Fade would you mind explaining this. Why can't a process of elimination be used to dettermine the sanity of the cops?
Because the setup is not known. We can't assume an equal distribution (as in Dethy or Groza Classic) because we don't know that that's what we're working with.
I wasn't posting because I went to a conference for 2 days. Nice to see I haven't missed much, though. I, also, would like Pod to say something, as opposed to "hi."
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Because it isn't a case. It's just a gut feeling. You don't wagon based on gut feelings, even if you can't find a better place for your vote.
So to clarify: you are avoiding the question about where Alx was eager to get other possible cops to claim, even though that's one of two reasons (plus a vague instinct) you are voting him, because you don't want other people to start a wagon based on that? I agree that such gut instincts aren't a valid basis for a lynch. But why are they any more valid as the basis for a vote?
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We have what, 10 days left to get a lynch going, or we are stuck with a No Lynch.
Given the upcoming holidays, we are likely to have little participation from several people in the US soon (I know I will have spotty internet access this Thursday, Friday and Saturday). We have to get something figured out (relatively) quickly. I don't mean we should rush a lynch, but we can't go days with post counts like this...
First of all, it's a mini, and it's a holiday weekend. Give people a break. We'll come to a lynch.
Second of all, I basically always have my vote on someone. It's just how I play, especially when we have a limited number of players we could seriously be voting, like today. Granted, if the game would speed up, it would be easier to get a read on him, but that's true of everyone, and in the meantime, I see no particular reason to have my vote be nowhere.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
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CP: Just for the record, you're saying that you can't show us anything as to why you said "he's been a little eager to get more cops to counterclaim."?
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What do you guys think about hypocop? Should we try something like this?
Hypothetical Cop, or hypocop for short is a means of getting night investigation results out in the open without having the actual cop stepping forward.
The basic premise of this is this: all of the players state a name of a player (not themselves) and a result.
After 48 or so hours, every single person in the game will have given a name and a result. We do this every day.
Now the majority of these results will be made up, except for the real cop(s), who submitted their actual investigations.
Now if the cop dies unexpectedly, we can go back in our list and see his investigations. If we're lucky, we'd get a couple of confirmed innocents. Worst case scenario, everybody he investigated is already dead and we haven't lost anything.
It has its merits. In a normal setup, I'd actually say no, since it helps the mafia determine who the cop actually is. They know all the results, so they can remove everyone who gives a bad inspection result from the list of possible cops until they narrow it down enough to guess correctly.
In this scenario, that wouldn't necessarily happen since the sanity is not necessarily true, so the mafia wouldn't be able to determine who possible cops are.
@YT: The mafia wouldn't just off those cops, at least not in this setup. I also don't see it as allowing a mafia to claim cop.
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That actually seems like a good idea. I support this.
The scum killing cops who investigate them as guilty just draw suspicion to themselves, so there's a significant benefit even then; perhaps even more so than the cop just claiming and stating his result, considering the possible sanity issues involved.
Also, if anyone wants to claim cop later on, they will have had to be right, wrong, or innocent/guilty on every investigation they'd given up to that point, which really limits the use a falseclaimer could get out of it, and anyway, people can (and likely will) be falseclaiming cop in this game anyway.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
The scum killing cops who investigate them as guilty just draw suspicion to themselves, so there's a significant benefit even then; perhaps even more so than the cop just claiming and stating his result, considering the possible sanity issues involved.
Well, as I said, there's no reason to do this in this game, since no one knows the sanities. In a regular game, you have to weigh more investigations (the mafia will figure out who the cop is much sooner) against guaranteed investigations if the cop dies.
Also, if anyone wants to claim cop later on, they will have had to be right, wrong, or innocent/guilty on every investigation they'd given up to that point, which really limits the use a falseclaimer could get out of it, and anyway, people can (and likely will) be falseclaiming cop in this game anyway.
It's very easy for the scum to be right or wrong on every investigation considering they know who the mafia are.
But yeah, I support the idea.
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It's very easy for the scum to be right or wrong on every investigation considering they know who the mafia are.
Yes, but being right or wrong all the time doesn't prove anything. The only advantage to this would be to sow misdirection of some kind, which will be inherently impossible.
@YuanTi: WIFOM is only an issue if the person was already under suspicion in the first place.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
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I'm not sure about hypocop. In a typical game, it's a bad plan - though if any game had a chance of it being helpful, this one might be it. Still, even though it ensures all cop information gets out, we can't treat all of the results as 100% reliable (meaning at least consistent with sane, insane, naive, or paranoid).
I believe hypocop would be acceptable, though not necessarily the best play. And I really have to caution against putting too much faith in the results. Given the apparent setup, our lynches should be based primarily on behavior, not cop inspections (unless we can eventually find a guaranteed sane cop).
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Well, I think this plan gives the mafia all the hidden information they could possibly want and allow them to figure out the entire setup in a couple of days, making it easy to kill off any reliable cops we may actually have.
That said, our reliable cops' results can't be trusted right now anyway, with all the sanity issues, and it would be good to know investigation results for cops that die in case it helps us find a reliable one somehow.
The timing of this suggestion is also extremely unfortunate. Do we really have time to
debate the merits of this plan, then do it, and then build and debate a wagon adequately as well?
CP, if you've been suspicious of Alx2 for trying to get cops to claim, and have been finding him suspicious enough to vote, why are you now championing a plan like this from him that puts all our information out in the open?
Alx2 is the one that suggested it, not CP. This plan WAS going forth because it DOESN'T get all our information out in the open. Namely, who the cop is.
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CP, if you've been suspicious of Alx2 for trying to get cops to claim, and have been finding him suspicious enough to vote, why are you now championing a plan like this from him that puts all our information out in the open?
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I know that Alx2 suggested the plan. The plan has tradeoffs (out all the town's hidden info to the mafia, but make that knowledge to the town as well). I am most suspicious of how CP has not only gone along with the plan, but seems to be pushing for it. Alx2 asked if we should try it, CP said YES! YES! YES! and ran with it, even though he is supposedly suspicious of Alx right now, and this plan seems to benefit scum more than the town.
The end result of this will be (as far as I can tell):
Mafia: has all investigation results from town cops. Can likely deduce entire setup given time.
Town: has all investigation results from top cops, but also has fake results from mafia that match up perfectly with actual alignments. Impossible to distinguish between town and mafia.
This gives mafia the opportunity to pick off those cops who seem to be giving results that could reveal anyone. I don't really want to give them that kind of leg up when there is so much confusion already.
1) The mafia wouldn't have known who the cops were.
2) The town would have cop results if one of them had died.
3) The town ignores the results until a cop DOES die.
4) The mafia wouldn't be able to pick out the (most likely) 1 cop that was left because they don't know the sanity of that last cop.
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1) The mafia wouldn't have known who the cops were.
2) The town would have cop results if one of them had died.
3) The town ignores the results until a cop DOES die.
4) The mafia wouldn't be able to pick out the (most likely) 1 cop that was left because they don't know the sanity of that last cop.
So you are assuming we have 4 cops (you, Cyan, Jobie, and Wuffles)?
I know that Alx2 suggested the plan. The plan has tradeoffs (out all the town's hidden info to the mafia, but make that knowledge to the town as well). I am most suspicious of how CP has not only gone along with the plan, but seems to be pushing for it. Alx2 asked if we should try it, CP said YES! YES! YES! and ran with it, even though he is supposedly suspicious of Alx right now, and this plan seems to benefit scum more than the town.
The end result of this will be (as far as I can tell):
Mafia: has all investigation results from town cops. Can likely deduce entire setup given time.
Town: has all investigation results from top cops, but also has fake results from mafia that match up perfectly with actual alignments. Impossible to distinguish between town and mafia.
This gives mafia the opportunity to pick off those cops who seem to be giving results that could reveal anyone. I don't really want to give them that kind of leg up when there is so much confusion already.
This argument is complete bullcrap, dude. First of all, I am allowed to support a good plan, even if it comes from a source I find suspicious. That argument is so idiotic I can't even comprehend how you think it's worth putting up.
Second of all, cop investigations are beneficial to the town to have in the open, sanity issues or not. Cop identities are what matters to keep hidden, and this plan firmly denies the mafia that information. We aren't outing any information that ought to stay hidden.
Third of all, the cop investigations are of no use to anyone until people start dying. Saying the mafia can deduce the entire setup is pure fearmongering on your part, unless you want to actually explain how it might be possible.
Fourth of all, cop investigations that don't come out at all are of no use to the town under any circumstances. This plan actively prevents the town from missing out on results that may end up being important.
This plan cannot help the mafia more than the town. If the mafia determine, say, the identity of the sane cop, before the town does, then they can't kill him because then those investigations will be known to be accurate. They can only kill him once the town figures out who he is, at which point the town will have already gotten multiple accurate investigations from him, a benefit which the mafia cannot counter just by killing him.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
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That actually... makes a lot of sense. I hadn't thought about how they wouldn't be able to kill a sane cop with guilty results because that in itself would incriminate them. I can support this plan. Given the benefits, I can see why you'd have supported this, no matter who it came from. Unvote.
Can we get another modprod Pod, or get him replaced? He last posted 5 days ago, but only posted so he wouldn't be replaced. This is really not cool under a deadline.
And Wuffles, it'd be nice if you did more than show up, state the obvious, and not add anything to the game at all. Why on EARTH did you full claim?
Does anyone think that with 3 hypothetical results on Hawkeye7, we should lynch him because it will give us the most potential cop information? I think that would at least help more than a no-lynch at least.
No, I think that's an absolutely horrible idea, considering most of the people who are claiming results are probably NOT cops. Between that horrible plan, and the plan of voting CP because of they hypocop thing, you're acting pretty scummy. Vote DragonDart.
It probably won't go anywhere with little time left, and I'd be surprised if it did because that would be a fast growth, but I'm voting him anyway. The other vote I would be willing to put down is Pod. He seems to lurk beyond recognition when he's scum so that he stays out of the radar. (See DotA) (It would also be funny to lynch loran right when he gets into the thread, heehee!)
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I think "most" of those people could very well be cops, or I wouldn't have suggested it at all. Granted, you are one of 4 already claimed cops. I see at least 4 other people that I strongly suspect to be cops as well, based on their behavior and reactions to cop claims. I think the only way we can get real confirmation that a cop is sane is if people they have investigated show up dead, so we can compare the results. Thus, Hawkeye7 kills 3 birds with one stone. Oh, or if cops show up dead, and we see their alignment, and have a more solid basis on which to evaluate their results. So... we should just go on behavior and if cops die along the way, make use of their info when we can determine if it is reliable or not... sigh... Which means... yeah, I should have thought that through more thoroughly. I'm really not a great analyst, and this setup has me really really confused as to what to do next. It seemed at the time like getting info from Hawkeye's death would be helpful. A no-lynch may help us build up a critical mass of investigation results. But without knowing the full setup, it will be difficult at best to trust any of them. If nobody talks, we're getting a no lynch. I thought we wanted to avoid that (and nobody has set forth any reason that we shouldn't avoid it), so I was trying to think of something we could do that might be helpful. It actually probably wouldn't be much more helpful. If people want a no lynch, then they should SAY SO instead of sitting around doing nothing, waiting for it to happen. Everyone: what are the benefits of a no-lynch right now? Why does nobody have a case on anyone? Do we default to Sutherlands (I would disagree)? I also think now that Pod is being replaced, it'd be really unfair to loran16 to lynch him immediately (even if Pod does tend to lurk when he's scum). Hopefully we hear something from loran before the deadline (and RSD and Jobie would be nice to hear from too, while we're at it).
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Also, vote Dragondart, obv. His idea of lynching HE7 for the cop results would make some sense if those were actual cop results! However, of the 3 players in question, only Cyan is actually a claimed cop. DD's quick acceptance of myself and CP being cops (rather then hypothetical cops or just scums) is a mark of scummy external knowledge.
Also, vote Dragondart, obv. His idea of lynching HE7 for the cop results would make some sense if those were actual cop results! However, of the 3 players in question, only Cyan is actually a claimed cop. DD's quick acceptance of myself and CP being cops (rather then hypothetical cops or just scums) is a mark of scummy external knowledge.
Do you want me to quote the numerous places where you have made it abundantly obvious that you are a cop with a scum result on HE7?
Do you want me to quote the numerous places where you have made it abundantly obvious that you are a cop with a scum result on HE7?
Well, now that it's out, I'll vote YES on the proposal. I want you to. I find it interesting that cp said earlier that my behavior rules me out as a cop, and now you're saying it's "abundantly obvious" I am one.
Anyhow, ive been reading along and am only a few posts behind, but i see we're giving our results:
So: Jobie=town.
I gotta go do errands for my mom right now (ah the joys of being home) but ill check in later tonight.
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Well, now that it's out, I'll vote YES on the proposal. I want you to. I find it interesting that cp said earlier that my behavior rules me out as a cop, and now you're saying it's "abundantly obvious" I am one.
Did you think you were being subtle? Here you go, since you asked:
I refuse to barn anyone, even if it's to wagon Cyan. I demand that everyone barn me!
fadeblue's slight overreaction at someone having a couple of votes is noted.
Suggests (jokingly) that others should barn him. As the cop, this is less than a joke, and this is a way to drop that hint.
Interesting, two cop claims already. Jobie, Cyan, is there any flavor to indicate possible sanity issues?
Asking immediately for clarification on sanity issues. I think a cop would be more likely to ask about sanity issues than another townie role (which would likely first think that one of those claiming is lying).
As for a claim, I'm Horatio Caine from CSI: Miami. When I put on my sunglasses, affectionately known as my 'Justice Shades', I'm able to look at a person and tell what their alignment is.
I don't want to get too hung up on the sunglasses thing, but clearly we have sanity issues here, unless one out of Cyan/Jobie is as ballsy as he's stupid. Multiple sane cops in a mini are impossible.
I suggest we don't follow neither Jobie's investigation nor Cyan's counterclaim blindly, and try to play out the rest of the day using normal mafia strategies. unvote, btw.
Further talk of sanity and sunglasses. Gives good suggestion that we follow "normal mafia strategies" instead of getting bogged down in cop investigations.
A bit too eager to lynch under false premises there.
1. "I'm town"
2. "Because of that, Jobie can be trusted"
3. "Because Jobie can be trusted, so can Cyan"
Not only is 1 not a given, there is no logical connection between 1 and 2, and there's no connection between 2 and 3. re-vote Hawkeye7 for horrible logic.
Do tell.
And then, if it wasn't obvious enough already, Alx's first real push against anyone is against... HE7. Shocking.
You've been extremely obvious about this for anyone paying attention to you. It's unfortunate that you didn't realize this, because I wouldn't have brought it up (and had avoided doing so for obvious reasons).
So, CP, how exactly did you come to the conclusion that Alx2's reactions preclude him from being a cop? I'd be interested to hear this at this point, especially since you've avoided answering for a while.
If this new information is going to be "oh, I was just checking for reactions", I'm not going to like it.
Here Alx is posting as though he expects Jobie to claim cop. If Alx is a cop, he has no reason to think that way.
that suggested the opposite, but most of them are rendered void by recognizing the theme of Alx's posts against HE7.
That actually makes me feel quite a bit better about Alx. Obviously.
Sigh, that means there are at least 6 cops in the game. However, the only claim I don't have a particular reason to think is genuine is Wuffles'. (Yes, I'm a cop too. Surprise, surprise. Olivia Benson.)
As such, DD's suggestion to lynch HE7 is not actually so bad, though I did get innocent on him. I'm willing to go this direction if we don't want to lynch loran.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
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Because the setup is not known. We can't assume an equal distribution (as in Dethy or Groza Classic) because we don't know that that's what we're working with.
Will not have time to post anything groundbreaking during that time.
Damn, you all must be so busy!
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Why is no one else posting?
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So to clarify: you are avoiding the question about where Alx was eager to get other possible cops to claim, even though that's one of two reasons (plus a vague instinct) you are voting him, because you don't want other people to start a wagon based on that? I agree that such gut instincts aren't a valid basis for a lynch. But why are they any more valid as the basis for a vote?
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We have what, 10 days left to get a lynch going, or we are stuck with a No Lynch.
Given the upcoming holidays, we are likely to have little participation from several people in the US soon (I know I will have spotty internet access this Thursday, Friday and Saturday). We have to get something figured out (relatively) quickly. I don't mean we should rush a lynch, but we can't go days with post counts like this...
Second of all, I basically always have my vote on someone. It's just how I play, especially when we have a limited number of players we could seriously be voting, like today. Granted, if the game would speed up, it would be easier to get a read on him, but that's true of everyone, and in the meantime, I see no particular reason to have my vote be nowhere.
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In this scenario, that wouldn't necessarily happen since the sanity is not necessarily true, so the mafia wouldn't be able to determine who possible cops are.
@YT: The mafia wouldn't just off those cops, at least not in this setup. I also don't see it as allowing a mafia to claim cop.
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The scum killing cops who investigate them as guilty just draw suspicion to themselves, so there's a significant benefit even then; perhaps even more so than the cop just claiming and stating his result, considering the possible sanity issues involved.
Also, if anyone wants to claim cop later on, they will have had to be right, wrong, or innocent/guilty on every investigation they'd given up to that point, which really limits the use a falseclaimer could get out of it, and anyway, people can (and likely will) be falseclaiming cop in this game anyway.
In fact, I'll start: HE7, innocent.
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It's very easy for the scum to be right or wrong on every investigation considering they know who the mafia are.
But yeah, I support the idea.
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Yes, but being right or wrong all the time doesn't prove anything. The only advantage to this would be to sow misdirection of some kind, which will be inherently impossible.
@YuanTi: WIFOM is only an issue if the person was already under suspicion in the first place.
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I believe hypocop would be acceptable, though not necessarily the best play. And I really have to caution against putting too much faith in the results. Given the apparent setup, our lynches should be based primarily on behavior, not cop inspections (unless we can eventually find a guaranteed sane cop).
This is a worthwhile plan which deserves to be put into action.
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Well, I think this plan gives the mafia all the hidden information they could possibly want and allow them to figure out the entire setup in a couple of days, making it easy to kill off any reliable cops we may actually have.
That said, our reliable cops' results can't be trusted right now anyway, with all the sanity issues, and it would be good to know investigation results for cops that die in case it helps us find a reliable one somehow.
The timing of this suggestion is also extremely unfortunate. Do we really have time to
debate the merits of this plan, then do it, and then build and debate a wagon adequately as well?
CP, if you've been suspicious of Alx2 for trying to get cops to claim, and have been finding him suspicious enough to vote, why are you now championing a plan like this from him that puts all our information out in the open?
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I know that Alx2 suggested the plan. The plan has tradeoffs (out all the town's hidden info to the mafia, but make that knowledge to the town as well). I am most suspicious of how CP has not only gone along with the plan, but seems to be pushing for it. Alx2 asked if we should try it, CP said YES! YES! YES! and ran with it, even though he is supposedly suspicious of Alx right now, and this plan seems to benefit scum more than the town.
The end result of this will be (as far as I can tell):
Mafia: has all investigation results from town cops. Can likely deduce entire setup given time.
Town: has all investigation results from top cops, but also has fake results from mafia that match up perfectly with actual alignments. Impossible to distinguish between town and mafia.
This gives mafia the opportunity to pick off those cops who seem to be giving results that could reveal anyone. I don't really want to give them that kind of leg up when there is so much confusion already.
2) The town would have cop results if one of them had died.
3) The town ignores the results until a cop DOES die.
4) The mafia wouldn't be able to pick out the (most likely) 1 cop that was left because they don't know the sanity of that last cop.
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So you are assuming we have 4 cops (you, Cyan, Jobie, and Wuffles)?
I'm not.
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This argument is complete bullcrap, dude. First of all, I am allowed to support a good plan, even if it comes from a source I find suspicious. That argument is so idiotic I can't even comprehend how you think it's worth putting up.
Second of all, cop investigations are beneficial to the town to have in the open, sanity issues or not. Cop identities are what matters to keep hidden, and this plan firmly denies the mafia that information. We aren't outing any information that ought to stay hidden.
Third of all, the cop investigations are of no use to anyone until people start dying. Saying the mafia can deduce the entire setup is pure fearmongering on your part, unless you want to actually explain how it might be possible.
Fourth of all, cop investigations that don't come out at all are of no use to the town under any circumstances. This plan actively prevents the town from missing out on results that may end up being important.
This plan cannot help the mafia more than the town. If the mafia determine, say, the identity of the sane cop, before the town does, then they can't kill him because then those investigations will be known to be accurate. They can only kill him once the town figures out who he is, at which point the town will have already gotten multiple accurate investigations from him, a benefit which the mafia cannot counter just by killing him.
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Alx2, guilty.
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And Wuffles, it'd be nice if you did more than show up, state the obvious, and not add anything to the game at all. Why on EARTH did you full claim?
Does anyone think that with 3 hypothetical results on Hawkeye7, we should lynch him because it will give us the most potential cop information? I think that would at least help more than a no-lynch at least.
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It probably won't go anywhere with little time left, and I'd be surprised if it did because that would be a fast growth, but I'm voting him anyway. The other vote I would be willing to put down is Pod. He seems to lurk beyond recognition when he's scum so that he stays out of the radar. (See DotA) (It would also be funny to lynch loran right when he gets into the thread, heehee!)
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As far as behavioral tells, I'm not yet sure due to all the confusion around the cop roles, which has probably given scum an opportunity to blend in.
Anyway, for the record (organized in chains):
Jobie: Sutherlands, guilty
Sutherlands: Cyan, guilty
Cyan: Hawkeye7, innocent
carrion pigeons: Hawkeye7, innocent
DragonDart: Alx2, guilty
Alx2: Hawkeye7, guilty
YuanTi: Wuffles_II, innocent
Wuffles_II: fadeblue, innocent
fadeblue: Pod, guilty
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Actual claims:
Cyan -> HE7, innocent
Jobie -> Suth, guilty
Suth -> Cyan, innocent
Wuffles -> fade, innocent
Hypocops:
Alx2 -> HE7, guilty
cp -> HE7, innocent
DD -> Alx2, guilty
Yuan -> Wuffles, innocent
fade -> Loran/Pod, guilty
Nothing yet:
HE7 ??
Pod/Loran ??
RDS ??
Also, vote Dragondart, obv. His idea of lynching HE7 for the cop results would make some sense if those were actual cop results! However, of the 3 players in question, only Cyan is actually a claimed cop. DD's quick acceptance of myself and CP being cops (rather then hypothetical cops or just scums) is a mark of scummy external knowledge.
Hooray! Now I have someone to target tonight!
I decided to recompile all results we've got.
Jobie: Sutherlands = Guilty
Cyan: HE7 = Innocent
Sutherlands: Cyan = Innocent
Wuffles: Fadeblue = Innocent
Alx: HE7 = Guilty
DragonDart: Alx = Guilty
YuanTi: Wuffles = Innocent
CP: HE7 = Innocent
Loran, Fadeblue, HE7 and RDSGD4 are unclaimed.
EWP: Damn you Alx and Fade... I guess Great Minds think a like.
I think HE7 should put out his Hypo Cop info.
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Do you want me to quote the numerous places where you have made it abundantly obvious that you are a cop with a scum result on HE7?
Well, now that it's out, I'll vote YES on the proposal. I want you to. I find it interesting that cp said earlier that my behavior rules me out as a cop, and now you're saying it's "abundantly obvious" I am one.
I'm still curious as to what fade's knowledge of a certain cop is.
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Anyhow, ive been reading along and am only a few posts behind, but i see we're giving our results:
So: Jobie=town.
I gotta go do errands for my mom right now (ah the joys of being home) but ill check in later tonight.
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Did you think you were being subtle? Here you go, since you asked:
Strongly implies this vote is not random. And it's against HE7!
Suggests (jokingly) that others should barn him. As the cop, this is less than a joke, and this is a way to drop that hint.
Asking immediately for clarification on sanity issues. I think a cop would be more likely to ask about sanity issues than another townie role (which would likely first think that one of those claiming is lying).
Cyan claims with innocent result on HE7.
Alx2 throws doubt on reliability of Cyan's claim. With the not-random vote in the random stage, this seems pretty much blatantly obvious.
Further talk of sanity and sunglasses. Gives good suggestion that we follow "normal mafia strategies" instead of getting bogged down in cop investigations.
And then, if it wasn't obvious enough already, Alx's first real push against anyone is against... HE7. Shocking.
You've been extremely obvious about this for anyone paying attention to you. It's unfortunate that you didn't realize this, because I wouldn't have brought it up (and had avoided doing so for obvious reasons).
So, CP, how exactly did you come to the conclusion that Alx2's reactions preclude him from being a cop? I'd be interested to hear this at this point, especially since you've avoided answering for a while.
Here Alx is posting as though he expects Jobie to claim cop. If Alx is a cop, he has no reason to think that way.
that suggested the opposite, but most of them are rendered void by recognizing the theme of Alx's posts against HE7.
That actually makes me feel quite a bit better about Alx. Obviously.
Sigh, that means there are at least 6 cops in the game. However, the only claim I don't have a particular reason to think is genuine is Wuffles'. (Yes, I'm a cop too. Surprise, surprise. Olivia Benson.)
As such, DD's suggestion to lynch HE7 is not actually so bad, though I did get innocent on him. I'm willing to go this direction if we don't want to lynch loran.
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