Reading over the 'promises of action' and emphasizing one specific point...
You are claiming to be as anti-town as immaginable, going so far as to claim that you will not help us find scum, but instead will steer the town towards whatever agenda you create (promise 1, create agenda).
You are claiming scum or neutral or the worst role ever made. Forgive me a momment....
Vote Urban Druid
You are forgiven. The chance to get your one-shot vig, one shot-doc or one-shot cop ability has already passed with the votes against me.
In the distance, you can hear the roar of the crowds below. Looking down through the broken window, RobRoy sighs. "It's not just news crews anymore. There's a huge swarm of people down there. The police are barely able to control them. And what are those guys doing...?"
He points at a few journalists on the building across the street, using electromagnetic equipment to scale the building. One of them was busy snapping pictures in through the broken window. RobRoy panics and pulls his head back. "Do you think they saw me?"
The nameless man sighs, and walks over to the potted plant in the corner, from which he withdraws an AK-47. Several of you gawk in fearful amazement. "Step aside", he mutters. Leaning out the broken window, he shoots off a few rounds at the men across the street, but they are too far away. With a groan, the nameless man drags the potted plant toward the broken window, which obscures the view sufficiently. "I suppose we should expect more of that. Be prepared."
"For what?" Cyan asks, nervously. The man doesn't respond, but rather returns to his chair in the corner, the gun leaned against his shoulder.
The hell? Why was I in that event? Did someone just take my picture?
Urban Druid: with your experience, you should have realized what the response to you making your first post was going to be - disbelief. If you wanted us to not vote/FOS you, you needed to be much more explicit about what would happen if we did. So why did you keep it vague and hide it in a post that was mostly fluff?
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
UD, is your claim that you're a jack-of-all-trades that hands out 1 shots instead of using them himself but only if you're not voted or FOSed during the day?
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In other news, my read on UD is...well:
First, if he's town, he should know better than to try crap like that with a real role. He uses proper terminology so I'm assuming there is experience there.
If he's scum, well, he should know better than to try crap like that with a fake role. He uses proper terminology so I'm assuming there is experience there.
I'm so confused. Action says noob, words say otherwise. Experience DEFINITELY matters here. Questioning his motive just leads me to WIFOM road. I don't think he's scum unless he's a noob, then I have to say its null.
Also, I think this is going to be a really fun game. =]
I was the town version of the Mod in Blood Moon mafia; any actions that targeted him also targeted me - I had to post by sending PMs which he then typed into the thread as him speaking. Him acting as a player in some form or fashion wouldn't be a stretch.
You (Cyan) made the Town(town aligned players) lose their chance(possibility) for an investigation(finding scum), because you(cyan) voted for me(urban druid).
DOES YOU UNDERSTAND ENGRISH?
One problem with this: by getting your ability out in the open, you're insuring that if we ever do catch a scum, all they have to do is vote for you to keep us from getting whatever ability it is.
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Hey, you! Yeah, you behind the computer screen! You're unconstitutional.
The idea of trying to lynch the Mod, after Xyre's other games, doesn't seem like a good one to me. I've learned from that mistake.
I can personally guarantee that an attempt to lynch the mod in this game game will go over a lot better than it did in Blood Moon. I'll take full responsibility for the lynch.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
If he is scum, it an incredibly poor gambit, esp with calling all the attention to himself while saying he will NOT work towards many pro-town goals.
If he is neutral, he prolly has (at least IMO, from his description of his powers) something that benefits the town, which would lead to his NKing.
I'm leaning towards a poor scum gambit here. Just gut instinct. However, I don't want to lean on my instinct, or let it guide my decisions, so I'll FoS Urban Druid
Finally, Apparently the votes on Xyre are showing up. Interesting. I have always had that thought in the back of my head, in every game, what happens when the mod dies? I am not opposed to CP's plan at all, but I don't know CP's motives. I also don't understand why CP is so sure that lynching Xyre is a good thing. I do like that he is willing to take full responsibility for the lynch. For now though, I would prefer to simply lynch players. Besides, how do you find the scumtells of the mod?
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What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I can personally guarantee that an attempt to lynch the mod in this game game will go over a lot better than it did in Blood Moon. I'll take full responsibility for the lynch.
That statement is laughable. Full responsibility meaning..what, exactly? That if we lynch him, and it accomplishes absolutely nothing, then what happens tomorrow? Absolutely nothing, except that we wasted a day. If the Mod can be lynched, which is greatly unlikely, then, he can be lynched some time when it is more opportune/we have more to gain from it.
Besides, in a Xyre game, you could easily be a neutral whose whole mission is to get the town to lynch the Mod. You win and then we keep going. Except that we wasted a day. I'll pass on that for now.
@BigTime: The only way that UD is getting NKed is A)if he's Vigged or B)if he ends up getting investigated as town. The problem is that, if there is no way to Vig him/he has some kind of protection, him NOT getting NKed will only make him appear more pro-town, regardless of whether this is the case. Hey, if UD gets run up to claim range and wants to provide us some kind of concrete claim/information, then it can be evaluated accordingly. But, based upon what he's posted so far, his behavior has been completely and utterly anti-town.
Niv also disclaimed his 'Don't vote me' with a logical reason to not do so, and with a statement that was easily proven at any point that the town wanted to do so. Besides, there is a hugely different aspect to '2 votes lynches me' and 'any vote on me and I can't do anything for the night'. So..what then? Any time that the scum want to prevent him from being useful, they'll just throw a vote on him. I mean..honestly.
As for this 'neutral without a kill' talk...please. The only person to ever really successfully make that argument was Azrael, and he was a scum type of neutral at the time. And anyway, UD has claimed to be town anyway, so either A)that argument is invalid and you shouldn't be using it or B)you think that UD is a liar, and clearly should be voting him accordingly for such, on top of everything else.
Lynching a survivor is perfectly fine for Day 1. Particularly 1 that has blatantly pledged to not be at all helpful.
Lynching a survivor that you seem to suspect of being a survivor (aka not scum false claiming) is not a perfectly fine day 1 lynch - it doesn't give us anything.
That statement is laughable. Full responsibility meaning..what, exactly? That if we lynch him, and it accomplishes absolutely nothing, then what happens tomorrow? Absolutely nothing, except that we wasted a day. If the Mod can be lynched, which is greatly unlikely, then, he can be lynched some time when it is more opportune/we have more to gain from it.
Besides, in a Xyre game, you could easily be a neutral whose whole mission is to get the town to lynch the Mod. You win and then we keep going. Except that we wasted a day. I'll pass on that for now.
Paragraph 1 is you being scummy, by ignoring my claim of knowing who the scum is.
Paragraph 2 is you being scummy by fearmongering.
If you want to hold me accountable for the lynch, let me do this. If Xyre isn't scum, vig me tonight. Don't give me a chance to defend myself, or anything else. I will die, and that will be that.
Heck, if you have to, lynch me today and kill Xyre tonight. Just get Xyre dead, because I know he's scum.
My vote counts after I die, so the town won't have to risk anything, except my brilliant analysis. Vigging me won't lose the town anything; lynching me won't lose the town anything but a day. And in both cases I'll be confirmed as a townie vote.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I'll wait until we see the next votecount to see if Pale Mage's theory is correct. Otherwise, I am willing to follow CP's plan. His taking full responsibility makes up for any uncertinty I have.
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@CP: Well, if you're not going to answer how you know, could you at least answer why you came out so early with this information?
BT's willingness to follow the plan just because CP is willing take all the blame bothers me.
My knowledge is not part of my role. It was given to me by a third party in a manner that makes it very clear that it's true. Whoever gave it to me picked the perfect person, because I can put myself on the line without any risk.
As for why I came out so early, I guess I just get impatient easily, especially when my survival makes no difference to my ability to play the game.
I'll agree that BT's willingness to follow could be scummy, depending. I'll wait for him to respond before I say anything.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Hmm, very interesting so far. Need more sleep before I make a decision though. Leaning don't care about UD for now and erring on the side of dead mod IF CP knows who sent the info.
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Why am I willing to follow the plan? First, CP knows something the rest of us don't. I don't know if this is from an investigation or from an outside source or what, but it doesn't matter.
CP's willingness to put himself on the line for this information makes me trust the plan a little more. Without that willingness, it could easily be nothing more than a stupid gamble. With CP putting himself at risk, it makes me think that this is less of a gamble and more of CP actually knowing something. I was incredibly suspicious of CP's proposal at first, but I feel a little safer with this.
The only situation I can see that CP is lying and pulling a gambit for himself is if he's a neutral that involves getting the town to lynch the mod to win. That seems incredibly silly to me.
Unless Pale Mage is right, I feel fine with CP's plan.
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Well, good morning everyone. This... I did not expect.
You see, I was going to log on and quickly warn everyone not to vote for me. Predictably someone already has (not Disrupt_Your_Hymn's fault, someone was bound to), but fortunately only the one. Still, very interesting in the context of Urban Druid.
Let's put it this way: I have no idea what his alignment might be, but the Vote/FOS vulnerability and his claim seems very much in keeping with what little I know of the game so far. Combine this with the fact that he'll be a high priority target for the scums and I'm reluctant to go after him in the near future. He claims to be able to investigate if left alone? Then let's leave him untouched tomorrow and guide his investigation for him.
I'm amused by carrion pigeons. Chance of my going along with his plan based on current information: 0.00% If that's some kind of gambit it's one of the saddest attempts ever.
Just to clarify, let's have some big text!
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If you want to vote me for whatever reason, please do not use "Vote". Instead, FOS me and add a note to the effect that your intent is to vote. I will treat FOSes as votes with respect to claiming and so on and if I reach what would be lynch it's easy enough for you convert to votes at that point.
(DYH> Your vote doesn't matter now, but for avoidance of confusion please could you change it to a FOS or just unvote?)
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My knowledge is not part of my role. It was given to me by a third party in a manner that makes it very clear that it's true. Whoever gave it to me picked the perfect person, because I can put myself on the line without any risk.
As for why I came out so early, I guess I just get impatient easily, especially when my survival makes no difference to my ability to play the game.
I'll agree that BT's willingness to follow could be scummy, depending. I'll wait for him to respond before I say anything.
I'm not sure if I like "impatience" as an excuse to try to cut day 1 to less than a couple pages of posts.
Anyhow: would you be up for a plan that includes inspecting/vigging you before we lynch Xyre? Not necessarily tonight, either, just sometime before we trust your information.
Why am I willing to follow the plan? First, CP knows something the rest of us don't. I don't know if this is from an investigation or from an outside source or what, but it doesn't matter.
CP knows two things the rest of us don't. Xyre's alignment (well, supposedly, anyways), and his own alignment. I would expect that you'd like some reason to believe he's town before believing that Xyre is scum.
The only situation I can see that CP is lying and pulling a gambit for himself is if he's a neutral that involves getting the town to lynch the mod to win. That seems incredibly silly to me.
Considering that Xyre has experimented with Jesters in the past, I could see it possible that he's trying out a lyncher (which is what you described). I wouldn't normally even suspect such a role, but CP coming out within 20 posts declaring to be 100% sure of Xyre's scumminess is somewhat disconcerting.
Lynching a survivor that you seem to suspect of being a survivor (aka not scum false claiming) is not a perfectly fine day 1 lynch - it doesn't give us anything.
Here's the issue with each, and every single survivor role: You cant trust them, regardless of what abilities they possess. Look at 24 mafia, the Evan Alder role; he was a survivor of sorts; in so much that his primary goal was to survive and didn't count for the mafia win conditions, but was so incredibly anti-town it was ridiculous.
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@Bate: Understood I think.
@CP: Agreed with...whoever it was that disagreed with your choice. I don't think that'll be happening until the town has some sort of a behavioral background to analyze with you.
@UD: Well... honestly, i dont quite know WHAT to make of you, but i dont like HOW you did it, or anything you've said so far, it seems like you're being ridiculously evasive, slowly adding a piece of tiny info each time instead of just coming out and stating it. This feels scummy to me.
Unvote, Vote Urban Druid
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1. FOS means Finger of Suspicion (like so: FOS Xyre). Because the mod’s a nice guy, he will keep track of these in addition to votes. Note that this may have unintended consequences.
2. When a player needs to be replaced, rather than take the first person off the list, the mod will instead contact all players, and the first to respond will replace in.
3. Players on the replacement list may be the target of abilities.
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This is all Loran's fault for not being in the game.
Frankly, I wasn't expecting votes to be a random problem, only FoSes by my inference from above.
Also, from the special rules, it seems like Cyan and Tilde are town. Clearly the latter couldn't replace just anyone at this point if Cyan was scum and Tilde has seen his role PM, assuming that was a real "replacement" effect.
And lastly, the fact that replacements can be voted isn't shocking since the rules state they can be targeted by abilities, too.
I'm waiting for UD to come back into the thread before posting opinions on him. For now I'll just say that he is most definitely on my radar.
On CP / Xyre: I'm with bateleur on this one. CP has not provided us with enough information to lynch Xyre just on his say-so. I always hate it when someone comes out with "I know fact X, just trust me on it, you can lynch me if I'm wrong." There are too many ways that that can go awry. In this case, I want to know how he's so sure that he can trust this source of his. I also don't see a need to rush into it. We still have players who haven't made their first post in the thread. I'm not sure why you didn't hold onto the information longer.
Also, from the special rules, it seems like Cyan and Tilde are town. Clearly the latter couldn't replace just anyone at this point if Cyan was scum and Tilde has seen his role PM, assuming that was a real "replacement" effect.
How can Tilde replace in for anyone after having seen Cyan's role PM? As far as I'm concerned, that happening - replacing in and out, Tilde still on the replacement list, and Cyan not commenting on it - indicates that Cyan used an ability of some kind.
Bear in mind that ~Tilde~ has yet to post to the thread. Until he does I don't think we can accurately interpret this "replacement". (The usual meaning clearly doesn't apply, since Cyan is not absent.)
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Bear in mind that ~Tilde~ has yet to post to the thread. Until he does I don't think we can accurately interpret this "replacement". (The usual meaning clearly doesn't apply, since Cyan is not absent.)
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean that we should wait for him to turn up. What I meant is that where Xyre writes "replaces" we shouldn't assume this implies all the things which we normally understand by it in the context of a Mafia game.
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Claiming early blows, man. You coulda just said something like "hey dudes, totally don't vote me" and we'd all be groovy. Also, all the ******** about "I'm not riiiiiding any wagons" is useless, pointless, and just plain stupid man. Unless you're trying to claim neutral, which would be absolutely fricking genius.
Are you actually a good player? I'm thinking hella-no right now.
I'll trust you as far as I can fricking throw you, CP, (and that's not very far right now) unless you can tell us more.
Can someone nail the fricking room down, the spinning makes it hard to think. Colors are pretty though.
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I've already stated that I'm not a survivor. Cyan has already started posting misreps in this regard.
This calls for a vote: Cyan
I used the my ability last night. I gave someone 1 shot Warden.
I expected to not use the ability and clear my name tonight, and thus have the rest of the nights to use my ability without worry, or die. Yes its a gambit. But the role was very specific in that it will not be usable should my reputation be tarnished that day. (vote/fos)
I posted that list to support my role claim. I can disregard it at any time. That list is in no way a post-restriction.
well that tells quite a bit. only things that are in the game can be voted.
about CP's plan: I only voted for him because it was random phase, and for the lulz. Unvote since we're into serious business.
UD seriously messed up with his bit, making me think he's either mis-reading his role or flat-out lying. Plus his willingness to actively not help the town? Vote UD.
Xyre KNOWS not to run another jester, so I'm eliminating that option.
if he was a survivor and claimed it in his first post (which I almost expected to see after reading his list), he would have likely been fine. what he did was just...*shakes head*
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EBWODP: so let me get this straight: you gift out 1-shot abilities if no one voted or FoS'd you. These likely aren't the only abilities the town has, which is what I think several of us originally thought you were implying.
by "warden" I assume you mean "RB a player and protect them from kills" right?
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Let's put it this way: I have no idea what his alignment might be, but the Vote/FOS vulnerability and his claim seems very much in keeping with what little I know of the game so far. Combine this with the fact that he'll be a high priority target for the scums and I'm reluctant to go after him in the near future. He claims to be able to investigate if left alone? Then let's leave him untouched tomorrow and guide his investigation for him.
I don't like this plan at all because if he is scum he can always lie about his investigation result. It gains us nothing, but gains him a couple of days to use whatever benefit to his potential scum group that he can.
If UD is a townie with an itchy trigger finger, he just handled that in one of the worst ways possible with his role. If I were in charge of that role, I (as several others have indicated) would have handled it like Niv did in 1001N (greatest game EVAR btw ).
I'm amused by carrion pigeons. Chance of my going along with his plan based on current information: 0.00% If that's some kind of gambit it's one of the saddest attempts ever.
The biggest problem I have with this plan is it essentially gives us no new public information tomorrow.
As for Cyan's behavior in all of this, I don't see it any different than how Cyan usually is.
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You are forgiven. The chance to get your one-shot vig, one shot-doc or one-shot cop ability has already passed with the votes against me.
So, why don't you tell us what we were supposed to think when you said 'not to expect' opinions from you. Hurry and backpedal some more.
Honestly, this is such a farce.
30+ games spanning 3 years of play... with a 2 year hiatus.
Nothing you have said seems right to me
Backpedaling is for people who have posted things they no longer think they should have posted.
thats because the role is unique to this game. Its rather hard to explain.
He points at a few journalists on the building across the street, using electromagnetic equipment to scale the building. One of them was busy snapping pictures in through the broken window. RobRoy panics and pulls his head back. "Do you think they saw me?"
The nameless man sighs, and walks over to the potted plant in the corner, from which he withdraws an AK-47. Several of you gawk in fearful amazement. "Step aside", he mutters. Leaning out the broken window, he shoots off a few rounds at the men across the street, but they are too far away. With a groan, the nameless man drags the potted plant toward the broken window, which obscures the view sufficiently. "I suppose we should expect more of that. Be prepared."
"For what?" Cyan asks, nervously. The man doesn't respond, but rather returns to his chair in the corner, the gun leaned against his shoulder.
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(12 to lynch)
Cyan - 3 (StormBlind, RobRoy, Urban Druid)
Sutherlands - 1 (Jobie)
bateleur - 1 (Disrupt_Your_Hymn)
Charm_Master3125 - 1 (jerubbaal)
UrbanDruid - 4 (Cyan, Sutherlands, GiftsTrix, Pale Mage)
Tilde - 1 (andelijah)
Xyre - 2 (carrion pigeons, Charm_Master3125)
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Urban Druid: with your experience, you should have realized what the response to you making your first post was going to be - disbelief. If you wanted us to not vote/FOS you, you needed to be much more explicit about what would happen if we did. So why did you keep it vague and hide it in a post that was mostly fluff?
Voting UD because he said we shouldn't Vote or FOS him is stupid.
We already have a much better target on Day 1 then a player who is very likely a neutral without a kill: Xyre.
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First, if he's town, he should know better than to try crap like that with a real role. He uses proper terminology so I'm assuming there is experience there.
If he's scum, well, he should know better than to try crap like that with a fake role. He uses proper terminology so I'm assuming there is experience there.
I'm so confused. Action says noob, words say otherwise. Experience DEFINITELY matters here. Questioning his motive just leads me to WIFOM road. I don't think he's scum unless he's a noob, then I have to say its null.
Also, I think this is going to be a really fun game. =]
What is your theory on Xyre
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One problem with this: by getting your ability out in the open, you're insuring that if we ever do catch a scum, all they have to do is vote for you to keep us from getting whatever ability it is.
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The idea of trying to lynch the Mod, after Xyre's other games, doesn't seem like a good one to me. I've learned from that mistake.
I can personally guarantee that an attempt to lynch the mod in this game game will go over a lot better than it did in Blood Moon. I'll take full responsibility for the lynch.
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If UD is town, he's probably dead at night.
If he is scum, it an incredibly poor gambit, esp with calling all the attention to himself while saying he will NOT work towards many pro-town goals.
If he is neutral, he prolly has (at least IMO, from his description of his powers) something that benefits the town, which would lead to his NKing.
I'm leaning towards a poor scum gambit here. Just gut instinct. However, I don't want to lean on my instinct, or let it guide my decisions, so I'll FoS Urban Druid
Finally, Apparently the votes on Xyre are showing up. Interesting. I have always had that thought in the back of my head, in every game, what happens when the mod dies? I am not opposed to CP's plan at all, but I don't know CP's motives. I also don't understand why CP is so sure that lynching Xyre is a good thing. I do like that he is willing to take full responsibility for the lynch. For now though, I would prefer to simply lynch players. Besides, how do you find the scumtells of the mod?
You don't. You just lynch them on the basis of the guy who claims role information.
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Good, then lynching UD isn't a good option for you. You'll be wanting to kill off Xyre.
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That statement is laughable. Full responsibility meaning..what, exactly? That if we lynch him, and it accomplishes absolutely nothing, then what happens tomorrow? Absolutely nothing, except that we wasted a day. If the Mod can be lynched, which is greatly unlikely, then, he can be lynched some time when it is more opportune/we have more to gain from it.
Besides, in a Xyre game, you could easily be a neutral whose whole mission is to get the town to lynch the Mod. You win and then we keep going. Except that we wasted a day. I'll pass on that for now.
@BigTime: The only way that UD is getting NKed is A)if he's Vigged or B)if he ends up getting investigated as town. The problem is that, if there is no way to Vig him/he has some kind of protection, him NOT getting NKed will only make him appear more pro-town, regardless of whether this is the case. Hey, if UD gets run up to claim range and wants to provide us some kind of concrete claim/information, then it can be evaluated accordingly. But, based upon what he's posted so far, his behavior has been completely and utterly anti-town.
Niv also disclaimed his 'Don't vote me' with a logical reason to not do so, and with a statement that was easily proven at any point that the town wanted to do so. Besides, there is a hugely different aspect to '2 votes lynches me' and 'any vote on me and I can't do anything for the night'. So..what then? Any time that the scum want to prevent him from being useful, they'll just throw a vote on him. I mean..honestly.
As for this 'neutral without a kill' talk...please. The only person to ever really successfully make that argument was Azrael, and he was a scum type of neutral at the time. And anyway, UD has claimed to be town anyway, so either A)that argument is invalid and you shouldn't be using it or B)you think that UD is a liar, and clearly should be voting him accordingly for such, on top of everything else.
Lynching a survivor that you seem to suspect of being a survivor (aka not scum false claiming) is not a perfectly fine day 1 lynch - it doesn't give us anything.
So you're claiming Xyre is scum? ...And that you know its Xyre who you have information (aka, it didn't randomly redirct to another player)?
And I find it annoying that we can lynch (or at least vote) replacements. Unvote
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Paragraph 1 is you being scummy, by ignoring my claim of knowing who the scum is.
Paragraph 2 is you being scummy by fearmongering.
If you want to hold me accountable for the lynch, let me do this. If Xyre isn't scum, vig me tonight. Don't give me a chance to defend myself, or anything else. I will die, and that will be that.
Heck, if you have to, lynch me today and kill Xyre tonight. Just get Xyre dead, because I know he's scum.
My vote counts after I die, so the town won't have to risk anything, except my brilliant analysis. Vigging me won't lose the town anything; lynching me won't lose the town anything but a day. And in both cases I'll be confirmed as a townie vote.
I know that Xyre is scum. Lynch him now.
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BT's willingness to follow the plan just because CP is willing take all the blame bothers me.
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My knowledge is not part of my role. It was given to me by a third party in a manner that makes it very clear that it's true. Whoever gave it to me picked the perfect person, because I can put myself on the line without any risk.
As for why I came out so early, I guess I just get impatient easily, especially when my survival makes no difference to my ability to play the game.
I'll agree that BT's willingness to follow could be scummy, depending. I'll wait for him to respond before I say anything.
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CP's willingness to put himself on the line for this information makes me trust the plan a little more. Without that willingness, it could easily be nothing more than a stupid gamble. With CP putting himself at risk, it makes me think that this is less of a gamble and more of CP actually knowing something. I was incredibly suspicious of CP's proposal at first, but I feel a little safer with this.
The only situation I can see that CP is lying and pulling a gambit for himself is if he's a neutral that involves getting the town to lynch the mod to win. That seems incredibly silly to me.
Unless Pale Mage is right, I feel fine with CP's plan.
Well, good morning everyone. This... I did not expect.
You see, I was going to log on and quickly warn everyone not to vote for me. Predictably someone already has (not Disrupt_Your_Hymn's fault, someone was bound to), but fortunately only the one. Still, very interesting in the context of Urban Druid.
Let's put it this way: I have no idea what his alignment might be, but the Vote/FOS vulnerability and his claim seems very much in keeping with what little I know of the game so far. Combine this with the fact that he'll be a high priority target for the scums and I'm reluctant to go after him in the near future. He claims to be able to investigate if left alone? Then let's leave him untouched tomorrow and guide his investigation for him.
I'm amused by carrion pigeons. Chance of my going along with his plan based on current information: 0.00% If that's some kind of gambit it's one of the saddest attempts ever.
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(DYH> Your vote doesn't matter now, but for avoidance of confusion please could you change it to a FOS or just unvote?)
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Anyhow: would you be up for a plan that includes inspecting/vigging you before we lynch Xyre? Not necessarily tonight, either, just sometime before we trust your information.
CP knows two things the rest of us don't. Xyre's alignment (well, supposedly, anyways), and his own alignment. I would expect that you'd like some reason to believe he's town before believing that Xyre is scum.
Considering that Xyre has experimented with Jesters in the past, I could see it possible that he's trying out a lyncher (which is what you described). I wouldn't normally even suspect such a role, but CP coming out within 20 posts declaring to be 100% sure of Xyre's scumminess is somewhat disconcerting.
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Here's the issue with each, and every single survivor role: You cant trust them, regardless of what abilities they possess. Look at 24 mafia, the Evan Alder role; he was a survivor of sorts; in so much that his primary goal was to survive and didn't count for the mafia win conditions, but was so incredibly anti-town it was ridiculous.
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@Bate: Understood I think.
@CP: Agreed with...whoever it was that disagreed with your choice. I don't think that'll be happening until the town has some sort of a behavioral background to analyze with you.
@UD: Well... honestly, i dont quite know WHAT to make of you, but i dont like HOW you did it, or anything you've said so far, it seems like you're being ridiculously evasive, slowly adding a piece of tiny info each time instead of just coming out and stating it. This feels scummy to me.
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This is all Loran's fault for not being in the game.
Frankly, I wasn't expecting votes to be a random problem, only FoSes by my inference from above.
Also, from the special rules, it seems like Cyan and Tilde are town. Clearly the latter couldn't replace just anyone at this point if Cyan was scum and Tilde has seen his role PM, assuming that was a real "replacement" effect.
And lastly, the fact that replacements can be voted isn't shocking since the rules state they can be targeted by abilities, too.
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On CP / Xyre: I'm with bateleur on this one. CP has not provided us with enough information to lynch Xyre just on his say-so. I always hate it when someone comes out with "I know fact X, just trust me on it, you can lynch me if I'm wrong." There are too many ways that that can go awry. In this case, I want to know how he's so sure that he can trust this source of his. I also don't see a need to rush into it. We still have players who haven't made their first post in the thread. I'm not sure why you didn't hold onto the information longer.
How can Tilde replace in for anyone after having seen Cyan's role PM? As far as I'm concerned, that happening - replacing in and out, Tilde still on the replacement list, and Cyan not commenting on it - indicates that Cyan used an ability of some kind.
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Tilde replaces Cyan as of post 5
Cyan replaces Tilde as of post 6
Do not wait for Tilde to post in this thread
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Are you actually a good player? I'm thinking hella-no right now.
I'll trust you as far as I can fricking throw you, CP, (and that's not very far right now) unless you can tell us more.
Can someone nail the fricking room down, the spinning makes it hard to think. Colors are pretty though.
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Cyan - 2 (RobRoy, Urban Druid)
Sutherlands - 1 (Jobie)
Charm_Master3125 - 1 (jerubbaal)
UrbanDruid - 4 (Cyan, Sutherlands, GiftsTrix, StormBlind)
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Because it was initially an omgus.
I've already stated that I'm not a survivor. Cyan has already started posting misreps in this regard.
This calls for a vote: Cyan
I used the my ability last night. I gave someone 1 shot Warden.
I expected to not use the ability and clear my name tonight, and thus have the rest of the nights to use my ability without worry, or die. Yes its a gambit. But the role was very specific in that it will not be usable should my reputation be tarnished that day. (vote/fos)
I posted that list to support my role claim. I can disregard it at any time. That list is in no way a post-restriction.
about CP's plan: I only voted for him because it was random phase, and for the lulz. Unvote since we're into serious business.
UD seriously messed up with his bit, making me think he's either mis-reading his role or flat-out lying. Plus his willingness to actively not help the town? Vote UD.
Xyre KNOWS not to run another jester, so I'm eliminating that option.
if he was a survivor and claimed it in his first post (which I almost expected to see after reading his list), he would have likely been fine. what he did was just...*shakes head*
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by "warden" I assume you mean "RB a player and protect them from kills" right?
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I don't like this plan at all because if he is scum he can always lie about his investigation result. It gains us nothing, but gains him a couple of days to use whatever benefit to his potential scum group that he can.
If UD is a townie with an itchy trigger finger, he just handled that in one of the worst ways possible with his role. If I were in charge of that role, I (as several others have indicated) would have handled it like Niv did in 1001N (greatest game EVAR btw ).
The biggest problem I have with this plan is it essentially gives us no new public information tomorrow.
As for Cyan's behavior in all of this, I don't see it any different than how Cyan usually is.