Sweet. Okay, at this point I'm most inclined to vote Dranith simply because he's not doing much. Everyone else has been participating at an acceptable level except Dranith, who probably doesn't even know what's going on. If Samoht is right about Frenger being scummy, then that makes Dranith suspect.
And hey, my daykill of lostandthedamned because of his low participation worked, maybe killing another low flier would work too Vote Dranith.
true, I didn't consider the possibility of a godfather.
General consensus says ced, CC and myself are town. Not sure on general opinion on Samoht. I don't think it would be wise to lynch TFO today with the investigation (perhaps in a day or so...)
That really only leaves Dranith.
It seems unlikely Zindabad was killed due to power-role suspicions, given there was already a juicy power-role (+ confirmed town) in the shape of BC.
It also seems unlikely that Zinda was offed due to analytical prowess -- while he is (was) one of the better players in this particular game, IMO, CC, BigCountry and ced were all similarly viable targets, who were much more active during day1.
Therefore, I think Either: Zindabad hit a nerve with someone (with some analysis in passing, or this is a major knee-jerk from Evilzak.)
Or it is an attempt to WIFOM a lynch onto evilzak.
Secondly: the re-read Gives me lingering doubts about TFO's alignment (but with the cop investigation I am willing to cut him slack for the day); as well as feeling very comfortable with CC's town-ness.
Further: unvote, Vote Samoht for being generally scummy early on, as well as being conspicuously absent during the run-up to AE's lynching -- only appearing to hammer him when the outcome was quite clear. That and his lynch will give more information that that of Dranith.
I'd actually be in favor of a mass claim right now. With only one mafia left (almost certainly), and most of the crucial roles already out in the open, it could only help us.
Dranith is my favorite, atm, by process of elimination, and because his only real post wasn't a good one. Voting off of another player's gut read isn't good townie play.
I've got a generally good vibe from Samoht, and Ced's willingness to hammer AE before he claimed is a decent indication that he is town. EvilZak confirmed TFO, Mill and bigc are obv town. That leaves Eco and Dran as my top suspects, and Eco's last post I find generally agreeable, though I don't agree with the vote on Samoht.
Unvote, Vote Dranith
In other news, I'd be more then willing to go along with a mass claim. I'ts pretty unlikely to help us at this point, but I can't see it doing us any damage.
Not necessarily TFO yet. Remember we've seen a cop, a doc, a daykiller, and a mafia roleblocker. There's still one mafia role to be revealed, and the current setup seems to favor the town (especially if Milldawg's ability is multishot). That last scum could be a godfather.
Oh ok, I'm town though, if I was mafia you or samoht would be dead.
In which case, we've now got Eco, Dranith, Samoht, TFO, CC and me as possible scum. That gives us 4 lynches and 1 investigation (if we were to get a scum result) to find scum.
I'll have to do the math, but I think Milldawg using a further daykill wouldn't affect our number of kills, unless Milldawg has 2 or more kills left. So, there's not much point.
As for who to lynch today, I don't think Dranith is a good target. Frenger was scummy at times, but that was much to do with his attack on LatD. I would like to see him post more, though.
Seems like lurking to me, anyway, how many votes has Dranith got on him?
Actually Milladawg, It is more helpful to make the scummy players go first, so something like
Dranith
Samoht
Ecophagy
ced
TFO (a name)
Evilzak (name)
CC
and BC and Milla have already claimed.
I am not fantasically in favour of it, since I don't think It'll reveal anything (are there actually named characters in Halo?) but I guess it can't really hurt *shrug*
What we need is information, and this is one of the only surefire ways to gather information. But yeah, I do actually agree with your list....if Dranith ever posts, that is.
Hm, ced is right. Unless there's a godfather, we're in a very good position. In fact, even if there is a godfather, it's nigh impossible for him to win. Even if we were as inept as possible, and the mafia struck all the right targets, we'd have to be very unlucky to lose now. And since zindabad was murdered, we know the mafia aren't exactly geniuses when it comes to choosing targets
Yes, please prod Dranith. Also, let's proceed with the mass claim in any case (Samoht, if you would be so kind?) It may just turn up the last bit of evidence we need.
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nope, vote samoht - what happened here is what kman did in noob 20 when he claimed neutral and got counterclaimed by kraj, the real neutral
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this will be my first ever win...after 4 losses
anyway, i'm unsc drill sergeant - vanilla town and the lack of caps is because my shift is broken
It is highly unlikely there will be 2 neutral survivors. It is also would be suicide for me to counter claim if i was saving neutral for a false claim.
Clearly, Samoht went for a last ditch claim. Any last words chum?
@Someone: I srsly don't think you can count this as a win. You have only been playing for ~14 hours. you first post said GG
lol SSB prolly pissed as hell his game ended on day 2 and may get a mere 12 pages...
batman was like a 20 pg day 1...
lolzorz
Maybe he'll learn not to use Day-vigs in future then :xd:
Actually, with that in mind. If Samoht by Some Miracle Samoht DOES come up neutral, Can I request I be made the subject of tonight's investigation?
Obviously, If I am a Godfather, I will come up town; and that would be really strange having claimed neutral. hence, it makes sense since I can't worm my way out of a non-neutral result.
Just so's I can stay alive and win (Y)
Maybe he'll learn not to use Day-vigs in future then :xd:
Actually, with that in mind. If Samoht by Some Miracle Samoht DOES come up neutral, Can I request I be made the subject of tonight's investigation?
Obviously, If I am a Godfather, I will come up town; and that would be really strange having claimed neutral. hence, it makes sense since I can't worm my way out of a non-neutral result.
Just so's I can stay alive and win (Y)
But you would also come up guilty if you're a goon. It wouldn't prove anything. If you're both really survivors, the only way an investigation could prove it is with a guilty result on the mafia.
But you would also come up guilty if you're a goon. It wouldn't prove anything. If you're both really survivors, the only way an investigation could prove it is with a guilty result on the mafia.
Sort of.
If Samoht is neutral, investigate me. If I don't turn up neutral, lynch me as it means I am a)scum (guilty reult) b)godfather(innocent result)
If I come up neutral, it means another name cleared in the scum-hunt.
Me being investigated neutral also has an extra advantage in that I can't be a godfather hiding behind a townie result.
I believe it is a reasonable, pro-town request. It just saves you guys lynching me tomorrow (casuing me to lose) if Samoht is in fact telling the truth. It's all pretty moot because I really don't believe he is.
Gunfire echoes through your ears as Samoht is cornered and burned alive. The parasite becomes clear as the inhuman shrieks of it's death echo throughout the ship. Flood Combat Form [Human], has been exterminated. Congratulations to the town for a two day win!
For the record, the day vig would probably have not been allowed had this setup been reviewed (i don't think it's fit for a newbie game, which should prioritize the lynch and learning how to play for it as either town or mafia), but good job town for managing to win so well.
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you, you die. Seems that you were unlucky enough to be around the area, but you know you’re
not one of the infected. Find out who the infected are. Get them killed. Live to fight another day. You are a Vanilla Townie. Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso). Remember, you may only quote your rolename and its title.
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The Flood? You only know two things about them: 1) They’re hard as hell to kill. 2) They infect
you, you die. Seems that you were unlucky enough to be around the area, but you know you’re
not one of the infected. Find out who the infected are. Get them killed. Live to fight another day. You are a Vanilla Townie. Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso). Remember, you may only quote your role name and its title.
Allied Elite Zimb’far (Milldawg)
Warrior of countless battles, you are the fiercest of all the allied elites that have been stationed upon the human ship. You know that one of the infected is an elite. This shame will not be tolerated on your honor, and you will find and uproot this taint. You are a Townie Warrior. You have one daykill action. (Note: Daykill. Your warrior honor does not allow for such a cowardly act as to strike at night.) Your win condition is to eliminating all infected. (Mafioso) In addition to this, you know that there is one elite that is infected. Remember, the only things you may quote from this are your rolename and its title.
Master Chief Petty Officer Spartan 117, “John” (Evilzak)
Hero of the UNSC, scourge of the Covenant, and last surviving member of the Spartan program, you know the Flood, and you know who is, and who isn’t. Countless battles with the parasite have left you with knowledge and information left to only the higher ups. You know you’re not infected, and you know that this threat must be eliminated. You must live to fight another day. You are a Townie Cop. You may investigate one person every night, and you will learn whether or not they are infected. (infected = mafioso). Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso). Remember, the only item you can quote from this PM is your role name and it's title.
Allied Elite Pod Dropper (The Fallen One)
The Flood? The scourge upon all life has once again returned to kill you all. Upon your warrior's honor and the honor of the sangheili, you must uproot this taint and remove their existance from this world.
You are a Vanilla Townie. Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso). Remember, you may only quote your rolename and its title.
UNSC Combat Engineer (Cropcircles)
The Flood? You only know two things about them: 1) They’re hard as hell to kill. 2) They infect
you, you die. Seems that you were unlucky enough to be around the area, but you know you’re
not one of the infected. Find out who the infected are. Get them killed. Live to fight another day. You are a Vanilla Townie. Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso). Remember, you may only quote your role name and its title.
Sergeant Major Avery J. Johnson (BigCountry)
Looks like you’re in deep **** again, but what else is new? You’re not one of them. In fact, as a veteran that has gone to hell, back, and hell again, you are one of the few marines in the corp. that know how to save a person from Flood infection. It may not be pretty, but you get it done, and you can save the lives of fellow marines, so that they may live to fight another day. You are a Townie Doctor. You may protect one person every night, and that person is immune to all forms of killing. Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso). Remember, the only things that you may quote from this PM is your role name and its title.
United Nations Space Command (UNSC) Drill Sergeant (Frenger)
The Flood? You only know two things about them: 1) They’re hard as hell to kill. 2) They infect
you, you die. Seems that you were unlucky enough to be around the area, but you know you’re
not one of the infected. Find out who the infected are. Get them killed. Live to fight another day. You are a Vanilla Townie. Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso). Remember, you may only quote your rolename and its title.
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Flood Combat Form [Human] (Lostandthedamned)
Welcome, child. I am the Gravemind, and you are one of my many servants. Your will is mine, and my will is yours. My grand plan requires control of this ship, and you must infect the its crew. The foolish mortals believe that they can stop the inevitable. Show them the error of their ways. You are a Vanilla Mafioso. Your win condition is to bring the number of townies to equal (or lower) the amount of living townies. You are in league with Archmage Eternal and Samoht. You may speak with these two people during the night. Remember, you may only quote your rolename and its title.
Flood Combat Form [Elite] (Archmage Eternal)
Welcome, child. I am the Gravemind, and you are one of my many servants. Your will is mine, and my will is yours. My grand plan requires control of this ship, and you must infect the rest of ship. The foolish mortals believe that they can stop the inevitable. Show them the error of their ways. Due to your greater capacity for my intellect, I bestow upon you one of my gifts. Use it well. You are a Vanilla Mafioso. Your win condition is to bring the number of townies to equal (or lower) the amount of living townies. In addition, you have the ability to roleblock one person of your choice, as you see fit. That person will lose abilities for that night, and will be rendered incapable of taking any action. You are in league with Samoht and lostandthedamned. You may speak with these two people during the night.
Remember, the only things you can quote from this post is your role name and its title.
Flood Combat Form [Human] (Samoht)
Welcome, child. I am the Gravemind, and you are one of my many servants. Your will is mine, and my will is yours. My grand plan requires control of this ship, and you must infect its crew. The foolish mortals believe that they can stop the inevitable. Show them the error of their ways. You are a Vanilla Mafioso. Your win condition is to bring the number of townies to equal (or lower) the amount of living townies. You are in league with Archmage Eternal and lostandthedamned. You may speak with these two people during the night.
Remember, you may only quote your rolename and its title.
Neutrals
Cortana, Smart A.I. (Ecophagy)
The woman behind the scenes, you are the smartest, the brightest, and the most ruthless of anyone in this situation. The Flood aren’t stupid. They’re after you as well. Gravemind hasn’t forgotten…
Your only mission is to survive. Humanity can lose eight soldiers, but you’re irreplaceable. Find the infected and eliminate them, or have the infected eliminate the soldiers and kill them all in the end. You are a Neutral Survivor. Your win condition is to survive till the end of the game, regardless of whether or not the mafia wins or the town wins.
Remember, you may only quote your rolename and its title.
My goal with the mass claim was actually to use that second part of my ability. I knew that AE was the infected Elite, so the remaining mafia would not be an elite. I don't really know how this would actually have been useful, but maybe it could have worked. Anyway, we didn't need it Good job guys! Special thanks to lostandthedamned for getting shot by me
For the record, the day vig would probably have not been allowed had this setup been reviewed (i don't think it's fit for a newbie game, which should prioritize the lynch and learning how to play for it as either town or mafia), but good job town for managing to win so well.
I realized that after seeing the PMs. I deeply apologize...
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So we've just had a mass roleclaim and come up with two neutral survivors? WOW. That's a new one. Recapping...
D1: Samoht begins as the main target, it switches to AE eventually. Lostandthedamned becomes a primary suspect but mysteriously goes missing for an extended period of time, prompting 1-shot vig Milldawg to do the deed, killing him as scum. This prompts some suspicion on both Frenger and myself for giving pro-LatD statements at some point. I become more active in the game and turn my attention to AE while also having spats with EvilZak and bigcountry. Frenger replaces out into Dranith, who's obviously out of his depth and will be replaced by Some One after 2 posts. Ecophagy mostly lurks while making some allusion to how I'm pretty good, TFO and Samoht are both very involved early D1 but fade out towards D2, while bigcountry lapses in the middle but comes on strong later on. Ced seems to be an astute townie in the style of MetalPipe above. CropCircles rounds out the group with a few "guesses" early on in the day as to alignment as well as a call for AE to confirm he is a town power role after he dodges some questions by alluding to it. After originally questioning CC for giving AE an out, we join together to pressure him. He finally claims that he is the doctor, despite never being asked to full claim, but bigcountry counter-claims him and he is lynched as roleblocker. I get NK'ed.
INTERLUDE: WHY did I get NK'ed again when a confirmed doc is alive? Let the WIFOM begin:
Option #1: The remaining scum is one of my "targets" (so far, EvilZak, CC and bigcountry) and killed me to avoid a full-blown crusade on D2.
Option #2: The remaining scum is genuinely afraid of my ability as a scumhunter and kills me to stop me.
Option #3: The remaining scum plans to kill me to set up a mislynch on townie EvilZak or CC.
Let's dissect these options. #1 is unlikely, considering I already stated I felt EvilZak was town (he was, of course), bigcountry is a confirmed doc, and CC is an experienced player who would likely be able to outmaneuver me. #2, while I'd like to believe it could be true for the sake of my own ego, is also unlikely since bigcountry is just such a better target (confirmed doc and self-proclaimed experienced player) regardless of my own ability. Most likely is #3.
D2: Milldawg (who had just proclaimed me the most scummy before my NK) is at a loss about where to go. Ecophagy performs some gratuitious and seemingly unprovoked post-NK WIFOM. The town begins a mass roleclaim, revealing EvilZak as the cop who investigated TFO, turning him up town and Milldawg as a one-shot vig. Samoht then claims neutral survivor, which then prompts ECOPHAGY to counter-claim neutral survivor with the classic "die scum die."
SO WHAT THE HELL? Didn't anyone tell these people claiming neutral survivor is a TERRIBLE idea? I had originally suspected Ecophagy for his NK speculation (again reaffirming me as a good player while using WIFOM to play down the possibility of a lynch on my targets) But I'm having trouble seeing the last scum counter-claiming against a neutral on D2. What does he think will happen next? "Oh sorry guys, I'm actually vanilla town, just really thought he was scum and told a little white lie? My mistake?" This puts the finger of suspicion firmly on Samoht. Let's not forget my little quip in an earlier summary post I did on D1. I stated I thought both ced and TFO were town and that one of Samoht and EvilZak was scum. I originally meant that veiled remark as a snipe at EvilZak to see his reaction, but as I later confirmed him as town in my eyes, Samoht might have interpreted it as a smoking gun against him, leading him to NK me before I could follow up (modified option #1 above).
GAMING THE MOD! BUT all of this is complicated by the flavor. Ecophagy claimed his role is Cortana, the ship's AI. I'm not huge on Halo but even I know that Cortana is the AI girl who appears inside Master Chief's helmet...AND that sandsoft_blue, the moderator, had been using her as the narrator. Does this automatically rule her out of contention to be a role name? Is it possible that Ecophagy committed such a gross error? What kind of justification is there for Cortana being a neutral survivor? She's surely on the side of the good guys...or is it one of those mod tricks designed to stop people from doing exactly what I'm doing? Nevertheless...
Was a lot of fun playing with all of you. I admit that I believed Eco to be the remaining scum, so seeing the counter-claim was a surprise to me. I have to agree that this game would've gone very differently had Milldawg been a standard vig.
Eh, I kind of agree that newb games are not a great place for day abilities, but I think there's a certain amount of room for things like that. This game was still very basic, and perfectly balanced.
I'm not a huge fan of survivors and daykillers in newb games, but it isn't an objective fact that they shouldn't be here. A lot of very competant designers have disagreed with me and loran on that point. What I mean to say is this:
SSB, don't feel like the short game was your fault. The game followed a very basic set-up, with a couple extras to give it some flavor, and was totally balanced. I once saw a mini game with four mafia end on Night 2 with only one dead townie. It happens.
And FYI Samoht, you did have me completely fooled until the counter claim. You were pretty low on the list of people I thought could be the last scum.
I thought it was pretty solid, but should I have avoided posting at all and won without saying a word? Likewise - should I have voted and claimed all in my first post?
I'm not sure, like, could I have played it better?
Well, I guess Samoht just isn't very good He killed zindabad, perhaps the WORST POSSIBLE choice, and then claimed neutral, perhaps the WORST POSSIBLE CHOICE. Maybe he was suicidal
And FYI Samoht, you did have me completely fooled until the counter claim. You were pretty low on the list of people I thought could be the last scum.
I just had no clue what a safe claim could be. It didn't help that LatD and AE both were huge on the scum radar d1, and the dayvig going off d1 on LatD confirmed AE as scum. Then I found out Doc could self protect, and so tried to set up a mislynch on evilzak and he turned out to be cop. epic lose.
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I just had no clue what a safe claim could be. It didn't help that LatD and AE both were huge on the scum radar d1, and the dayvig going off d1 on LatD confirmed AE as scum. Then I found out Doc could self protect, and so tried to set up a mislynch on evilzak and he turned out to be cop. epic lose.
Wait, Doc could self protect? Where'd you get that? Did SSB say that?
And hey, my daykill of lostandthedamned because of his low participation worked, maybe killing another low flier would work too Vote Dranith.
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Therefore, I shall vote Dranith by a process of elimination.
(any counter-cop claims?)
General consensus says ced, CC and myself are town. Not sure on general opinion on Samoht. I don't think it would be wise to lynch TFO today with the investigation (perhaps in a day or so...)
That really only leaves Dranith.
A re-read is probably called for
First off, NK analysis:
It seems unlikely Zindabad was killed due to power-role suspicions, given there was already a juicy power-role (+ confirmed town) in the shape of BC.
It also seems unlikely that Zinda was offed due to analytical prowess -- while he is (was) one of the better players in this particular game, IMO, CC, BigCountry and ced were all similarly viable targets, who were much more active during day1.
Therefore, I think Either: Zindabad hit a nerve with someone (with some analysis in passing, or this is a major knee-jerk from Evilzak.)
Or it is an attempt to WIFOM a lynch onto evilzak.
Secondly: the re-read Gives me lingering doubts about TFO's alignment (but with the cop investigation I am willing to cut him slack for the day); as well as feeling very comfortable with CC's town-ness.
Further: unvote, Vote Samoht for being generally scummy early on, as well as being conspicuously absent during the run-up to AE's lynching -- only appearing to hammer him when the outcome was quite clear. That and his lynch will give more information that that of Dranith.
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I've got a generally good vibe from Samoht, and Ced's willingness to hammer AE before he claimed is a decent indication that he is town. EvilZak confirmed TFO, Mill and bigc are obv town. That leaves Eco and Dran as my top suspects, and Eco's last post I find generally agreeable, though I don't agree with the vote on Samoht.
Unvote, Vote Dranith
In other news, I'd be more then willing to go along with a mass claim. I'ts pretty unlikely to help us at this point, but I can't see it doing us any damage.
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I'll mass claim iif everyone else does, as in, I'm not opposed to it.
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Yeah, re read confirms that.
Oh ok, I'm town though, if I was mafia you or samoht would be dead.
For me its in between you, Dranith and Eco.
Seems like lurking to me, anyway, how many votes has Dranith got on him?
I'm Allied Elite Zimb'far, and I have one daykill, which I have already used. Sorry bigcountry, it's just the one.
Who's next?
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Dranith
Samoht
Ecophagy
ced
TFO (a name)
Evilzak (name)
CC
and BC and Milla have already claimed.
I am not fantasically in favour of it, since I don't think It'll reveal anything (are there actually named characters in Halo?) but I guess it can't really hurt *shrug*
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Rakdos, Lord of Riots - BR Group Murder-Hug
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Grenzo, Dungeon Warden - BR Randomized Toolbox
Karametra, God of Harvests - GW Ramp
Good point indeed. That list looks pretty much spot on.
Actually, Dranith hasn't posted since the 3rd, so perhaps a mod prod?
Yes, please prod Dranith. Also, let's proceed with the mass claim in any case (Samoht, if you would be so kind?) It may just turn up the last bit of evidence we need.
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Vote Count
Evilzak - TFO
Dranith - Milldawg, CropCircles, Ecophagy
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I am happy whichever claims first, since both are at the top of my scumlist.
I still not sure, 1-shot vig, cop & doc Vs a Roleblocker seems pretty balanced in my mind.
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I am Cortana, the ship's AI.
I am a Neutral Survivor.
Die Scum Die!
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nope, vote samoht - what happened here is what kman did in noob 20 when he claimed neutral and got counterclaimed by kraj, the real neutral
gg all and gj cc - i <3 u
this will be my first ever win...after 4 losses
anyway, i'm unsc drill sergeant - vanilla town and the lack of caps is because my shift is broken
It is highly unlikely there will be 2 neutral survivors. It is also would be suicide for me to counter claim if i was saving neutral for a false claim.
Clearly, Samoht went for a last ditch claim. Any last words chum?
@Someone: I srsly don't think you can count this as a win. You have only been playing for ~14 hours. you first post said GG
unvote, vote Samoht
Hanna, Ship's Navigator - WU Enchantments Control
Wort, the Raidmother - RG Copy ALL the Spells!
Rakdos, Lord of Riots - BR Group Murder-Hug
Reaper King - WUBRG Token Copies
Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker - B Sacrifice Engine
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden - BR Randomized Toolbox
Karametra, God of Harvests - GW Ramp
i can do what i want, who are you to say otherwise?
*some* of us didn't replace in shortly before the critical point. We got to watch first hand the most hilarious day1 on record (Y)
lol SSB prolly pissed as hell his game ended on day 2 and may get a mere 12 pages...
batman was like a 20 pg day 1...
lolzorz
Maybe he'll learn not to use Day-vigs in future then :xd:
Actually, with that in mind. If Samoht by Some Miracle Samoht DOES come up neutral, Can I request I be made the subject of tonight's investigation?
Obviously, If I am a Godfather, I will come up town; and that would be really strange having claimed neutral. hence, it makes sense since I can't worm my way out of a non-neutral result.
Just so's I can stay alive and win (Y)
Hanna, Ship's Navigator - WU Enchantments Control
Wort, the Raidmother - RG Copy ALL the Spells!
Rakdos, Lord of Riots - BR Group Murder-Hug
Reaper King - WUBRG Token Copies
Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker - B Sacrifice Engine
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden - BR Randomized Toolbox
Karametra, God of Harvests - GW Ramp
Vote: Samoht
But you would also come up guilty if you're a goon. It wouldn't prove anything. If you're both really survivors, the only way an investigation could prove it is with a guilty result on the mafia.
Sort of.
If Samoht is neutral, investigate me. If I don't turn up neutral, lynch me as it means I am a)scum (guilty reult) b)godfather(innocent result)
If I come up neutral, it means another name cleared in the scum-hunt.
Me being investigated neutral also has an extra advantage in that I can't be a godfather hiding behind a townie result.
I believe it is a reasonable, pro-town request. It just saves you guys lynching me tomorrow (casuing me to lose) if Samoht is in fact telling the truth. It's all pretty moot because I really don't believe he is.
Gunfire echoes through your ears as Samoht is cornered and burned alive. The parasite becomes clear as the inhuman shrieks of it's death echo throughout the ship. Flood Combat Form [Human], has been exterminated. Congratulations to the town for a two day win!
Damn right you are. Now I feel like I royally screwed up with the dayvig. Then again, I didn't expect the town to get two mafia day one...
I'll post the roles in a second.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
ODST Hell Jumper (Ced395)
The Flood? You only know two things about them: 1) They’re hard as hell to kill. 2) They infect
you, you die. Seems that you were unlucky enough to be around the area, but you know you’re
not one of the infected. Find out who the infected are. Get them killed. Live to fight another day.
You are a Vanilla Townie. Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso).
Remember, you may only quote your rolename and its title.
United Nations Space Command (UNSC) Marine (Zindabad)
The Flood? You only know two things about them: 1) They’re hard as hell to kill. 2) They infect
you, you die. Seems that you were unlucky enough to be around the area, but you know you’re
not one of the infected. Find out who the infected are. Get them killed. Live to fight another day.
You are a Vanilla Townie. Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso).
Remember, you may only quote your role name and its title.
Allied Elite Zimb’far
(Milldawg)
Warrior of countless battles, you are the fiercest of all the allied elites that have been stationed upon the human ship. You know that one of the infected is an elite. This shame will not be tolerated on your honor, and you will find and uproot this taint.
You are a Townie Warrior. You have one daykill action. (Note: Daykill. Your warrior honor does not allow for such a cowardly act as to strike at night.) Your win condition is to eliminating all infected. (Mafioso) In addition to this, you know that there is one elite that is infected. Remember, the only things you may quote from this are your rolename and its title.
Master Chief Petty Officer Spartan 117, “John” (Evilzak)
Hero of the UNSC, scourge of the Covenant, and last surviving member of the Spartan program, you know the Flood, and you know who is, and who isn’t. Countless battles with the parasite have left you with knowledge and information left to only the higher ups. You know you’re not infected, and you know that this threat must be eliminated. You must live to fight another day.
You are a Townie Cop. You may investigate one person every night, and you will learn whether or not they are infected. (infected = mafioso). Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso).
Remember, the only item you can quote from this PM is your role name and it's title.
Allied Elite Pod Dropper (The Fallen One)
The Flood? The scourge upon all life has once again returned to kill you all. Upon your warrior's honor and the honor of the sangheili, you must uproot this taint and remove their existance from this world.
You are a Vanilla Townie. Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso).
Remember, you may only quote your rolename and its title.
UNSC Combat Engineer (Cropcircles)
The Flood? You only know two things about them: 1) They’re hard as hell to kill. 2) They infect
you, you die. Seems that you were unlucky enough to be around the area, but you know you’re
not one of the infected. Find out who the infected are. Get them killed. Live to fight another day.
You are a Vanilla Townie. Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso).
Remember, you may only quote your role name and its title.
Sergeant Major Avery J. Johnson (BigCountry)
Looks like you’re in deep **** again, but what else is new? You’re not one of them. In fact, as a veteran that has gone to hell, back, and hell again, you are one of the few marines in the corp. that know how to save a person from Flood infection. It may not be pretty, but you get it done, and you can save the lives of fellow marines, so that they may live to fight another day.
You are a Townie Doctor. You may protect one person every night, and that person is immune to all forms of killing. Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso).
Remember, the only things that you may quote from this PM is your role name and its title.
United Nations Space Command (UNSC) Drill Sergeant (Frenger)
The Flood? You only know two things about them: 1) They’re hard as hell to kill. 2) They infect
you, you die. Seems that you were unlucky enough to be around the area, but you know you’re
not one of the infected. Find out who the infected are. Get them killed. Live to fight another day.
You are a Vanilla Townie. Your win condition is eliminating all infected (Mafioso).
Remember, you may only quote your rolename and its title.
Mafia
Flood Combat Form [Human] (Lostandthedamned)
Welcome, child. I am the Gravemind, and you are one of my many servants. Your will is mine, and my will is yours. My grand plan requires control of this ship, and you must infect the its crew. The foolish mortals believe that they can stop the inevitable. Show them the error of their ways.
You are a Vanilla Mafioso. Your win condition is to bring the number of townies to equal (or lower) the amount of living townies. You are in league with Archmage Eternal and Samoht. You may speak with these two people during the night.
Remember, you may only quote your rolename and its title.
Flood Combat Form [Elite] (Archmage Eternal)
Welcome, child. I am the Gravemind, and you are one of my many servants. Your will is mine, and my will is yours. My grand plan requires control of this ship, and you must infect the rest of ship. The foolish mortals believe that they can stop the inevitable. Show them the error of their ways. Due to your greater capacity for my intellect, I bestow upon you one of my gifts. Use it well.
You are a Vanilla Mafioso. Your win condition is to bring the number of townies to equal (or lower) the amount of living townies. In addition, you have the ability to roleblock one person of your choice, as you see fit. That person will lose abilities for that night, and will be rendered incapable of taking any action. You are in league with Samoht and lostandthedamned. You may speak with these two people during the night.
Remember, the only things you can quote from this post is your role name and its title.
Flood Combat Form [Human] (Samoht)
Welcome, child. I am the Gravemind, and you are one of my many servants. Your will is mine, and my will is yours. My grand plan requires control of this ship, and you must infect its crew. The foolish mortals believe that they can stop the inevitable. Show them the error of their ways.
You are a Vanilla Mafioso. Your win condition is to bring the number of townies to equal (or lower) the amount of living townies. You are in league with Archmage Eternal and lostandthedamned. You may speak with these two people during the night.
Remember, you may only quote your rolename and its title.
Neutrals
Cortana, Smart A.I. (Ecophagy)
The woman behind the scenes, you are the smartest, the brightest, and the most ruthless of anyone in this situation. The Flood aren’t stupid. They’re after you as well. Gravemind hasn’t forgotten…
Your only mission is to survive. Humanity can lose eight soldiers, but you’re irreplaceable. Find the infected and eliminate them, or have the infected eliminate the soldiers and kill them all in the end.
You are a Neutral Survivor. Your win condition is to survive till the end of the game, regardless of whether or not the mafia wins or the town wins.
Remember, you may only quote your rolename and its title.
Hanna, Ship's Navigator - WU Enchantments Control
Wort, the Raidmother - RG Copy ALL the Spells!
Rakdos, Lord of Riots - BR Group Murder-Hug
Reaper King - WUBRG Token Copies
Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker - B Sacrifice Engine
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden - BR Randomized Toolbox
Karametra, God of Harvests - GW Ramp
I realized that after seeing the PMs. I deeply apologize...
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Hope to play with you all again soon!
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
I'm not a huge fan of survivors and daykillers in newb games, but it isn't an objective fact that they shouldn't be here. A lot of very competant designers have disagreed with me and loran on that point. What I mean to say is this:
SSB, don't feel like the short game was your fault. The game followed a very basic set-up, with a couple extras to give it some flavor, and was totally balanced. I once saw a mini game with four mafia end on Night 2 with only one dead townie. It happens.
And FYI Samoht, you did have me completely fooled until the counter claim. You were pretty low on the list of people I thought could be the last scum.
[The Family]
And honestly, i dont believe that the one shot daykiller role could be too much for a newb game.
Honestly, the daykiller may not be PERFECT for a newb game, but its a decent more advanced role.
I thought it was pretty solid, but should I have avoided posting at all and won without saying a word? Likewise - should I have voted and claimed all in my first post?
I'm not sure, like, could I have played it better?
Hanna, Ship's Navigator - WU Enchantments Control
Wort, the Raidmother - RG Copy ALL the Spells!
Rakdos, Lord of Riots - BR Group Murder-Hug
Reaper King - WUBRG Token Copies
Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker - B Sacrifice Engine
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden - BR Randomized Toolbox
Karametra, God of Harvests - GW Ramp
I just had no clue what a safe claim could be. It didn't help that LatD and AE both were huge on the scum radar d1, and the dayvig going off d1 on LatD confirmed AE as scum. Then I found out Doc could self protect, and so tried to set up a mislynch on evilzak and he turned out to be cop. epic lose.
Modern: Jund
T1: Remora Gush
MTGS Legacy Tournament #7 2nd
NYSE V Top 8, NYSE X Top 4, NYSE XVIII Top 4
Blue Bell X Top 4
Pro Tour: Philadelphia Day 2
NEV 4 1st, NEV 6 2nd, NEV 7 Top 4, NEV 9 Top 8, NEV 11 Top 8, NEV 13 Top 8
[The Family]