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Wait, Doc could self protect? Where'd you get that? Did SSB say that?

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sad to watch both of my teammates go down night 1. only target is bc.

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Ah, before I forget, you are aware that the doctor can protect him/herself, correct?

yessa

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Wait, Doc could self protect? Where'd you get that? Did SSB say that?

I was taught that the doc can self protect...

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I was taught that the doc can self protect...

And you're running a newb game?

Sigh. 99% of the time, the doc cant' self-protect. It's really really rare.

Even I knew that, and it's my first game on these forums

I don't think BC knew he could self-protect, heh, so it would've worked out and you might've stayed alive one more night.

Some miscommunication there, not terrible for your first time as scum though.

i understand samoht's logic and why he thought what he thought - but at the same time, he should have killed a "confirmed" person and then claimed vanilla town

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And you're running a newb game?

Sigh. 99% of the time, the doc cant' self-protect. It's really really rare.

Hey, first time hosting and I was taught incorrectly.

I do want to apologize to Samoht, though. This is feeling like a great trainwreck for a game

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Hey, first time hosting and I was taught incorrectly.

I do want to apologize to Samoht, though. This is feeling like a great trainwreck for a game

To explain, a large part of playing the doc role is to avoid being outted early, to protect power roles or players more likely to be town if there are no power roles claimed.

Whereas the cop isn't that badly handicapped by claiming with an active doc.

A doc being allowed to self-protect creates a secondary game of WIFOM for the scum to navigate through (will he or will he not self protect) which is really unfair to the scum and just makes things screwy.

Besides which, an unnightkillable auto-confirmed townie is incredibly tough for the mafia to overcome. I've had to deal with that as scum, and it's frustrating.

So, other then the self-protecting doc, the game was balanced.

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Besides which, an unnightkillable auto-confirmed townie is incredibly tough for the mafia to overcome. I've had to deal with that as scum, and it's frustrating.

So, other then the self-protecting doc, the game was balanced.

I was under the impression that a doctor can protect his/herself, but, just like any other protect, they couldn't protect the same target twice in a row...

Am I just totally wrong here?

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I was under the impression that a doctor can protect his/herself, but, just like any other protect, they couldn't protect the same target twice in a row...

Am I just totally wrong here?

Why can't a doctor protect the same target twice in a row?

....what game did you learn that from?

Ninja Edit: Yes you're totally wrong.

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And FYI Samoht, you did have me completely fooled until the counter claim. You were pretty low on the list of people I thought could be the last scum.

I'd just like to take this chance to point out to Ced that I was right and he was wrong =p

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I was under the impression that a doctor can protect his/herself, but, just like any other protect, they couldn't protect the same target twice in a row...

Am I just totally wrong here?

While this isn't a traditional doctor, I don't think it would be a particularly unbalanced variant. A little weird flavorfully, but interesting alternative.

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Next year I won't be signing up for anything in the month of December.

I never sign up for anything during December.

yaaaaay! a win! and I was right about Samoht before he claimed

with regards to my role of Cortana, what would have happened if I had died SSB? how would you have narrated?. I meant to ask, but never got round to it.

@zindabad: I didn't think I was scummy. oops I certainly wouldn't have counter claimed if I was.

poor samoht, he didn't really stand a chance
it was a good game, it just took the worst possible outcome for scum.

I would have narrated it something about the ship's mainframe being hacked over the night. You find a smoking piece of memory crystal etc.

I mean, since you were narrating using Cortana's voice, what would you have done in the event of her/my death?

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Well, it's a bit hard to be wrong about your own alignment, isn't it?

What about some sort of Ultra-godfather who Doesn't even know Himself that he is scum!

Or would that be filed under "Bastard-moddery" >_> <_<

For the record, the way loran is describing the doctor is the way it is usually set up for mafiascum and mtgs.

The angel role, which was the original role that the doctor was adapted from, did traditionally follow the model ssb is presenting. Not that anyone is interested, there's been a site playing werewolf basically as long as mafiascum has been playing mafia: footballguys forums. I've played at both scum and FBGs, both sites have fair and fun games with the different rules. Usually, though, the baddies have more powers (and usually +1 person) to make up for the power of village (town) roles. This was well done, ssb, but you probably could have used a godfather or BG scholar role.

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For the record, the way loran is describing the doctor is the way it is usually set up for mafiascum and mtgs.

The angel role, which was the original role that the doctor was adapted from, did traditionally follow the model ssb is presenting. Not that anyone is interested, there's been a site playing werewolf basically as long as mafiascum has been playing mafia: footballguys forums. I've played at both scum and FBGs, both sites have fair and fun games with the different rules. Usually, though, the baddies have more powers (and usually +1 person) to make up for the power of village (town) roles. This was well done, ssb, but you probably could have used a godfather or BG scholar role.

Godfathers and other such roles are generally discouraged in newb games here, as we don't think lying to newbs is appropriate for a mod to do.

See mafia council thread for more details.

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Technically, this was the last newb game to not have to conform to the new standards, haing been started before newb 23 finished. So, godfather was a possible role here.

The setup was probably balanced anyway. The dayvig can't be roleblocked, unlike the normal vig, but the neutral counts as a mafia at lylo.

On a side note, I still haven't reached day 3 of a game yet...

Don't talk...there was one stretch where I died in 5 consecutive games on day 1/night 1.

Too much scum- NKed Night 1,
Hollywood- Lynched Day 1, Investigated N0,
L5R-Daykilled day 1,

and two others i can't recall. Seriously, awful.

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Don't talk...there was one stretch where I died in 5 consecutive games on day 1/night 1.

Too much scum- NKed Night 1,
Hollywood- Lynched Day 1, Investigated N0,
L5R-Daykilled day 1,

and two others i can't recall. Seriously, awful.

Ya know, it's been over two years and yet I've never answered you're question, loran.

So here goes: No. No, I don't plan on giving anymore content.

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Well, it's a bit hard to be wrong about your own alignment, isn't it?

I was refering to samoht being extremely scummy at the start of the game, I nearly had him lynched until you went and had to put suspicion on me

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I was refering to samoht being extremely scummy at the start of the game, I nearly had him lynched until you went and had to put suspicion on me

funny thing was, it was just tired bemusement. i wasn't even trying to get you lynched about the whole thing, i was just tired and it struck a nerve or something.

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funny thing was, it was just tired bemusement. i wasn't even trying to get you lynched about the whole thing, i was just tired and it struck a nerve or something.

Bah, I was pretty much sure you were scum half way through our argument, you definitly struck a nerve, my scumdar nerve =p, I didn't even see how I was scummy in the whole thing :/ I guess I wasnt trusted as town after newb 23, I honestly didn't know what ced was on about, and we probly would have one easier (more easily then it was) if he didn't say anything, I mean, it was quite obvious the AE was scum, I knew it from the start of the game, all I had to do was get you lynched to seal the game.

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Bah, I was pretty much sure you were scum half way through our argument, you definitly struck a nerve, my scumdar nerve =p, I didn't even see how I was scummy in the whole thing :/ I guess I wasnt trusted as town after newb 23, I honestly didn't know what ced was on about, and we probly would have one easier (more easily then it was) if he didn't say anything, I mean, it was quite obvious the AE was scum, I knew it from the start of the game, all I had to do was get you lynched to seal the game.

it's funny how you're the only one that "knew"

and others concurred that the post was off, i just went a little further. i probably would have done the same thing as town.

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it's funny how you're the only one that "knew"

and others concurred that the post was off, i just went a little further. i probably would have done the same thing as town.

Ok I had a hunch and it was right, whatever

And what post are you talking about.

Dak Kill CC....obviously

I dont even know why that would be a scum tell :/

lol, I just read this game in 40 minutes.

To echo everyone else;

SSB, aside from your misconception regarding doctors, this game was perfectly balanced. Don't beat yourself up. Now, LFR's noobgame on the other hand...

And I have to say, as town, there is nothing I appreciate more than a mafioso that claims neutral in order to try to stay alive.

Y'know, instead of claiming vanilla town in a game with FIVE GUARANTEED VANILLA TOWNIES.

But yeah, superb town performance.