Your Mod. has just made a screw up of epic proportions. This may result in a player needing to be replaced through no fault of his own. I am trying to think it through.
I am very sorry about this.
Pretty much know exactly where this is going.
Let's make what could very well end up being my last post of the game.
I feel Kraj is town and Chimp is town.
I feel dagger is town.
I feel spotofprey is scum.
I feel GR is scum.
I feel RafK is scum.
And thus, the masons and myself are town. I've thrown a lot of things around today, and out of it, and with that, have been able to excellently gauge the reactions of many players - i.e - solidify that Kraj is town, find that SoP is scum, pretty much determine who the scum is and who the town is. Furthermore, SoP hasn't really gone on offense, hoping to merely slide by unscathed, staying under the radar for yet another day.
Peace all - maybe I'll be back, maybe I won't, we'll just have to wait and see.
I agree with this. I've resisted claiming absolutely everything because I'd rather the scum not know exactly what I can do, but at this point I don't think there's much left to be gained by sticking to that. My crypto:
My Role Is Horace E. F. Slughorn, A Jack Of All Trades Variant. Each Night I Can Make A Potion. If I Start The Night With A Potion I May Target A Player With It. Once I Do It Is Used Up But I Can Make It Again The Following Night. The Potions I Can Make Are: Polyjuice Potion, Felix Felicis, Wolfsbane, And Babbling Beverage. I Also Start With Veritaserum But I Can’t Make More Of It. I Can Only Make Felix Felicis Once.
Night 1 I made Felix Felicis.
Night 2 I targeted Big Time with Veritaserum. It was an investigation ability. I chose him because I was suspicious of his mirror role and the fact that there were little differences, such as the fact that I seemed to know more about what wolfsbane does than he did. Most importantly I was suspicious about his claim of Unctious Unction granting night talk, considering it literally means Poisonous Poison. You may recall I mentioned a couple times knowing for a fact the game has flavor inconsistencies. I was referring to the fact that I got a guilty result on Big Time; he lied under the influence of veritaserum.
Night 3 I made Polyjuice Potion and passed it to DYH.
Night 4 I targeted armlx with Felix Felicis, had no items to pass.
Night 5 I made Polyjuice potion and passed it.
Night 6 I made Polyjuice potion and passed it.
Considering PP appears to be the only investigative power left to the town (unless Chimp has an investigative ability), I'd rather those who have it be allowed to keep quiet about it unless it is necessary to do otherwise.
Other than my potion-making, the only contact I've had with items is armlx passed me the Ressurection Stone, and it's not nearly as useful as he thought because he did not read the instructions correctly: the question that can be asked must be a "Yes/No" question. The best use I could come up with was asking Diggy if he protected a certain player the night he died, but at best that would confirm a player and at worst tell us bubkas, whereas making polyjuice potion has the potential to catch scum, so that's what I did.
Frankly, this looks to me like the type of claim designed to convince a town not to lynch you rather than a real role. It is also pretty ridiculous that you simply didn't notice you had a one-shot ability to hand the lynch power to three people, which also is a rather broken ability.
I would probably support a spot lynch today, but I think I'm happy with where my vote is.
For one thing, the former is the same stupid logic DYH tried to smear me with. The ability to doc protect & pardon a player the next day is insanely powerful in the hands of the scum. Whatever the Imperius curse does, it sounds rather nasty to me. The idea of the scum wasting the ability to pardon a player and an imperius curse just to clear one of them is utterly retarded, especially with so many other players essentially cleared at the time.
For another, your facts are wrong. I didn't give armlx the potion, I targeted him with it.
Finally, even if you ignore that, and if you ignore my interactions with the two lynched scum, there is still the fact that I have given polyjuice potion to three players so far this game. DYH, which makes no sense as scum since there is no reason for scum to not simply use information abilities themselves, and two other players who are currently accepted as very likely town. Not only is it absurd that I have done all this just to clear myself, but it also proves I have never performed a night kill since every single night action of mine is accounted for.
In other words, GR is attacking me because there is no one else, not because it makes the tiniest bit of sense that I'm scum.
Partly because I believed his PM was more conclusive that it was, and partly because I didn't see any harm in putting a little pressure on Dagger by backing SomeOne's accusation with a vote to see how he'd react.
Kraj, you passed the potion to someone on night 5. That means that person has had time to use said potion no?
If someone got that potion and has a result, i don't see why they haven't come out yet.
QUESTION FOR GOATREVOLT: If you pardon someone (like yourself) does a lynch of that person end the day? Or does day keep on as if no lynch has been reached.
If the answer is day keeps on, then I'd like you to pardon yourself. If the answer is day ends, then we'll follow your plan atm and put you at 5 votes, but we'll do so extremely carefully.
No question we'll be testing your claim at least partly goat.
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Kraj, you passed the potion to someone on night 5. That means that person has had time to use said potion no?
If someone got that potion and has a result, i don't see why they haven't come out yet.
I was wondering that myself. My best guess would be that they didn't use the potion and used another ability instead. If the player did use the potion and has a result, there's no reason to withhold it, though.
QUESTION FOR GOATREVOLT: If you pardon someone (like yourself) does a lynch of that person end the day? Or does day keep on as if no lynch has been reached.
If the answer is day keeps on, then I'd like you to pardon yourself. If the answer is day ends, then we'll follow your plan atm and put you at 5 votes, but we'll do so extremely carefully.
No question we'll be testing your claim at least partly goat.
I actually don't know the answer to that. My understanding of the role is that if I pardon someone it is publicly announced in thread, and if that player is brought to lynch majority, the day will simply continue on as if nobody were lynched. I will ask the mod for clarification, though.
Assuming things work as I believe, and the mod will announce publicly in thread that player X is immune to lynch, then I would suggest that you bring me up to 5 votes, see that I don't get lynched, then I will make myself lynch immune, and you can bring me up to 6, 7, 8, 9, votes, whatever. That would test those two aspects of my role, and I can test my choose 3 players for the lynch ability tomorrow, or day 9, or whenever it would be most beneficial. I don't want to waste that ability, as it's pretty powerful in endgame.
Also, to test my higher lynch threshold, I would like RafK, Dagger, and Spot to all be voting me along with one other. Kraj is fine since he's already voting me. That would put me at 4 votes, and minimize the chance of scum quick-lynching since the top scum suspects are already voting me. Then I can place the 5th vote, and unvote afterwards. Sound good?
I'm fine with GR's plan. And, seeing as the "evidence" on dagger is not actually that substantial, I'm thinking RafK is the best lynch target because pretty much every scum list contains him.
Chimp, that's a bit lazy isn't it? I haven't seen someone make a case against me since I came in, and (if given a case) from what I've of my predecessor I don't think there's a good case against him/me.
I still don't see why people aren't against spot. I guess I need to make the effort to make the case as well as read it (which is fair enough, actually),
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Using my ability to make someone lynch immune will be publicly announced, and bringing that player up to what would normally be a lynch will not end the day.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
We can consider that tested then I guess. Good. unvote, vote spot
It's also 5:30am and I haven't slept yet, so unfortunately I can't see myself having time in the next 24 hours for case-making. Apologies for not being able to put the energies into this game as I expected I would when I replaced in- the last few weeks has not been kind in that way (I'm probably going to be taking another break from mafia once this and smalltown are done, other than to eventually mod my games when they come up.)
@ Others, if someone can provide some information regarding whether they started with an item that makes sense for their character or not, that would be great. (I.e - I started with a potion that I used at a point during the series)
Now that GR has claimed, apparently Dolores Umbridge started with the Invisibility Cloak, which has no flavor relevance as well.
Actually, no, I consider that a point of suspicion on Dagger.
What I mean is this. We're at the point where there are a number of scummy items which would basically prove someone is scum if they were caught with them, such as the Sorting Cap or Marauder's Map. Players verified to not have these items are subsequently seen as more town (though not confirmed by any stretch). Looking at the game from a scum perspective, I'm one of the best mislynch options they have. Most everyone else is confirmed town or highly likely to be town.
Therefore, it doesn't help the scum out to point out that I'm itemless, thus making me a less attractive lynch. Dagger, if scum, was at a point where he had already investigated RafK and Spot. His next logical target for his ability was myself, and he wouldn't want to confirm that I was itemless. Another plausible scenario is that Dagger committed the scum kill while RafK used the sword on AI, and thus Dagger didn't actually investigate me. Rather than take a guess on what items I would have or not have, it was simply easier to claim to get vanillified.
In other words, I'm suspicious of the convenience of this claim.
So, you are also of the opinion that you were the one I would most likely target last night. Earlier today, you were saying how I could confirm people as town as well, making me wondering whether you were overrating my ability. Both of these points suggest that you as a scum would be worrying about me and wanting to take me out of the equation altogether.
Can someone tell me whether a governor-type role is a town-only role?
Generally so. Unrestricted governor is 100% a town role. A single scum could win against any number of townies with that role barring night kill shenanigans. 1-shot governor is less powerful, and could possibly be scum strictly from a power standpoint, although I've never once seen scum with it. 1-shot governor + the ability to choose 3 players to make a lynch would be way too powerful for scum. The end-game power that ability grants to scum is insane.
So, you are also of the opinion that you were the one I would most likely target last night. Earlier today, you were saying how I could confirm people as town as well, making me wondering whether you were overrating my ability. Both of these points suggest that you as a scum would be worrying about me and wanting to take me out of the equation altogether.
Not really. I wanted you to target me and get a result. The fact that you were mysteriously vanillified and unable to do so is what makes me suspicious. I gave reasons for why I said you could confirm people as town. Not 100%, but suggestively.
For example: Last night you target me and see I have no items. Armlx roleblocks me. A night kill happened last night. Therefore I have no items and did not perform the night kill. After my role claim, you see that I also do not have an ability that works at night. If I'm scum why am I not the one making a night kill? I have no items. I have no night abilities. I've already been roleblocked once, suggesting I probably would not be roleblocked again. RafK used the sword last night. Spot has an ability. Dagger has an ability. Kraj has an ability, etc. Why would the scum make someone who has an actual ability submit a NK over someone who doesn't?
It's for that reason that I am suspicious of your claim to be vanillified. I can see a few reasons why that would be something you would fake claim. 1. You didn't actually target me and instead submitted the night kill, and rather than take a guess as to items I do or do not have, you instead made this claim.
2. You did target me, and didn't want to inform everyone that I was itemless, for the reasons I suggested in the paragraph above.
However, if you are telling the truth and were legitimately vanillified, then I'm wondering who could have done that. RafK used the sword. I was roleblocked. Spot then would have likely submitted the NK. Who then made you vanilla?
Effective Immediately, Stormblind is replacing in for Kraj.
I would like to reiterate that this replacement is entirely my own fault due to a mistake I made, and has nothing to do with Kraj.
Also, I've promised Stormblind that he does not have to read up on all ~3000 back posts if he's too busy/doesn't want to, so please be understanding about that. It is very gracious of him to agree to replace in at all this late in the game.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Your posts in another thread combined with the idea that maybe I shouldn't have said what I said.
I thought perhaps I revealed too much information and maybe the mod didn't mean for that to be known, or something like that.
In other words, you were worried that maybe you revealed too much info from your role PM or something to that extent? There's no harm in revealing info from your role PM (unless it explicitly states otherwise). It's only a problem if you're quoting it. Generally the punishment for PM quoting is a modkill anyway.
I've only seen a replacement from mod error happen once. It was because the mod PMed a player role information meant for another player on accident. The only scenario I can think of where a mod is forced to replace a player based on mod error is revealing too much information or information the player shouldn't be privy to.
There isn't any real point in speculating on why I had to replace Kraj. It should not have an effect on anything else in the game. The reason will be disclosed at the end along with more profuse apologies.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
....AXEL...you replace Kraj and give us RAHL??? Like seriously, plus a rahl who has no clue what's happening. If Kraj is town (and i'm 99% sure he is) he just became totally stupid and useless..
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
EBWODP Also, i see no reason why not for GR to use his pardon on himself right now.
I think that we should tak every precaution, plus itll give rahl time to "catch up"
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I think it's pretty obvious that Axel or someone else (but from the way he's speaking, Axel) accidentally PM'd Kraj something that shouldn't have been sent to Kraj. Mod's worst nightmare. In any event, Kraj clearly didn't say anything about it in public, so there's not much use in further speculation.
Yes, it does suck to lose Kraj at this point, since I think he was coming across as pretty trustworthy. At least Stormblind should have access to the list of who Kraj gave potions to, which is pretty much the only info Kraj hadn't already given out and which we might need to confirm the use or non-use of said potions.
Ill endeavor to catch up asap, but it is thanksgiving here tomorrow, and my last day of work is tuesday, so ill catch up hopefully by the end of the week.
Also: Hi.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
As you continue to discuss matters, you hear a loud banging sound on the door to the chamber. It almost sounds as though someone was hammering on it. Moving to investige, you open the door, only to find that, yes, it was hammering, and a large sign has now been affixed to the doorway. The sign reads:
---By Order of--- The High Inquisitor of Hogwarts
goatrevolt may not be lynched today.
The above is in accordance with Educational Decree Number One.
There is a very official-looking seal at the bottom. You all realize that, whatever else you will be doing today, you certainly won't be lynching goatrevolt.
Goatrevolt has lynch immunity for the remainder of this game day.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Good, I'm happy to take that as confirming that goat is what he says he is. That's not a pair of abilities I would really expect to see on a scum, and he wasn't on my list anyway.
Well, now it appears that the possibility of a scum GR is remote.
I still think that Spot warrants some serious consideration...He's skated underneath whatever bigger threats come up for the past few days, and has really somehow managed to be one of the most under-the-radar, yet talked about scum possibilities.
I say we stoke the fire.
Vote: Spotofprey
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Well, now it appears that the possibility of a scum GR is remote.
I still think that Spot warrants some serious consideration...He's skated underneath whatever bigger threats come up for the past few days, and has really somehow managed to be one of the most under-the-radar, yet talked about scum possibilities.
I say we stoke the fire.
Vote: Spotofprey
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Nice substance-filled accusation. Kraj was gonna post a case, but I guess that's not going to happen. Maybe wait for a fresh SB's perspective on the game?
You voted Dagger cuz of my supposedly damning evidence which actually wasn't anything (not delving into before that with this post). You unvoted because of it, and then your most recent vote and un-vote was on GR for his plan. You are saying you still think Dagger is scum - what in his claim rings scummy to you?
You voted Dagger cuz of my supposedly damning evidence which actually wasn't anything (not delving into before that with this post). You unvoted because of it, and then your most recent vote and un-vote was on GR for his plan. You are saying you still think Dagger is scum - what in his claim rings scummy to you?
The information was yours, pal. You were the one that claimed it was concrete, when it turned out not to be. You can't attack someone for actually believing you.
I placed my vote because I thought a wagon would actually get moving. Its a playstyle thing - I won't leave my vote on someone forever just because I don't like the way they seem to me. I use my vote to accomplish something, not just throw around.
The whole claim is scummy. A role like that has very limited use to the town, but is actually quite useful for the mafia to target troublesome town items. A convenient role wipe happens when we get down to the nitty gritty, and it all looks bad in my book.
Raf: What do you think about the possibility of Dagger/Spot both being scum?
I vaguely recall there has been a theory in which one of them must be scum but not both. Can't remember why, though.
Other than spot, who do you think is scum?
That's a good question. I believe you (goat), I believe Kraj/Stormblind, Chimp is confirmed without a doubt. Leaving aside loran and AI for a second, that only leaves Dagger and Some One (besides spot). Seeing as there could be 3 scum left in total, that doesn't leave a lot of room to be considering either of them to be town.
The wildcard is of course loran and AI pulling the scum masons gambit, which I think is very very unlikely for reasons previously stated, and I don't see any reason to inquire down that path.
I was contemplating this game in chem. lecture today, and I tried to decipher who I think is scum and who I think is town, as well as whatever else came to mind.
And really, the main thing I was wondering is who could have vanillafied dagger? It's a really good move for the scum to do so, at the same time it is suspicious that he can no longer do anything.
Another thing I realised - town SpotofPrey has been pretty different than SpotofPrey this game.
Another point - Goatrevolt wanted things to be very precise in his movements regarding his confirmationg - is all that necessary? Did it need to be done so precisely or is it covering up something more complex?
Something Else - Chimp - you are as close to 100% confirmed town as you can get, what are your thoughts on things? I feel you should be using your status to hunt some more scum as opposed to sit back and relax.
Furthermore - I'm trying to make sense of Dagger and Spot. I want to see both of them as town, but with that, I want to see GR with town, as well as the masons as town. As a result, they both really can't be town. Thus, I'm pretty sure I support a Spot lynch today.
Thing is - Those who aren't Masons/Chimp/Kraj - thus, myself, Dagger, Spot, RafK, and GR all have different scum lists. We are all poiting at each other - RafK looking at Dagger, Spot, and myself; myself looking at Rafk and Spot; Spot looking at Dagger, etc - I feel we need more say from those who have a say. The masons as well as Chimp really shouldn't be chilling as much as they are. Likewise, Spot should probably elaborate on who else he feels is scum besides Dagger.
Overall, I believe Loran and AI are town, and the scum, which could be something like Dagger, Spot, and RafK, are just all pointing the fingers at different people in hopes of a mislynch, or at least, the lynch of one to draw suspicion off the other.
Another point - Goatrevolt wanted things to be very precise in his movements regarding his confirmationg - is all that necessary? Did it need to be done so precisely or is it covering up something more complex?
There are reasons why I wanted to do things in a very precise manner. I chose the people to vote me up to 4 votes specifically in such a way to minimize the chance of scum hammering me while I was simply testing my role. Spot, if scum, for example could have hammered me at no loss to himself, because he's already on the plate for our lynch today. It would have confirmed that he was scum, but at the cost of a day.
I waited to use my governor ability until after it had been shown that I had a 2/3 lynch threshold. I did that so that it was obvious that I have both abilities.
There are reasons why I wanted to do things in a very precise manner. I chose the people to vote me up to 4 votes specifically in such a way to minimize the chance of scum hammering me while I was simply testing my role. Spot, if scum, for example could have hammered me at no loss to himself, because he's already on the plate for our lynch today. It would have confirmed that he was scum, but at the cost of a day.
Sounds good - yeah, like what Cyan did in Pre-Historic, SpotofPrey could have just sacrificed himself to kill you. In other words, brought a townie down with him is never bad when you are already going down.
1-shot governor is less powerful, and could possibly be scum strictly from a power standpoint, although I've never once seen scum with it. 1-shot governor + the ability to choose 3 players to make a lynch would be way too powerful for scum. The end-game power that ability grants to scum is insane.
This point is certainly true and is in your favor.
However, if you are telling the truth and were legitimately vanillified, then I'm wondering who could have done that. RafK used the sword. I was roleblocked. Spot then would have likely submitted the NK. Who then made you vanilla?
Well, if everyone is speaking the truth, then that points toward Chimp, loran, AI, and SO, four of whom are likeliest to be town right now, however bloody unlikely that is. I would like to point out though that we only have your word on it that armlx RBed you last night, again highlighting the point why would he RBed you again after already done so once.
I still believe both Spot and Rafk are likely to be scums, the former verily more so than the latter.
All right, this needs a bump. And a deadline. I know people are waiting for Stormblind, but, it just can't wait that long.
So, Deadline is set for Friday, October 31st, by midnight e.s.t. (the Witching Hour as it were). That's about 15 days.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
goatrevolt - 2 (Stormblind (carries over from Kraj), Dagger)
spotofprey - 2 (Rafaelk, AlphaInsidious)
With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@ Goat & Chimp - you are both pretty much as confirmed as you can get - could you guys please share your thoughts regarding how you feel about the Spot lynch?
Some One: Not long ago you had me as a top suspect. What changed?
I think Spot is a decent lynch. I think Dagger is also a decent lynch. I'm having a hard time picking out who I think is scummier out of the two of them. My guess would be that both are scum. RafK would be my top pick for a 3rd scum after those two, although most of that is process of elimination.
A very pro-town claim backed with support and proof is what basically has confirmed you to be town. I don't think a scum would have a higher lynch threshhold as well as the ability to make a person lynch immune for a day AND allow 3 people to control the lynch for a day. Too much townie stuff packed into one person to make you scum IMHO.
I'm pretty much all for a Spot lynch at this point. One thing I do not like in his behavior is the fact that he's been acting very much so like a person who is going to get lynched regardless - even though he hasn't been lynched yet, and didn't get lynched yesterday. In other words, he hasn't said much, done much, or expressed unique thought since the time at which people started wanting him dead. He's pretty much just going with the flow hoping to live another day, realizing that what he says won't matter. Sorta like CPE, except CPE does that every game, Spot doesn't, and thus Vote SpotofPrey.
I'm pretty much all for a Spot lynch at this point. One thing I do not like in his behavior is the fact that he's been acting very much so like a person who is going to get lynched regardless - even though he hasn't been lynched yet, and didn't get lynched yesterday. In other words, he hasn't said much, done much, or expressed unique thought since the time at which people started wanting him dead. He's pretty much just going with the flow hoping to live another day, realizing that what he says won't matter. Sorta like CPE, except CPE does that every game, Spot doesn't, and thus Vote SpotofPrey.
I've answered every question asked of me, addressed every case. Just because you all choose to ignore my points doesn't mean I'm not making them.
Can you blame me for my behavior? Defending myself, people just ignore the points and steamroll on?
I've been trying to get a full re-read done but I haven't really had the time to finish it. As far as I can tell though, Cubus frequently fell under mild suspicion and nothing in spot's posts does that much to help him so a spot lynch seems good.
Pretty much know exactly where this is going.
Let's make what could very well end up being my last post of the game.
I feel Kraj is town and Chimp is town.
I feel dagger is town.
I feel spotofprey is scum.
I feel GR is scum.
I feel RafK is scum.
And thus, the masons and myself are town. I've thrown a lot of things around today, and out of it, and with that, have been able to excellently gauge the reactions of many players - i.e - solidify that Kraj is town, find that SoP is scum, pretty much determine who the scum is and who the town is. Furthermore, SoP hasn't really gone on offense, hoping to merely slide by unscathed, staying under the radar for yet another day.
Peace all - maybe I'll be back, maybe I won't, we'll just have to wait and see.
Kraj, you passed the potion to someone on night 5. That means that person has had time to use said potion no?
If someone got that potion and has a result, i don't see why they haven't come out yet.
QUESTION FOR GOATREVOLT: If you pardon someone (like yourself) does a lynch of that person end the day? Or does day keep on as if no lynch has been reached.
If the answer is day keeps on, then I'd like you to pardon yourself. If the answer is day ends, then we'll follow your plan atm and put you at 5 votes, but we'll do so extremely carefully.
No question we'll be testing your claim at least partly goat.
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I was wondering that myself. My best guess would be that they didn't use the potion and used another ability instead. If the player did use the potion and has a result, there's no reason to withhold it, though.
I actually don't know the answer to that. My understanding of the role is that if I pardon someone it is publicly announced in thread, and if that player is brought to lynch majority, the day will simply continue on as if nobody were lynched. I will ask the mod for clarification, though.
Assuming things work as I believe, and the mod will announce publicly in thread that player X is immune to lynch, then I would suggest that you bring me up to 5 votes, see that I don't get lynched, then I will make myself lynch immune, and you can bring me up to 6, 7, 8, 9, votes, whatever. That would test those two aspects of my role, and I can test my choose 3 players for the lynch ability tomorrow, or day 9, or whenever it would be most beneficial. I don't want to waste that ability, as it's pretty powerful in endgame.
Also, to test my higher lynch threshold, I would like RafK, Dagger, and Spot to all be voting me along with one other. Kraj is fine since he's already voting me. That would put me at 4 votes, and minimize the chance of scum quick-lynching since the top scum suspects are already voting me. Then I can place the 5th vote, and unvote afterwards. Sound good?
3CB and 4CB5CB!Chimp, that's a bit lazy isn't it? I haven't seen someone make a case against me since I came in, and (if given a case) from what I've of my predecessor I don't think there's a good case against him/me.
I still don't see why people aren't against spot. I guess I need to make the effort to make the case as well as read it (which is fair enough, actually),
goatrevolt - 3 (Kraj, spotofprey, Rafaelk)
With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.
Vote: goatrevolt
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goatrevolt - 4 (Kraj, spotofprey, Rafaelk, Dagger)
With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.
It's also 5:30am and I haven't slept yet, so unfortunately I can't see myself having time in the next 24 hours for case-making. Apologies for not being able to put the energies into this game as I expected I would when I replaced in- the last few weeks has not been kind in that way (I'm probably going to be taking another break from mafia once this and smalltown are done, other than to eventually mod my games when they come up.)
Can someone tell me whether a governor-type role is a town-only role?
Now that GR has claimed, apparently Dolores Umbridge started with the Invisibility Cloak, which has no flavor relevance as well.
So, you are also of the opinion that you were the one I would most likely target last night. Earlier today, you were saying how I could confirm people as town as well, making me wondering whether you were overrating my ability. Both of these points suggest that you as a scum would be worrying about me and wanting to take me out of the equation altogether.
Right... I thought the entire basis of your vote earlier was about how I locked my name in the crypto-claim?
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We definitely can. I'm going to wait and hear from Chimp/AI/Loran and see how they want to proceed.
Generally so. Unrestricted governor is 100% a town role. A single scum could win against any number of townies with that role barring night kill shenanigans. 1-shot governor is less powerful, and could possibly be scum strictly from a power standpoint, although I've never once seen scum with it. 1-shot governor + the ability to choose 3 players to make a lynch would be way too powerful for scum. The end-game power that ability grants to scum is insane.
This is true.
Not really. I wanted you to target me and get a result. The fact that you were mysteriously vanillified and unable to do so is what makes me suspicious. I gave reasons for why I said you could confirm people as town. Not 100%, but suggestively.
For example: Last night you target me and see I have no items. Armlx roleblocks me. A night kill happened last night. Therefore I have no items and did not perform the night kill. After my role claim, you see that I also do not have an ability that works at night. If I'm scum why am I not the one making a night kill? I have no items. I have no night abilities. I've already been roleblocked once, suggesting I probably would not be roleblocked again. RafK used the sword last night. Spot has an ability. Dagger has an ability. Kraj has an ability, etc. Why would the scum make someone who has an actual ability submit a NK over someone who doesn't?
It's for that reason that I am suspicious of your claim to be vanillified. I can see a few reasons why that would be something you would fake claim. 1. You didn't actually target me and instead submitted the night kill, and rather than take a guess as to items I do or do not have, you instead made this claim.
2. You did target me, and didn't want to inform everyone that I was itemless, for the reasons I suggested in the paragraph above.
However, if you are telling the truth and were legitimately vanillified, then I'm wondering who could have done that. RafK used the sword. I was roleblocked. Spot then would have likely submitted the NK. Who then made you vanilla?
You're talking about the mason pair, I presume?
I would like to reiterate that this replacement is entirely my own fault due to a mistake I made, and has nothing to do with Kraj.
Also, I've promised Stormblind that he does not have to read up on all ~3000 back posts if he's too busy/doesn't want to, so please be understanding about that. It is very gracious of him to agree to replace in at all this late in the game.
Welcome to the game Stormblind.
Your posts in another thread combined with the idea that maybe I shouldn't have said what I said.
I thought perhaps I revealed too much information and maybe the mod didn't mean for that to be known, or something like that.
My question really is, what happened with Kraj?
In other words, you were worried that maybe you revealed too much info from your role PM or something to that extent? There's no harm in revealing info from your role PM (unless it explicitly states otherwise). It's only a problem if you're quoting it. Generally the punishment for PM quoting is a modkill anyway.
I've only seen a replacement from mod error happen once. It was because the mod PMed a player role information meant for another player on accident. The only scenario I can think of where a mod is forced to replace a player based on mod error is revealing too much information or information the player shouldn't be privy to.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
I think that we should tak every precaution, plus itll give rahl time to "catch up"
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Yes, it does suck to lose Kraj at this point, since I think he was coming across as pretty trustworthy. At least Stormblind should have access to the list of who Kraj gave potions to, which is pretty much the only info Kraj hadn't already given out and which we might need to confirm the use or non-use of said potions.
Also: Hi.
There is a very official-looking seal at the bottom. You all realize that, whatever else you will be doing today, you certainly won't be lynching goatrevolt.
Goatrevolt has lynch immunity for the remainder of this game day.
I still think that Spot warrants some serious consideration...He's skated underneath whatever bigger threats come up for the past few days, and has really somehow managed to be one of the most under-the-radar, yet talked about scum possibilities.
I say we stoke the fire.
Vote: Spotofprey
-Alpha
Nice substance-filled accusation. Kraj was gonna post a case, but I guess that's not going to happen. Maybe wait for a fresh SB's perspective on the game?
Who do you find scummy?
Is this Groundhog Day?
I still think Dagger is scum. I've given my reasons for thinking so.
Do you mind actually reading some posts for once?
You voted Dagger cuz of my supposedly damning evidence which actually wasn't anything (not delving into before that with this post). You unvoted because of it, and then your most recent vote and un-vote was on GR for his plan. You are saying you still think Dagger is scum - what in his claim rings scummy to you?
The information was yours, pal. You were the one that claimed it was concrete, when it turned out not to be. You can't attack someone for actually believing you.
I placed my vote because I thought a wagon would actually get moving. Its a playstyle thing - I won't leave my vote on someone forever just because I don't like the way they seem to me. I use my vote to accomplish something, not just throw around.
The whole claim is scummy. A role like that has very limited use to the town, but is actually quite useful for the mafia to target troublesome town items. A convenient role wipe happens when we get down to the nitty gritty, and it all looks bad in my book.
I vaguely recall there has been a theory in which one of them must be scum but not both. Can't remember why, though.
That's a good question. I believe you (goat), I believe Kraj/Stormblind, Chimp is confirmed without a doubt. Leaving aside loran and AI for a second, that only leaves Dagger and Some One (besides spot). Seeing as there could be 3 scum left in total, that doesn't leave a lot of room to be considering either of them to be town.
The wildcard is of course loran and AI pulling the scum masons gambit, which I think is very very unlikely for reasons previously stated, and I don't see any reason to inquire down that path.
And really, the main thing I was wondering is who could have vanillafied dagger? It's a really good move for the scum to do so, at the same time it is suspicious that he can no longer do anything.
Another thing I realised - town SpotofPrey has been pretty different than SpotofPrey this game.
Another point - Goatrevolt wanted things to be very precise in his movements regarding his confirmationg - is all that necessary? Did it need to be done so precisely or is it covering up something more complex?
Something Else - Chimp - you are as close to 100% confirmed town as you can get, what are your thoughts on things? I feel you should be using your status to hunt some more scum as opposed to sit back and relax.
Furthermore - I'm trying to make sense of Dagger and Spot. I want to see both of them as town, but with that, I want to see GR with town, as well as the masons as town. As a result, they both really can't be town. Thus, I'm pretty sure I support a Spot lynch today.
Thing is - Those who aren't Masons/Chimp/Kraj - thus, myself, Dagger, Spot, RafK, and GR all have different scum lists. We are all poiting at each other - RafK looking at Dagger, Spot, and myself; myself looking at Rafk and Spot; Spot looking at Dagger, etc - I feel we need more say from those who have a say. The masons as well as Chimp really shouldn't be chilling as much as they are. Likewise, Spot should probably elaborate on who else he feels is scum besides Dagger.
Overall, I believe Loran and AI are town, and the scum, which could be something like Dagger, Spot, and RafK, are just all pointing the fingers at different people in hopes of a mislynch, or at least, the lynch of one to draw suspicion off the other.
There are reasons why I wanted to do things in a very precise manner. I chose the people to vote me up to 4 votes specifically in such a way to minimize the chance of scum hammering me while I was simply testing my role. Spot, if scum, for example could have hammered me at no loss to himself, because he's already on the plate for our lynch today. It would have confirmed that he was scum, but at the cost of a day.
I waited to use my governor ability until after it had been shown that I had a 2/3 lynch threshold. I did that so that it was obvious that I have both abilities.
Sounds good - yeah, like what Cyan did in Pre-Historic, SpotofPrey could have just sacrificed himself to kill you. In other words, brought a townie down with him is never bad when you are already going down.
This point is certainly true and is in your favor.
Well, if everyone is speaking the truth, then that points toward Chimp, loran, AI, and SO, four of whom are likeliest to be town right now, however bloody unlikely that is. I would like to point out though that we only have your word on it that armlx RBed you last night, again highlighting the point why would he RBed you again after already done so once.
I still believe both Spot and Rafk are likely to be scums, the former verily more so than the latter.
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So, Deadline is set for Friday, October 31st, by midnight e.s.t. (the Witching Hour as it were). That's about 15 days.
goatrevolt - 2 (Stormblind (carries over from Kraj), Dagger)
spotofprey - 2 (Rafaelk, AlphaInsidious)
With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.
I think Spot is a decent lynch. I think Dagger is also a decent lynch. I'm having a hard time picking out who I think is scummier out of the two of them. My guess would be that both are scum. RafK would be my top pick for a 3rd scum after those two, although most of that is process of elimination.
I'm pretty much all for a Spot lynch at this point. One thing I do not like in his behavior is the fact that he's been acting very much so like a person who is going to get lynched regardless - even though he hasn't been lynched yet, and didn't get lynched yesterday. In other words, he hasn't said much, done much, or expressed unique thought since the time at which people started wanting him dead. He's pretty much just going with the flow hoping to live another day, realizing that what he says won't matter. Sorta like CPE, except CPE does that every game, Spot doesn't, and thus Vote SpotofPrey.
I've answered every question asked of me, addressed every case. Just because you all choose to ignore my points doesn't mean I'm not making them.
Can you blame me for my behavior? Defending myself, people just ignore the points and steamroll on?
3CB and 4CB5CB!And the fact that you have, as of recently, only posted when your name is brought up, does not help your cause.