The game isn't over yet - at least, until you guys submit your nightkill
Sheesh, you never quit do you....and i meant your lynch. Obviously there's at least one more scum to catch.
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Who shall it be, who shall it be? Round and round goes the discussion, but in the end, not much enthusiasm can be mustered for anyone other than poor spotofprey.
"Well," says spotofprey, "I certainly don't want this story going in the next edition."
With that, he abruptly disappears, and the sharper eyed amongst you can detect a small buzzing object moving at high velocity towards the open window of the chamber.
Fortunately (or unfortunately as the case may be) the swifter footed amongst you are able to close the window before the tiny beetle can make it's escape. And then someone pulls out the flyswatter.
spotofprey, Rita Skeeter, Townie Animagus, has been lynched.
It is now NIGHT 7. Please submit any night choices you may have. Night 7 will end no later than Monday, November 3, four days from now.
Edit: also, you totally smash that Firebolt (Horcrux).
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Day Breaks and another body is discovered. This time it is the corpse of poor, gentle Some One, Hermione Granger, Townie Time Turner Specialist, who appears to have been strangled outside her quarters.
Along with her body are found a few scattered gold coins. And two other items are found to have been destroyed as well.
The mood is grim. Your numbers are few. The time is short.
It is now Day 8. Preliinary Deadline for Day 8 is set for Friday,November 21.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
My utmost respect to whoever set me up like that. Props to bloody you.
Now can you pretty pretty pretty please die?
Vote: Chimpanzee
I received two items last night: Marauder's Map and Sack of Galleons. Astounded by the sudden influx of items, I went outside for a bit of contemplation on my good fortunes and how I could use the items to help the town. When I return back to my quarters, I discovered to my horror my room has been ransacked and that both of those items have been destroyed.
Here's the crux of the matter: The only reason I would receive those two items and have them be destroyed within the same night would be that I was set up. And that Chimp is one of those setting me up.
Besides Chimp, I am certain whomever passed me the Map and Galleons are scums as well. For the latter, that means either Rafk or Loran, unless there is another Sack in existence we don't know of.
I now have the sword of gryffindor...
And it appears we are now officially at LyLo, since >= 3scum seems very likely :/
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Say Dagger, Wanna explain why you had the sorting hat?
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Yup, I sworded Dagger and there's the marauder's map.
Would be a vote: Dagger
While, it is theoretically possible that the mafia could try to set up a townie by passing him the incriminating items, I don't believe I ever hinted I'd sword Dagger and if Dagger actually were a townie in these circumstances, he'd be voting for the people required to be scum in his scenario, RafK or Loran.
Also, be careful not to put Dagger into self-lynch range to avoid the day getting cut off.
Yup, I sworded Dagger and there's the marauder's map.
Would be a vote: Dagger
While, it is theoretically possible that the mafia could try to set up a townie by passing him the incriminating items, I don't believe I ever hinted I'd sword Dagger and if Dagger actually were a townie in these circumstances, he'd be voting for the people required to be scum in his scenario, RafK or Loran.
Also, be careful not to put Dagger into self-lynch range to avoid the day getting cut off.
Of course you never needed to hint at it. You were working together with them under the cover of darkness.
Also, like hell I would vote either of them when I didn't even know which of them passed me the Galleons.
The only certainty here would be you using the Sword on me.
The Dagger/Map thing is seriously fishy :/
But PLEASE let's not rush anything here. There is still a lot of time left, and this is as delicate as a situation could get.
I.E., no more votes on Dagger at the moment....for obvious reasons.
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We need to hear from RafK as well before making any decisions. I'm interested in the results on his night actions.
One question is this: With the sack of galleons, are you given an option of taking any item from their inventory, or are you randomly assigned one, or do they choose what to give you?
I have some analysis on this situation, but I'm going to hold off until we hear from Raf first.
We need to hear from RafK as well before making any decisions. I'm interested in the results on his night actions.
One question is this: With the sack of galleons, are you given an option of taking any item from their inventory, or are you randomly assigned one, or do they choose what to give you?
I have some analysis on this situation, but I'm going to hold off until we hear from Raf first.
The galleons wording gives the player targetted the choice of what item to give. I galleons Dagger, and he got to choose an item to give me...which appears to have been the sorting hat.
And since there's not a single good reason why Dagger should have you know this cop item that disappeared (by galleonsing iirc) earlier on, I don't see why there's any discussion about lynching him.
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The galleons wording gives the player targetted the choice of what item to give. I galleons Dagger, and he got to choose an item to give me...which appears to have been the sorting hat.
And since there's not a single good reason why Dagger should have you know this cop item that disappeared (by galleonsing iirc) earlier on, I don't see why there's any discussion about lynching him.
I don't think there's any real doubt that he's scum. It's either him or you, since you got the sorting cap from him. Either you're lying about that and scum, or he's scum, as no townie would have that item.
However, we still need to hear from RafK before lynching him. Even if Dagger's scum, which seems highly likely, we should get a clear picture of everything that happened last night. I have a few theories, but I don't want to say anything until we have all the info.
We need to hear from RafK as well before making any decisions. I'm interested in the results on his night actions.
One question is this: With the sack of galleons, are you given an option of taking any item from their inventory, or are you randomly assigned one, or do they choose what to give you?
I asked Axelrod ages ago, so I can answer that straight up from my own knowledge. They choose.
Of course, if they only have 1 item, there's no choice. If the scum only passed the map to Dagger last night (it is believable to me that the scum might have passed items to Dagger last night for safekeeping if they thought Dagger was least likely to be checked by sword or galleon) then Dagger could have only had the hat to give away at time of being galleoned.
FWIW, my night action was to use the galleons on Some One. I got a polyjuice potion. I wasn't told it was destroyed, so I presume that the destroyed one either belonged to Dagger or else Some One had a second one. Can we have it confirmed where the polyjuice potions should have been?
I think this is straightforward, as I could not in any event see a believable scum team in the remaining players that did not include Dagger. The next one is tough, presuming the polyjuice doesn't expose a liar and do us a favour
Rafk, why would you target Some One when it was clear he had a polyjuice potion from Kraj? If he were hypothetically scum, you would have gained nothing useful from him, because even if he did have other items, he would have simply given you the potion regardless.
Here's a problem. StormBlind claimed to get vanillified. When Dagger claimed to get vanillified, his night action (investigating me) didn't produce a result. If RafK is to be believed, then he took a polyjuice potion from Some One. If StormBlind is to be believed, he gave Some One a polyjuice potion. BUT, if StormBlind got vanillified in the same manner as Dagger, then his action of giving the potion wouldn't have happened. So how did Some One end up with a polyjuice potion when he died? He wouldn't have received one from SB, and his single potion would have been stolen by RafK?
Either:
1. RafK is lying about using the sack on Some One: The first post of the new day by Axel shows that Some One died with a potion and gold coins (sack of galleons). So RafK is telling the truth.
2. Dagger was lying about what happened when he got "hit by the curse." Dagger's ability didn't happen that night when he got hit, but yet StormBlind's did? Some One dying with the polyjuice potion proves that StormBlind's action last night did happen, which means that Dagger is lying.
So, Some One died with Polyjuice and a Sack, which means Dagger died with the other Sack and the marauder's map.
If Dagger had both the Marauder's map and the Sorting Cap at the start of the night, it makes sense that he would have given the marauder's map to Loran, as to keep the Sorting Cap out of the town's hands. My hypothesis of what happened is that Dagger got hit with Loran's sack of galleons and had to give up the Sorting Cap, and then his scum buddy passed him the incriminating marauder's map, since he was going down anyway.
So overall it's fairly clear that Dagger is scum, since he lied about getting hit with the curse, and had the sorting cap.
As for a scum buddy, I'm guessing it's RafK or possibly StormBlind. I'm a little skeptical about the whole "getting vanillified" thing, since it seems like a very convenient way to lose abilities that could help the town. RafK's choice of Some One last night was pretty poor, considering he had literally no chance of getting anything useful. StormBlind seems very likely town based on the interaction with DYH, but this curse thing seems fishy to me, especially since there is a discrepancy between how the curse "worked" on Dagger and StormBlind.
Rafk, why would you target Some One when it was clear he had a polyjuice potion from Kraj?
tbh I hadn't realised he did. It had registered he had been given one at some stage but not that he actually hadn't used it.
Here's a problem. StormBlind claimed to get vanillified. When Dagger claimed to get vanillified, his night action (investigating me) didn't produce a result. If RafK is to be believed, then he took a polyjuice potion from Some One. If StormBlind is to be believed, he gave Some One a polyjuice potion. BUT, if StormBlind got vanillified in the same manner as Dagger, then his action of giving the potion wouldn't have happened.
The flaw in this reasoning is that there's a difference between using an ability (Dagger's claim) and passing an item (Stormblind's claim).
That said, the fact that no-one was vanillified until Dagger claimed it days into the game is quite suspicious and it may be a one-shot that Dagger faked on himself and then used for real on SB, or something of that nature (there's an outside chance both are scum, but I still find it hard to see Kraj/SB as scum).
If Dagger had both the Marauder's map and the Sorting Cap at the start of the night, it makes sense that he would have given the marauder's map to Loran, as to keep the Sorting Cap out of the town's hands. My hypothesis of what happened is that Dagger got hit with Loran's sack of galleons and had to give up the Sorting Cap, and then his scum buddy passed him the incriminating marauder's map, since he was going down anyway.
This part does make a lot of sense. I figured they had just made the choice to "hide" the map with Dagger by coincidence, but you're right, they should know the hat was taken in time to make decisions based on that.
I have made a correction to the Day Scene. There was NO POLYJUICE POTION found with the body.
I apologize for the error. This is getting to be a habit.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
At this rate, I don't see me keeping a deadline of Nov. 21st, because that's too long for no one to be posting anything.
New Deadline is November 19, ten days from now, and that can still move up.
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Dagger - 1 (loran16)
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
We're pretty much waiting on Dagger to defend himself (at least, that's what I'm waiting on). The deadline shouldn't be a problem, since we have a clear Dagger is lying vs loran is lying fight here.
Also for reference, the Cruciatus Curse not only vanillafied me, but also roleblocked me. Which is why a polyjuice disappeared, i was passing one to Someone.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
Me, personally, I'd like to see if you can give a reason for us not to lynch you at this point.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
The deck is heavily stacked against me at this point.
You have three "confirmed" players collaborating in a grand conspiracy against me. You'll note behavior-wise, they (which means you as well) have been the most unhelpful of "townies" so far in this game, speaking up only when it's convenient to them.
And I am essentially vanilla.
Tell you what. I'll congratulate you after the game is over. Fair?
It's very nice to say that behvior-wise "they've" been unhelpful, but I think if you truly cared you could do a lot better than that. For you to be town, loran is lying, which makes exactly one guy who have to provide some evidence against with the sure knowledge he's scum. Even better, if loran is scum then so is his claimed partner, so you would have two people you could attack with absolute certainty that there's something to find. You haven't done that. You haven't even tried to convince me loran is lying. Defeated scum can't be bothered I guess.
I have a hard time believing Loran is scum here, and it's gotta be one of you two. If the mason team is scum, they deserve a "Balls to the Wall" award for most risky gambit. I simply don't see that as very likely, especially with the manner in which they interacted with DYH.
I still say something is fishy with this cruciatus curse nonsense, but I don't see how it affects our current lynch, which should be either loran or dagger.
With 7 alive it takes 4 votes to Lynch. Deadline is still set for November 19.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I always love the outrageously weak defeatist attitudes by scum caught late.
Vote: Dagger
Should be the hammer.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
"You!" says the town, speaking almost as one. "You almost surely must be one of the evil ones we seek, regardless of who else might be."
"Um, no I'm not?" says Dagger, nose twitching, who then apruptly disappears, his clothes gently billowing down upon the ground in a heap.
"Look!" says Loran16, and as everyone's eyes turn, you can see a small, black-furred shape dart from the pile of clothing, making a mad dash for the doorway.
"Get him," goes out the cry, and there is a mad stamping of feet as the shape darts this way and that, avoiding the various boots and other objects hurled in it's direction.
But, sadly for the little Rat, he cannot avoid the yellow lamp-like eyes and skeletal form of Mrs. Norris, the poor deceased caretaker's beloved cat, who appears to have been waiting in the wings for just such an opportune moment to exact revenge for the loss of her Master. Ooo, that's messy.
Dagger, Peter Pettigrew, Mafia Animagus, has been lynched.
It is now, Night 8. Night 8 should end no later than Monday, November 17, and could end earlier if all choices are received earlier.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I'm guessing you targeted me with the sorting hat, the one I got last night. I'm actually curious what results you got with that, to be honest. Did it come up neutral, or strictly not-town?
Anyway, I'm actually a neutral survivor, which may not come as much surprise. It's why I argued for 2 remaining scum when the general consensus was that 3 were remaining (Nobody considered the possibility of a neutral. I didn't want to bring it up). It's why my character is Delores Umbridge, who is certainly not a good guy by any stretch, but also not part of Voldemort's team (as all the dead scum thus far have been). It's why I went out of my way to claim I had no items when armlx pushed his case on me. It was a free chance to make myself a really bad NK target, which was my biggest fear.
My role is identical to what I actually claimed. Higher lynch threshhold. 1-shot Lynch immunity. Can choose 3 people to make a lynch. If you would like, I can use my 2nd ability today, to prove that I am not mafia, as that combination of 3 roles couldn't possibly be on scum.
Your last scum is either RafK or StormBlind, though it's almost certainly RafK. His claim of Caractus Burke could easily be a false claim. YuanTi getting caught with an extra sack of galleons, but not using it to find the sorting cap was scummy. RafK using his sorting cap two nights ago on Some One, with 0 chance for relevant information is scummy.
Loran and AI are clearly town. StormBlind is very likely town, with his interaction with DYH and the use of his role. That leaves RafK.
I'll hold off, though, until we hear from everyone.
Hmmmm, I have to think about this. Going into last night, I thought you and Rafk were the final scum, but this throws me for a loop.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
Hmmmm, I have to think about this. Going into last night, I thought you and Rafk were the final scum, but this throws me for a loop.
Well, if the hat showed me as neutral, then your problem is solved. You can lynch RafK today, and if that isn't game, then you can lynch me tomorrow, though I can assure you that you don't need me dead to win.
Rather than there being 2 scum left as everyone assumed, it's 1 scum 1 neutral. Just lynch the scum and it's game over.
....why are me and Goat the only one's here right now? Rafk, Rahl, where are you!
Though Goat is right. If he's anti-town, then god knows what he is right now (maybe Rahl's mystery neutral from Mushroom kingdom :-P)
Rafk has to be scum.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
By process of elimination it must be Stormblind, although that's my process of elimination (knowing I'm not scum, obviously you have no such proof) since goat is apparently neutral and loran/AI must be town or the game is lost anyway. I note that Dagger coming up scum definitely throws a doubt into the cruciatus curse thing (I am known to have used other items on the nights the '"curse" was used) which Stormblind was the only other person to claim to be hit with.
DYH was the person who claimed to confirm Stormblind as Horace Slughorn previously. I used my polyjuice last night to check out Stormblind (no-one else could have reasonably been faking their name) and can confirm that he IS Horace Slughorn. However, think about it for a second- DYH confirming that character's identity early basically gave him a free hand. But would DYH have really used an action for the night to do it? It would be much easier if he already knew the answer and didn't have to be given and use an item to confirm that.
It was also interesting with a little hindsight that Stormblind claimed to have given 2 polyjuices in a row to Some One and not to someone more trusted like a Weasley or loran.
The downside to this is that this would mean the scum had the polyjuice master and the means to make polyjuice to give him, but the town started with some of the items which townies were master of, and if there's only 4 actual scum they would have needed some power. Plus it takes him 2 days to create and pass the stuff.
Hmm...well..
This conversation needs more SB thoughts and GR reaction to Raf's point.
Because right now I'm honestly still leaning toward RafK, but the DYH/SB contingency is an admittedly valid point.
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One thing we know is that StormBlind and RafK are not both scum. If they were, with an openly declared neutral survivor, they could simply have announced it, both placed their votes on a mason and I could have ended the game with a win for both of us by providing the lynch. Likewise, we know that Loran/AI are not scum, because they could have done the exact same thing.
So it's confirmed that there is only 1 scum remaining, who is either RafK or StormBlind, but not both.
We can work this out logically:
If we lynch scum today, and the game doesn't end, then you know you have to lynch me next, as StormBlind and RafK are not both scum.
If we do not lynch scum today, then we should lynch the remaining player of StormBlind/RafK, because one of those two have to be scum, as we can deduce there is still one member of the mafia alive based on the night kill last night (and a 3 member mafia team seems WAY too small).
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So there is one member of the mafia remaining, who is either RafK or StormBlind. Lynch one today, if they are town, lynch the other tomorrow.
I don't see how the town can possibly lose this game, even if the wrong one gets lynched today, as long as the other dies tomorrow.
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RafK brings up some decent points about SB. RafK using items on the night of the curse is a pretty strong point. Something still seems wrong about the whole cruciatus curse nonsense anyway. I'm guessing Dagger lied about getting hit with it, which means that if StormBlind is town, he was the only town player to get hit with the curse. It then stands to reason that the scum would only be able to use it once (or else why not use it more often?). So the question is: Why did the scum wait until day 8 to use a powerful ability like that? If they were going to use it on Kraj, they could have used it far earlier in the game.
A counter argument is that Rafk is not actually Burke, and stole the polyjuice potion from Some One to avoid getting caught, and vanillified StormBlind (rather, Dagger did it) to prevent more from being made.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Let's make something clear *I* only gave the potions to Someone, That is the ONLY potion i made, and the ONLY potion i gave out.
I gave it to Someone Purely for the fact that kraj gave one to someone the night before that as well, and Kraj was the primary player in this game, and i was still new, i trusted his judgment at that point, and made my decision from there.
Also, something i would like to put out in my defense, the FIRST person i expressed suspicion about was Dagger, in like, my first post. At the point he was under no real suspicion.
Beyond that, i cant really say anything about the cruciatus curse. All i know, was that, that night, i made the potion, i got Cursed. the flavour i recieved was that i was in such pain that i could do nothing; could barely even think. And that at the end of it, i am broken, and can do nothing anymore.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
Okay guys, I realize we're all tired, but there's only 5 players left.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Sheesh, you never quit do you....and i meant your lynch. Obviously there's at least one more scum to catch.
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Who shall it be, who shall it be? Round and round goes the discussion, but in the end, not much enthusiasm can be mustered for anyone other than poor spotofprey.
"Well," says spotofprey, "I certainly don't want this story going in the next edition."
With that, he abruptly disappears, and the sharper eyed amongst you can detect a small buzzing object moving at high velocity towards the open window of the chamber.
Fortunately (or unfortunately as the case may be) the swifter footed amongst you are able to close the window before the tiny beetle can make it's escape. And then someone pulls out the flyswatter.
spotofprey, Rita Skeeter, Townie Animagus, has been lynched.
It is now NIGHT 7. Please submit any night choices you may have. Night 7 will end no later than Monday, November 3, four days from now.
Edit: also, you totally smash that Firebolt (Horcrux).
Along with her body are found a few scattered gold coins. And two other items are found to have been destroyed as well.
The mood is grim. Your numbers are few. The time is short.
It is now Day 8. Preliinary Deadline for Day 8 is set for Friday, November 21.
With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to Lynch.
New Dead Items:
Sack of Galleons
Marauder's Map
Sack of Galleons
Oh, wait. It's not that kind of someone, it's this kinda of Some One.
My spleen.....it's on FIRE!!!!!
Peace all, GL town!
Now can you pretty pretty pretty please die?
Vote: Chimpanzee
I received two items last night: Marauder's Map and Sack of Galleons. Astounded by the sudden influx of items, I went outside for a bit of contemplation on my good fortunes and how I could use the items to help the town. When I return back to my quarters, I discovered to my horror my room has been ransacked and that both of those items have been destroyed.
Here's the crux of the matter: The only reason I would receive those two items and have them be destroyed within the same night would be that I was set up. And that Chimp is one of those setting me up.
Besides Chimp, I am certain whomever passed me the Map and Galleons are scums as well. For the latter, that means either Rafk or Loran, unless there is another Sack in existence we don't know of.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
And it appears we are now officially at LyLo, since >= 3scum seems very likely :/
-Alpha
Say Dagger, Wanna explain why you had the sorting hat?
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Would be a vote: Dagger
While, it is theoretically possible that the mafia could try to set up a townie by passing him the incriminating items, I don't believe I ever hinted I'd sword Dagger and if Dagger actually were a townie in these circumstances, he'd be voting for the people required to be scum in his scenario, RafK or Loran.
Also, be careful not to put Dagger into self-lynch range to avoid the day getting cut off.
3CB and 4CB5CB!Because I don't in the first place?
Of course you never needed to hint at it. You were working together with them under the cover of darkness.
Also, like hell I would vote either of them when I didn't even know which of them passed me the Galleons.
The only certainty here would be you using the Sword on me.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Any idea who could be responcible for that? :S
But PLEASE let's not rush anything here. There is still a lot of time left, and this is as delicate as a situation could get.
I.E., no more votes on Dagger at the moment....for obvious reasons.
-Alpha
One question is this: With the sack of galleons, are you given an option of taking any item from their inventory, or are you randomly assigned one, or do they choose what to give you?
I have some analysis on this situation, but I'm going to hold off until we hear from Raf first.
The galleons wording gives the player targetted the choice of what item to give. I galleons Dagger, and he got to choose an item to give me...which appears to have been the sorting hat.
And since there's not a single good reason why Dagger should have you know this cop item that disappeared (by galleonsing iirc) earlier on, I don't see why there's any discussion about lynching him.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
I don't think there's any real doubt that he's scum. It's either him or you, since you got the sorting cap from him. Either you're lying about that and scum, or he's scum, as no townie would have that item.
However, we still need to hear from RafK before lynching him. Even if Dagger's scum, which seems highly likely, we should get a clear picture of everything that happened last night. I have a few theories, but I don't want to say anything until we have all the info.
I asked Axelrod ages ago, so I can answer that straight up from my own knowledge. They choose.
Of course, if they only have 1 item, there's no choice. If the scum only passed the map to Dagger last night (it is believable to me that the scum might have passed items to Dagger last night for safekeeping if they thought Dagger was least likely to be checked by sword or galleon) then Dagger could have only had the hat to give away at time of being galleoned.
FWIW, my night action was to use the galleons on Some One. I got a polyjuice potion. I wasn't told it was destroyed, so I presume that the destroyed one either belonged to Dagger or else Some One had a second one. Can we have it confirmed where the polyjuice potions should have been?
I think this is straightforward, as I could not in any event see a believable scum team in the remaining players that did not include Dagger. The next one is tough, presuming the polyjuice doesn't expose a liar and do us a favour
Here's a problem. StormBlind claimed to get vanillified. When Dagger claimed to get vanillified, his night action (investigating me) didn't produce a result. If RafK is to be believed, then he took a polyjuice potion from Some One. If StormBlind is to be believed, he gave Some One a polyjuice potion. BUT, if StormBlind got vanillified in the same manner as Dagger, then his action of giving the potion wouldn't have happened. So how did Some One end up with a polyjuice potion when he died? He wouldn't have received one from SB, and his single potion would have been stolen by RafK?
Either:
1. RafK is lying about using the sack on Some One: The first post of the new day by Axel shows that Some One died with a potion and gold coins (sack of galleons). So RafK is telling the truth.
2. Dagger was lying about what happened when he got "hit by the curse." Dagger's ability didn't happen that night when he got hit, but yet StormBlind's did? Some One dying with the polyjuice potion proves that StormBlind's action last night did happen, which means that Dagger is lying.
So, Some One died with Polyjuice and a Sack, which means Dagger died with the other Sack and the marauder's map.
If Dagger had both the Marauder's map and the Sorting Cap at the start of the night, it makes sense that he would have given the marauder's map to Loran, as to keep the Sorting Cap out of the town's hands. My hypothesis of what happened is that Dagger got hit with Loran's sack of galleons and had to give up the Sorting Cap, and then his scum buddy passed him the incriminating marauder's map, since he was going down anyway.
So overall it's fairly clear that Dagger is scum, since he lied about getting hit with the curse, and had the sorting cap.
As for a scum buddy, I'm guessing it's RafK or possibly StormBlind. I'm a little skeptical about the whole "getting vanillified" thing, since it seems like a very convenient way to lose abilities that could help the town. RafK's choice of Some One last night was pretty poor, considering he had literally no chance of getting anything useful. StormBlind seems very likely town based on the interaction with DYH, but this curse thing seems fishy to me, especially since there is a discrepancy between how the curse "worked" on Dagger and StormBlind.
tbh I hadn't realised he did. It had registered he had been given one at some stage but not that he actually hadn't used it.
The flaw in this reasoning is that there's a difference between using an ability (Dagger's claim) and passing an item (Stormblind's claim).
That said, the fact that no-one was vanillified until Dagger claimed it days into the game is quite suspicious and it may be a one-shot that Dagger faked on himself and then used for real on SB, or something of that nature (there's an outside chance both are scum, but I still find it hard to see Kraj/SB as scum).
This part does make a lot of sense. I figured they had just made the choice to "hide" the map with Dagger by coincidence, but you're right, they should know the hat was taken in time to make decisions based on that.
And it is true. I didn't get any result.
The first is false and most likely due to what Rafk said. The second requires you to trust loran over me.
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
loran has a day 1 mason claim (plus some good behavioural indicators, but the claim is enough to start with).
What've you got to make me trust you ahead of him?
I apologize for the error. This is getting to be a habit.
At this rate, I don't see me keeping a deadline of Nov. 21st, because that's too long for no one to be posting anything.
New Deadline is November 19, ten days from now, and that can still move up.
Vote Count:
Chimpanzee - 1 (Dagger)
Dagger - 1 (loran16)
Also for reference, the Cruciatus Curse not only vanillafied me, but also roleblocked me. Which is why a polyjuice disappeared, i was passing one to Someone.
Can we have Dagger officially prodded so that we know this is on purpose and not absence or forgetfulness or whatnot?
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
Me, personally, I'd like to see if you can give a reason for us not to lynch you at this point.
-Alpha
You have three "confirmed" players collaborating in a grand conspiracy against me. You'll note behavior-wise, they (which means you as well) have been the most unhelpful of "townies" so far in this game, speaking up only when it's convenient to them.
And I am essentially vanilla.
Tell you what. I'll congratulate you after the game is over. Fair?
We'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Hosting: Vista Mafia
Hosted: Intrigue Mafia (Mini), Seance #43 (Basic), Conflux Mafia (Normal), Goo Mafia (FTQ), Experiment #26 (Basic)
Ongoing/Completed - 0/41
Town/Mafia/SK/Survivor - 30/6/4/1
NKed/Lynched/Survived - 15/11/15
vote Dagger
I have a hard time believing Loran is scum here, and it's gotta be one of you two. If the mason team is scum, they deserve a "Balls to the Wall" award for most risky gambit. I simply don't see that as very likely, especially with the manner in which they interacted with DYH.
I still say something is fishy with this cruciatus curse nonsense, but I don't see how it affects our current lynch, which should be either loran or dagger.
Chimpanzee - 1 (Dagger)
Dagger - 3 (loran16, Rafaelk, Goatrevolt)
With 7 alive it takes 4 votes to Lynch. Deadline is still set for November 19.
Vote: Dagger
Should be the hammer.
-Alpha
Chimpanzee - 1 (Dagger)
Dagger - 4 (loran16, Rafaelk, Goatrevolt, AlphaInsidious)
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"You!" says the town, speaking almost as one. "You almost surely must be one of the evil ones we seek, regardless of who else might be."
"Um, no I'm not?" says Dagger, nose twitching, who then apruptly disappears, his clothes gently billowing down upon the ground in a heap.
"Look!" says Loran16, and as everyone's eyes turn, you can see a small, black-furred shape dart from the pile of clothing, making a mad dash for the doorway.
"Get him," goes out the cry, and there is a mad stamping of feet as the shape darts this way and that, avoiding the various boots and other objects hurled in it's direction.
But, sadly for the little Rat, he cannot avoid the yellow lamp-like eyes and skeletal form of Mrs. Norris, the poor deceased caretaker's beloved cat, who appears to have been waiting in the wings for just such an opportune moment to exact revenge for the loss of her Master. Ooo, that's messy.
Dagger, Peter Pettigrew, Mafia Animagus, has been lynched.
It is now, Night 8. Night 8 should end no later than Monday, November 17, and could end earlier if all choices are received earlier.
Chimpanzee, George Weasley, Townie Trickster, has been found dead in his bed. Lying next to him are the remains of what was once a Shield Hat.
It is now, Day 9. Deadline for Day 9 will be set for Friday, December 5.
With 5 players alive it takes 3 votes to lynch.
T.
F.
Goatrevolt, want to revise your claim? Like, Now?
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
I'm guessing you targeted me with the sorting hat, the one I got last night. I'm actually curious what results you got with that, to be honest. Did it come up neutral, or strictly not-town?
Anyway, I'm actually a neutral survivor, which may not come as much surprise. It's why I argued for 2 remaining scum when the general consensus was that 3 were remaining (Nobody considered the possibility of a neutral. I didn't want to bring it up). It's why my character is Delores Umbridge, who is certainly not a good guy by any stretch, but also not part of Voldemort's team (as all the dead scum thus far have been). It's why I went out of my way to claim I had no items when armlx pushed his case on me. It was a free chance to make myself a really bad NK target, which was my biggest fear.
My role is identical to what I actually claimed. Higher lynch threshhold. 1-shot Lynch immunity. Can choose 3 people to make a lynch. If you would like, I can use my 2nd ability today, to prove that I am not mafia, as that combination of 3 roles couldn't possibly be on scum.
Your last scum is either RafK or StormBlind, though it's almost certainly RafK. His claim of Caractus Burke could easily be a false claim. YuanTi getting caught with an extra sack of galleons, but not using it to find the sorting cap was scummy. RafK using his sorting cap two nights ago on Some One, with 0 chance for relevant information is scummy.
Loran and AI are clearly town. StormBlind is very likely town, with his interaction with DYH and the use of his role. That leaves RafK.
I'll hold off, though, until we hear from everyone.
Hmmmm, I have to think about this. Going into last night, I thought you and Rafk were the final scum, but this throws me for a loop.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Well, if the hat showed me as neutral, then your problem is solved. You can lynch RafK today, and if that isn't game, then you can lynch me tomorrow, though I can assure you that you don't need me dead to win.
Rather than there being 2 scum left as everyone assumed, it's 1 scum 1 neutral. Just lynch the scum and it's game over.
Though Goat is right. If he's anti-town, then god knows what he is right now (maybe Rahl's mystery neutral from Mushroom kingdom :-P)
Rafk has to be scum.
Vote RafaelK
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Rafaelk - 1 (loran16)
By process of elimination it must be Stormblind, although that's my process of elimination (knowing I'm not scum, obviously you have no such proof) since goat is apparently neutral and loran/AI must be town or the game is lost anyway. I note that Dagger coming up scum definitely throws a doubt into the cruciatus curse thing (I am known to have used other items on the nights the '"curse" was used) which Stormblind was the only other person to claim to be hit with.
DYH was the person who claimed to confirm Stormblind as Horace Slughorn previously. I used my polyjuice last night to check out Stormblind (no-one else could have reasonably been faking their name) and can confirm that he IS Horace Slughorn. However, think about it for a second- DYH confirming that character's identity early basically gave him a free hand. But would DYH have really used an action for the night to do it? It would be much easier if he already knew the answer and didn't have to be given and use an item to confirm that.
It was also interesting with a little hindsight that Stormblind claimed to have given 2 polyjuices in a row to Some One and not to someone more trusted like a Weasley or loran.
The downside to this is that this would mean the scum had the polyjuice master and the means to make polyjuice to give him, but the town started with some of the items which townies were master of, and if there's only 4 actual scum they would have needed some power. Plus it takes him 2 days to create and pass the stuff.
Need to consider this more later.
This conversation needs more SB thoughts and GR reaction to Raf's point.
Because right now I'm honestly still leaning toward RafK, but the DYH/SB contingency is an admittedly valid point.
-Alpha
So it's confirmed that there is only 1 scum remaining, who is either RafK or StormBlind, but not both.
We can work this out logically:
If we lynch scum today, and the game doesn't end, then you know you have to lynch me next, as StormBlind and RafK are not both scum.
If we do not lynch scum today, then we should lynch the remaining player of StormBlind/RafK, because one of those two have to be scum, as we can deduce there is still one member of the mafia alive based on the night kill last night (and a 3 member mafia team seems WAY too small).
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So there is one member of the mafia remaining, who is either RafK or StormBlind. Lynch one today, if they are town, lynch the other tomorrow.
I don't see how the town can possibly lose this game, even if the wrong one gets lynched today, as long as the other dies tomorrow.
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RafK brings up some decent points about SB. RafK using items on the night of the curse is a pretty strong point. Something still seems wrong about the whole cruciatus curse nonsense anyway. I'm guessing Dagger lied about getting hit with it, which means that if StormBlind is town, he was the only town player to get hit with the curse. It then stands to reason that the scum would only be able to use it once (or else why not use it more often?). So the question is: Why did the scum wait until day 8 to use a powerful ability like that? If they were going to use it on Kraj, they could have used it far earlier in the game.
I'll think it about it more.
I gave it to Someone Purely for the fact that kraj gave one to someone the night before that as well, and Kraj was the primary player in this game, and i was still new, i trusted his judgment at that point, and made my decision from there.
Also, something i would like to put out in my defense, the FIRST person i expressed suspicion about was Dagger, in like, my first post. At the point he was under no real suspicion.
Beyond that, i cant really say anything about the cruciatus curse. All i know, was that, that night, i made the potion, i got Cursed. the flavour i recieved was that i was in such pain that i could do nothing; could barely even think. And that at the end of it, i am broken, and can do nothing anymore.
Vote Count
Rafaelk - 1 (loran16)
Vote Rafk