I can elaborate more later, but suffice it to say, he looks like scum. He's overcautious in how he words things, has a lack of confidence in his stances, and has done nothing in terms of actually hunting for scum.
I'm never confident in my stances - if you go back through every game I've played, I'm only confident in games where I have concrete information. This game is all about subterfuge, so being confident without information is pretty dumb.
And elaborating more later - your bogus watching information? LOL
Some One is scum? Awesome. That means we have 2 scum caught today, because Spot is also scum (almost certainly).
Since it seems to be the cool thing to do...I am an information role. I won't claim exactly what I am, but I will say that along with DYH, Spotofprey appears to have targeted Dagger last night. Is that a good enough reason for me to ask Dagger the nature of his information? Heh.
Just look at the end of post 769. Can you say, "I tried to kill Dagger and my shot failed, and my scum buddy is Some One, hence me needing clarification on the someone vs. Some One count." I can say it. I just did.
Unvote, Vote Some One.
Spot tomorrow.
Pretty convenient, coming out with this information after DYH claimed to protect Dagger. Had to make sure your info didn't conflict with anyone's night actions.
Dagger's comment was pretty damning regarding "Someone". Considering we have a player named Some One, I think its important to ask for clarification. Using this as "evidence" is just irresponsible.
We need to hear from SoP, then decide which is the better lynch today. Knowing what I've revealed and assuming based on GR's info that only the two of us targeted Dagger, he's a virtual lock for scum. I think that will be the higher percentage play as I suppose it's possible SO could be a miller, although I'm not buying it.
Unvote while we sort this out.
DYH/Goatrevolt scum pair? I don't think so, but its a possible explanation for the tone of this post.
Ok, so Cubus got a guilty of some sort on Some One, and Goat saw SoP target Dagger (who DYH claimed he protected). Plus, Goat has a quote of SoP's that fits in with his story.
I'm not inclined to distrust either of them at the moment, and so SO and SoP are pretty obvious lynches (or viggings, if we have one).
Quote that fits? LOL. Why don't you read the context of the quote.
TMT jumps suddenly. He looks out the window at the setting sun. Bedtime is approaching! Confound it all!
I completely forgot that Ged mentioned in the rules about setting arbitrary deadlines for each day. His last vote count post mentions the "Falling Sun". We need to decide between SO and SoP soon, and if anyone has important things to say today they need to do it.
I'd say that he should probably shoot, but regardless is a bit much. There's always a chance there's a logical explanation for SpotofPrey being in this situation. Small, but its possible.
MOD PROD ON SOP please.
The logical explanation - GR is lying. I didn't target anyone at all last night.
I'm the town vig, but not a normal vig. My character is a raging alcoholic, so any time I use my ability, there is a chance that something may go wrong. I don't want to use the exact phrasing to avoid wrath of Ged, but its as ambiguous as that. Because I'm not sure what could happen, I didn't target anyone last night.
Do you honestly think there is any chance I"m lying here?
Let's hear spot's claim.
Yes. I targeted no one last night. Vote goatrevolt
Regarding Some One, I'm not sure. It seems like a good idea to claim miller on Day 1 right off the bat, but I don't know how you would know that without playing in a miller game before. I've never played with a miller before (except Points mafia, which was a different situation) so I had no idea it was common practice to claim Day 1 if you are a miller.
First, SoP does the obvious and claims Vig (thanks, Roja! :rolleyes:), but then notes it's not a "normal" vig - to avoid the counter-claim (psst, isn't coming anyway, the "normal" vig will shoot you).
Secondly, then claims something could go wrong, yet insists he didn't target dagger.
Thirdly, he takes a page right out of Cyan's book, pushing back at only at his attackers with some lame thing tacked on the end about TMT.
This is worse than SO's miller claim.
The course is pretty clear for today - lynch Some One, vig Spotofprey.
Did I honestly have a chance attempting to claim anything else?
Seriously, with a cop who said he has an investigation of guilty on me, that was my only hope of survival. Obviously Cubus wasn't gambitting scum, and surely I would have been lynched before he was anyway.
Did I honestly have a chance attempting to claim anything else?
Seriously, with a cop who said he has an investigation of guilty on me, that was my only hope of survival. Obviously Cubus wasn't gambitting scum, and surely I would have been lynched before he was anyway.
Do you honestly think there is any chance I"m lying here?
I said to some degree - although I don't think you were outright lying like spotofprey claims, I saw chances of a) you committing the kill, but noticing (somehow) spotofprey targeting him as well or b) you saw spotofprey target Dagger but neglect to mention someone else who targeted him as well. Both of those would depend on you being scum. There is also c) someone targeted Dagger without being able to be seen by you.
However, now that we have a direct counterclaim of information, the plan is straightforward. If spotofprey is a vig, he can kill goatrevolt, and if he isn't the vig can kill him. And we can lynch the claimed scum.
Does anyone have anything else to say before we carry on?
DYH/Goatrevolt scum pair? I don't think so, but its a possible explanation for the tone of this post.
To apply a bit of logic here: even if you believe (as you have to publicly claim) that goatrevolt is scum, then why are you attacking DYH as well? The post that DYH made doesn't contradict a base assumption of DYH-as-townie, so reaching from that undermines your other points.
However, now that we have a direct counterclaim of information, the plan is straightforward. If spotofprey is a vig, he can kill goatrevolt, and if he isn't the vig can kill him. And we can lynch the claimed scum.
Does anyone have anything else to say before we carry on?
I'll point out that it isn't impossible for a town to have multiple killing roles. However, even if we have a vig seperate from spotofprey, I don't have a problem with this plan. If goat is lying and spot is townie, then I'm willing to trade them for each other. If goat is telling the truth and spot is scum, then we can shoot him and get to others tomorrow. The plan is sound either way. I'm okay going to night with a Some One lynch.
Good point. In addition, RR, Dagger confirmed the protection, so he'd really need to involve him in this whole conspiracy somewhere, too. It's all quite a stretch from SoP.
For the record, spotofprey's claim is potentially believable, as i'd imagine a scum would usually provide an explanation for another's actions other than "He's lying".
Still, his limited posts had read Scum to me throughout yesterday and nothing's changed. I'm all for vigging him. In addition, i want him roleblocked tonight. Even if he is town (and some sort of compulsive vig) we wouldn't want him to use an action tonight.
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For the record, some of you want me to vig Goatrevolt, and others want me roleblocked. They don't really work together.
And its not certain that GR is scum. Its certain that he is lying, and the most likely explanation is that he is scum, but there could be other motivations.
For the record, some of you want me to vig Goatrevolt, and others want me roleblocked. They don't really work together.
And its not certain that GR is scum. Its certain that he is lying, and the most likely explanation is that he is scum, but there could be other motivations.
Spotofprey just confirmed himself as scum. Thank you.
I was worried you were going to lie your way into some sort of pro-town role claim that had a reason to target dagger last night and the town would let you off the hook, but I see you went the route of strict denial. Makes it much easier.
Please vig him. Feel free to roleblock him as well. There is absolutely no reason to let me get killed by him. What purpose at all would I have to come out and lie about this on day 2? Absolutely none.
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Also, his "GR might be town" post at the end there is him looking for a way out when I get NKed and show up as "Goatrevolt - Town Tracker/Watcher." Anyone advocating letting him shoot me gets a FoS from me. Throwing away a town power role for nothing? Seems scummy.
Also, I'd guess he has the possibility to kill, considering he's scum. If he does manage to shoot me unhampered, he's still scum. I'm not lying about him target Dagger, so there can be absolutely no questions about "maybe goat was just lying" if I die tonight and come up town.
Also, his "GR might be town" post at the end there is him looking for a way out when I get NKed and show up as "Goatrevolt - Town Tracker/Watcher." Anyone advocating letting him shoot me gets a FoS from me. Throwing away a town power role for nothing? Seems scummy.
I would give spotofprey a 90% chance to be mafia (because neither he nor Some One are deflecting onto each other). With that chance, he can have a buddy take the shot. Roleblocking him may not stop anything.
I would give spotofprey a 90% chance to be mafia (because neither he nor Some One are deflecting onto each other). With that chance, he can have a buddy take the shot. Roleblocking him may not stop anything.
It'll still limit the scums' degree of freedom by one.
Since the scum apparently have an RB'er too, I doubt whatever I do tonight will make much of a difference. I'd expect that I'll be counter-blocked.
Also of note most of the time roleblockers are immune to each other...otherwise the question comes down to who can roleblock the other before the other gets an action down.
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Also of note most of the time roleblockers are immune to each other...otherwise the question comes down to who can roleblock the other before the other gets an action down.
The one time this came up when I was a mod, I just had it all make sense. If they each target the other, both go through. If one person targets the other, and the other is targeting a third party, the first party wins.
Ok, so everything changed. That's great. I'm not really comfortable with the idea of lynching Spot first. That whole tangle is tangled, and I was already suspicious of Dagger, a critical, and not likely to be lying, piece.
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I was obviously not entirely correct there. But Some One is pretty clear. I'm ready to see the morning.
It'll still limit the scums' degree of freedom by one.
Sure, but it is unlikely to stop the kill. goatrevolt seems to be worried about his life, and that if we don't roleblock spotofprey then he [goatrevolt] will die. Except this only works if spotofprey is the vig or the serial killer. If he is mafia, then goatrevolt's life is unlikely to be safe just because spotofprey has been blocked.
Sure, but it is unlikely to stop the kill. goatrevolt seems to be worried about his life, and that if we don't roleblock spotofprey then he [goatrevolt] will die. Except this only works if spotofprey is the vig or the serial killer. If he is mafia, then goatrevolt's life is unlikely to be safe just because spotofprey has been blocked.
I'm not worried about dying. I just think it's preposterous for me to needlessly die for the purpose of "verifying" the role claim of someone who is scum, especially since he claimed a role that scum can nearly universally back up--the ability to kill.
You're spinning this discussion into whether or not it's worthwhile for Spot to be roleblocked, when the discussion I started with my FoS was in regards to you telling spot he can "vig" me. I'm more interested in discussing the horribly anti-town post you made where you suggest that we sit back and allow spot to kill me, despite the negligible chance I am lying scum here.
If I come out on day 2 and claim role information that confirms a player is scum, the percentage play is not to tell the player that I have shown to be scum that he can verify his vig claim by shooting me, a power role. For you to suggest that is absurd.
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I'm not really comfortable with the idea of lynching Spot first. That whole tangle is tangled, and I was already suspicious of Dagger, a critical, and not likely to be lying, piece.
Explain this to me. What is complicated about the spot situation and how does Dagger factor in at all?
I'm not worried about dying. I just think it's preposterous for me to needlessly die for the purpose of "verifying" the role claim of someone who is scum, especially since he claimed a role that scum can nearly universally back up--the ability to kill.
Except that killing you if you are telling the truth earns him a speedy lynch tomorrow. And so the only way for him to verify his role is for him to be the vig and you to be scum.
You're spinning this discussion into whether or not it's worthwhile for Spot to be roleblocked, when the discussion I started with my FoS was in regards to you telling spot he can "vig" me. I'm more interested in discussing the horribly anti-town post you made where you suggest that we sit back and allow spot to kill me, despite the negligible chance I am lying scum here.
I suggested that spotofprey be allowed to try to prove his innocence. If he is scum and he kills you, it is merely proving his guilt. The major case where roleblocking him would make a difference is if he is the serial killer. Any other situation it makes no difference. If he is town and wants to kill you, he should be allowed because you are scum and if he is mafia and wants to kill you, he will be able to in spite of any roleblock thrown his way because he has friends.
If I come out on day 2 and claim role information that confirms a player is scum, the percentage play is not to tell the player that I have shown to be scum that he can verify his vig claim by shooting me, a power role. For you to suggest that is absurd.
If you are town then your death proves that he is scum. For you not to see this is absurd.
You are overvaluing your ablilities. Sure you're a decent investigative role, but there are already several other better claimed roles.
Except that killing you if you are telling the truth earns him a speedy lynch tomorrow. And so the only way for him to verify his role is for him to be the vig and you to be scum.
He should get a speedy lynch tomorrow, regardless of whether I die or not. Either he's lying or I am. There are no other ways about it. The chances of me being the one lying in this situation are basically zero. That's what you aren't getting. You don't need me dead to verify my information on spot. You can lynch spot based on my information, and then lynch me if he's town. Trying to give spot a chance to prove his vig claim by telling him to shoot the guy who outed him is stupid.
I suggested that spotofprey be allowed to try to prove his innocence. If he is scum and he kills you, it is merely proving his guilt. The major case where roleblocking him would make a difference is if he is the serial killer. Any other situation it makes no difference. If he is town and wants to kill you, he should be allowed because you are scum and if he is mafia and wants to kill you, he will be able to in spite of any roleblock thrown his way because he has friends.
The aspect that doesn't make any sense is that you yourself say spot is 90% likely to be scum, yet you are treating it as though it's a 50/50 situation. You want to give spot a chance to prove his role. How about thinking about it in the opposite light. Why don't you give ME a chance to prove my role by lynching off of my information, and blocking the player I tell you is scum. You're saying spot is 90% likely to be scum, but you're also arguing that we should just allow him to use his abilities however he sees fit tonight. Why?
If you are town then your death proves that he is scum. For you not to see this is absurd.
I understand that my death proves he is scum. However, the point you are missing is that there is no reason for you to not trust my results prior to my death. I claimed information on day 2, under no pressure whatsoever that essentially boils down to: "Either me or Spot is scum." As scum, that is a stupid 1-1 trade, and I'm not even trading myself for a feared townie player.
You are overvaluing your ablilities. Sure you're a decent investigative role, but there are already several other better claimed roles.
This is irrelevant to the argument, and also not true. Watcher/Tracker can be more useful than a cop in certain setups and can be just as effective if used correctly. The reason this is irrelevant is that you are somehow justifying my death based on the power level of my role, and ignoring the more important distinction of my alignment. It doesn't matter if my role is weak (and it's not, for the record), what matters is that you somehow want to give Spot a chance to kill me before lynching him on my information.
It's akin to you saying: "The cop outed himself day 2 and says that X is scum. Rather than lynch X, let's vig the cop, so we know his results are true, and then lynch X." Such a play is beneficial to scum. Rather than get rid of caught scum, you are instead throwing away the power role that caught them first, and then later lynching them.
Really confused by andelijah here. There's no reason to go with a "let SoP have a chance to prove himself, then lynch him if GR turns up dead town" plan. We should do the opposite and go with a "vig SoP, then lynch GR if (in the extremely unlikely event) SoP turns up dead town" plan.
Tilde roleblocking SoP along with the vig shooting him seems like the percentage play IMO. Someone other than SoP will do the nightkill, obviously. But they're going to be using whatever other ability they have, so we're still shorting the scum an ability. Furthermore, GR is still about as safe as he'll be either way since the scum have to consider that GR is an obvious target for protection roles. Further furthermore, it insures that Tilde doesn't mistakenly do something like block a townie power role tonight.
Lets run through this step by step.
1) spotofprey is 90% mafia, and about 7% town.
2) Stating outright that we are going to roleblock spotofprey is therefore meaningless/bad in 97% of situations.
Well, that was easy. As for asking you to be vigged.
1) If spotofprey is the vig, excellent! Free scum.
2) If spotofprey is scum, excellent! He's not shooting someone else.
It's akin to you saying: "The copwatcher outed himself day 2 and says that X is scum. Rather than lynch XSince we already have a confirmed scum today, and X claimed vig, let's vig the copwatcher, so we know his results are trueto allow X to defend himself, and then lynch Xor vig X as a counterclaim."
Weak first draft - needs serious editing.
Such a play is beneficial to scum. Rather than get rid of caught scum, you are instead throwing away the power role that caught them first, and then later lynching them.
If he is truly mafia and they truly want you dead, stating outright that we are roleblocking him will do nothing. If he is town, roleblocking him will stop him from killing you. As I said, roleblocking him only benefits us in the instance of a serial killer.
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"let SoP have a chance to prove himself, then lynch him if GR turns up dead town"
If spotofprey is scum then I fully expect that the real vig will shoot him tonight. My plan requires no lynching the next day, because whichever player is scum will end up dead.
If spotofprey is scum then I fully expect that the real vig will shoot him tonight. My plan requires no lynching the next day, because whichever player is scum will end up dead.
I am the real vig. I am not going to shoot myself. I'm also apparently not going to be able to shoot GR because Tilde is being called down upon me. Then what?
Ande...wtf. Tilde should RB SoP, and SoP should be vigged if there's a town vig out there. (If there's no town vig out there, we can deal with him tomorrow). There's no reason we should allow or encourage Spot to fire.
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I can't state this any simpler. You think there is a 90% chance Spot is scum, and you are advocating letting him do whatever the hell he wants tonight. Your logic is: I'm an expendable role (watcher/tracker is equally if not MORE powerful than cop tonight) and that roleblocking him will accomplish nothing. Um...is roleblocking scum somehow no longer the percentage play? Others have pointed out how we still benefit from RBing him. We force his other scum buddies to do the dirty work. Finally, you want to give someone you think has a 90% chance to be scum free reign to shoot someone who by association would have at least an 80%+ chance to be town in order to "prove" that he is scum. That's BS. It works the other way around. We kill the guy 90% likely to be scum first. Then you deal with me based on that result.
This is how I am translating your words: "I'm a scum power role. It would be really nice if spot could make the night kill tonight so I would be free to do whatever I wanted to do. It would be doubly nice if he was given a free opportunity to shoot the obviously town power role who caught him, and prevent that power role from sharing with the town the wealth of possible information he could learn tonight to hurt us."
I can't state this any simpler. You think there is a 90% chance Spot is scum, and you are advocating letting him do whatever the hell he wants tonight. Your logic is: I'm an expendable role (watcher/tracker is equally if not MORE powerful than cop tonight) and that roleblocking him will accomplish nothing. Um...is roleblocking scum somehow no longer the percentage play?
ced's is the percentage play - to WIFOM the scum into whether they have to make spotofprey shoot or not.
Finally, you want to give someone you think has a 90% chance to be scum free reign to shoot someone who by association would have at least an 80%+ chance to be town in order to "prove" that he is scum. That's BS. It works the other way around. We kill the guy 90% likely to be scum first. Then you deal with me based on that result.
See, this is what would have happened should you have just claimed tomorrow. Unfortunately you decided that claiming with a confirmed scum already outed would be the best idea, and therefore your situation has to be resolved later. I would prefer if it was done overnight.
This is how I am translating your words: "I'm a scum power role. It would be really nice if spot could make the night kill tonight so I would be free to do whatever I wanted to do. It would be doubly nice if he was given a free opportunity to shoot the obviously town power role who caught him, and prevent that power role from sharing with the town the wealth of possible information he could learn tonight to hurt us."
If you want to look at the game, you could realize I can't possibly be mafia. But if you feel so strongly about it, you can have Tilde block spotofprey or me (decided however he wants, I would suggest a coin), and that gets around whatever fear you seem to have about the situation.
My problem is not with Tilde roleblocking spotofprey, but that he needs to decide this before night. Leaving this ambiguous hinders the scum far more than autoblocking spotofprey.
See, this is what would have happened should you have just claimed tomorrow. Unfortunately you decided that claiming with a confirmed scum already outed would be the best idea, and therefore your situation has to be resolved later. I would prefer if it was done overnight.
This is relevant how? Whether or not I should have claimed is irrelevant and left up to postgame discussion. Granted, I think it's overwhelmingly obvious that I should have claimed it today, but again not relevant. Andelijah, your posts read like you are frustrated that I claimed my info and frustrated that spot got caught, etc. You're really not reading like a townie who is excited over the prospect of two caught scum, but rather like scum with sour grapes, who is looking for an out.
If you want to look at the game, you could realize I can't possibly be mafia. But if you feel so strongly about it, you can have Tilde block spotofprey or me (decided however he wants, I would suggest a coin), and that gets around whatever fear you seem to have about the situation.
My problem is not with Tilde roleblocking spotofprey, but that he needs to decide this before night. Leaving this ambiguous hinders the scum far more than autoblocking spotofprey.
Based on what, that you semi-led the charge against Cyan? DYH started that train, not you. You were more than happy to argue in circles with me more than you did actually pressure Cyan.
This is you continuing to spin this discussion. You keep trying to spin discussion into how useful it would be to block spot of prey because the other scum could just make the actions, etc. which is a completely different story from your original point, that spot should be given free reign to shoot me, to prove himself.
Considering Tilde believes DYH, the claimed doc, is scum, this is not the play.
Then give him options. Only one choice is predictable and able to be planned around.
Andelijah, your posts read like you are frustrated that I claimed my info and frustrated that spot got caught, etc. You're really not reading like a townie who is excited over the prospect of two caught scum,
Why should I be? Under your plan we could spend the next two and up to the next three days lynching them. Under mine we get back to playing mafia tomorrow. I know what sounds more fun to me.
Based on what, that you semi-led the charge against Cyan? DYH started that train, not you. You were more than happy to argue in circles with me more than you did actually pressure Cyan.
I was more than happy to pressure Cyan when he posted. Since you posted more often, I responded more often.
As for being on his wagon, I was the only person to stay on the wagon throughout the day and the first to call for the restarting of the wagon after Numegil died.
However, if you want to look at any of the rest of my play you'd realize that I am town too.
This is you continuing to spin this discussion. You keep trying to spin discussion into how usefuluseless [?] it would be to block spot of prey because the other scum could just make the actions, etc. which is a completely different story from your original point, that spot should be given free reign to shoot me, to prove himself.
Not at all. If I could choose, I would not block spotofprey. Since I don't have any control of the ability, my opinion on the matter is just that. I feel that the benefits to publicly blocking spotofprey are negligible, and even if it is done privately, I'm not sure it would make a significant difference.
Then give him options. Only one choice is predictable and able to be planned around.
It doesn't matter if scum know what's going to happen if that thing is bad for them. Sure, spot doesn't do anything because he knows he's going to get blocked. That's a good thing. We're preventing scum from making an action and forcing the other scum to maybe not have use of their roles to make a NK instead. Your plan is to have the RB fire at someone unconfirmed, rather than fire at the guaranteed scum. If Tilde were to choose a townie instead of scum, then we allow scum to do whatever they want tonight, rather than our current plan, which restricts them to only a specific subset of choices. You're not using logic here at all. This is purely scummy rationale to give scum more options tonight.
Why should I be? Under your plan we could spend the next two and up to the next three days lynching them. Under mine we get back to playing mafia tomorrow. I know what sounds more fun to me.
Explain to me exactly how your plan allows us to lynch scum faster? It doesn't. All it does is throw away a town power role (and although you refuse to admit it at all, I am extremely likely town even in your eyes by nature of spot being 90% scum), for no gain.
The only possible way your plan could allow us to lynch scum faster is if I am scum. That is the base assumption you are using to drive your actions, yet your words say that I am town. You're using contradictory logic to try to back up an undefensible stance. Your plan benefits scum by giving scum more options in who is able to perform night actions as well as benefits scum by getting rid of a nearly 100% confirmed town power role. My plan restricts scum, and keeps me alive so I can continue to use my role to catch scum.
Whining about lynching scum for 3 consecutive days is not the kind of thing townies do. And your plan is strictly anti-town, even though you continue to refuse to acknowledge it. You've given absolutely no reason to distrust me, yet you continue to treat this situation as though I'm the scum here, not spot.
And your "what's more fun here" thing is complete BS. What's more fun for Andelijah is obviously not "what's better for town" and the fact that you are trying to use that to defend your stance is laughable. Having caught more scum than you actually have the ability to kill at a a time is pretty fun for me. I can see it sucking for scum though. Must suck hard to get your entire team outed by day 2.
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At any rate, the game is stalling while we go back and forth here. Andelijah is also scum. I'm fairly certain about that. Andelijah was my number 1 scum suspect of the remaining players prior to him trying to suggest that Spot get a free opportunity to shoot me. This recent discussion just strengthens that belief. There's no pro-town rationale for his suggestions unless you start from the assumption that I am scum, or at least fairly likely to be scum. However, based on his own claim that spot was 90% likely, I am thus extremely unlikely to be scum. It can't be both ways.
I had him pegged as scum because the way he went about pressuring Infinis and even the way he pressured me on day 1 just struck me as extremely scummy. What strikes me as so scummy about it is that he does more telling people how they are wrong and how they should act rather than calling people scum.
At any rate, let's just lynch Some One and move on. I hate prolonging the day beyond what is necessary. Spot is scum, and should be killed tonight by anyone who has that capability. Spot should also be RBed so he can't kill me. There's no reason to roleblock anyone other than caught scum. If I die, keep an eye on Andelijah.
At any rate, let's just lynch Some One and move on. I hate prolonging the day beyond what is necessary. Spot is scum, and should be killed tonight by anyone who has that capability. Spot should also be RBed so he can't kill me. There's no reason to roleblock anyone other than caught scum.
I have no objections with the day ending. In fact, depending on whether or not Some One turns up scum or town would be the best way for me to decide what I choose to do tonight.
I am starting to doubt Ande myself. I can't really see him arguing from the position he is arguing right now as a town. Anyway, I am still in favor of the roleblock, but really, Tilde calls the final shot here.
Cubus scans the room silently as people bicker back and forth. He watches them with an expressionless face for some time before chiming in. "Someone in this room is up to no good," he mutters.
"Yeah, we know," remarks some smarty-pants. "People are dying, remember?"
"No," he says again. "Some One, in this room, is up to no good." He lifts his hand and extends a finger in Some One's direction. The group looks first at Some One, then at each other.
DYH shrugs his shoulders. "Yeah, alright. Sounds fair enough. Let's get him!" Some One had been looking around nervously up to this point, and he jumps as the crowd charges at him. He lets out a yell and a cry to stop as the heroes jump him and hold him down.
"Please, don't! Don't hurt me!"
Cubus stands over him. "And why, pray tell, should we listen to you?" Some One looks around frantically once again, his eyes shifting this way and that. Then he looks up at the ceiling.
A rumble comes from somewhere. "What was that?" Dagger asks. It comes again, louder this time and more persistent. "Um... should we be worried about that?" The noise gets closer and closer as the heroes look around the great hall in confusion. "What is going on?" Cubus keeps his eye on Some One, who's got a stupid looking grin on his face now.
"Listen," he whispers. "You hear that? That rumbling? That's the sound... OF YOUR DOOM!!" Some One lets out a cackle as the noise becomes a whirring, a crashing, and a tumbling. He laughs and laughs as the floor begins to shake. "DOOM!!" he shouts again, and something breaks through the floor. It looks like a giant tank, except tanks don't usually have drills the size of an elephant attached at the front. This machine rolls into the great hall, and Some One smiles like a kid in a candy store. "BEHOLD! THE DRILL-O-MATIC 3000! I am the ruler of the underworld, the Underminer!"
Cubus looks down at him again. "Okay," he remarks, "that's definitely a reason we shouldn't be listening you." He looks down at Some One, still pinned by goatrevolt and The Mad Tapper. "Anyone object to getting rid of this villain?" No one raises their hand. "Right, that's what I thought." It appears to finally dawn on Some One that a giant drill-tank, while very cool, is not going to save him from someone who has him tackled. His wide grin turns into a look of despair as Alfred comes to join the group.
"I've called the police," he says. "They'll be here to take Mr. Underminer away any minute." Some One gulps.
Some One AKA The Underminer (Mafia Goon) has been lynched.
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goatrevolt - 1 (spotofprey)
Infinis - 1 (andelijah)
loran16 - 1 (Some One)
Some One - 9 (loran16, ced395, goatrevolt, infinis, ~Tilde~, Cubus, RobRoy, DYH, Dagger)
"It looks like we've got a bit of cleaning up to do," Alfred says to himself, looking at the heaps of rubble that litter the great hall.
It is now night 2. Actions are due by the end of Wednesday (CST). Day will begin sometime on Thursday. These dates could come sooner if I get all actions in early.
It's an unusually bright morning for such a depressing predicament. Birds are chirping and the crisp smell of a spring breeze is in the air. Everyone gathers in the great hall. It's amazing the sort of people that Wayne Manor keeps on call; you can hardly tell that an evil drilling machine broke through the floor not twelve hours before.
The enormous council table from before has been brought back, and you take your places around it. "Hey, weren't there 17 chairs at this thing yesterday?" asks Roja.
Alfred looks grim and nods. "The table always knows exactly how many chairs to unfold."
"Cool feature," continues Roja. "I guess we're down one since Some One got dragged off, but I only count 14 places..."
The janitor, standing in a doorway up to this point, coughs conspicuously. "I found one of your missing boys over this way," he says as he cocks his head down the hallway. The group rushes down the hall to find that it's ced395. He's lying on the floor of his room, head cut open to reveal his brain. It's pretty gross, so you only stay long enough to determine his identity. The dresser drawer full of polished silver forks gives it away.
Ced395, AKA The Blue Raja (Townie Neighbor), has been killed.
A shout from another part of the manor indicates that someone's found something else. It's ~Tilde~, though the only way you're really sure is through process of elimination. His body's been charred to a corpse, but you still recognize him through the shovel that lies by his side.
~Tilde~, AKA The Shoveler (Townie Roleblocker), has been killed.
"Let's not wait around all day," says The Mad Tapper. "We're here to make sure stuff like this stops happening." A murmur of agreement takes you back to the great hall, where the day's discussion can begin.
It is now Day 3. With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I don't have anything night-action related to report. We need to hear from SoP. SK possibility is back on the table, which opens up Dagger's alignment from "cleared" to a tad below that. Once we see what SoP flips, we can eliminate either SK or Mafia for him.
If Cubus and GR have anything new to add, that'd be good, too.
In IRC its usually someone that can give their alignment or role to another player, essentially confirming themselves.
And I'm rather disappointed in the lack of kills on the relevant targets.
No, that would be a "friendly neighbor". There is a difference.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
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8 targets, probable scum 3 or 4. Good percentage there.
As before I'd take infinis off the list, dropping us to 7...
But before i make a decision, we need to hear from goat and spotofprey...again.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
"Yes" (helpful), "No" (unfortunate) or "Maybe" (unhelpful) all have less characters than your answer. And answer the question just as well, or better.
Nah.
Where's this list coming from?
Why it's elementary PoE, my dear Watson.
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Curious on SpotofPrey here....I'm almost leaning toward believing him.
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Ugh, scratch that. Spot's claim and posts are still terrible. Rereading is good, forgetting the past is dumb.
Waiting on mr goatrevolt.
SPOT: Flavor of RB, please.
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I'm never confident in my stances - if you go back through every game I've played, I'm only confident in games where I have concrete information. This game is all about subterfuge, so being confident without information is pretty dumb.
And elaborating more later - your bogus watching information? LOL
Pretty convenient, coming out with this information after DYH claimed to protect Dagger. Had to make sure your info didn't conflict with anyone's night actions.
Dagger's comment was pretty damning regarding "Someone". Considering we have a player named Some One, I think its important to ask for clarification. Using this as "evidence" is just irresponsible.
DYH/Goatrevolt scum pair? I don't think so, but its a possible explanation for the tone of this post.
Quote that fits? LOL. Why don't you read the context of the quote.
Very fishy.
The logical explanation - GR is lying. I didn't target anyone at all last night.
I'm the town vig, but not a normal vig. My character is a raging alcoholic, so any time I use my ability, there is a chance that something may go wrong. I don't want to use the exact phrasing to avoid wrath of Ged, but its as ambiguous as that. Because I'm not sure what could happen, I didn't target anyone last night.
Yes. I targeted no one last night. Vote goatrevolt
Regarding Some One, I'm not sure. It seems like a good idea to claim miller on Day 1 right off the bat, but I don't know how you would know that without playing in a miller game before. I've never played with a miller before (except Points mafia, which was a different situation) so I had no idea it was common practice to claim Day 1 if you are a miller.
I am Phillip, from a webcomic called Goats. I've never heard of it either, so here's the wiki page if you are in the same boat Goats_(webcomic)
First, SoP does the obvious and claims Vig (thanks, Roja! :rolleyes:), but then notes it's not a "normal" vig - to avoid the counter-claim (psst, isn't coming anyway, the "normal" vig will shoot you).
Secondly, then claims something could go wrong, yet insists he didn't target dagger.
Thirdly, he takes a page right out of Cyan's book, pushing back at only at his attackers with some lame thing tacked on the end about TMT.
This is worse than SO's miller claim.
The course is pretty clear for today - lynch Some One, vig Spotofprey.
I'll vote when we're ready.
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Did I honestly have a chance attempting to claim anything else?
Seriously, with a cop who said he has an investigation of guilty on me, that was my only hope of survival. Obviously Cubus wasn't gambitting scum, and surely I would have been lynched before he was anyway.
Thanks for removing all doubt, though.
Vote: Some One
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However, now that we have a direct counterclaim of information, the plan is straightforward. If spotofprey is a vig, he can kill goatrevolt, and if he isn't the vig can kill him. And we can lynch the claimed scum.
Does anyone have anything else to say before we carry on?
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To apply a bit of logic here: even if you believe (as you have to publicly claim) that goatrevolt is scum, then why are you attacking DYH as well? The post that DYH made doesn't contradict a base assumption of DYH-as-townie, so reaching from that undermines your other points.
I'll point out that it isn't impossible for a town to have multiple killing roles. However, even if we have a vig seperate from spotofprey, I don't have a problem with this plan. If goat is lying and spot is townie, then I'm willing to trade them for each other. If goat is telling the truth and spot is scum, then we can shoot him and get to others tomorrow. The plan is sound either way. I'm okay going to night with a Some One lynch.
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Still, his limited posts had read Scum to me throughout yesterday and nothing's changed. I'm all for vigging him. In addition, i want him roleblocked tonight. Even if he is town (and some sort of compulsive vig) we wouldn't want him to use an action tonight.
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And its not certain that GR is scum. Its certain that he is lying, and the most likely explanation is that he is scum, but there could be other motivations.
Please explain to me how that's even possible.
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I was worried you were going to lie your way into some sort of pro-town role claim that had a reason to target dagger last night and the town would let you off the hook, but I see you went the route of strict denial. Makes it much easier.
Please vig him. Feel free to roleblock him as well. There is absolutely no reason to let me get killed by him. What purpose at all would I have to come out and lie about this on day 2? Absolutely none.
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Also, his "GR might be town" post at the end there is him looking for a way out when I get NKed and show up as "Goatrevolt - Town Tracker/Watcher." Anyone advocating letting him shoot me gets a FoS from me. Throwing away a town power role for nothing? Seems scummy.
Also, I'd guess he has the possibility to kill, considering he's scum. If he does manage to shoot me unhampered, he's still scum. I'm not lying about him target Dagger, so there can be absolutely no questions about "maybe goat was just lying" if I die tonight and come up town.
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Since the scum apparently have an RB'er too, I doubt whatever I do tonight will make much of a difference. I'd expect that I'll be counter-blocked.
Note to self: Your mafia theories are usually wrong, so don't act on them.
I'm for this as well. But Tilde calls the final shot.
This I agree with.
It'll still limit the scums' degree of freedom by one.
Which is good as well, since you have essentially done your job by limiting the scums' degree of freedom in drawing a roleblock to you.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
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Also of note most of the time roleblockers are immune to each other...otherwise the question comes down to who can roleblock the other before the other gets an action down.
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The one time this came up when I was a mod, I just had it all make sense. If they each target the other, both go through. If one person targets the other, and the other is targeting a third party, the first party wins.
Unvote.
I was obviously not entirely correct there. But Some One is pretty clear. I'm ready to see the morning.
@Loran: You've got me pegged. Congratulations.
SO is at L-1 if I'm counting right. I'm willing to hammer whenever we're ready.
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I'm not worried about dying. I just think it's preposterous for me to needlessly die for the purpose of "verifying" the role claim of someone who is scum, especially since he claimed a role that scum can nearly universally back up--the ability to kill.
You're spinning this discussion into whether or not it's worthwhile for Spot to be roleblocked, when the discussion I started with my FoS was in regards to you telling spot he can "vig" me. I'm more interested in discussing the horribly anti-town post you made where you suggest that we sit back and allow spot to kill me, despite the negligible chance I am lying scum here.
If I come out on day 2 and claim role information that confirms a player is scum, the percentage play is not to tell the player that I have shown to be scum that he can verify his vig claim by shooting me, a power role. For you to suggest that is absurd.
Explain this to me. What is complicated about the spot situation and how does Dagger factor in at all?
I suggested that spotofprey be allowed to try to prove his innocence. If he is scum and he kills you, it is merely proving his guilt. The major case where roleblocking him would make a difference is if he is the serial killer. Any other situation it makes no difference. If he is town and wants to kill you, he should be allowed because you are scum and if he is mafia and wants to kill you, he will be able to in spite of any roleblock thrown his way because he has friends.
If you are town then your death proves that he is scum. For you not to see this is absurd.
You are overvaluing your ablilities. Sure you're a decent investigative role, but there are already several other better claimed roles.
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He should get a speedy lynch tomorrow, regardless of whether I die or not. Either he's lying or I am. There are no other ways about it. The chances of me being the one lying in this situation are basically zero. That's what you aren't getting. You don't need me dead to verify my information on spot. You can lynch spot based on my information, and then lynch me if he's town. Trying to give spot a chance to prove his vig claim by telling him to shoot the guy who outed him is stupid.
The aspect that doesn't make any sense is that you yourself say spot is 90% likely to be scum, yet you are treating it as though it's a 50/50 situation. You want to give spot a chance to prove his role. How about thinking about it in the opposite light. Why don't you give ME a chance to prove my role by lynching off of my information, and blocking the player I tell you is scum. You're saying spot is 90% likely to be scum, but you're also arguing that we should just allow him to use his abilities however he sees fit tonight. Why?
I understand that my death proves he is scum. However, the point you are missing is that there is no reason for you to not trust my results prior to my death. I claimed information on day 2, under no pressure whatsoever that essentially boils down to: "Either me or Spot is scum." As scum, that is a stupid 1-1 trade, and I'm not even trading myself for a feared townie player.
This is irrelevant to the argument, and also not true. Watcher/Tracker can be more useful than a cop in certain setups and can be just as effective if used correctly. The reason this is irrelevant is that you are somehow justifying my death based on the power level of my role, and ignoring the more important distinction of my alignment. It doesn't matter if my role is weak (and it's not, for the record), what matters is that you somehow want to give Spot a chance to kill me before lynching him on my information.
It's akin to you saying: "The cop outed himself day 2 and says that X is scum. Rather than lynch X, let's vig the cop, so we know his results are true, and then lynch X." Such a play is beneficial to scum. Rather than get rid of caught scum, you are instead throwing away the power role that caught them first, and then later lynching them.
Tilde roleblocking SoP along with the vig shooting him seems like the percentage play IMO. Someone other than SoP will do the nightkill, obviously. But they're going to be using whatever other ability they have, so we're still shorting the scum an ability. Furthermore, GR is still about as safe as he'll be either way since the scum have to consider that GR is an obvious target for protection roles. Further furthermore, it insures that Tilde doesn't mistakenly do something like block a townie power role tonight.
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The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
1) spotofprey is 90% mafia, and about 7% town.
2) Stating outright that we are going to roleblock spotofprey is therefore meaningless/bad in 97% of situations.
Well, that was easy. As for asking you to be vigged.
1) If spotofprey is the vig, excellent! Free scum.
2) If spotofprey is scum, excellent! He's not shooting someone else.
Weak first draft - needs serious editing.
If he is truly mafia and they truly want you dead, stating outright that we are roleblocking him will do nothing. If he is town, roleblocking him will stop him from killing you. As I said, roleblocking him only benefits us in the instance of a serial killer.
If spotofprey is scum then I fully expect that the real vig will shoot him tonight. My plan requires no lynching the next day, because whichever player is scum will end up dead.
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I am the real vig. I am not going to shoot myself. I'm also apparently not going to be able to shoot GR because Tilde is being called down upon me. Then what?
Then we probably lynch you, and if you don't come up scum, we lynch goatrevolt. That's worst case scenario, and it isn't that bad.
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This is how I am translating your words: "I'm a scum power role. It would be really nice if spot could make the night kill tonight so I would be free to do whatever I wanted to do. It would be doubly nice if he was given a free opportunity to shoot the obviously town power role who caught him, and prevent that power role from sharing with the town the wealth of possible information he could learn tonight to hurt us."
See, this is what would have happened should you have just claimed tomorrow. Unfortunately you decided that claiming with a confirmed scum already outed would be the best idea, and therefore your situation has to be resolved later. I would prefer if it was done overnight.
If you want to look at the game, you could realize I can't possibly be mafia. But if you feel so strongly about it, you can have Tilde block spotofprey or me (decided however he wants, I would suggest a coin), and that gets around whatever fear you seem to have about the situation.
My problem is not with Tilde roleblocking spotofprey, but that he needs to decide this before night. Leaving this ambiguous hinders the scum far more than autoblocking spotofprey.
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Considering Tilde believes DYH, the claimed doc, is scum, this is not the play.
This is relevant how? Whether or not I should have claimed is irrelevant and left up to postgame discussion. Granted, I think it's overwhelmingly obvious that I should have claimed it today, but again not relevant. Andelijah, your posts read like you are frustrated that I claimed my info and frustrated that spot got caught, etc. You're really not reading like a townie who is excited over the prospect of two caught scum, but rather like scum with sour grapes, who is looking for an out.
Based on what, that you semi-led the charge against Cyan? DYH started that train, not you. You were more than happy to argue in circles with me more than you did actually pressure Cyan.
This is you continuing to spin this discussion. You keep trying to spin discussion into how useful it would be to block spot of prey because the other scum could just make the actions, etc. which is a completely different story from your original point, that spot should be given free reign to shoot me, to prove himself.
Why should I be? Under your plan we could spend the next two and up to the next three days lynching them. Under mine we get back to playing mafia tomorrow. I know what sounds more fun to me.
I was more than happy to pressure Cyan when he posted. Since you posted more often, I responded more often.
As for being on his wagon, I was the only person to stay on the wagon throughout the day and the first to call for the restarting of the wagon after Numegil died.
However, if you want to look at any of the rest of my play you'd realize that I am town too.
Not at all. If I could choose, I would not block spotofprey. Since I don't have any control of the ability, my opinion on the matter is just that. I feel that the benefits to publicly blocking spotofprey are negligible, and even if it is done privately, I'm not sure it would make a significant difference.
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It doesn't matter if scum know what's going to happen if that thing is bad for them. Sure, spot doesn't do anything because he knows he's going to get blocked. That's a good thing. We're preventing scum from making an action and forcing the other scum to maybe not have use of their roles to make a NK instead. Your plan is to have the RB fire at someone unconfirmed, rather than fire at the guaranteed scum. If Tilde were to choose a townie instead of scum, then we allow scum to do whatever they want tonight, rather than our current plan, which restricts them to only a specific subset of choices. You're not using logic here at all. This is purely scummy rationale to give scum more options tonight.
Explain to me exactly how your plan allows us to lynch scum faster? It doesn't. All it does is throw away a town power role (and although you refuse to admit it at all, I am extremely likely town even in your eyes by nature of spot being 90% scum), for no gain.
The only possible way your plan could allow us to lynch scum faster is if I am scum. That is the base assumption you are using to drive your actions, yet your words say that I am town. You're using contradictory logic to try to back up an undefensible stance. Your plan benefits scum by giving scum more options in who is able to perform night actions as well as benefits scum by getting rid of a nearly 100% confirmed town power role. My plan restricts scum, and keeps me alive so I can continue to use my role to catch scum.
Whining about lynching scum for 3 consecutive days is not the kind of thing townies do. And your plan is strictly anti-town, even though you continue to refuse to acknowledge it. You've given absolutely no reason to distrust me, yet you continue to treat this situation as though I'm the scum here, not spot.
And your "what's more fun here" thing is complete BS. What's more fun for Andelijah is obviously not "what's better for town" and the fact that you are trying to use that to defend your stance is laughable. Having caught more scum than you actually have the ability to kill at a a time is pretty fun for me. I can see it sucking for scum though. Must suck hard to get your entire team outed by day 2.
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At any rate, the game is stalling while we go back and forth here. Andelijah is also scum. I'm fairly certain about that. Andelijah was my number 1 scum suspect of the remaining players prior to him trying to suggest that Spot get a free opportunity to shoot me. This recent discussion just strengthens that belief. There's no pro-town rationale for his suggestions unless you start from the assumption that I am scum, or at least fairly likely to be scum. However, based on his own claim that spot was 90% likely, I am thus extremely unlikely to be scum. It can't be both ways.
I had him pegged as scum because the way he went about pressuring Infinis and even the way he pressured me on day 1 just struck me as extremely scummy. What strikes me as so scummy about it is that he does more telling people how they are wrong and how they should act rather than calling people scum.
At any rate, let's just lynch Some One and move on. I hate prolonging the day beyond what is necessary. Spot is scum, and should be killed tonight by anyone who has that capability. Spot should also be RBed so he can't kill me. There's no reason to roleblock anyone other than caught scum. If I die, keep an eye on Andelijah.
I have no objections with the day ending. In fact, depending on whether or not Some One turns up scum or town would be the best way for me to decide what I choose to do tonight.
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I am starting to doubt Ande myself. I can't really see him arguing from the position he is arguing right now as a town. Anyway, I am still in favor of the roleblock, but really, Tilde calls the final shot here.
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"Yeah, we know," remarks some smarty-pants. "People are dying, remember?"
"No," he says again. "Some One, in this room, is up to no good." He lifts his hand and extends a finger in Some One's direction. The group looks first at Some One, then at each other.
DYH shrugs his shoulders. "Yeah, alright. Sounds fair enough. Let's get him!" Some One had been looking around nervously up to this point, and he jumps as the crowd charges at him. He lets out a yell and a cry to stop as the heroes jump him and hold him down.
"Please, don't! Don't hurt me!"
Cubus stands over him. "And why, pray tell, should we listen to you?" Some One looks around frantically once again, his eyes shifting this way and that. Then he looks up at the ceiling.
A rumble comes from somewhere. "What was that?" Dagger asks. It comes again, louder this time and more persistent. "Um... should we be worried about that?" The noise gets closer and closer as the heroes look around the great hall in confusion. "What is going on?" Cubus keeps his eye on Some One, who's got a stupid looking grin on his face now.
"Listen," he whispers. "You hear that? That rumbling? That's the sound... OF YOUR DOOM!!" Some One lets out a cackle as the noise becomes a whirring, a crashing, and a tumbling. He laughs and laughs as the floor begins to shake. "DOOM!!" he shouts again, and something breaks through the floor. It looks like a giant tank, except tanks don't usually have drills the size of an elephant attached at the front. This machine rolls into the great hall, and Some One smiles like a kid in a candy store. "BEHOLD! THE DRILL-O-MATIC 3000! I am the ruler of the underworld, the Underminer!"
Cubus looks down at him again. "Okay," he remarks, "that's definitely a reason we shouldn't be listening you." He looks down at Some One, still pinned by goatrevolt and The Mad Tapper. "Anyone object to getting rid of this villain?" No one raises their hand. "Right, that's what I thought." It appears to finally dawn on Some One that a giant drill-tank, while very cool, is not going to save him from someone who has him tackled. His wide grin turns into a look of despair as Alfred comes to join the group.
"I've called the police," he says. "They'll be here to take Mr. Underminer away any minute." Some One gulps.
Some One AKA The Underminer (Mafia Goon) has been lynched.
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goatrevolt - 1 (spotofprey)
Infinis - 1 (andelijah)
loran16 - 1 (Some One)
Some One - 9 (loran16, ced395, goatrevolt, infinis, ~Tilde~, Cubus, RobRoy, DYH, Dagger)
"It looks like we've got a bit of cleaning up to do," Alfred says to himself, looking at the heaps of rubble that litter the great hall.
It is now night 2. Actions are due by the end of Wednesday (CST). Day will begin sometime on Thursday. These dates could come sooner if I get all actions in early.
The enormous council table from before has been brought back, and you take your places around it. "Hey, weren't there 17 chairs at this thing yesterday?" asks Roja.
Alfred looks grim and nods. "The table always knows exactly how many chairs to unfold."
"Cool feature," continues Roja. "I guess we're down one since Some One got dragged off, but I only count 14 places..."
The janitor, standing in a doorway up to this point, coughs conspicuously. "I found one of your missing boys over this way," he says as he cocks his head down the hallway. The group rushes down the hall to find that it's ced395. He's lying on the floor of his room, head cut open to reveal his brain. It's pretty gross, so you only stay long enough to determine his identity. The dresser drawer full of polished silver forks gives it away.
Ced395, AKA The Blue Raja (Townie Neighbor), has been killed.
A shout from another part of the manor indicates that someone's found something else. It's ~Tilde~, though the only way you're really sure is through process of elimination. His body's been charred to a corpse, but you still recognize him through the shovel that lies by his side.
~Tilde~, AKA The Shoveler (Townie Roleblocker), has been killed.
"Let's not wait around all day," says The Mad Tapper. "We're here to make sure stuff like this stops happening." A murmur of agreement takes you back to the great hall, where the day's discussion can begin.
It is now Day 3. With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch.
More later....need time to think.
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spotofprey should be one of our first topics of discussion, but I'm curious if any of the exposed power roles (Cubus, DYH) have anything to say first.
If Cubus and GR have anything new to add, that'd be good, too.
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And I'm rather disappointed in the lack of kills on the relevant targets.
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No, that would be a "friendly neighbor". There is a difference.
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*Insert Cryptic Answer Here*
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Abandon Hope
andelijah
CropCircles
Infinis
JqlGirl
Roja
SpotofPrey
The Mad Tapper
8 targets, probable scum 3 or 4. Good percentage there.
As before I'd take infinis off the list, dropping us to 7...
But before i make a decision, we need to hear from goat and spotofprey...again.
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Vote Goatrevolt
Where's this list coming from?
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Nah.
Why it's elementary PoE, my dear Watson.
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Curious on SpotofPrey here....I'm almost leaning toward believing him.
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Waiting on mr goatrevolt.
SPOT: Flavor of RB, please.
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