The only way spot could possibly be town is if he targeted Dagger night 1, and simply decided to lie about it as town. In other words, it's a nonexistent possibility.
Perhaps you don't realize this, but he's being lynched today.
Perhaps you don't realize this, but he's being lynched today.
What was the point of that post? To antagonize me for no reason? For someone who harassed me about making a post I "shouldn't have made" in regards to the Cyan/DYH scuffle, you sure do like to make a lot of useless posts yourself.
What was the point of that post? To antagonize me for no reason?
To inquire (without a question mark - so maybe it was rhetorical) why you still feel the need to push the wagon.
For someone who harassed me about making a post I "shouldn't have made" in regards to the Cyan/DYH scuffle, you sure do like to make a lot of useless posts yourself.
Gaming the mod is only a minor part of my reasoning. goatrevolt claims that you targeted Dagger on N1 - a night on which nobody died, and when DYH claims to have protected Dagger. You claim that you didn't target anyone. This means that, barring Ged giving false information to goatrevolt, one of the two of you are lying. goatrevolt has given assurances that he is not misinterpreting the info from Ged, and him coming out like that isn't a mafia action - they're already down two members, and wouldn't want to take a 1-for-1 on a random person. Most likely explanation is that you are lying, then. The rest of what I mentioned is icing on the cake.
Can you clarify without providing too much in detail - does this match the description I gave before of the block on me N1 (zapped with electricity)? If yes, I'd appreciate you saying so.
Much as I hate to draw fire on myself, you still have no proof that I'm not a SK, especially after the N1 block. Any argument that I have scumbuddies in this game, though, is most likely to be hilariously off-base.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
Before everyone has even finished sitting down, goatrevolt speaks up. "Let's get spotofprey! He's evil; I caught him in the act." Heads nod in approval. Spotofprey looks as if he's about to protest, but giant metal restraints spring from the meeting table and hold him to his seat. He's startled at first, but quickly turns to a look of misery and acceptance. "Anything to say for yourself?" goatrevolt asks him.
He spits in goatrevolt's face.
Spotofprey AKA The Chaos Pope (Mafia Goon) has been lynched.
It is now night 3. Actions are due by the end of Monday (CST), and day 4 will start shortly after that. These dates could come sooner if I get all actions in early.
11 chairs this morning. Alfred asks you to take your seats as the table fills everyone on new developments.
"GOOD MORNING," says a crude robot voice that emminates from the table. A holographic image emerges from the center showing a picture of RobRoy, dead in the billiards room with his head cut open with the brain exposed. A look of terror and an eternal scream is captured on his face. "ANALYSIS OF ROOM HAS DETERMINED IDENTITY." RobRoy AKA David Dunn (Town Bodyguard) has been killed.
"SECOND MISSING PERSON FOUND." The image switches to DYH lying next to his bed. He's fried to the bone. DYH AKA Isaac Mendez (Town One Shot Protector) has been killed.
Abandon Hope
andelijah
CropCircles
Infinis
JqlGirl
Roja
The Mad Tapper
Vote JqlGirl for now, TMT close behind. More Wed/Friday.
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I agree with loran's list with the exception of myself and CropCircles. Not sure if I'm going to agree with his order he wants to pursue them as of now, but the list is pretty good.
I'm reasonably sure that Infinis is the serial killer. I've disliked his play, and he was roleblocked night 1, when both kills were missing. One has been accounted for (spotofprey on Dagger), but the other hasn't. DYH and RobRoy were protective roles, and I don't think there are any more out there, which leaves Tilde's roleblock preventing Infinis' kill.
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Cubus, Dagger, goatrevolt, and CropCircles are all pretty clear.
I agree with loran's list with the exception of myself and CropCircles. Not sure if I'm going to agree with his order he wants to pursue them as of now, but the list is pretty good.
I'm reasonably sure that Infinis is the serial killer. I've disliked his play, and he was roleblocked night 1, when both kills were missing. One has been accounted for (spotofprey on Dagger), but the other hasn't. DYH and RobRoy were protective roles, and I don't think there are any more out there, which leaves Tilde's roleblock preventing Infinis' kill.
Vote: Infinis
Cubus, Dagger, goatrevolt, and CropCircles are all pretty clear.
Funny, we didn't think that cropcircles was clear. I don't think so either. Not necessarily saying he's on my list, but what puts him up there?
Also, not convinced on infinis.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
Eh, it's not gonna take a rocket scientist to figure out that it is role based, given our signals at the start of day 2.
I'd prefer not to say more then that, but I'm confident we can limit our search to:
Abandon Hope
loran16
Infinis
JqlGirl
Roja
The Mad Tapper
Normally, this would be a pretty tight pool, but 3 down already mean probably not more then three left. Maybe only two.
I clearly need to re-read, because I can't remember if Infinis claimed or not, and I remember having a super cool reason to think he was town. I'll get back to you.
Im pretty positive that Infinis is town still. And no, AH. You don't get to fish.
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Im pretty positive that Infinis is town still. And no, AH. You don't get to fish.
I just remembered that it was his sidekick theory that made me think he was town, initially, but that doesn't work so well against the accusation that he is an SK, and we do have an unexplained missing kill.
I just remembered that it was his sidekick theory that made me think he was town, initially, but that doesn't work so well against the accusation that he is an SK, and we do have an unexplained missing kill.
I think it works fine for him not being SK personally. SK's usually are flavorful roles, and i find little reason to think this game doesn't have some flavor at WHY the SK is doing this...and if the SK was a sidekick, i'd doubt that flavor wouldn't mention it (and thus make him suspect not everyone is a sidekick). I could be wrong, but i still think his play and foolish focus on setup speculation is innocent naivete, not scummy.
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I think it works fine for him not being SK personally. SK's usually are flavorful roles, and i find little reason to think this game doesn't have some flavor at WHY the SK is doing this...and if the SK was a sidekick, i'd doubt that flavor wouldn't mention it (and thus make him suspect not everyone is a sidekick). I could be wrong, but i still think his play and foolish focus on setup speculation is innocent naivete, not scummy.
I'm not sure why being town would give him significantly more flavor or reason to believe everyone in the game is a sidekick.
I'm reasonably sure that Infinis is the serial killer. I've disliked his play, and he was roleblocked night 1, when both kills were missing. One has been accounted for (spotofprey on Dagger), but the other hasn't. DYH and RobRoy were protective roles, and I don't think there are any more out there, which leaves Tilde's roleblock preventing Infinis' kill.
Ok. What's with all the smilies and everything? Don't we have anything constructive to say?
We'll need from you a list of all players you are suspecting to be scums, and players you believed to be town, as well as an overall opinion of the current situation in this game.
I think it works fine for him not being SK personally. SK's usually are flavorful roles, and i find little reason to think this game doesn't have some flavor at WHY the SK is doing this...and if the SK was a sidekick, i'd doubt that flavor wouldn't mention it (and thus make him suspect not everyone is a sidekick). I could be wrong, but i still think his play and foolish focus on setup speculation is innocent naivete, not scummy.
Or he could be Batman who is all pissed off cause Robin gets all the ladies, so he decided to fake his death and kill everyone, from which Infinis figured that "everyone" means sidekicks.
See, I can make something up to fit my arguement too.
The important part is that the theory sounded genuine, and usually isn't the type of thing a newb would fake, and if he were Mafia, he would know several character's roles and probably deduce that we were not all Sidekicks. Being SK means he knows only his role, which means the idea doesn't apply. You can make up possible flavor all day, but there's absolutely no way to know what the SK's flavor is.
Or he could be Batman who is all pissed off cause Robin gets all the ladies, so he decided to fake his death and kill everyone, from which Infinis figured that "everyone" means sidekicks.
Fine, but beside that, i'm reading him as solid town with all his useless play (setup speculation.)
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I'm more disturbed by Infinis' pattern. He's stuck to extremely safe posts since there was pressure.
Vote: Infinis.
Safe play is definitely scummy play. You're on the suspects list, aggressive play to deflect town attention from yourself? No, aggressive play is definitively town play if your reason to vote me is to believed. A reread of you is in order.
I agree with loran's list with the exception of myself and CropCircles. Not sure if I'm going to agree with his order he wants to pursue them as of now, but the list is pretty good.
I'm reasonably sure that Infinis is the serial killer. I've disliked his play, and he was roleblocked night 1, when both kills were missing. One has been accounted for (spotofprey on Dagger), but the other hasn't. DYH and RobRoy were protective roles, and I don't think there are any more out there, which leaves Tilde's roleblock preventing Infinis' kill.
Vote: Infinis
Cubus, Dagger, goatrevolt, and CropCircles are all pretty clear.
I assume you are referring to this post when exonerating the above? But I do not see Crop Circle being cleared. As per above, I am rereading.
I am not a SK, any reason insisting that there is one? Any reason there can not be more blockers? Perhaps there is an unkillable role, in a superhero game seems more than feasible.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Safe play is definitely scummy play. You're on the suspects list, aggressive play to deflect town attention from yourself? No, aggressive play is definitively town play if your reason to vote me is to believed. A reread of you is in order.
For that matter, you are on the suspects' list as well, if you're referring to loran's list. Looking forward to your reread on AH.
Im pretty positive that Infinis is town still. And no, AH. You don't get to fish.
Yeah, I do. Cause if you want to claim neighbors with Ced, that's fine. You can get counterclaimed, or not. Otherwise its important to know what exactly you meant by we. You don't get to hide by behind fishing in this case. If I'm mafia, I'm assuming you're neighborly right now. I don't need you to claim. But I'm not. So I do.
So... you're agreeing with him? His vote is warranted?
You're on the suspects list, aggressive play to deflect town attention from yourself? No, aggressive play is definitively town play if your reason to vote me is to believed. A reread of you is in order.
A question - did you have any suspicion of Abandon Hope before this? Or is this another retaliatory case?
I assume you are referring to this post when exonerating the above? But I do not see Crop Circle being cleared.
'k.
I am not a SK, any reason insisting that there is one?
Two kills a night, and none of the targets were good vig targets (especially considering they did not target spotofprey). There is almost certainly a SK in this game.
Any reason there can not be more blockers? Perhaps there is an unkillable role, in a superhero game seems more than feasible.
It is all feasible, but not as likely. I doubt there would be another full town blocker, and if there was a 1-shot one, I'd have expected them to claim. The most likely alternative is probably another protective role, but with RobRoy and DYH, I still consider you being blocked the best explanation.
That being said, my reasons for suspecting you are mostly your play (OMGUSing everyone) and the block is just added potential. I would probably be voting you even if it weren't there.
Failure to answer this brings you back into my list of people most likely to be scums, because really, the list is very short right now.
At least you referred to the question this time. Bolding it really got my attention.
JqlGirl hasn't done anything that stood out as especially scummy. Considering Infinis and the slipping (or gambiting) Loran, my priorities are elsewhere.
the slipping (or gambiting) Loran, my priorities are elsewhere.
*eyebrow* Ahem, might i ask what this is supposed to imply?
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A mistake. I should imply nothing, and allow you to simply answer rather than seek avoidance by way of irrelevant details.
.....Umm, still not following. seek avoidance?
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Continual wishy-washy posts, lots of fence-sitting and waffling. Multiple times she has changed opinions based on nothing but popular opinion. Her posts today have been terrible too. I particularly loved the "don't we have anything constructive to say" bit. I'm gonna have to buy a new hypocrisy meter, cuz mine exploded when she said that. A notable oddity was SO's attacks on her at the end of Day 1 and beginning of Day 2. I had a hard time at first deciding if it was distancing or wagonning on SO's part, but I'm leaning distancing at this point.
Infinis
Reading back over the last few days, my opinion of him remains unchanged. I think the point about him being role-blocked Night 1 and there being no kills (when we've seen two kills each of the following nights) is worth considering. Note I suggested Day 1 that his approach to the Cyan wagon struck me as possibly indicative of neutral alignment. I think his posts overall feel like he's trying to look like he's contributing without actually contributing. And his suspicions have pretty much exclusively been directed at people who attack/criticize him. He's already started it again today with his jab at AH.
Abandon Hope
His posts have all been short and snipy, and haven't contributed much. The only notable exceptions were his posts at Dagger, which were terrible IMO.
andelijah
On the whole I was getting a town read from him until the whole SoP/GR bit. His stance there was pretty odd IMO, and it makes me suspicious of him. Of those on my list, he's the lowest.
Summary:
JqlGirl: Never commits to a stance, follows the crowd. Verdict: Probably Mafia
Infinis: Feigns contribution with useless speculation, wields OMGUS like a cudgel, overly concerned with his image, very reluctant to commit to a stance on Cyan's wagon. Verdict: Probably Mafia or SK, Definitely Non-Town
Abandon Hope: Shorty snipy posting, very poor attacks on Dagger. Verdict: Possibly Mafia
andelijah: Supported giving SoP a chance to shoot GR. Townie read up until then. Verdict: Uncertain, leaning Possibly Mafia
~Tilde~ : The Shoveler, Townie Roleblocker (Blocked RobRoy night 1, SpotofPrey night 2)
Abandon Hope : P / Female Other
andelijah : Y / Male / Other
ced395 : The Blue Raja, Townie Neighbor
CropCircles : E / Female / Other
Cubus : Rorschach, ???
Cyan : Badhorse, Mafia Ascetic, claimed Elastigirl, Untargetable Townie
Dagger : M / Male / Other
DYH : Isaac Mendez, Townie One Shot Protector - Gets to know the mafia's nightkill target before he submits action
goatrevolt : D / Male / Other, Watcher-like ability
Infinis : F / Male / Other
JqlGirl : H / Male / Other
loran16 : N / Male / DC
Numegil : Bluntman, Townie
RobRoy : David Dunn, Townie Bodyguard
Roja : T / Male / Marvel
Some One : The Underminer, Mafia Goon, claimed Sandman, Townie Miller
spotofprey : Chaos Pope, Mafia Goon (Attempted to kill Dagger night 1)
The Mad Tapper : S / Male / Other
I would like a name-claim from AH, andelijah, CC, Infinis, JqlGirl, loran16, Roja and TMT.
LOL Cubus I was already finishing up my info like you have above. (Spot claimed "Phillip" from some random comic.) Everything else you have there looks good.
Should we name claim? I think it would be good. As it appears that the scum have set up false claims/disguises and I wanna squash them asap.
I'm Thunderclap from the UK Marvel series.
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No, no, no, not JqlGirl. Not today. Remember when Some One started an offensive on JqlGirl at the start of day 2?
Oh and this isn't something that I would auto write off with Jqlgirl.. And I understand it's WIFOM but I could see that.. Someone COULD have been told to attack her.. (overnight that is.)
It is small things like this, that I really cant "clear" Jqlgirl because of the past.
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As I said, my PM had the wrong company it refered to me. (DC not marvel.) Im not a huge comic buff but I didn't realize the different company until later.
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"Not today", mostly because we have Infinis. Like I said either im ok with today.
And because he is at 4 votes with no response yet, I am holding my vote for him. So i'll wait for him to get back.
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At least you referred to the question this time. Bolding it really got my attention.
JqlGirl hasn't done anything that stood out as especially scummy. Considering Infinis and the slipping (or gambiting) Loran, my priorities are elsewhere.
I didn't think I have to bold it in the first place, especially since it isn't as useless as you claimed the previous Day 1 question was when I had to quote it for you.
If that is your opinion on Jql, I would like your thoughts on each of the point I listed out against Jql in that case of mine yesterday. For your convenience since I don't relish you asking where is it, I'll list it out here for you again down below.
I am interested in Jqlgirl because:
1. Her repeated need to be prodded to answer questions directed at her - she seemed unwilling to engage or even clarify the "misunderstanding" against her.
She ignored Ced's #768, again, despite being prodded by by Ced, again.
2. Her change of stance with regards to wagonning - Her opinion with regards to wagons on the beginning of Day 1 doesn't correspond with two things: her vote on Numegil (she said she'll only vote on a valid case) and the lack of vote on Cyan (when there was a case where a person's behavior doesn't correspond with his actions) - she claimed it was because she changed her mind opinion, which I think is a weak excuse.
Her rationale on something she would actually vote for, doesn't correspond to this:
And doesn't correspond to this:
3. Her lack of effort to scumhunt or participate in discussion - When she did post, it was either to clarify where were the questions directed at her (something she could easily search by herself), to answer said questions after repeated prodding, or to make some inane remarks on the game - When she didn't post, she didn't post, period, and then acted blur when she did come back.
It's Day 3 already, and the first post she had was:
Her possible saving grace:
1. Her repeated insistence that she's prone to changing her opinions despite all pressure on her - which I still think is weak.
2. The fact that SO continued to pursue her on Day 2 - which I don't think is much of a saving grace in her case, judging from the way SO made a natural progression of rationales in his post, from my reread of him.
Conclusion:
I think she is scum. And I'm not really interested in her responses, because I expect her to just disappear and when things have cooled down a bit, come back and say that she didn't see anything asked of her, so pretty please ask the questions again (add something about seeing them as comments and not questions). I am far more interested in hearing other people's responses on this, which I think people have been avoiding.
I can agree with the rationale that Infinis is the SK. The normal tells that pick out mafia from town don't really apply to SK due to their neutral alignment. Infinis is prominent in that his participation thus far revolves mostly around two things, his theory and his image. Both are not really helpful in scum-hunting, especially since his accusations or cases thus far were wielded against those who even took a single step in his direction. He could sound genuine in his belief precisely because he thought those after him were the mafia.
~Tilde~ : The Shoveler, Townie Roleblocker (Blocked RobRoy night 1, SpotofPrey night 2)
Abandon Hope : P / Female Other
andelijah : Y / Male / Other
ced395 : The Blue Raja, Townie Neighbor
CropCircles : E / Female / Other
Cubus : Rorschach, ???
Cyan : Badhorse, Mafia Ascetic, claimed Elastigirl, Untargetable Townie
Dagger : M / Male / Other
DYH : Isaac Mendez, Townie One Shot Protector - Gets to know the mafia's nightkill target before he submits action
goatrevolt : D / Male / Other, Watcher-like ability
Infinis : F / Male / Other
JqlGirl : H / Male / Other
loran16 : N / Male / DC
Numegil : Bluntman, Townie
RobRoy : David Dunn, Townie Bodyguard
Roja : T / Male / Marvel
Some One : The Underminer, Mafia Goon, claimed Sandman, Townie Miller
spotofprey : Chaos Pope, Mafia Goon (Attempted to kill Dagger night 1)
The Mad Tapper : S / Male / Other
I would like a name-claim from AH, andelijah, CC, Infinis, JqlGirl, loran16, Roja and TMT.
I'm up for this. I'm Nite Owl II.
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I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
What?! Civil war was the biggest event for marvel in a long time. It was in the main stream news when Spiderman revealed his secret idnetity.
If you don't know much about comics than how would you know to even doubt the correctness of the company?
It was when I started looking at "Civil war", I noticed that the company associated with it was Marvel.. Marvel isn't DC. (I knew at least that much.) And I knew I needed an answer from the host, which is why I asked him. Got my responce and posted it here.
All that stuff about spiderman I have no clue about..
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What was the point of that post? To antagonize me for no reason? For someone who harassed me about making a post I "shouldn't have made" in regards to the Cyan/DYH scuffle, you sure do like to make a lot of useless posts yourself.
Vote: Spot of Prey.
If lynching spot is all we're going to do, I can live with that.
My Dad just got out of the hospital, so I'll probably going to my parents house in a bit. Don't have time for anything else.
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Unvote, Vote spotofprey
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Well put, Vote: Spot of Prey
12-11? I'm losing track
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He spits in goatrevolt's face.
Spotofprey AKA The Chaos Pope (Mafia Goon) has been lynched.
Voutecount 14
goatrevolt - 1 (spotofprey)
JqlGirl - 1 (CropCircles)
spotofprey - 8 (The Mad Tapper, Cubus, RobRoy, goatrevolt, Abandon Hope, Crop Circles, infinis, loran16)
It is now night 3. Actions are due by the end of Monday (CST), and day 4 will start shortly after that. These dates could come sooner if I get all actions in early.
"GOOD MORNING," says a crude robot voice that emminates from the table. A holographic image emerges from the center showing a picture of RobRoy, dead in the billiards room with his head cut open with the brain exposed. A look of terror and an eternal scream is captured on his face. "ANALYSIS OF ROOM HAS DETERMINED IDENTITY." RobRoy AKA David Dunn (Town Bodyguard) has been killed.
"SECOND MISSING PERSON FOUND." The image switches to DYH lying next to his bed. He's fried to the bone. DYH AKA Isaac Mendez (Town One Shot Protector) has been killed.
"ALL PERSONS ACCOUNTED FOR. DEBATE MAY BEGIN."
It is now day 4. With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.
Back to the list:
Abandon Hope
andelijah
CropCircles
Infinis
JqlGirl
Roja
The Mad Tapper
Vote JqlGirl for now, TMT close behind. More Wed/Friday.
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Vote: Infinis.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
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I'm reasonably sure that Infinis is the serial killer. I've disliked his play, and he was roleblocked night 1, when both kills were missing. One has been accounted for (spotofprey on Dagger), but the other hasn't. DYH and RobRoy were protective roles, and I don't think there are any more out there, which leaves Tilde's roleblock preventing Infinis' kill.
Vote: Infinis
Cubus, Dagger, goatrevolt, and CropCircles are all pretty clear.
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Funny, we didn't think that cropcircles was clear. I don't think so either. Not necessarily saying he's on my list, but what puts him up there?
Also, not convinced on infinis.
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My superb intuition, obviously.
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I'd prefer not to say more then that, but I'm confident we can limit our search to:
Abandon Hope
loran16
Infinis
JqlGirl
Roja
The Mad Tapper
Normally, this would be a pretty tight pool, but 3 down already mean probably not more then three left. Maybe only two.
I clearly need to re-read, because I can't remember if Infinis claimed or not, and I remember having a super cool reason to think he was town. I'll get back to you.
[The Family]
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Any reason you'd like to share?
[The Family]
I think it works fine for him not being SK personally. SK's usually are flavorful roles, and i find little reason to think this game doesn't have some flavor at WHY the SK is doing this...and if the SK was a sidekick, i'd doubt that flavor wouldn't mention it (and thus make him suspect not everyone is a sidekick). I could be wrong, but i still think his play and foolish focus on setup speculation is innocent naivete, not scummy.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
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Your opinion on Jqlgirl? Do you know something about Infinis that we don't?
Yay! Hope to hear from you soon.
Let's hear what Infinis has to say about this.
Maybe 4.
We'll need from you a list of all players you are suspecting to be scums, and players you believed to be town, as well as an overall opinion of the current situation in this game.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
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Indeed. It's sort of a final testament, so to speak. It may or may not get you killed.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
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Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
See, I can make something up to fit my arguement too.
The important part is that the theory sounded genuine, and usually isn't the type of thing a newb would fake, and if he were Mafia, he would know several character's roles and probably deduce that we were not all Sidekicks. Being SK means he knows only his role, which means the idea doesn't apply. You can make up possible flavor all day, but there's absolutely no way to know what the SK's flavor is.
[The Family]
Fine, but beside that, i'm reading him as solid town with all his useless play (setup speculation.)
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Safe play is definitely scummy play. You're on the suspects list, aggressive play to deflect town attention from yourself? No, aggressive play is definitively town play if your reason to vote me is to believed. A reread of you is in order.
I assume you are referring to this post when exonerating the above? But I do not see Crop Circle being cleared. As per above, I am rereading.
I am not a SK, any reason insisting that there is one? Any reason there can not be more blockers? Perhaps there is an unkillable role, in a superhero game seems more than feasible.
12-11? I'm losing track
For that matter, you are on the suspects' list as well, if you're referring to loran's list. Looking forward to your reread on AH.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
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Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Failure to answer this brings you back into my list of people most likely to be scums, because really, the list is very short right now.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
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Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
A question - did you have any suspicion of Abandon Hope before this? Or is this another retaliatory case?
'k.
Two kills a night, and none of the targets were good vig targets (especially considering they did not target spotofprey). There is almost certainly a SK in this game.
It is all feasible, but not as likely. I doubt there would be another full town blocker, and if there was a 1-shot one, I'd have expected them to claim. The most likely alternative is probably another protective role, but with RobRoy and DYH, I still consider you being blocked the best explanation.
That being said, my reasons for suspecting you are mostly your play (OMGUSing everyone) and the block is just added potential. I would probably be voting you even if it weren't there.
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JqlGirl hasn't done anything that stood out as especially scummy. Considering Infinis and the slipping (or gambiting) Loran, my priorities are elsewhere.
*eyebrow* Ahem, might i ask what this is supposed to imply?
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
.....Umm, still not following. seek avoidance?
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
JqlGirl
Continual wishy-washy posts, lots of fence-sitting and waffling. Multiple times she has changed opinions based on nothing but popular opinion. Her posts today have been terrible too. I particularly loved the "don't we have anything constructive to say" bit. I'm gonna have to buy a new hypocrisy meter, cuz mine exploded when she said that. A notable oddity was SO's attacks on her at the end of Day 1 and beginning of Day 2. I had a hard time at first deciding if it was distancing or wagonning on SO's part, but I'm leaning distancing at this point.
Infinis
Reading back over the last few days, my opinion of him remains unchanged. I think the point about him being role-blocked Night 1 and there being no kills (when we've seen two kills each of the following nights) is worth considering. Note I suggested Day 1 that his approach to the Cyan wagon struck me as possibly indicative of neutral alignment. I think his posts overall feel like he's trying to look like he's contributing without actually contributing. And his suspicions have pretty much exclusively been directed at people who attack/criticize him. He's already started it again today with his jab at AH.
Abandon Hope
His posts have all been short and snipy, and haven't contributed much. The only notable exceptions were his posts at Dagger, which were terrible IMO.
andelijah
On the whole I was getting a town read from him until the whole SoP/GR bit. His stance there was pretty odd IMO, and it makes me suspicious of him. Of those on my list, he's the lowest.
Summary:
JqlGirl: Never commits to a stance, follows the crowd. Verdict: Probably Mafia
Infinis: Feigns contribution with useless speculation, wields OMGUS like a cudgel, overly concerned with his image, very reluctant to commit to a stance on Cyan's wagon. Verdict: Probably Mafia or SK, Definitely Non-Town
Abandon Hope: Shorty snipy posting, very poor attacks on Dagger. Verdict: Possibly Mafia
andelijah: Supported giving SoP a chance to shoot GR. Townie read up until then. Verdict: Uncertain, leaning Possibly Mafia
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
vote Infinis
I think there's a reasonable chance he's the SK, and so of those on my list I prefer to lynch him first.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
The points brought up about Infinis is direct, and I agree with them. It is a very logical method of thinking.
@ Infinis, are you saying that you believe that the SK/vig targeted a player that cannot be killed rather then you being blocked preventing the shot?
Also Cubus/Goat any results that might help us?
TMT, no more stories of your actions?
Personally I am ok with seeing both Infinis or Jqlgirl hang. I flipped a coin and it came up Jqlgirl. VOTE: Jqlgirl
Unvote, Vote Infinis
...to force a claim. AH followed by loran are my next two suspects.
[The Family]
LOL Cubus I was already finishing up my info like you have above. (Spot claimed "Phillip" from some random comic.) Everything else you have there looks good.
Should we name claim? I think it would be good. As it appears that the scum have set up false claims/disguises and I wanna squash them asap.
I'm Thunderclap from the UK Marvel series.
Oh and this isn't something that I would auto write off with Jqlgirl.. And I understand it's WIFOM but I could see that.. Someone COULD have been told to attack her.. (overnight that is.)
It is small things like this, that I really cant "clear" Jqlgirl because of the past.
As I said, my PM had the wrong company it refered to me. (DC not marvel.) Im not a huge comic buff but I didn't realize the different company until later.
UNVOTE Jqlgirl
"Not today", mostly because we have Infinis. Like I said either im ok with today.
And because he is at 4 votes with no response yet, I am holding my vote for him. So i'll wait for him to get back.
I didn't think I have to bold it in the first place, especially since it isn't as useless as you claimed the previous Day 1 question was when I had to quote it for you.
If that is your opinion on Jql, I would like your thoughts on each of the point I listed out against Jql in that case of mine yesterday. For your convenience since I don't relish you asking where is it, I'll list it out here for you again down below.
In addition, how was Loran slipping or gambiting?
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I thought that the "Civil War" storyline was one that wasnt under the umbrella Marvel/DC.
I will support a claim from him.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
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NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
I'm up for this. I'm Nite Owl II.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Up and at them! Cut. The line is "...Up and Atom"...youtube link pending
And to...
What?! Civil war was the biggest event for marvel in a long time. It was in the main stream news when Spiderman revealed his secret idnetity.
If you don't know much about comics than how would you know to even doubt the correctness of the company?
FoS: Roja
Response to Ande after work, along with the above promised activities.
12-11? I'm losing track
It was when I started looking at "Civil war", I noticed that the company associated with it was Marvel.. Marvel isn't DC. (I knew at least that much.) And I knew I needed an answer from the host, which is why I asked him. Got my responce and posted it here.
All that stuff about spiderman I have no clue about..