can't accuse everyone of barning. I'm not scum but it seems that there is no way of convincing anyone here otherwise, nothing I do from here is going to be seen pro-town based on the nature of the game, kpaca is not my scum buddy and I have no ties to him other than being good friends and talking over aim.
If you're town, scumhunt. Do something proactive. Don't just sit back and let us hammer you to death. We're not going to be excited to mislynch, and it's only going to play into the hands of the scum. If you're being attacked, fight back! Use logic to identify others who are acting scummy, then pick apart their posts. You're not, unfortunately, going to be able to do this with one-liners and emoticons...
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Right now Bilbroxain is looking scummy, he accuses kpaca of being scum just because someone else has mentioned there is a chance, and has nothing else on him but "scummy vibes". It seems that kapca is the only one in this game who hasnt blindly followed ced, judging by kpaca's play in other games I think this is the townest he has looked in any game I've seen.
It could also be argued that kpaca is the only one defending you when you really are acting scummy. In that light, kpaca becomes suspicious. Add to that his "Toast is certainly town....no wait, he asked questions of a replacer, he's scum!!!" and I can see some scummy vibes. Especially since he continues to not answer questions (kpaca, see the bottom of this post for more...)
Take it how you want but the bottom line is that it's the truth.
I know you didn't mean "<[kpaca] trying to save TFO by drawing attention back to Toastboy> is the truth." But the only other interpretation that I can find in there is that <kpaca's reason for voting for Toastboy being weak> is the truth. What, exactly, did you mean by this statement?
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I am Winston Churchill, the Prime Minister of Britain during WW2. I'm know for "triumphing over evil" in 1945, I am known for my speeches, my V for victory sign and my British bulldog attitude.
Flavour enough for you?
Thank you. That fits in, for the most part, with what I would have expected, based on my own PM info. I can find no issue with your claim.
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I actually was hoping kpaca wouldn't confirm, but being tha man he is, he did, I guess trying something new on salvation is the ultimate scum tell.
I disagree. But it hasn't taken me long to determine that previous games are fair game for gleaning information on a particular player's posting style. If you suddenly switch from one to the other, people are going to ask questions. If you switch from a high-intensity, high-word count playstyle to kpaca's or Seppel's, it's going to be especially noticable, and, since less verbage is actually forthcoming, it's easy to see it as reticent, inanxious to post in detail, and hence, scummy. Trying something new = good...but you'd best be prepared for some fallout.
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Wait, you are bringing like and dislike into a mafia game? trust me, if I did this I would rack up infractions like no other, please try to keep personal feelings out of mafia games please, it wont end well for anyone.
Um, actually, kpaca and I have (in a previous game) travelled the road of personal feelings to dictate game actions, and it ended in epic fail for the town. I'm very against that. Seppel, on the other hand, is another story completely. I've never been in a game with Seppel, and I may opt out of any game that I get forced into with Seppel, because every game I've read with Seppel in it, I can't get past his 100% abrasive attitude and ego-the-size-of-Kong's-testicles. I recently read a game where he came under attack, and quickly devolved to a vulgarity-spewing pain, hurling insults and flaming everyone...and he was TOWN!! I can't see that game environment being enjoyed, and for you to try to emulate that...is scary.
I'm used to a claim being a name and some flavor elements. The name is something easily fabricated/guessed at, but the flavor and the way it's reported can be telling. I was surprised to just get a name claim.
Plenty to respond to here. It's perfectly plausible that Churchill could be in the balloon with us, but I don't see why that makes TFO's claim believable. Vanilla claims in basic games are meaningless.
The name and flavor are believable in this game; claiming vanilla town doesn't give any more or less weight to a player's rep in the game.
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TFO saying "I'm town" is a...shall we say "homage" to Seppel. If you haven't played a game with him yet, you should try it. Fascinating experience. He's a great D1 information lynch. Contributing very little, has an obvious link to another player, defeastist attitude.
"Fascinating" is not the adjective I'd use.
Yeah, it was Noob 27 and it was terrible. "I know this player is town" is a bad scumtell. That's why we should lynch TFO, check results, then go after kpaca.
This feels odd to me. Will you detail your reasoning for suggesting this plan of action?
At the moment, I'm actually more suspicious of Kpaca. He's being enigmatic and abrupt, as always I suppose, but defeding TFO is giving me a hint. If TFO gets lynched and turns up town, which at the time really seemed it would, just after the wagon launched , Kpaca could say 'I told you so' and seem town. But, if Kpaca is scum then he would know that TFO would be town, and so could defend him to seem town. Just like Zindabad did in.. 27? when I was playing awfully. Vote Kpaca.
I'm beginning to suspect kpaca more and more, although I'm reluctant to start down that path because I don't want to feel that my previous experience with him is clouding my judgement. However, I do see several things kpaca has done as suspicious:
1) "Toast is town." followed by "Erm, strike that town comment, Toast is suspicious as hell, and gets my vote."
2) Defending TFO.
3) The following conversation:
You are not going to be happy with what you see, I am currently experimenting with different play styles using players as example of different posting styles to test the effectiveness and see what the game is like in the eyes of a kpaca or a seppel. I wanted to keep this a secret but I guess its not worth risking a mafia game over.
Second: My lack of vote on TFO is due to the fact that the case against him was/is weak and the points Ced brought up seem more conjured out of thin air than anything else. Also TFO told me about 2 weeks ago before this game even started that he planned on trying several different playstyles (mine included), and he even has a list of these (it includes people like Cyan, Descourse, etc). So I knew what he was doing with his one liners.
This is small, and probably doesn't mean much, but if kpaca was well-aware of TFO's plan to experiment, why would he think that TFO was comparing him to Seppel?
As for the case against TFO, it is obvious to me that the case is mostly ridiculous. The idea against him was that he wasn't answering a question and was posting one liners. I know that the one liners came with a reason, and it would appear his unanswering of questions was either based off of a misunderstanding, or in another case it was based off of how obvious the answer was.
So, to restate, because I don't want any misunderstanding as to which questions I'm asking:
1) It has been noted by multiple people that TFO seemed to be avoiding a question, and the fingering of Ced through his eventual answer of "I thought it was obvious" wasn't obvious to me. Why are you so willing to write off his multiple question-avoidances as a "misunderstanding" or "obviousness" instead of examining it like you do with other miniscule scumtells?
2) Do you honestly believe that Toastboy's questioning of Chaos post-replacement-request was a violation severe enough to warrant going from "Toast's town, people" to "vote toast"?
Since I can't vote for two people, as much as I'd like to...
Vote: Kpaca
Reasoning:
I find him almost as scummy as TFO, but the fact that zindabad, who I still have a FoS on, strongly supports a TFO lynch makes me think that we should wait on that.
No, but requesting something like a PM seems....petty. And fallable. Kpaca could (were he so inclined) simply fabricate a PM from TFO and post it. What would that prove/disprove? (This might be different, for example, if we could put the two of them in separate rooms and grill them on details without intercommunication, but even without violating the no-PM-during-day restriction, they can just allude to elements in each other's posts.)
I went down this ponder-path, as well, but wasn't sure that there was any way to prove/disprove it.
This was one of the things that kept my vote on TFO: constant evasion of the question. It's not just, as kpaca insinuates, "not answering a question." It's avoiding it altogether, multiple times that sets off my scumdar.
Defeatists get lynched. Be productive/townie/scumhunter.
I concur with the general theory of doing this for everyone, but kpaca, you can't tell me that scumtells don't sometimes come in pairs (or aren't identified through the interaction of two or more scum in a thread). Association with/protection of scum will lead to suspicions. If you lie with dogs, and all that...
Do you know how hard it is to read someone when all they are doing is avoiding the question?
If you're town, scumhunt. Do something proactive. Don't just sit back and let us hammer you to death. We're not going to be excited to mislynch, and it's only going to play into the hands of the scum. If you're being attacked, fight back! Use logic to identify others who are acting scummy, then pick apart their posts. You're not, unfortunately, going to be able to do this with one-liners and emoticons...
It could also be argued that kpaca is the only one defending you when you really are acting scummy. In that light, kpaca becomes suspicious. Add to that his "Toast is certainly town....no wait, he asked questions of a replacer, he's scum!!!" and I can see some scummy vibes. Especially since he continues to not answer questions (kpaca, see the bottom of this post for more...)
I know you didn't mean "<[kpaca] trying to save TFO by drawing attention back to Toastboy> is the truth." But the only other interpretation that I can find in there is that <kpaca's reason for voting for Toastboy being weak> is the truth. What, exactly, did you mean by this statement?
Thank you. That fits in, for the most part, with what I would have expected, based on my own PM info. I can find no issue with your claim.
I disagree. But it hasn't taken me long to determine that previous games are fair game for gleaning information on a particular player's posting style. If you suddenly switch from one to the other, people are going to ask questions. If you switch from a high-intensity, high-word count playstyle to kpaca's or Seppel's, it's going to be especially noticable, and, since less verbage is actually forthcoming, it's easy to see it as reticent, inanxious to post in detail, and hence, scummy. Trying something new = good...but you'd best be prepared for some fallout.
Um, actually, kpaca and I have (in a previous game) travelled the road of personal feelings to dictate game actions, and it ended in epic fail for the town. I'm very against that. Seppel, on the other hand, is another story completely. I've never been in a game with Seppel, and I may opt out of any game that I get forced into with Seppel, because every game I've read with Seppel in it, I can't get past his 100% abrasive attitude and ego-the-size-of-Kong's-testicles. I recently read a game where he came under attack, and quickly devolved to a vulgarity-spewing pain, hurling insults and flaming everyone...and he was TOWN!! I can't see that game environment being enjoyed, and for you to try to emulate that...is scary.
I'm used to a claim being a name and some flavor elements. The name is something easily fabricated/guessed at, but the flavor and the way it's reported can be telling. I was surprised to just get a name claim.
The name and flavor are believable in this game; claiming vanilla town doesn't give any more or less weight to a player's rep in the game.
"Fascinating" is not the adjective I'd use.
This feels odd to me. Will you detail your reasoning for suggesting this plan of action?
I'm beginning to suspect kpaca more and more, although I'm reluctant to start down that path because I don't want to feel that my previous experience with him is clouding my judgement. However, I do see several things kpaca has done as suspicious:
1) "Toast is town." followed by "Erm, strike that town comment, Toast is suspicious as hell, and gets my vote."
2) Defending TFO.
3) The following conversation:
This is small, and probably doesn't mean much, but if kpaca was well-aware of TFO's plan to experiment, why would he think that TFO was comparing him to Seppel?
4) Not answering the following questions:
The second one, I believe, you responded to here:
So, to restate, because I don't want any misunderstanding as to which questions I'm asking:
1) It has been noted by multiple people that TFO seemed to be avoiding a question, and the fingering of Ced through his eventual answer of "I thought it was obvious" wasn't obvious to me. Why are you so willing to write off his multiple question-avoidances as a "misunderstanding" or "obviousness" instead of examining it like you do with other miniscule scumtells?
2) Do you honestly believe that Toastboy's questioning of Chaos post-replacement-request was a violation severe enough to warrant going from "Toast's town, people" to "vote toast"?
Let me answer your questions, which should be obvious.
1.) I'm not picking apart TFO because I don't think he's scum.
2.) Clearly the answer is yes. Why else would I have voted.
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although TFO is being scumy I'm really not thinkibng that scumy. Zinda, your 'I want TFO to swing' attitude is a little suspicious, TFO hasn't actually done that much scummy. Sure, she's been annoying but I'm really not sure. The claim is actually believable - Winston Churchill is one of your classic historical figures. However, the "I'm town btw" does just seem a bit like an attempt at daylight robbery..
Chris, what I was saying earlier was that I thought TFO's experience should be clear from the playing style, not just saying 'I hate noobs' and it wasn't.
I'm going to keep and FoS:TFO going, cos its not all gone, but we could make a mistake.
TFO, please stop being defeatist and actually contribute or my vote is probably going to go back.
As for the accusations on myself, the post in question, although I was questioning him, this was because I thought he may answer before being replaced, or even consider not being replaced - hence my 'calm down' comment. Sorry that wasn't clear.
Zindabad, were you accusing me of editing?
At the moment, I'm actually more suspicious of Kpaca. He's being enigmatic and abrupt, as always I suppose, but defeding TFO is giving me a hint. If TFO gets lynched and turns up town, which at the time really seemed it would, just after the wagon launched , Kpaca could say 'I told you so' and seem town. But, if Kpaca is scum then he would know that TFO would be town, and so could defend him to seem town. Just like Zindabad did in.. 27? when I was playing awfully. Vote Kpaca.
First: TFO is a boy
Second: I like the "oh I though I had posted business". You are still not paying attention
Third: I told you so would be a good thing, except if you were reading you'd see I already condemned that line of thinking.
I know the 'I'm town' business is supicious, but when in games I've seen before, TFO's defeatist attitude, particularly the 'lynch me then' stuff has been when he has been town.
I'm not saying that TFO isn't an option for a lynch, nor that the stuff I said has changed. When I voted he was the best option, right now I think its Kpaca. ATM I am getting that although TFO is self-destructing a bit, he probably is town. No sudden change, just a gradual one.
Zindabad, you say this,
but how does that follow? Can you explain the logic to me?
Really not liking Kpaca though.
Just saw his 'Toastboy isn't posting either' thing, and it seems that he is trying to shift focus onto me... perhaps intending to use my slip up earlier?
AI, are you going to vote after that attack then? Fence sitting is not good in this situation. Fos:AsianInvasion
Bilbro, in #229 you seem fairly convinced of Kpaca's scumminess, yet don't vote. Care to elaborate?
Your 100% correct I want to shift focus to you for your slip up. Which I see you are now recognizing as a slip up.
Since I can't vote for two people, as much as I'd like to...
Vote: Kpaca
Reasoning:
I find him almost as scummy as TFO, but the fact that zindabad, who I still have a FoS on, strongly supports a TFO lynch makes me think that we should wait on that.
Wow, you finally jump off the fence when someone brings it up Super FOS: AsianInvasion. You're playing just like the fence sitting scum you played in Hip Hop Mafia.
'trip, good stuff. I agree with the vanilla claim - it does not condemn as much as it doesn't save.
I want Kpaca to answer these questions, but for now my vote is staying where it is.
Another one as well, Kpaca and TFO, why do you believe that TFO's wagon happened due to Ced? As far as I can see, it started after my vote, not Ced's ongoing list of comments.
Because Ced's arguments and logic moved the wagon. You may have placed the first vote but you clearly didn't start the wagon.
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Let me answer your questions, which should be obvious.
1.) I'm not picking apart TFO because I don't think he's scum.
2.) Clearly the answer is yes. Why else would I have voted.
Ok, let me be obvious: Vote: kpaca. I didn't ask why you weren't picking TFO apart, I asked why you would nitpick one player's deviations and pan on another's. You're good at that nitpicking thing, and you'll base whole swaths of votes off a gut feeling, but when TFO evades questions left and right, you're like "Wut, scummy? Tut and nonsense." And I still don't see how the link between "Toast: Obvious town" and "Toast: Scum gets my Vote" is that Toastboy asked questions of a player asking for a replacement. Why couldn't he have been trying to glean information before Chaos left? Why is it such an incredible scumtell as to make you do your about face?
Ok, let me be obvious: Vote: kpaca. I didn't ask why you weren't picking TFO apart, I asked why you would nitpick one player's deviations and pan on another's. You're good at that nitpicking thing, and you'll base whole swaths of votes off a gut feeling, but when TFO evades questions left and right, you're like "Wut, scummy? Tut and nonsense." And I still don't see how the link between "Toast: Obvious town" and "Toast: Scum gets my Vote" is that Toastboy asked questions of a player asking for a replacement. Why couldn't he have been trying to glean information before Chaos left? Why is it such an incredible scumtell as to make you do your about face?
Oh, did I mention: Vote: kpaca?
Mod, can we have a votecount, please?
What are you getting some sort of personal satisfaction out of this or something??? I love how we are now starting the second wagon on someone that is based on no scumtells.
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Unvote; vote: kpaca. The links between these two players are well demonstrated and they are bothering me greatly. It seems like nothing can be said about or to one of them without the other leaping to his defense. It's not a masonry - it's just scumbuddying.
I listed my reasons for why you are scummy in 188. They are only magnified by your recent behavior. Your failure to take a stance on TFO until directly called to do so multiple times, your most recent post to Cantripmancer, and everything about your play this game calls out for a vote.
I will stop at nothing to see one of either kpaca or TFO lynched.
Kpaca, the 'thought I posted' is true. Pressed the button and logged out, obviously it didn't work.
show me where you condemned this line of thinking please.
If you want to shift focus to me 'because' of my slip up, why did you not cite that as a reason for a vote until I provoked you?
Not only do I not understand what you're asking me in the first 3 sentence fragments, but the final question is a blatant misrep and proof you are making stuff up and not reading.
At least we agree that AI is being scummy. Plus, he was online after I pointed this out, and didn't post. But, you still find this less scummy thatn me apparently not reading the thread enough?
BTW, is your main 'evidence' that I was not reading the thread that you think I didn't realise Chaos was replacing?
Unvote; vote: kpaca. The links between these two players are well demonstrated and they are bothering me greatly. It seems like nothing can be said about or to one of them without the other leaping to his defense. It's not a masonry - it's just scumbuddying.
I listed my reasons for why you are scummy in 188. They are only magnified by your recent behavior. Your failure to take a stance on TFO until directly called to do so multiple times, your most recent post to Cantripmancer, and everything about your play this game calls out for a vote.
I will stop at nothing to see one of either kpaca or TFO lynched.
See I knew this would happen when you got here. "I will stop at nothing to see blah blah blah". Look here. I took a stance on TFO and questioned him early. I however knew what he was doing and found him not scummy. Saying I won't take a stance is a blatant lie. I do like how failure to agree with a wagon=clear scumbuddy. At least I have the sanctity of mind to know this is my absolute last foray into the newb/basic game field. I can't take it anymore, at least when I'm acting crazy in other games the arguments make sense for the most part.
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TFO (good friend)
Makingnotches (banned, not relevant)
Weaver (suspended, likely not relevant)
Ecophagy (talked to him like once when I threatened to destroy his hometown)
Guardman (good friend)
Psi (good friend)
Weedmonkey (basically convinced me to move to Australia)
There you go, for historical sake.
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What are you getting some sort of personal satisfaction out of this or something??? I love how we are now starting the second wagon on someone that is based on no scumtells.
Yeah, saw this coming. No, nothing personal about it. I feel like you've acted dodgy all game, I've called you on it, and you dodge the questions that I put to you. "No scumtells"?
Yeah, saw this coming. No, nothing personal about it. I feel like you've acted dodgy all game, I've called you on it, and you dodge the questions that I put to you. "No scumtells"?
I believe you then, just checking. You did vote for me 3 times in two posts you know ;).
List the scumtells then please. I will tell you even if existent, they are shoddy at best.
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However, I do see several things kpaca has done as suspicious:
1) "Toast is town." followed by "Erm, strike that town comment, Toast is suspicious as hell, and gets my vote."
2) Defending TFO.
3) The conversation between TFO and kpaca explaining TFO's playstyle wherein kpaca is "aware" of what TFO is doing, but still expresses confusion and indignation.
4) Not answering multiple questions multiple times.
I didn't ask why you weren't picking TFO apart, I asked why you would nitpick one player's deviations and pan on another's. You're good at that nitpicking thing, and you'll base whole swaths of votes off a gut feeling, but when TFO evades questions left and right, you're like "Wut, scummy? Tut and nonsense."
And I still don't see how the link between "Toast: Obvious town" and "Toast: Scum gets my Vote" is that Toastboy asked questions of a player asking for a replacement. Why couldn't he have been trying to glean information before Chaos left? Why is it such an incredible scumtell as to make you do your about face?
Those would be the parts where I already outlined why I think you're scum, and you're still like "Huh? Accusations? You made some?"
Yeah, those first 4.......are terrible. And I have answered you peoples multiple questions, multiple times.
As for your next couple questions, clearly my first statement about Toastboy was foolish on my part, however I wasn't about to let a wagon start for stupid reasons (unfortunately it happened on someone else anyway, and is now starting again). Second, if you read his post it was not worded as trying to get answers before he left. It was worded as him not realizing, and he recently admitted it was a slip up. Third, I didn't say it was an incredible scumtell, but it's certainly more of a scumtell than anything we have on anybody else at the moment, except for maybe scummy AsianInvasion.
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Bilbro, in #229 you seem fairly convinced of Kpaca's scumminess, yet don't vote. Care to elaborate?
Because I wasn't completely convinced then that he was scum. I was about 65%. Now I'm 95%, based on evidence brought forth by Cantrip. Vote: KPaca.
No one vote now, I want him to claim first.
Also: AsianInvasion and Chris, could one of you change your avatars, They look kind of similar and I really don't want to vote one of you if I meant to vote the other one. That would just look scummy.
You really should stop making ridiculous demands such as "change avatars" and "give me snippets of your personal life". I find that to be inherently rude.
I am Abraham Lincoln, vanilla townie. I have some historical flavor about ending slavery and getting assasinated, and teh flavor for me being vanilla is "a president is nothing without his people (i'm assuming the cabinet), and since you have no people, you're vanilla".
And I will not roll over and die like TFO wants too, because if I'm going to be lynched for what amounts to the worst reasons I've ever seen then I will have no part in it.
As a final not people who are most likely scum:
AI
Toast
Bilbo Baggins with that chef hat, aka, bilbroxain.
Good day to you suh.
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You really should stop making ridiculous demands such as "change avatars" and "give me snippets of your personal life". I find that to be inherently rude.
What? It's unreasonable that I don't want to get them confused, and therefore screwup? Sorry, I identify people by avatars, not actually by names.
I am Abraham Lincoln, vanilla townie. I have some historical flavor about ending slavery and getting assasinated, and teh flavor for me being vanilla is "a president is nothing without his people (i'm assuming the cabinet), and since you have no people, you're vanilla".
Understandable claim. i have no qualms here.
And I will not roll over and die like TFO wants too, because if I'm going to be lynched for what amounts to the worst reasons I've ever seen then I will have no part in it.
This speaks in your favor, good sir. I thank you for not quitting.
As a final not people who are most likely scum:
AI
Toast
Bilbo Baggins with that chef hat, aka, bilbroxain.
How about this then: AI is fencesitting like he's getting paid for it. This is exactly how he played in his only other game, where he was scum. He also has ingored this point against him, much like he did in Hip Hop mafia.
Furthermore: unvote: Vote bilbroxain.
Because I'm clearly flailing scum.
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The Fallen One - 5
ced395, cantripmancer, zindabad, CasualThor, Toastboy
Toastboy - 1
kpaca
Not Voting - 6
ChrisXIV, The Fallen One, Drakoguard, the Semantimancer, Bilbroxain, AsianInvasion
with 12 players alive, it is 7 votes to lynch.
Note: all twelve players have posted within the last 48 hours, so no prods are deemed necessary
Naturally. I often spice up my monologues with some dramatic license.
Ironic, given that you came close to killing yourself in Newb 30 (which probably would have led to a Mafia win).
As for the recent posts, I find kpaca more suspicious every (irl) day, given his continued support for TFO.
The arguments against TFO are not weak; TFO's "defense" is weak.
Either TFO is scum and is unsuccessfully attempting to deflect the town's attention, or he is town deliberately dragging down the game so he can "try on a new hat." Either way, a lynch or a replacement seems in order if he doesn't cooperate with the reasonable requests of other players. (content? zomg ugaiz!)
As such:
FoS kpaca
@Zinda: You do need to consider he made the meta argument, then got wagoned. I realized what he was doing from the beginning.
@AsianInvasion: Funny. The only game you were in you were scum, and you got pegged as obvious scum for your blatant fence sitting. Maybe you havn't learned eh?? FOS: AsianInvasion
Kpaca, you really do seem like you are defending TFO way too much. why?
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Fine then why do you believe TFO to not be scum?
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This is outlined in post 199. I'll repeat it or elaborate on something if you'd like.
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Bolded. Also, could you link to the post where TFO planned this, or copy from a PM or something, just for the sake of extra proof?
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Reading is tech. Writing is, too.
How about the bolded part? What arguments are weak and why? What points did Ced "conjure"?
Bil sarnath'd me on this, but requesting a PM copy? Seriously, Bil?
Something wrong with covering my bases?
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First off, why didn't TFO say that kpaca was the one he had talked to? It seems possible to me that if TFO were scum (I'm speaking hypothetically), and were kpaca scum (again, hypothetical), and TFO thought that his playstyle was going to get him in trouble, he could say that he's been experimenting and say "Someone on this thread knows this already, because I talked to them." Then kpaca could take that as a cue to say that it was, in fact, him who TFO referred to, even though no such conversation happened.
I suppose, as Bilbro said, checking bases.
Second, it still bothers me that it took at least four questions (I can think of the initial question, and the three asked by zind) before TFO would say who he was talking about. One question not giving a direct answer, I can understand. But four? And from different users? Not really scummy as much as... troublesome, I suppose. Still, I thought I'd throw that out there.
If you plan to stay with us, I would like to see you change to a "pro-town" playstyle, TFO - try Pale Mage's on for size - and then give your scumlist, or try to provide some content. We're just spinning our wheels talking about you until you decide whether to give up and get lynched or to play the game.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
I would never replace someone into this situation.
@kpaca: at least when I get lynched you look much better in the eyes of everyone.
Unless, of course, you are scum. Then kpaca's name goes down the ****ter.
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Could you please stop with the defeatism and try to contribute? It's not like you're confirmed scum, or people aren't going to unvote if you start showing signs of pro-town mentality. Although with WIFOM like that line @kpaca, you're not doing yourself any favors.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
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That said I think Toastboy should post more.
Your sarcasm is dripping heavily. But you have no defense?
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Do you know how hard it is to read someone when all they are doing is repeating what the person before has said already? I can't accuse everyone of barning. I'm not scum but it seems that there is no way of convincing anyone here otherwise, nothing I do from here is going to be seen pro-town based on the nature of the game, kpaca is not my scum buddy and I have no ties to him other than being good friends and talking over aim.
Right now Bilbroxain is looking scummy, he accuses kpaca of being scum just because someone else has mentioned there is a chance, and has nothing else on him but "scummy vibes". It seems that kapca is the only one in this game who hasnt blindly followed ced, judging by kpaca's play in other games I think this is the townest he has looked in any game I've seen.
Take it how you want but the bottom line is that it's the truth.
Indirect flavour:
I am Winston Churchill, the Prime Minister of Britain during WW2. I'm know for "triumphing over evil" in 1945, I am known for my speeches, my V for victory sign and my British bulldog attitude.
Flavour enough for you?
I actually was hoping kpaca wouldn't confirm, but being tha man he is, he did, I guess trying something new on salvation is the ultimate scum tell.
The bandwagon based only on things ced said was amazing, I was utterly shocked.
Wait, you are bringing like and dislike into a mafia game? trust me, if I did this I would rack up infractions like no other, please try to keep personal feelings out of mafia games please, it wont end well for anyone.
Please elaborate on what you mean here.
Plenty to respond to here. It's perfectly plausible that Churchill could be in the balloon with us, but I don't see why that makes TFO's claim believable. Vanilla claims in basic games are meaningless.
TFO saying "I'm town" is a...shall we say "homage" to Seppel. If you haven't played a game with him yet, you should try it. Fascinating experience. He's a great D1 information lynch. Contributing very little, has an obvious link to another player, defeastist attitude.
I wasn't saying you were actually editing your posts, but that you were going back and trying to claim one of your posts was saying something that it wasn't, i.e. when you told kpaca you were trying to convince chaos not to replace out when your post gave no hint of such.
Yeah, it was Noob 27 and it was terrible. "I know this player is town" is a bad scumtell. That's why we should lynch TFO, check results, then go after kpaca.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
You are really good at asking bad questions.
Noted.
Defending the defender.
Deflecting attention rather than defending self (defeatism again).
I'd say Bilb gives off a sense of rather than :evil:.
Hardcore defending the defender.
Defending the defender's misplay. More unnecessary sarcasm.
I went down this ponder-path, as well, but wasn't sure that there was any way to prove/disprove it.
This was one of the things that kept my vote on TFO: constant evasion of the question. It's not just, as kpaca insinuates, "not answering a question." It's avoiding it altogether, multiple times that sets off my scumdar.
Defeatists get lynched. Be productive/townie/scumhunter.
I concur with the general theory of doing this for everyone, but kpaca, you can't tell me that scumtells don't sometimes come in pairs (or aren't identified through the interaction of two or more scum in a thread). Association with/protection of scum will lead to suspicions. If you lie with dogs, and all that...
Do you know how hard it is to read someone when all they are doing is avoiding the question?
If you're town, scumhunt. Do something proactive. Don't just sit back and let us hammer you to death. We're not going to be excited to mislynch, and it's only going to play into the hands of the scum. If you're being attacked, fight back! Use logic to identify others who are acting scummy, then pick apart their posts. You're not, unfortunately, going to be able to do this with one-liners and emoticons...
It could also be argued that kpaca is the only one defending you when you really are acting scummy. In that light, kpaca becomes suspicious. Add to that his "Toast is certainly town....no wait, he asked questions of a replacer, he's scum!!!" and I can see some scummy vibes. Especially since he continues to not answer questions (kpaca, see the bottom of this post for more...)
I know you didn't mean "<[kpaca] trying to save TFO by drawing attention back to Toastboy> is the truth." But the only other interpretation that I can find in there is that <kpaca's reason for voting for Toastboy being weak> is the truth. What, exactly, did you mean by this statement?
Thank you. That fits in, for the most part, with what I would have expected, based on my own PM info. I can find no issue with your claim.
I disagree. But it hasn't taken me long to determine that previous games are fair game for gleaning information on a particular player's posting style. If you suddenly switch from one to the other, people are going to ask questions. If you switch from a high-intensity, high-word count playstyle to kpaca's or Seppel's, it's going to be especially noticable, and, since less verbage is actually forthcoming, it's easy to see it as reticent, inanxious to post in detail, and hence, scummy. Trying something new = good...but you'd best be prepared for some fallout.
Um, actually, kpaca and I have (in a previous game) travelled the road of personal feelings to dictate game actions, and it ended in epic fail for the town. I'm very against that. Seppel, on the other hand, is another story completely. I've never been in a game with Seppel, and I may opt out of any game that I get forced into with Seppel, because every game I've read with Seppel in it, I can't get past his 100% abrasive attitude and ego-the-size-of-Kong's-testicles. I recently read a game where he came under attack, and quickly devolved to a vulgarity-spewing pain, hurling insults and flaming everyone...and he was TOWN!! I can't see that game environment being enjoyed, and for you to try to emulate that...is scary.
I'm used to a claim being a name and some flavor elements. The name is something easily fabricated/guessed at, but the flavor and the way it's reported can be telling. I was surprised to just get a name claim.
The name and flavor are believable in this game; claiming vanilla town doesn't give any more or less weight to a player's rep in the game.
"Fascinating" is not the adjective I'd use.
This feels odd to me. Will you detail your reasoning for suggesting this plan of action?
I'm beginning to suspect kpaca more and more, although I'm reluctant to start down that path because I don't want to feel that my previous experience with him is clouding my judgement. However, I do see several things kpaca has done as suspicious:
1) "Toast is town." followed by "Erm, strike that town comment, Toast is suspicious as hell, and gets my vote."
2) Defending TFO.
3) The following conversation:
This is small, and probably doesn't mean much, but if kpaca was well-aware of TFO's plan to experiment, why would he think that TFO was comparing him to Seppel?
The second one, I believe, you responded to here:
So, to restate, because I don't want any misunderstanding as to which questions I'm asking:
1) It has been noted by multiple people that TFO seemed to be avoiding a question, and the fingering of Ced through his eventual answer of "I thought it was obvious" wasn't obvious to me. Why are you so willing to write off his multiple question-avoidances as a "misunderstanding" or "obviousness" instead of examining it like you do with other miniscule scumtells?
2) Do you honestly believe that Toastboy's questioning of Chaos post-replacement-request was a violation severe enough to warrant going from "Toast's town, people" to "vote toast"?
Vote: Kpaca
Reasoning:
I find him almost as scummy as TFO, but the fact that zindabad, who I still have a FoS on, strongly supports a TFO lynch makes me think that we should wait on that.
Let me answer your questions, which should be obvious.
1.) I'm not picking apart TFO because I don't think he's scum.
2.) Clearly the answer is yes. Why else would I have voted.
First: TFO is a boy
Second: I like the "oh I though I had posted business". You are still not paying attention
Third: I told you so would be a good thing, except if you were reading you'd see I already condemned that line of thinking.
Your 100% correct I want to shift focus to you for your slip up. Which I see you are now recognizing as a slip up.
Wow, you finally jump off the fence when someone brings it up Super FOS: AsianInvasion. You're playing just like the fence sitting scum you played in Hip Hop Mafia.
Because Ced's arguments and logic moved the wagon. You may have placed the first vote but you clearly didn't start the wagon.
Oh, did I mention: Vote: kpaca?
Mod, can we have a votecount, please?
Vote: kpaca
What are you getting some sort of personal satisfaction out of this or something??? I love how we are now starting the second wagon on someone that is based on no scumtells.
I listed my reasons for why you are scummy in 188. They are only magnified by your recent behavior. Your failure to take a stance on TFO until directly called to do so multiple times, your most recent post to Cantripmancer, and everything about your play this game calls out for a vote.
I will stop at nothing to see one of either kpaca or TFO lynched.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Not only do I not understand what you're asking me in the first 3 sentence fragments, but the final question is a blatant misrep and proof you are making stuff up and not reading.
Yes, and yes.
What are you D_V's gimmick or something?? I've answered all my questions.
See I knew this would happen when you got here. "I will stop at nothing to see blah blah blah". Look here. I took a stance on TFO and questioned him early. I however knew what he was doing and found him not scummy. Saying I won't take a stance is a blatant lie. I do like how failure to agree with a wagon=clear scumbuddy. At least I have the sanctity of mind to know this is my absolute last foray into the newb/basic game field. I can't take it anymore, at least when I'm acting crazy in other games the arguments make sense for the most part.
For future reference in case it ever comes up on my life again, here are the people on MTGS I talk to on AIM:
TFO (good friend)
Makingnotches (banned, not relevant)
Weaver (suspended, likely not relevant)
Ecophagy (talked to him like once when I threatened to destroy his hometown)
Guardman (good friend)
Psi (good friend)
Weedmonkey (basically convinced me to move to Australia)
There you go, for historical sake.
Yeah, saw this coming. No, nothing personal about it. I feel like you've acted dodgy all game, I've called you on it, and you dodge the questions that I put to you. "No scumtells"?
I believe you then, just checking. You did vote for me 3 times in two posts you know ;).
List the scumtells then please. I will tell you even if existent, they are shoddy at best.
Um, did you miss (blued parts edits for clarity's sake):
and
Those would be the parts where I already outlined why I think you're scum, and you're still like "Huh? Accusations? You made some?"
As for your next couple questions, clearly my first statement about Toastboy was foolish on my part, however I wasn't about to let a wagon start for stupid reasons (unfortunately it happened on someone else anyway, and is now starting again). Second, if you read his post it was not worded as trying to get answers before he left. It was worded as him not realizing, and he recently admitted it was a slip up. Third, I didn't say it was an incredible scumtell, but it's certainly more of a scumtell than anything we have on anybody else at the moment, except for maybe scummy AsianInvasion.
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kpaca - 4
Cantripmancer, Zindabad, Toastboy, AsianInvasion
The Fallen One - 2
ced395, CasualThor
Toastboy - 1
kpaca
Not Voting - 5
ChrisXIV, The Fallen One, Drakoguard, The Semantimancer, Bilbroxain
With twelve alive, its 7 votes to lynch.
Does it matter?? Toastboy claimed to do it, but it's really irrelevant. You led the wagon.
Because I wasn't completely convinced then that he was scum. I was about 65%. Now I'm 95%, based on evidence brought forth by Cantrip. Vote: KPaca.
No one vote now, I want him to claim first.
Also: AsianInvasion and Chris, could one of you change your avatars, They look kind of similar and I really don't want to vote one of you if I meant to vote the other one. That would just look scummy.
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I am Abraham Lincoln, vanilla townie. I have some historical flavor about ending slavery and getting assasinated, and teh flavor for me being vanilla is "a president is nothing without his people (i'm assuming the cabinet), and since you have no people, you're vanilla".
And I will not roll over and die like TFO wants too, because if I'm going to be lynched for what amounts to the worst reasons I've ever seen then I will have no part in it.
As a final not people who are most likely scum:
AI
Toast
Bilbo Baggins with that chef hat, aka, bilbroxain.
Good day to you suh.
What? It's unreasonable that I don't want to get them confused, and therefore screwup? Sorry, I identify people by avatars, not actually by names.
Understandable claim. i have no qualms here.
This speaks in your favor, good sir. I thank you for not quitting.
I'm assuming you meant "note", and why?
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AI: Read Hip Hop mafia and tell me this isnt' the exact same gameplay.
Toast: Duh
You: Barning mostly.
And then you will accuse me of barning. slick. I tend to not play continous gameplay over multiple games seriously.
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You've got to be joking me.
How about this then: AI is fencesitting like he's getting paid for it. This is exactly how he played in his only other game, where he was scum. He also has ingored this point against him, much like he did in Hip Hop mafia.
Furthermore: unvote: Vote bilbroxain.
Because I'm clearly flailing scum.