Then theres the chance the cop gets N/K or role blocked and we're back to square one. I don't know whats better a no lynch/lynch day one but when no lynch is brought up it tends to be frowned upon and fingers get pointed. We'll just have to wait till the rest of the town weights in.
+CC's post is a whole lot of nothing plus a meaningless "bet." Reading posts like this I think, "Why even post this?" or "Well, he's scum, so of course he can say that."
An insight into my own playstyle: it is infinitly more important for me to correctly guess players alignments then to win. I like winning, but if I had to choose between being right and losing because other people couldn't see it, or being wrong and winning because no one listened to me, I would choose being right and losing. "I told you so" is more fun to me then "thanks for not listening to me."
The point that I'm trying to make is that I wasn't trying to look like I was contributing. I know I wasn't really contributing. I want something to look back on so I can say "I told you so" or "wow I feel like a jackass," depending on the actual outcome.
The contributing part will come when I'm good and ready, I promise.
I am equally interested in ced, but I will wait for him to respond to bigc before deciding whether or not to vote.
It's just an accusation, like anything else. As to why:
+CC's post is a whole lot of nothing plus a meaningless "bet." Reading posts like this I think, "Why even post this?" or "Well, he's scum, so of course he can say that."
+ced395, on the other hand, looks a bit worse, which is why I voted him. He's making it a big deal to explain to Milldawg the no-lynch argument. Then, there's a weird interaction with CC, and finally, he asks someone else to do the explaining. A whole lot of nothing trying to appear to be something.
@Milldawg: but we get nowhere if we don't start accusing, so I encourage some stretches when it comes to Day 1.
Why would zindabad's post, offering even less content than CC's, be completely immune scrutiny?
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Why would zindabad's post, offering even less content than CC's, be completely immune scrutiny?
First, I think those offer about the same amount of content. Second, I glazed over this, and you bringing it to my attention adds another name I'd be willing to lynch today.
Given CC's response, I'd put my current preferred order as:
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Well CropCircles, as long as your preference for sleuthing doesn't come into conflict with others' desire to win, I wish you luck. That is, I hope you'll do your best to help the town rather than forsake them in favor of knowledge. Though I'm not really sure how that might occur...I just know that sometimes people with unconvential goals (like a player who wants to stay alive as long as possible no matter what) can be dangerous. But nothing much has happened so far, so I have no cause to worry yet. Well, except for the alien infection and inevitable deaths of countless innocents.
I too want to hear from ced, not only regarding all the accusations but also why he believes no-lynch is bad.
Lol did you really just ask him like that? Either way, what is the response he'd give...I would like to think you'd think better of him than that? I mean let's just have all the mafia /claim scum now! Yeah that'll work!
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Agreed. At first I was fairly certain Milldawg was town, but of late I haven't been getting that impression. Maybe a neutral(have these in newb games?) or scum...avoiding basic questions is a little scary to me.
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Agreed. At first I was fairly certain Milldawg was town, but of late I haven't been getting that impression. Maybe a neutral(have these in newb games?) or scum...avoiding basic questions is a little scary to me.
Its not uncommon for newb games to have Seriel Killer or Survivors.
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I didn't answer it because the answer was obvious. Saying "I'm a townie" is not only the least convincing argument for anything ever, but knowing that fact, I would feel downright stupid saying it. If anyone suspects me for refusing to say "I'm a townie," then I fear for that person's mental stability. Any claims about one's own status, in my opinion, are utterly meaningless.
I was hoping not to make too many enemies right off the bat but I guess I haven't been doing a great job of that. It's hard to participate a lot without drawing attention to myself, I suppose. I just can't accept all this utter SILLINESS!
I didn't answer it because the answer was obvious. Saying "I'm a townie" is not only the least convincing argument for anything ever, but knowing that fact, I would feel downright stupid saying it. If anyone suspects me for refusing to say "I'm a townie," then I fear for that person's mental stability. Any claims about one's own status, in my opinion, are utterly meaningless.
I was hoping not to make too many enemies right off the bat but I guess I haven't been doing a great job of that. It's hard to participate a lot without drawing attention to myself, I suppose. I just can't accept all this utter SILLINESS!
As to the first part, "if you have nothing to hide, why hide it?" is kind of the mentality I was taking.
For the bold, that's pretty much impossible (that is, if you're doing a good job of participating). I wouldn't worry about drawing attention or "making enemies" - just try and find the mafia.
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In regards to Ced: Promising an in-depth post later is a scum tell, as they usually paraphrase what someone else said...in essence, the post itself was innocuous, but his lack of a response of yet is somewhat disconcerting...I'd wager he just has not seen the question yet, but I would like a response to BigCountry's question:
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In regards to Ced: Promising an in-depth post later is a scum tell, as they usually paraphrase what someone else said...in essence, the post itself was innocuous, but his lack of a response of yet is somewhat disconcerting...I'd wager he just has not seen the question yet, but I would like a response to BigCountry's question:
It is the weekend; I'm not detracting anything from ced because of "timeliness." It's hard to hold that against someone, unless they are usual weekend posters.
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Yeah yeah yeah, silly question. It was a premise to the next one.
I have thus correctly guessed that you are town, right Mill?
I mean, only you and SSB know that for sure, and obviously you're going to say you're townie, but for the purpose of this arguement, I'm assuming I'm right.
Yeah yeah yeah, silly question. It was a premise to the next one.
I have thus correctly guessed that you are town, right Mill?
I mean, only you and SSB know that for sure, and obviously you're going to say you're townie, but for the purpose of this arguement, I'm assuming I'm right.
I didn't answer it because the answer was obvious. Saying "I'm a townie" is not only the least convincing argument for anything ever, but knowing that fact, I would feel downright stupid saying it. If anyone suspects me for refusing to say "I'm a townie," then I fear for that person's mental stability. Any claims about one's own status, in my opinion, are utterly meaningless.
I was hoping not to make too many enemies right off the bat but I guess I haven't been doing a great job of that. It's hard to participate a lot without drawing attention to myself, I suppose. I just can't accept all this utter SILLINESS!
Drawing attention to yourself is only bad if you're scum though.
As to you not answering the question of whether or not you're a townie, that's pretty silly. Scum, town, or neutral survivor, the only strategic answer to give is Town. Town wouldn't lie, Scum would lie, and Neutral survivor would want to keep under the radar so early in the game and thus would also lie.
So it was a silly question to ask in the first place.
Media is not making me steal. But in a way is like the story of the very hot girl with the short skirt teasing the old sick guy with a history of rape.
Media is not making me steal. But in a way is like the story of the very hot girl with the short skirt teasing the old sick guy with a history of rape.
CropCircles> Then I don't even need to reply I just hope you're town too so we can work together.
Lost> I already said I am DROPPING THE NO-LYNCH THING. In fact, I don't think no-lynching is even allowed in this game. Maybe my strategy was flawed, but that shouldn't make me suspicious, just incorrect. What I've seen in the games I've played (which may have been completely amateurish compared to the ones on this board, for all I know), there are only a few custom roles (never any survivor or serial killer roles), and the hope is that the doctor will protect the detective and the detective will find stuff out. Since most of the people I play with are logical thinkers rather than psychological, the only way to acquire any real evidence is to get lucky, for the detective to find a mafia. If there's a doctor (which there usually is), the detective may be safe even if he reveals himself. Obviously there are many ways for this plan to backfire, but it was the best one we could come up with.
And you say I keep pushing "no matter how much it's explained to me." Well it has yet to be explained to me. You just keep saying "HOW CAN IT POSSIBLY WORK" without saying why it doesn't work. Since talking about this only gets me into trouble apparently, I should just leave it as a topic for another time and maybe discuss it in the Theory thread, or at least look through that thread for the answer.
As for roleplaying, how would it help the mafia? I basically just wanted people to use "infected" rather than "scum" and whatnot. And besides, I already dropped that point too. Why must you keep harping on points I've already dropped?
I am VERY cautious by nature, and if I were mafia, I would almost certainly not try to subtly tease out nonmafia roles and such. I would just sit back, grin smugly, and wait till nighttime so I could murder someone. Not that my own testimony could convince you, but the fact that I am saying so much and have already gotten myself into hot water means that I am either innocent or an awful player, and I don't think I'm that bad of a player
Frenger> Not necessarily. Mafia draw a lot of attention from the townies, but townies draw a lot of attention from the mafia. A townie with an important role who speaks up a lot may be killed or lynched too early. But I've already attracted a whole lot of attention so it's too late to worry about that now
CropCircles> Then I don't even need to reply I just hope you're town too so we can work together.
My point was to get you to admit that I was able to correctly guess you're alignment. If I was able to do that after a couple dozen posts, who is to say we won't be able to guess a scum on Day 1?
Actually, if you look over previous games, I think you'll find a good number of Day 1 scum lynches.
Well of course I am going to admit that you guessed correctly, and I hope you're right about your other guesses...unless you're mafia, of course Though if you were mafia, you'd already know who was town (or at least who wasn't on your mafia team).
Immediately after he recieves a random vote (with a fake reason), he goes on the defensive whilst stating that he agrees with the attacker. It struck me as a very odd reaction.
This is from the random stage right? Isn't it all for the most part odd? I think a vote here is harsh I'd lean more to an FOS. Also random is done and we're heavy into it now and CC is still throwing out meaningless posts? Hmmmm.
Umm, the CC post is mostly a joke (apart from the Milldawg is town part). Oh, and "Why even post this?" can be a dangerous thought to dwell upon. There are times to use it (such as against pseudolurking), but not where you did. As for my "wierd interaction", that's just a harmless joke in return.
Seems weirdly defensive, as you mention "joke" twice.
Those are decent points against LatD, one of which I also mentioned.
I'm not going to change a vote yet, but would also like to keep hearing in from those that have not posted much since the start of Day.
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@ LatD: I think Ced is making a strong case on the second post with the Milldawg vote, and over-reacting to a random vote doesn't look good. however, as a beginner, it is possible for a townie to get heated over a vote. i mean it in the fashion of who likes to get voted? secondly, i don't really have a problem with the first post - all he is saying is that he thinks the no lynch thing is a problem based on his previous reads, which i think ced agrees with. ced calling him out on this is a little disconcerting to me. i'm not sure about a vote at the moment, but between bigc's case and this new evidence i will assuredly:
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ced made some pretty sound points above. I personally don't condone actions in the random phase for lynches, since the case is virtually always that someone says something misinterpretable and the whole thing spirals toward a lynch. It'll probably happen anyway mind...
I believe big country said tunnel vision develops.
Archmage, your post is strangely defensive of LatD, FoS Archmage Eternal
Archmage, your post is strangely defensive of LatD, FoS Archmage Eternal
Agreed. Please explain this to us?
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ced made some pretty sound points above. I personally don't condone actions in the random phase for lynches, since the case is virtually always that someone says something misinterpretable and the whole thing spirals toward a lynch. It'll probably happen anyway mind...
I believe big country said tunnel vision develops.
Archmage, your post is strangely defensive of LatD, FoS Archmage Eternal
I had a feeling someone would jump on me for a defensive post but I went through with it anyway. I didn't defend anything he said just the fact that it came from the random stage and nothing else LatD has said, it's just harsh to vote so quickly in my opinion. If its based on that I would not submit a vote.
Ecophagy, you seem to agree with that but then say its strange for me to come out and say this? How so?
Also random is done and we're heavy into it now and CC is still throwing out meaningless posts? Hmmmm.
Seriously? Contentless posts are only scummy if they're used to look like you are contributing rather then actually contributing.
But I actually have been contributing. The fact that I throw out joke posts is not at all indicative of me being scum. More a symptom of me enjoying the game. And seriously, who would think that joke posts are a scum tell?
You're taking something that has been mentioned before as a scum tell, and trying to pin it on me. And the off hand mention followed by a "hmmm" is a classic attempt to push the town in a direction without commiting too much. Looks to me like scum testing the waters before commiting to an attack.
Please take a stance on something. You've been lodged firmly on the fences since we've started accusations.
I really hate to unvote ced395, so I won't, as I still think he is my personal scummiest. I will say, though, that the above to me looks like the work of the infected. (*takes a bow for Milldawg*)
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Please take a stance on something. You've been lodged firmly on the fences since we've started accusations.
I have taken a stance, and stepped forward to ask you to clarify a post in regards to how CC/Ced were scummy. Moreover, I pointed out that you missed Zindabads post. I don't feel it's necassary to put a second FoS on someone when it's already there, and I will acknowledge when a post has merit. At the moment, if you want me to take a stance, my scumlist is as follows:
Yes, you're on my list. I've read strong players manipulate the town by being active and "on the hunt". I'm concerned that you will lead us to slaughter.
I'm concerned about Ced and Crop's recent attacks on Archmage, and would like to not only see Archmage's response, but more of a basis than just OMG you defended him and he's scummy! you're scum!
I'm concerned that archmage + lost both attacked milldawg, when it seemed as if half the game had considered him a townie.
Good enough for you as far as taking a stance?
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Seriously? Contentless posts are only scummy if they're used to look like you are contributing rather then actually contributing.
But I actually have been contributing. The fact that I throw out joke posts is not at all indicative of me being scum. More a symptom of me enjoying the game. And seriously, who would think that joke posts are a scum tell?
You're taking something that has been mentioned before as a scum tell, and trying to pin it on me. And the off hand mention followed by a "hmmm" is a classic attempt to push the town in a direction without commiting too much. Looks to me like scum testing the waters before commiting to an attack.
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I look forward to your response.
My response is.... LOL. I never mentioned scum or scum tell. Simmer down and relax. Again another hasty VOTE over nothing.
EBWODP: It seems I transposed Ced + Ecophagy in regards to the Archmage situation. Add him to my list as well, below cropcircles.
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Wow, this game is intense. I can barely follow what's going on. Personally, no one seems especially evil to me, everyone just seems paranoid, except bigcountry who has the rock solid demeanor of a grizzled veteran, and CropCircles who seems not nearly paranoid enough...again, probably on account of his vast experience. I still want to hear from lostandthedamned, and I'm suspicious of Archmage for supporting him against me, but I'll wait to see what he has to say before doing anything rash.
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My response is.... LOL. I never mentioned scum or scum tell. Simmer down and relax. Again another hasty VOTE over nothing.
Yeah, that's sorta my point. You didn't come out and attack. You were passive aggresive. It's a non-commital push against a player for something that isn't a tell.
This is a tell for two reasons:
1st - A townies purpose is to hunt scum. A scum's purpose is to blend in with the town, so to do so, they must appear to be hunting scum. But they don't get the luxury of doing so genuinly, they have to find scum tells in players that aren't actually scum. This often leads to attacks based on poor logic.
Incinuating that I'm scum because of a couple joke posts is poor logic, as I outlined in my last post.
2nd - Anytime someone attacks someone else, they risk being questioned on their motives. A townie's motives are pure, so they worry less about having to explain. They can just tell the truth. A scum has to make something up, which is harder, so they tend to be a little less willing to commit. Besides, if a townie believes a player is scum, there's no harm in attacking because if that player is lynched and turns up scum, the townie is vindicated; there's nothing to explain.
But when a scum attacks a player, one of two things is happening. Either they're attacking someone they know is town, in which case they will have to worry about explaining their motives if they successfully force a lynch, or they are attacking a fellow scum to distance themselves, and they don't actually want to force a lynch. In either scenario, passive agressive fits the strategy better then an actual attack.
Now obviously I'm working under the assumption that AE isn't a scum attacking a fellow scum, but I can understand if the rest of you aren't so willing to trust me.
And his response? He doesn't justify his logic. He doesn't actually say anything other then "simmer down." He says that he never said "scum" or "scum tell," which I never said he did. Earlier, bigcountry accused me of "posting, without contributing," and I'm accusing AE of a passive agressive piggyback off of that original attack. The fact that he didn't come out and say "scum" doesn't mean he wasn't insinuating that I am infected. (There ya go MD ;)) Therefor, his defense is meaningless.
I have taken a stance, and stepped forward to ask you to clarify a post in regards to how CC/Ced were scummy. Moreover, I pointed out that you missed Zindabads post.
I don't see asking for clarification as "taking a stance"; you didn't give your own thoughts in these regards which is what concerned me.
I don't feel it's necassary to put a second FoS on someone when it's already there,
For the record, I consider FOSes to be of very little value. I could FOS anybody and everybody for various reasons, and it wouldn't mean a thing. Votes are the tools to hold other players accountable, serving the dual purpose of giving the Town a tool to hold the voter accountable himself. If you're posting and reading, enough, it's my opinion you have some thought on who you'd like dead, and so you should vote that way.
As a note, I'd call myself a hypocrite if I weren't backing up my "voting preferences" with votes of my own. But I vote, and see no contradictions.
and I will acknowledge when a post has merit.
All these "posts with merit" ought to spur you into some active, personal decisions. Again, I think the infected too often hide behind others' posts. Making people make decisions creates knowledge and information, and useful knowledge, at that.
At the moment, if you want me to take a stance, my scumlist is as follows:
Clap. Too bad it took a post from me to elicit this from you.
Yes, you're on my list. I've read strong players manipulate the town by being active and "on the hunt". I'm concerned that you will lead us to slaughter.
Strong personalities are easy targets Day 1. However, I don't think leading a bad lynch Day 1 is leading the Town "to slaughter." We've got more than one Day to lynch correctly. Currently, I feel we're heading in the right direction with the wagoning of ced395 or a low-flier. I'm not afraid to be held accountable of this; I've made my case, and haven't seen anything that would make me change my mind.
I'm concerned about Ced and Crop's recent attacks on Archmage, and would like to not only see Archmage's response, but more of a basis than just OMG you defended him and he's scummy! you're scum!
:goodposting: here. I have CC on my list still for a reason.
I'm concerned that archmage + lost both attacked milldawg, when it seemed as if half the game had considered him a townie.
Noted.
Good enough for you as far as taking a stance?
You've not convinced me otherwise, but at least you've got me thinking about it.
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
The point that I'm trying to make is that I wasn't trying to look like I was contributing. I know I wasn't really contributing. I want something to look back on so I can say "I told you so" or "wow I feel like a jackass," depending on the actual outcome.
The contributing part will come when I'm good and ready, I promise.
I am equally interested in ced, but I will wait for him to respond to bigc before deciding whether or not to vote.
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this post was Quoting Crop Circles. Your response to my question was the following:
Why would zindabad's post, offering even less content than CC's, be completely immune scrutiny?
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I too want to hear from ced, not only regarding all the accusations but also why he believes no-lynch is bad.
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Unbeatable logic!
Still waiting to see Ceds thoughts.
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Lol did you really just ask him like that? Either way, what is the response he'd give...I would like to think you'd think better of him than that? I mean let's just have all the mafia /claim scum now! Yeah that'll work!
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Agreed. At first I was fairly certain Milldawg was town, but of late I haven't been getting that impression. Maybe a neutral(have these in newb games?) or scum...avoiding basic questions is a little scary to me.
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Its not uncommon for newb games to have Seriel Killer or Survivors.
whooops just saw votecount - definitely UNVOTE
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I was hoping not to make too many enemies right off the bat but I guess I haven't been doing a great job of that. It's hard to participate a lot without drawing attention to myself, I suppose. I just can't accept all this utter SILLINESS!
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For the bold, that's pretty much impossible (that is, if you're doing a good job of participating). I wouldn't worry about drawing attention or "making enemies" - just try and find the mafia.
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I have thus correctly guessed that you are town, right Mill?
I mean, only you and SSB know that for sure, and obviously you're going to say you're townie, but for the purpose of this arguement, I'm assuming I'm right.
[The Family]
So CC, your mafia right?
[The Family]
Drawing attention to yourself is only bad if you're scum though.
As to you not answering the question of whether or not you're a townie, that's pretty silly. Scum, town, or neutral survivor, the only strategic answer to give is Town. Town wouldn't lie, Scum would lie, and Neutral survivor would want to keep under the radar so early in the game and thus would also lie.
So it was a silly question to ask in the first place.
Lost> I already said I am DROPPING THE NO-LYNCH THING. In fact, I don't think no-lynching is even allowed in this game. Maybe my strategy was flawed, but that shouldn't make me suspicious, just incorrect. What I've seen in the games I've played (which may have been completely amateurish compared to the ones on this board, for all I know), there are only a few custom roles (never any survivor or serial killer roles), and the hope is that the doctor will protect the detective and the detective will find stuff out. Since most of the people I play with are logical thinkers rather than psychological, the only way to acquire any real evidence is to get lucky, for the detective to find a mafia. If there's a doctor (which there usually is), the detective may be safe even if he reveals himself. Obviously there are many ways for this plan to backfire, but it was the best one we could come up with.
And you say I keep pushing "no matter how much it's explained to me." Well it has yet to be explained to me. You just keep saying "HOW CAN IT POSSIBLY WORK" without saying why it doesn't work. Since talking about this only gets me into trouble apparently, I should just leave it as a topic for another time and maybe discuss it in the Theory thread, or at least look through that thread for the answer.
As for roleplaying, how would it help the mafia? I basically just wanted people to use "infected" rather than "scum" and whatnot. And besides, I already dropped that point too. Why must you keep harping on points I've already dropped?
I am VERY cautious by nature, and if I were mafia, I would almost certainly not try to subtly tease out nonmafia roles and such. I would just sit back, grin smugly, and wait till nighttime so I could murder someone. Not that my own testimony could convince you, but the fact that I am saying so much and have already gotten myself into hot water means that I am either innocent or an awful player, and I don't think I'm that bad of a player
Frenger> Not necessarily. Mafia draw a lot of attention from the townies, but townies draw a lot of attention from the mafia. A townie with an important role who speaks up a lot may be killed or lynched too early. But I've already attracted a whole lot of attention so it's too late to worry about that now
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Actually, if you look over previous games, I think you'll find a good number of Day 1 scum lynches.
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Rakdos, Lord of Riots - BR Group Murder-Hug
Reaper King - WUBRG Token Copies
Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker - B Sacrifice Engine
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden - BR Randomized Toolbox
Karametra, God of Harvests - GW Ramp
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Hanna, Ship's Navigator - WU Enchantments Control
Wort, the Raidmother - RG Copy ALL the Spells!
Rakdos, Lord of Riots - BR Group Murder-Hug
Reaper King - WUBRG Token Copies
Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker - B Sacrifice Engine
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden - BR Randomized Toolbox
Karametra, God of Harvests - GW Ramp
This is from the random stage right? Isn't it all for the most part odd? I think a vote here is harsh I'd lean more to an FOS. Also random is done and we're heavy into it now and CC is still throwing out meaningless posts? Hmmmm.
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Those are decent points against LatD, one of which I also mentioned.
I'm not going to change a vote yet, but would also like to keep hearing in from those that have not posted much since the start of Day.
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ced made some pretty sound points above. I personally don't condone actions in the random phase for lynches, since the case is virtually always that someone says something misinterpretable and the whole thing spirals toward a lynch. It'll probably happen anyway mind...
I believe big country said tunnel vision develops.
Archmage, your post is strangely defensive of LatD, FoS Archmage Eternal
Agreed. Please explain this to us?
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I had a feeling someone would jump on me for a defensive post but I went through with it anyway. I didn't defend anything he said just the fact that it came from the random stage and nothing else LatD has said, it's just harsh to vote so quickly in my opinion. If its based on that I would not submit a vote.
Ecophagy, you seem to agree with that but then say its strange for me to come out and say this? How so?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
But I actually have been contributing. The fact that I throw out joke posts is not at all indicative of me being scum. More a symptom of me enjoying the game. And seriously, who would think that joke posts are a scum tell?
You're taking something that has been mentioned before as a scum tell, and trying to pin it on me. And the off hand mention followed by a "hmmm" is a classic attempt to push the town in a direction without commiting too much. Looks to me like scum testing the waters before commiting to an attack.
Unvote, Vote Archmage Eternal
I look forward to your response.
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Please take a stance on something. You've been lodged firmly on the fences since we've started accusations.
I really hate to unvote ced395, so I won't, as I still think he is my personal scummiest. I will say, though, that the above to me looks like the work of the infected. (*takes a bow for Milldawg*)
List of voting preference:
ced395
Samoht
zindabad
CropCircles
EvilZak
Frenger
The last two for low-flying. Vote stands.
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I have taken a stance, and stepped forward to ask you to clarify a post in regards to how CC/Ced were scummy. Moreover, I pointed out that you missed Zindabads post. I don't feel it's necassary to put a second FoS on someone when it's already there, and I will acknowledge when a post has merit. At the moment, if you want me to take a stance, my scumlist is as follows:
ced395
cropcircles
archmage eternal
lostandthedamned
bigcountry
Yes, you're on my list. I've read strong players manipulate the town by being active and "on the hunt". I'm concerned that you will lead us to slaughter.
I'm concerned about Ced and Crop's recent attacks on Archmage, and would like to not only see Archmage's response, but more of a basis than just OMG you defended him and he's scummy! you're scum!
I'm concerned that archmage + lost both attacked milldawg, when it seemed as if half the game had considered him a townie.
Good enough for you as far as taking a stance?
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My response is.... LOL. I never mentioned scum or scum tell. Simmer down and relax. Again another hasty VOTE over nothing.
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Speaking of hearing from people I'd like to hear from the last two, EvilZak hasn't posted since the day went live. I've seen zindabad on recently, I just want all to weigh in on some of the events taking place.
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This is a tell for two reasons:
1st - A townies purpose is to hunt scum. A scum's purpose is to blend in with the town, so to do so, they must appear to be hunting scum. But they don't get the luxury of doing so genuinly, they have to find scum tells in players that aren't actually scum. This often leads to attacks based on poor logic.
Incinuating that I'm scum because of a couple joke posts is poor logic, as I outlined in my last post.
2nd - Anytime someone attacks someone else, they risk being questioned on their motives. A townie's motives are pure, so they worry less about having to explain. They can just tell the truth. A scum has to make something up, which is harder, so they tend to be a little less willing to commit. Besides, if a townie believes a player is scum, there's no harm in attacking because if that player is lynched and turns up scum, the townie is vindicated; there's nothing to explain.
But when a scum attacks a player, one of two things is happening. Either they're attacking someone they know is town, in which case they will have to worry about explaining their motives if they successfully force a lynch, or they are attacking a fellow scum to distance themselves, and they don't actually want to force a lynch. In either scenario, passive agressive fits the strategy better then an actual attack.
Now obviously I'm working under the assumption that AE isn't a scum attacking a fellow scum, but I can understand if the rest of you aren't so willing to trust me.
And his response? He doesn't justify his logic. He doesn't actually say anything other then "simmer down." He says that he never said "scum" or "scum tell," which I never said he did. Earlier, bigcountry accused me of "posting, without contributing," and I'm accusing AE of a passive agressive piggyback off of that original attack. The fact that he didn't come out and say "scum" doesn't mean he wasn't insinuating that I am infected. (There ya go MD ;)) Therefor, his defense is meaningless.
Summary: poor logic + passive aggresive + non-answer = vote stands.
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As a note, I'd call myself a hypocrite if I weren't backing up my "voting preferences" with votes of my own. But I vote, and see no contradictions. All these "posts with merit" ought to spur you into some active, personal decisions. Again, I think the infected too often hide behind others' posts. Making people make decisions creates knowledge and information, and useful knowledge, at that. Clap. Too bad it took a post from me to elicit this from you.
Strong personalities are easy targets Day 1. However, I don't think leading a bad lynch Day 1 is leading the Town "to slaughter." We've got more than one Day to lynch correctly. Currently, I feel we're heading in the right direction with the wagoning of ced395 or a low-flier. I'm not afraid to be held accountable of this; I've made my case, and haven't seen anything that would make me change my mind.
:goodposting: here. I have CC on my list still for a reason.
Noted. You've not convinced me otherwise, but at least you've got me thinking about it.
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The "joke post" defense is as bad as the "newbie" defense.
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