I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I realistically do not expect to find scum in the second grouping. Someone else can put me somewhere in the order - I don't have any problems claiming first if desired.
I realistically do not expect to find scum in the second grouping. Someone else can put me somewhere in the order - I don't have any problems claiming first if desired.
You honestly think i'm scum? How curious. (Especially considering i've essentially claimed, but w/e).
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
You honestly think i'm scum? How curious. (Especially considering i've essentially claimed, but w/e).
Yes. With process of elimination left, I find The Mad Tapper least likely of the three of you to be scum. That is certainly available for change, but for the purposes of claiming, making an order based off my gut seems fine.
Yes. With process of elimination left, I find The Mad Tapper least likely of the three of you to be scum. That is certainly available for change, but for the purposes of claiming, making an order based off my gut seems fine.
You've cleared cropcircles again for no reason. Wanna explain?
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
You've cleared cropcircles again for no reason. Wanna explain?
We're entering a massclaim. Unless you want me to claim first (which is a legitimate request - if you are willing to outright say it), I don't see why you're asking this question.
We're entering a massclaim. Unless you want me to claim first (which is a legitimate request - if you are willing to outright say it), I don't see why you're asking this question.
I do want you to claim first. Since the bit about not roleblocking spotofprey, you've been quite curious, to say the least to me.
And you never gave me the impression this information was role related.
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That would be my order of preference for claiming.
EBWODP: that's fine. Like i said, people have more or less figured out my claim anyhow.
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Do you have some reason to behaviorally suspect him?
Honestly, no, and i've been not too good over the last 2 days at keeping track of everyone's overall play. That said, you're clearing him is a bit bizarre unless its role-related, but again you're dancing around that question.
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So why do you have a problem with me clearing him?
You're right, I am being too rational.
Why would it be bizarre to clear someone based on your read of them?
You put the guy in a grouping with two guys who are seemingly cleared by ROLE. That's why its bizarre.
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That would be my order of preference for claiming.
Just curious on your listings here Goat and why Andelijah isnt higher?
Since I would assume we are all for the mass claim I don't mind claiming. I am/was the 1 shot Vig. I attempted to Kill Spotofprey on night 2, as you can tell it didn't kill him. I killed an "image" of him.
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Since I would assume we are all for the mass claim I don't mind claiming. I am/was the 1 shot Vig. I attempted to Kill Spotofprey on night 2, as you can tell it didn't kill him. I killed an "image" of him.
I looked over my PM from that night and was remided that I was in a "daze" when I attacked him. I couldn't explain what happened, and asked, with no one answering me, if anyone did anything to me. After seeing Inifinis comming up "backup" RBler it makes sence that he could have hit me thus me still shooting a fake target. That is that is my theory unless someone else here can make images.
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And to settle the obvious question, yes i was ced's "neighbor," though i didnt know that was what the hell that term referred to (i like night communicater or unconfirmed mason instead) until ged explained over pm an hour before cubus also caught on in the thread.
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I was vanilla at the beginning of the game. Night 1, CropCircles made me a shirt that had several benefits. CropCircles can elaborate on this if he or others want, but I don't think its necessary.
This is why CropCircles is clear.
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Just curious on your listings here Goat and why Andelijah isnt higher?
I'm an inventor. I started with two items, I gave one item to ande Night 1, and another to DYH the night he died. I can claim what, but I'd prefer not to. At this point, I'm essentially vanilla.
I have some things to say to this, but first, can someone please explain to me why the scum would continue to block goat and not kill Cubus? This doesn't make any sense.
I'm an inventor. I started with two items, I gave one item to ande Night 1, and another to DYH the night he died. I can claim what, but I'd prefer not to. At this point, I'm essentially vanilla.
I have some things to say to this, but first, can someone please explain to me why the scum would continue to block goat and not kill Cubus? This doesn't make any sense.
For the record, its for this reason i want a claim out of Cubus. Something's fishy here.
Incidentally my top suspects are TMT followed by andelijah. I suspected that TMT was scum day 1, lost track of him, and now i'm kind of suspicious of him again after the claim.
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I believe Roja has to be one of the remaining scum. Roja claims to have tried to kill SoP, but was told he only killed an "image" of him. The problem here is that there's nothing to account for that.
Tilde's role-block from that night was almost certainly on SoP. SoP would have had no reason to lie about it, because if he did he could simply have been counter-claimed by the person who really got role-blocked. Not to mention the whole "I thought I attacked him but was in a daze" bit doesn't fit with Infinis' description of Tilde's role-block. GR claimed to have been role-blocked that night as well. So the town and scum role-blocks are accounted for. If an ability caused Roja to kill an "image", it would have had to have been an ability of one of the two remaining scum. But neither of them could have done it Night 2 because there was a scum role-block and a scum kill despite SoP being blocked. The conclusion I draw here is that there's no way a scum could have prevented Roja from killing SoP, and there are no townie abilities that could account for what happened. I therefore must conclude that Roja is scum.
Goat voted for you yesterday before JQLscum was killed. I just was curious that he voted this way and then had you were not higher on his "wanting to claim" list.
If Tilde was alive, Infinis could not have been a roleblocker.
IF this is true then I have no idea what happened to me over night 2. I wasted my shot on this image of Spotofprey.
I believe Roja has to be one of the remaining scum. Roja claims to have tried to kill SoP, but was told he only killed an "image" of him. The problem here is that there's nothing to account for that.
I don't understand what you are saying here TMT. RR, Infinis, Goat have all claimed to have been roleblocked. And there is nothing to account for them. There wasen't anything to account for them, why am I different?
Tilde's role-block from that night was almost certainly on SoP. SoP would have had no reason to lie about it, because if he did he could simply have been counter-claimed by the person who really got role-blocked.
Which is in part why I didn't say anything at the start of Day three. I felt that it was odd that with Spot on the edge of being ousted as scum anyone would target me to be blocked.
Not to mention the whole "I thought I attacked him but was in a daze" bit doesn't fit with Infinis' description of Tilde's role-block.
I wasen't knocked out the entire night like the others. I still used my shot. I think that is the difference between me and the others. I am a 1 shot vrs a continued ability.
GR claimed to have been role-blocked that night as well. So the town and scum role-blocks are accounted for.
I knew that the "scums" RB had something to do with being jolted or something. And that Tilde's was a hit on the head/shover black out overnight. Tilde using his ability on me made no sence, esp with Spot claiming he was (Rightfully) roleblocked. I had no answers as to what happened to me. I Killed a spotofprey, (I blew off his head... sigh I know how dirty that sounds but it's the best way to describe it.) To find out that the next day that it didn't happen.
If an ability caused Roja to kill an "image", it would have had to have been an ability of one of the two remaining scum. But neither of them could have done it Night 2 because there was a scum role-block and a scum kill despite SoP being blocked. The conclusion I draw here is that there's no way a scum could have prevented Roja from killing SoP, and there are no townie abilities that could account for what happened. I therefore must conclude that Roja is scum.
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With CC claiming that he gave items, I am curious to belive that maybe Spot had something in his possession that prevented his death? Not saying CC provided it, but who knows if the scum have items as well? Until now I was under the assumtion that Infinis RBed me that night because it wasent the same as the other two blocks AND My shot was used..
And before anyone sudjests it, I also have ruled out the possability of there being a Scum doctor as Cyan's role + a Doctor would essentally make him invincable, which isn't how he played this game. (Unlike FF7 mafia).
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For the record, its for this reason i want a claim out of Cubus. Something's fishy here.
I second this.
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Btw: I'd totally see Ged put two town neighbours in a game that flavorwise have no reason to be neighbours at all, while at the same time they're both in the game with another character from the same source. It's just that loran's played so scummy
How so? The only scummy thing i can think of doing is getting lazy the last 4 or so days (one of which i relied on ced's observations, and the other 3 i've been stagnant). That's me being not the greatest help, but not scummy.
(Incidentally, the flavor of my neighborness is that i met ced at a bar and he seemed friendly and i felt it was nice to have a partner to talk to in such situations. The point's moot as neighborness does not equal clearedness though.)
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Uh, no. The correct answer is i'm never lazy the FIRST few DAYS as town. Afterwards my ADD, my habit of getting caught up with other things (such as other mafia games, homeworks, clan thingys, video games, etc) diminish my effectiveness.
This is hardly a tell either way incidentally, though i think i'm more active in the endgames as scum. But I'm rarely in that position sooooo yeah.
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Andelijah: Does the flavor of the item you received fit with something coming from Edna Mode?
Yes and no. I did not get it and immediately think of Edna Mode, but knowing who he is, I can see how the flavor does fit.
The better question, I think, is "does the function of the item I received fit with something coming from a townie?" And the answer to that is very wholeheartedly "yes." I cannot see him as scum.
How so? The only scummy thing i can think of doing is getting lazy the last 4 or so days (one of which i relied on ced's observations, and the other 3 i've been stagnant). That's me being not the greatest help, but not scummy.
I can think of fun Cyan interactions day 1. That certainly wasn't your greatest moment.
I can think of fun Cyan interactions day 1. That certainly wasn't your greatest moment.
Being wrong isn't scummy.
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The tell clearly isn't absolute, as you haven't been voted for it, but it is definitely a tell.
No. Defending a scum player for reasons that are utterly bogus can be scummy. As then the player isn't honestly defending someone he thinks is town.
as opposed to my circumstance, where I genuinely thought Cyan was town since i didn't believe in the type of attacks being used against him.
You can try spinning that wrongly so it makes me look scummy, though if you're townie, i'm not sure why you'd try ;-)
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Andelijah: Does the flavor of the item you received fit with something coming from Edna Mode?
Neither of the items had any real flavor tie. Obviously, Edna makes a lot of sense as an inventor, and their both items that she could have, but their not things that showed up in the movie, or anything like that.
Not a lot of time right now, but I plan on doing some rereading in the next few days.
I don't understand what you are saying here TMT. RR, Infinis, Goat have all claimed to have been roleblocked. And there is nothing to account for them. There wasen't anything to account for them, why am I different?
What I'm saying is that, given the actions and roles that have been claimed, there's simply no room for whatever would have kept you from killing SoP, barring a few unlikely scenarios. To clarify, the only way you could have shot at SoP but failed is if:
A) Tilde blocked you Night 2.
B) GR is lying scum and either he or his remaining teammate blocked you Night 2.
C) The scum have a redirect, and redirected Tilde's block to you.
D) The scum had a preemptive ability used on SoP Night 1 that protected him or role-blocked you on Night 2.
Point A seems horribly unlikely to me. If you go back and read Day 2, particularly Tilde's posts Day 2, it makes absolutely no sense for Tilde to have targeted you.
Point B also makes no sense. Scum role-blocking you over Cubus is ridiculous unless Cubus is also scum. But both GR and Cubus being scum and selling out two teammates on Day 2 to attempt to secure the end-game seems like a terribly risky gambit, considering how easily it could go south due to a cop counter-claim or a cross-kill from the SK.
Point C suffers from the same problems as B. There's simply no way they would have chosen you over Cubus.
Point D is ridiculous as well, as it means the scum either had both an ascetic and a protect, or they had an ascetic and an extra role-block.
That's the only possibilities. Given the kills, claimed roles and claimed actions, I can see no other possibilities existing. I find the four above scenarios less likely than the idea of you being scum, therefore my vote stands.
I thought Andelijah and CC were masons, which is why they dropped on my scum list. As it stands, Andelijah receiving an item from CC doesn't really clear him at all.
I want to read through Roja's posts and see if his claim fits. Considering he is a vig, and Spot claimed to be a vig, Roja should have been 100% convinced Spot was scum. If his play doesn't support this, then I'd be all for lynching him.
In terms of Roja's claim, I disagree with TMT, that the claim is a surefire "Roja is scum" thing. The scum having a way to stop what would be an obvious vig shot on Spot wouldn't really surprise me.
I thought Andelijah and CC were masons, which is why they dropped on my scum list. As it stands, Andelijah receiving an item from CC doesn't really clear him at all.
I've gotten through day 1. The review is not particularly comprehensive, because I don't want to type 50 pages of analysis. It is just stuff that stuck out to me so far. Hopefully I'll finish it by tonight.
@Everyone: Has anyone played with Ged hosting before? If so, does he allow the submission of multiple abilities each night? For example, does he allow a single player to both roleblock and kill in a night?
@Everyone: Has anyone played with Ged hosting before? If so, does he allow the submission of multiple abilities each night? For example, does he allow a single player to both roleblock and kill in a night?
I think i may have played under ged on wifom once, but i can't remember the game....and wifom appears to actually be down and unaccessible.
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i have not playe dwith ged before. so I do not know that answer.
Cubus, direct me as to what i should learn from day 4. what did I miss? I am seeing that cropcirles gave andelijah something unknown that makes andelija think CC is town. hwat did i miss?
at any rate i'm starting to lean at andelijah being town even wihtout the mason business. the whole spot should get a free kill on goat, and maybe prove himself in the process shenaingans seems absurd to me,and scummy, but maybe it's not a true rep of andelijah-sucm. worth a read throguh if nothign else.
roja to be honest i don't know. i kind of think he's town actually. he was one who responded to me voting adnelijah with a "role base?" question. scum knew it was not rolebased cause they eletrocuted my tender body yet again. those dirty *****s. maybe he's faking it...i have to read him up again, and see if his claim fits his role. roja, do you conisder 1-shot vig an important role?
loran kind of strikes me as town too...i'm actually leaning the tapper of mad proportsions being scum here. his push on roja seems...not legit...faking emphasis or osmething?
actually that is a lie...i played a newb game with ged, but died like night 1 or two...not sure if that means anything.
loran was in that game...what say you loran?
Which game?
Oh. Wow, i completely forgot about team fortress mafia.
Just checked my PMs and it appears that we werent allowed double actions in that game (in other words, the scum blocker wasn't able to kill and block on the same night).
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Some One asks "@ Roja - how many, and which, games have you played in? In other words, what is your level of noobishness?" I find that an odd question, but haven't decided how to interpret it yet. It just doesn't sit right with me.
Here he says "this is only to please Goat and DYH."
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Day 1 votes: Some One, Cyan, JqlGirl
Thoughts on other players: Cubus
Can be scum, but then the town is severely lacking investigative roles (mildly possible). Also would have had to give up a buddy early day two, after a scum lynch and no overnight deaths.
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Can be scum, but then he would have given up a buddy after Cubus already revealed one. I figure this is even less likely than Cubus being scum.
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I think everyone knows my opinion of him.
The most relevant information for today: The Mad Tapper's day 1 voting record is excellent. loran's day 2 votes are equally good.
Overall, I think there is already enough for a Vote: Roja
Additionally, however, there is no night action that explains why Roja would miss.
Let's assume that there were three scum left that night. SpotofPrey was roleblocked, buddy1 was roleblocking goatrevolt, and buddy2 was committing the kill. No one in the town has provided a way for the kill to miss, and I cannot see a scum ability being available for use that night. And it clearly wasn't an inherent ability (like Cyan's ascetic) because SpotofPrey has come up vanilla.
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Very up for this.
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loran
Roja
The Mad Tapper
CropCircles
Cubus
goatrevolt
I realistically do not expect to find scum in the second grouping. Someone else can put me somewhere in the order - I don't have any problems claiming first if desired.
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You honestly think i'm scum? How curious. (Especially considering i've essentially claimed, but w/e).
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You've cleared cropcircles again for no reason. Wanna explain?
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Roja
TMT
Loran
Andelijah
CropCircles
Cubus
Me.
That would be my order of preference for claiming.
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I do want you to claim first. Since the bit about not roleblocking spotofprey, you've been quite curious, to say the least to me.
And you never gave me the impression this information was role related.
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EBWODP: that's fine. Like i said, people have more or less figured out my claim anyhow.
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Do you have some reason to behaviorally suspect him?
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Honestly, no, and i've been not too good over the last 2 days at keeping track of everyone's overall play. That said, you're clearing him is a bit bizarre unless its role-related, but again you're dancing around that question.
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You're right, I am being too rational.
Why would it be bizarre to clear someone based on your read of them?
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You put the guy in a grouping with two guys who are seemingly cleared by ROLE. That's why its bizarre.
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Just curious on your listings here Goat and why Andelijah isnt higher?
Since I would assume we are all for the mass claim I don't mind claiming. I am/was the 1 shot Vig. I attempted to Kill Spotofprey on night 2, as you can tell it didn't kill him. I killed an "image" of him.
I looked over my PM from that night and was remided that I was in a "daze" when I attacked him. I couldn't explain what happened, and asked, with no one answering me, if anyone did anything to me. After seeing Inifinis comming up "backup" RBler it makes sence that he could have hit me thus me still shooting a fake target. That is that is my theory unless someone else here can make images.
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The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
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Wouldn't Tilde Roleblock Spotofprey?
I was vanilla at the beginning of the game. Night 1, CropCircles made me a shirt that had several benefits. CropCircles can elaborate on this if he or others want, but I don't think its necessary.
This is why CropCircles is clear.
Why should I be higher?
If Tilde was alive, Infinis could not have been a roleblocker.
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Roja - 1-shot vig
TMT - Vanilla, but awesome
Loran - Neighborlicious
Andelijah - Vanilla
CropCircles -Sexy Inventor
Cubus - Cop-ish-or-something
goatrevolt - Tracker
I have some things to say to this, but first, can someone please explain to me why the scum would continue to block goat and not kill Cubus? This doesn't make any sense.
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For the record, its for this reason i want a claim out of Cubus. Something's fishy here.
Incidentally my top suspects are TMT followed by andelijah. I suspected that TMT was scum day 1, lost track of him, and now i'm kind of suspicious of him again after the claim.
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Tilde's role-block from that night was almost certainly on SoP. SoP would have had no reason to lie about it, because if he did he could simply have been counter-claimed by the person who really got role-blocked. Not to mention the whole "I thought I attacked him but was in a daze" bit doesn't fit with Infinis' description of Tilde's role-block. GR claimed to have been role-blocked that night as well. So the town and scum role-blocks are accounted for. If an ability caused Roja to kill an "image", it would have had to have been an ability of one of the two remaining scum. But neither of them could have done it Night 2 because there was a scum role-block and a scum kill despite SoP being blocked. The conclusion I draw here is that there's no way a scum could have prevented Roja from killing SoP, and there are no townie abilities that could account for what happened. I therefore must conclude that Roja is scum.
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The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
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RR was blocked Night 1, but after that it's been exclusively GR.
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Goat voted for you yesterday before JQLscum was killed. I just was curious that he voted this way and then had you were not higher on his "wanting to claim" list.
IF this is true then I have no idea what happened to me over night 2. I wasted my shot on this image of Spotofprey.
I don't understand what you are saying here TMT. RR, Infinis, Goat have all claimed to have been roleblocked. And there is nothing to account for them. There wasen't anything to account for them, why am I different?
Which is in part why I didn't say anything at the start of Day three. I felt that it was odd that with Spot on the edge of being ousted as scum anyone would target me to be blocked.
I wasen't knocked out the entire night like the others. I still used my shot. I think that is the difference between me and the others. I am a 1 shot vrs a continued ability.
I knew that the "scums" RB had something to do with being jolted or something. And that Tilde's was a hit on the head/shover black out overnight. Tilde using his ability on me made no sence, esp with Spot claiming he was (Rightfully) roleblocked. I had no answers as to what happened to me. I Killed a spotofprey, (I blew off his head... sigh I know how dirty that sounds but it's the best way to describe it.) To find out that the next day that it didn't happen.
With CC claiming that he gave items, I am curious to belive that maybe Spot had something in his possession that prevented his death? Not saying CC provided it, but who knows if the scum have items as well? Until now I was under the assumtion that Infinis RBed me that night because it wasent the same as the other two blocks AND My shot was used..
And before anyone sudjests it, I also have ruled out the possability of there being a Scum doctor as Cyan's role + a Doctor would essentally make him invincable, which isn't how he played this game. (Unlike FF7 mafia).
I second this.
Well scratch that idea then.
How so? The only scummy thing i can think of doing is getting lazy the last 4 or so days (one of which i relied on ced's observations, and the other 3 i've been stagnant). That's me being not the greatest help, but not scummy.
(Incidentally, the flavor of my neighborness is that i met ced at a bar and he seemed friendly and i felt it was nice to have a partner to talk to in such situations. The point's moot as neighborness does not equal clearedness though.)
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Uh, no. The correct answer is i'm never lazy the FIRST few DAYS as town. Afterwards my ADD, my habit of getting caught up with other things (such as other mafia games, homeworks, clan thingys, video games, etc) diminish my effectiveness.
This is hardly a tell either way incidentally, though i think i'm more active in the endgames as scum. But I'm rarely in that position sooooo yeah.
:-P
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The better question, I think, is "does the function of the item I received fit with something coming from a townie?" And the answer to that is very wholeheartedly "yes." I cannot see him as scum.
I can think of fun Cyan interactions day 1. That certainly wasn't your greatest moment.
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Being wrong isn't scummy.
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The tell clearly isn't absolute, as you haven't been voted for it, but it is definitely a tell.
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No. Defending a scum player for reasons that are utterly bogus can be scummy. As then the player isn't honestly defending someone he thinks is town.
as opposed to my circumstance, where I genuinely thought Cyan was town since i didn't believe in the type of attacks being used against him.
You can try spinning that wrongly so it makes me look scummy, though if you're townie, i'm not sure why you'd try ;-)
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Not a lot of time right now, but I plan on doing some rereading in the next few days.
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What I'm saying is that, given the actions and roles that have been claimed, there's simply no room for whatever would have kept you from killing SoP, barring a few unlikely scenarios. To clarify, the only way you could have shot at SoP but failed is if:
A) Tilde blocked you Night 2.
B) GR is lying scum and either he or his remaining teammate blocked you Night 2.
C) The scum have a redirect, and redirected Tilde's block to you.
D) The scum had a preemptive ability used on SoP Night 1 that protected him or role-blocked you on Night 2.
Point A seems horribly unlikely to me. If you go back and read Day 2, particularly Tilde's posts Day 2, it makes absolutely no sense for Tilde to have targeted you.
Point B also makes no sense. Scum role-blocking you over Cubus is ridiculous unless Cubus is also scum. But both GR and Cubus being scum and selling out two teammates on Day 2 to attempt to secure the end-game seems like a terribly risky gambit, considering how easily it could go south due to a cop counter-claim or a cross-kill from the SK.
Point C suffers from the same problems as B. There's simply no way they would have chosen you over Cubus.
Point D is ridiculous as well, as it means the scum either had both an ascetic and a protect, or they had an ascetic and an extra role-block.
That's the only possibilities. Given the kills, claimed roles and claimed actions, I can see no other possibilities existing. I find the four above scenarios less likely than the idea of you being scum, therefore my vote stands.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
I want to read through Roja's posts and see if his claim fits. Considering he is a vig, and Spot claimed to be a vig, Roja should have been 100% convinced Spot was scum. If his play doesn't support this, then I'd be all for lynching him.
In terms of Roja's claim, I disagree with TMT, that the claim is a surefire "Roja is scum" thing. The scum having a way to stop what would be an obvious vig shot on Spot wouldn't really surprise me.
I don't expect it to clear me, just CropCircles.
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@Everyone: Has anyone played with Ged hosting before? If so, does he allow the submission of multiple abilities each night? For example, does he allow a single player to both roleblock and kill in a night?
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I think i may have played under ged on wifom once, but i can't remember the game....and wifom appears to actually be down and unaccessible.
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Cubus, direct me as to what i should learn from day 4. what did I miss? I am seeing that cropcirles gave andelijah something unknown that makes andelija think CC is town. hwat did i miss?
at any rate i'm starting to lean at andelijah being town even wihtout the mason business. the whole spot should get a free kill on goat, and maybe prove himself in the process shenaingans seems absurd to me,and scummy, but maybe it's not a true rep of andelijah-sucm. worth a read throguh if nothign else.
roja to be honest i don't know. i kind of think he's town actually. he was one who responded to me voting adnelijah with a "role base?" question. scum knew it was not rolebased cause they eletrocuted my tender body yet again. those dirty *****s. maybe he's faking it...i have to read him up again, and see if his claim fits his role. roja, do you conisder 1-shot vig an important role?
loran kind of strikes me as town too...i'm actually leaning the tapper of mad proportsions being scum here. his push on roja seems...not legit...faking emphasis or osmething?
loran was in that game...what say you loran?
Nothing fake or not legit about it. I'm very serious.
Record: 3-2
Simpsons Mafia (Newbie) - Vanilla Mafia - Win
The Fiasco Corporation - Town Reporter - Loss
Doomsday Mafia - Mafia Roleblocker - Win
Battle Royale Mafia - Serial Daykiller - Loss
Danger City Mafia - Vanilla Town - Win
Which game?
Oh. Wow, i completely forgot about team fortress mafia.
Just checked my PMs and it appears that we werent allowed double actions in that game (in other words, the scum blocker wasn't able to kill and block on the same night).
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Roja
Why is a 1-shot vig that important?
Some One asks "@ Roja - how many, and which, games have you played in? In other words, what is your level of noobishness?" I find that an odd question, but haven't decided how to interpret it yet. It just doesn't sit right with me.
Here he says "this is only to please Goat and DYH."
I don't like this post, I don't know why.
Despite the conclusion here, he doesn't vote Cyan again.
loran
ced's FOS of some one feels pretty awful.
Day 2 votes: Some One, spotofprey
Some One and him got into a mild spat
The Mad Tapper
First vote of Some One in the game?
Day 1 votes: Some One, Cyan, JqlGirl
Thoughts on other players:
Cubus
Can be scum, but then the town is severely lacking investigative roles (mildly possible). Also would have had to give up a buddy early day two, after a scum lynch and no overnight deaths.
goatrevolt
Can be scum, but then he would have given up a buddy after Cubus already revealed one. I figure this is even less likely than Cubus being scum.
CropCircles
I think everyone knows my opinion of him.
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The most relevant information for today: The Mad Tapper's day 1 voting record is excellent. loran's day 2 votes are equally good.
Overall, I think there is already enough for a
Vote: Roja
Additionally, however, there is no night action that explains why Roja would miss.
Let's assume that there were three scum left that night. SpotofPrey was roleblocked, buddy1 was roleblocking goatrevolt, and buddy2 was committing the kill. No one in the town has provided a way for the kill to miss, and I cannot see a scum ability being available for use that night. And it clearly wasn't an inherent ability (like Cyan's ascetic) because SpotofPrey has come up vanilla.
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Andelijah, that works if there is 1 scum left. If there are 2 scum left, then it's not guaranteed.
That night, the scum team was:
Cyan - dead
Some One - dead
spotofprey - blocked
Unknown 1 - Killing Tilde
Unknown 2 - blocking you
That leaves no one able to inhibit Roja.
This is besides the fact that he is behaviorally the most likely scum as well.
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