No daytalk, Alx isn't part of the group. I believe that Dagger asked Axel and I(back before anyone else had been invited) if Alx should be invited and we(or I, at least, having no confidence in Alx's townieness then..or now, really..suggested someone else). I'll leave it to Dagger to reveal his other targets, if he is so inclined.
@Puzzle: Where did Axel say that he doesn't have to interact with other players?
Telling the whole thread what we're discussing privately defeats the purpose of having a private conversation, I think.
Honestly, I think that CP has been so contentious about his multi-vote that it's time to bring him to task on it. He was all too eager to throw it out there really early and let us assume that it was constant, etc. But as soon as it became apparent that he can't just use it constantly, suddenly it's like pulling teeth to get any additional info on it. It doesn't really add up, but maybe it's just me. CP doesn't seem extremely suspect outside of this, but the contrast between his initial action w/ his multi-vote and his attitude regarding it after that strikes me as solidly non-town.
I agree with Cyan. Especially because there seems to be no reason to reveal a multi-vote except to use it (which he hasn't done, save for on Day 1) or to get himself "confirmed".
Dudes, news most heinous... sorry. Let me restart.
I have bad news. I'm leaving for a week starting tomorrow. I was sure the place where I'll be staying had Internet, but upon further investigation, they don't. So access will be sporadic to non-existent.
Also, very interesting news about Dagger running a small (or large?) members-only club. Not at all surprised that Cyan vetoed my invitation.
I particularly interested in Night 3 right now. We are missing a "Cake" RB. We are missing anyone getting flowers. We are missing anyone getting the role-playing Bug. Why are we missing all these things? Everyone couldn't have targeted Pod, could they?
Plus, we have been assuming that the Cake would make said person untargetable, so if the Mafia had sent the Cake to Pod he shouldn't have died, should he?
Does the Cake not prevent kills? It's either that, or the Mafia just chose not to send it, or they gave it to one of their own who didn't claim it, or, possibly, the Cake RB was prevented in some way?
Now that Cyan has spilled the beans on Dagger, I'll just say that the ability doesn't seem especially scummish, but I don't completely discount the possibility. Dagger isn't sending Cake to anyone though, I feel fairly confident saying that.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I think that Grakthis is another good target to look at today. He's been continually dodgy about his role.
Lie. I've volunteered info about my role under no pressure.
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He was hyper-aggressive in attacking me,
And if Axel hadn't claimed, i'd still be voting for you. You're the scumiest townie I've ever seen.
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put in a passive effort, at best, against Loran,
Yeah... Puzzle already tried this argument, then after reading the thread, realized it was wrong. I attack Loran loudly and repeatedly across several days.
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and spent large amounts of time defending atlseal/decrying any suspicion against him, until it was obvious that atlseal was going to be lynched anyway, at which point he had critical evidence against him(from my perspective, he just threw atlseal under the bus).
lolz.
Why don't you ask Abbey and Axelrod how I feel about lynching claimed power roles?
And if you can find one instance where I defended ATL based on anything EXCEPT his standing as a claimed power role, I'll give you a cookie.
Hint: you won't.
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Now, he's being fairly aggressive against Dagger, whom I am fairly certain is town.
You're wrong.
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It seems fairly unlikely that an ability like the one I know Dagger has would be on a scum. At this point, the number of people that Dagger has in group communications is large...a scum having this ability makes no real sense whatsoever, especially considering how the ability was presented to me, by Azrael, before I knew that it was Dagger behind it.
Wait, what?
Dagger claimed an ability, but this is the first I've heard about the nature of that ability.
Grakthis, since you are here, exactly which days did you target Atlseal?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I think the mafia probably targeted one of their own, to prevent an NK or something(for all we know, it may extend into the day and prevent day actions as well). Otherwise, it makes no sense that no one reported receiving cake. Or, the person that normally gives out cake submitted the mafia's NK because their other members needed to do something else?
Well, if we ever find out that the Cake prevent Day abilities the following day then that would mean Grakthis is lying, because he said he targeted Atlseal the day after he got the Cake.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
The Excellent Directory of Names and Claims, wham bam thankyou ma'am
1. Spoon - ?, ?
2. Rafaelk - currently sounding like Ted 'Theodore' Logan, ? (but bogusly vanillafied)
3. Axelrod - John Connor, ? (whatever townie mentor actually MEANS)
4. Hawkeye7 - Truman Capote, cross-dresser (heh heh)
5. Grakthis - ?, claims unknown day and night abilities
6. Alx2 - ?, name cop
7. Abbeygargoyle -?, ?
8. Cyan - T800, double life bodyguard and neutral in denial
9. Xyre - spoon boy with no spoons left
10. ZDS & 11. Vampyr: Joy Tu'Sugars, masons
12. Carrion Pigeons: ?, pretending to be a multivoter
13. Dagger: ?, telephone company. (Hey, Dagger. there's a caller for your party, looking for last name Hugginkiss, first name Amanda?)
14. Puzzle: The Oracle. Rotating roll, now with less vanilla sauce.
Most dudes and babes have given some details or other about their ability. Few dudes or babes have given a name. It's an unusual pattern.
Unclaimed abilities in the game: flowers, cake, roleplaying bug, daykill. Probably a doc too.
Dagger, if you're so worried about the delays I allegedly ask all the time (where did I ask for delays?), why don't you organize a wagon to force me spill everything right now?
You favor a wagon on you?
Also, I meant delays as in the action of kept putting off information for another day.
Forget a re-read. He can't even articulate a SINGLE REASON for thinking Raf is scum other than citing that he's been thinking it for several days.
You may call it intuition or guts. You may also add his softclaim of untargetability, explanation that it was actually a trap, convenience of being targeted by fade on the night fade die, the inconsistency with puzzle's claim of his vanilla reverting, general sense of my reading on his posts, and yes, intuition or guts.
You will also note, he lists me along side Raf in post 2776. He also does one of my favorite tells, which is the "I think X is scum, but then again X can't be scum because of Y." It's hedging. So later no one can pin him down on his position. He can always deny it safely.
I thought you were town in early game. I seriously did. Then those who have played with you before, like AG, Puzzle?, Axel?, etc. etc. (can't remember who else) said you didn't seem particularly act like the town they knew. Add that to the slipperiness of your claim, like what can you actually do? All these are making me more and more suspicious of you. Of course, if the Merovingian really is the scum and he really send you a cake on Day 1, a fact that somehow Alx verified, then logically you can't be scum. Am I wrong? Or are you saying that partially clearing you based on the cake you received is wrong?
In the same post, he tells us he's "Not really sold on Xyre's theory" but again he provides no reason for it. It's like he just wants to post an opinion, but not actually discuss it or argue about it. Who does that? Oh yeah, scum.
What else should I say? Saying how unlikely it is? Others have chirped in. I didn't feel like parroting them. Offer a counter-theory? I have none.
It's worth noting at this point that Dagger is/was apparently involved in a lot of mafia games and other games around the site. Which, IMO, is bad practice because it means he's not really playing any of the games he's in. Which is exactly one of the things I am attacking him for. Which makes it tough for me to figure out if he's scum or just incapable of realizing when he's stretched too thin. So keep that in mind as this progresses.
Yes, I am stretched too thin. I am painfully aware of that. I am taking steps to rectify such a matter though. It's just that it's not my policy to replace out of games. It wouldn't be fair to both the mod and other players. So, I slugged along, and tried my best to increase my posting rate. You may also want to note my posting rate does not depend on the amount of posts others are giving, but on the time I have available each real-life day in which to post. That means that I am usually more active during the weekends.
Well, you have only stated 'jumpiness' as the only point up until post #2847, so your statement of me lying was totally a misrepresentation.
That's also not true. I had stated the lack of content from you as the primary reason I first started voting for you. A fact others noted.
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You may call it intuition or guts. You may also add his softclaim of untargetability, explanation that it was actually a trap, convenience of being targeted by fade on the night fade die, the inconsistency with puzzle's claim of his vanilla reverting, general sense of my reading on his posts, and yes, intuition or guts.
Why didn't YOU call it intuition or guts then?
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I thought you were town in early game. I seriously did. Then those who have played with you before, like AG, Puzzle?, Axel?, etc. etc. (can't remember who else) said you didn't seem particularly act like the town they knew. Add that to the slipperiness of your claim, like what can you actually do? All these are making me more and more suspicious of you. Of course, if the Merovingian really is the scum and he really send you a cake on Day 1, a fact that somehow Alx verified, then logically you can't be scum. Am I wrong? Or are you saying that partially clearing you based on the cake you received is wrong?
What exactly did AG and Axel say was different about how I am playing?
I already know the answer, but I want to see if you do.
Also, it's not that you changed positions that's a problem. It's that you chagned positions with no comments, no reasoning and not subtle shift and it happend in-line with me starting to poke at you.
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What else should I say? Saying how unlikely it is? Others have chirped in. I didn't feel like parroting them. Offer a counter-theory? I have none.
You could have said "I agree with the reasons posted by X, Y, Z." That atleast demonstrates that you READ their posts.
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Yes, I am stretched too thin. I am painfully aware of that. I am taking steps to rectify such a matter though. It's just that it's not my policy to replace out of games. It wouldn't be fair to both the mod and other players. So, I slugged along, and tried my best to increase my posting rate. You may also want to note my posting rate does not depend on the amount of posts others are giving, but on the time I have available each real-life day in which to post. That means that I am usually more active during the weekends.
And this the weakspot. I simply don't know you well enough to know if you really are stretched too thin, or if you simply don't care about this game because you're scum. I cannot distinguish between the two. But choosing in a fishbowl, I'm reading it as scum.
Also, you are clearly jumpy when people poke at you. What I don't know is if this is because you're scum, or because you're jumpy. I'm saying scum, but if someone could make a convincing case that you're always jumpy, I'd read it.
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Graaaaah! I hate this.
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Well, if we ever find out that the Cake prevent Day abilities the following day then that would mean Grakthis is lying, because he said he targeted Atlseal the day after he got the Cake.
Yeah, I'll go ahead and reassert this. I def was able to use my day ability the day after getting targeted with the cake.
I've also already used my ability today sucessfully. But I'll not be announcing who I targeted until either the end of the day or tomorrow. Needless to say, this is the first time I've targeted someone other than ATL.
I am assuming the target is given no notification that I targeted them, even though flavorwise they would be fully aware of it. But if I'm wrong, the target is welcome to find a subtle way of letting me know.
Grakthis, are you asserting that this mysterious Day ability has any utility at all? Considering you used it on a scum, three times, and it didn't seem to make any difference whatsoever.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Grakthis, are you asserting that this mysterious Day ability has any utility at all? Considering you used it on a scum, three times, and it didn't seem to make any difference whatsoever.
Well, given that I have said I have 2 abilities, isn't it pretty logical that both of them are only situationaly useful?
Like, mods don't normally say "Hay, let's make a character that is way better than everyone else!"
As of post 2699 he admits that he hasn't sent in a vote on ATL yet. Why the delay? I mean, you say you support the ATL lynch? It's also worth noting he only looks at the ATL vs Xyre conflict and not at anyone else as a possibility. Obv, those were the two leading candidates, but his wording here bugs me.
I'll ask you then. Why the hurry? Eager to end the day?
What other possibility is there? One of them was lying. The step to take there would be to clarify the truth of the matter before proceeding.
In post 2657 he's defending ATL! Awesome. Telling us:
Don't you look silly now?
The defense of ATL continues on as we go back. When given the chance to attack Xyre instead of ATL, he jumpes right on it in post 2628, agreeing with Cyan that Xyre's "180" on wheather or not Atl took the spoon was fishy.
2583 offers further skepticism of Xyre and more support of ATL.
Unlike you who were obviously very sure that atlseal was scum (not speculating on internal knowledge and such), I was not. My intention then was trying to reason things out. As were the others. Obviously you didn't feel the need to. I understand.
2575 is the first instance (working backwards, obv) of him being jumpy and defensive when I start poking at him. I ask him why he's being jumpy and he deflects by pointing at posts that aren't even what I was talking about. But now that he mentions it... let's see what he did in that post.
Ah, the jumpiness thing. This should be interesting.
In post 2571 he responds to me proposing an idea by calling it "needless speculation!" Ha! I love that. I present an idea on how the vanishing ability by ATL would fit in with a mafia ability and he calls it "needless speculation." How exactly was it "needless?" Why don't you call ALL proposed ideas on the mafia "needless speculation?" Specifically, why not the latest idea on the makeup of the mafia?
What exactly would your theory serve then? That the mafia had a group ability? I am assuming you don't really know for a fact that the mafia have a group ability. So then, how would it help us? At best, none whatsoever. At worse, another thing for the town to be paranoid about.
Let's talk about the makeup of the mafia then. It helps in the late-game elimination to find scums. See, it's not "needless" speculation.
Why are you fixating on ME? Sounds familiar... who.... else... did that... OH YEAH! LORAN!
Ah yes, no one else paid any attention to you. I see.
Now, as for me, how about you are the only one offering me entertainment right now? I am pretty sure it wasn't because I am thinking you might be a scum.
Now, how about the reverse? Why are you fixating on ME? I am pretty sure it wasn't because you are thinking I am scum also, right?
Well, given that I have said I have 2 abilities, isn't it pretty logical that both of them are only situationaly useful?
Like, mods don't normally say "Hay, let's make a character that is way better than everyone else!"
But it does something?
What I do not want to hear is you coming back tomorrow or the Day after and saying "well, I guess the Mod was just screwing with me, my Day ability really does nothing...."
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
What I do not want to hear is you coming back tomorrow or the Day after and saying "well, I guess the Mod was just screwing with me, my Day ability really does nothing...."
Absolutly. It is clearly spelled out in my PM that it does something and I know exactly what the benefit of that "something" is.
The something is without a doubt beneficial to us as a town.
I'll ask you then. Why the hurry? Eager to end the day?
Uh... when you catch scum, you kill them. Your vote is like pointing a finger at someone, and it should always be pointed at th eperson you think is scum.
I hate people who don't vote.
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What other possibility is there? One of them was lying. The step to take there would be to clarify the truth of the matter before proceeding.
Sure. But comibined with everything else you said, it's a subtle defense of ATL and attack on Xyre.
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Unlike you who were obviously very sure that atlseal was scum (not speculating on internal knowledge and such), I was not. My intention then was trying to reason things out. As were the others. Obviously you didn't feel the need to. I understand.
See above.
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What exactly would your theory serve then? That the mafia had a group ability? I am assuming you don't really know for a fact that the mafia have a group ability. So then, how would it help us? At best, none whatsoever. At worse, another thing for the town to be paranoid about.
It serves to explain what happened with ATL. Mods often give a protection of some sort to the mafia.
In Teen Sex Mafia on MT, I was the SK but I couldn't kill a member of the mafia as long as their "psychic" was alive.
In Musical Mafia I was in the mafia and we had a 1-shot kill protection as long as our mafia bodyguard was alive.
There is a precedence for this ability, and I was stating it.
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Let's talk about the makeup of the mafia then. It helps in the late-game elimination to find scums. See, it's not "needless" speculation.
It's a good idea LATE IN THE GAME.
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Now, as for me, how about you are the only one offering me entertainment right now? I am pretty sure it wasn't because I am thinking you might be a scum.
Except you have not yet, to this point, made a case against me. Or even a comment. You've said nothing to show how or why you think I might be scum.
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Now, how about the reverse? Why are you fixating on ME? I am pretty sure it wasn't because you are thinking I am scum also, right?
Also, it's not that you changed positions that's a problem. It's that you chagned positions with no comments, no reasoning and not subtle shift and it happend in-line with me starting to poke at you.
Noted then. But I still maintain it's not because you 'poke' at me. In fact, I don't even remember you 'poke' at me.
You could have said "I agree with the reasons posted by X, Y, Z." That atleast demonstrates that you READ their posts.
It should be obvious that I read every single post by now. Also, here's where our opinions differ. I NEVER feel the need to say "I agree with the reasons posted by X, Y, Z." unless I have something further to add.
Also, you are clearly jumpy when people poke at you. What I don't know is if this is because you're scum, or because you're jumpy. I'm saying scum, but if someone could make a convincing case that you're always jumpy, I'd read it.
Define 'jumpy' for me, please. I really would love to hear your definition.
Atlseal vanished day 2, so you did use it then. My next question is : given that day 2 began on 25/07 and that atlseal named Kraj right away, why didn't you act earlier or later than 27/07 at whatever time you did ?
Well, technically, those are when I got back my confirmations from the moderator. I don't have tracking for when I sent them.
So I am not sure if I sent it on the 25th or the 27th. I know Az acknowledged it on the 27th.
Like, when I used my ability today, it took Az 3 IRL days to acknowledge it.
Other than that, I'm not sure why you think I should have used my ability as soon as ATL pointed a finger at Kraj? It seems to me like you're making some assumptions about what I do.
First, my response to his response to my response.
Is it? My bad then. Apparently it's lack of content and jumpiness then. Neat.
So why did you so confidentatly state that it was ONLY because of jumpiness if you didn't actually check?
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What exactly does the term "feelings" say to you then? I am pretty certain it doens't say post-analysis or proof to me.
a feeling can be based on facts or logic. For example, your wife might say "I've got a feeling you're lying to me about where you went, because you came home smelling like baby powder instead of beer and smoke."
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From memory, I would say they said you didn't play as what they knew of you as town from wherever it is that they played with you.
Are you going to enlighten me now that they say different thing?
Yep. They said I'm not being as pushy, abusive and beligerant.
Which is because this is not MT. This is MTGS.
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Noted then. But I still maintain it's not because you 'poke' at me. In fact, I don't even remember you 'poke' at me.
It should be obvious that I read every single post by now. Also, here's where our opinions differ. I NEVER feel the need to say "I agree with the reasons posted by X, Y, Z." unless I have something further to add.
Then people will always presume that you're not actually keeping up.
Do you ever find that when games stagnate you become the "default" lynch? Because when you don't contribute your opinions and why you have them on a regular basis, you are seen as a lurker.
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Define 'jumpy' for me, please. I really would love to hear your definition.
You ever touched a frog right on it's back end between it's hind legs?
It immediatly jumps. Everytime. That's jumpy. Someone pokes you, and you jump.
Did you send the PM to Az right away or not then ?
If not right away, I guess it's because you felt you were in no rush but then, why "so early".
Why did you send that PM at that time ? What made you send it ?
Dude, that was almost 2 months ago. Do you actually think I remember?
If I were guessing, I probably sent him the PM before the 27th.
And as for the rest of your questions, you're practically asking me to claim the ability. And that's not gonna happen without a very good reason.
Uh... when you catch scum, you kill them. Your vote is like pointing a finger at someone, and it should always be pointed at th eperson you think is scum.
I hate people who don't vote.
Again, I wasn't sure who was scum, only that I would choose atlseal over xyre at that point of time.
Except you have not yet, to this point, made a case against me. Or even a comment. You've said nothing to show how or why you think I might be scum.
Then I have done so with one of my previous posts. If you are expecting something like post by post analysis, then don't. I have yet to finish responding to everything you have thrown at me, and I am not the type to write down a PBPA.
So why did you so confidentatly state that it was ONLY because of jumpiness if you didn't actually check?
Because it was the only thing that "jumped" out at me. OK, "jumpiness" is a more hilarious way of claiming someone is scum so I am assuming that stuck in my mind instead.
a feeling can be based on facts or logic. For example, your wife might say "I've got a feeling you're lying to me about where you went, because you came home smelling like baby powder instead of beer and smoke."
I see. Then we both derived different meanings from the same word then.
Then people will always presume that you're not actually keeping up.
Do you ever find that when games stagnate you become the "default" lynch? Because when you don't contribute your opinions and why you have them on a regular basis, you are seen as a lurker.
I am pretty certain in such cases, the scums would be the ones propagating my lynch then.
Let me be blunt then : are you claiming day-doc ?
Because if you are, I don't understand why you chose to wait two days before protecting atlseal.
At the same time, Axelrod's "Townie Mentor" roleclaim bothers me a lot, considering his apparent lack of interaction with others and the Architect role.
I've got both of you as clearly non-Mafia but both have things I don't like about their partial claims and make possible SKs. #
Then again, obviously, there are the unknowns like RafK, Spoon, AG and co.
Let me be blunt: I am not claiming my role without being given a very good reason to do so.
But if you want to keep throwing out ideas to the scum about what I might be, go for it. Getting me night/day-killed isn't a terrible idea. It has it's upsides.
So... how about agreeing for the RP-giving role to come out if he's town ?
Oh well. Here goes.
Tyler Durden, Townie Revealer.
I'm a flavor cop, in a very loose sense of the word. Each night, I can target a player to force that player to roleplay the following day.
Targets:
N1, Grakthis (ran into the whole cake untargetability thing)
N2, DYH
N3, Pod (he died that night)
N4, RafaelK
Why were the targets chosen:
- Grakthis was for sheer comedy value. I couldn't really get a read on anyone, and chose him because he so vehemently objected to roleplaying on day 1. Alas, the cake. Oh well.
- DYH was because he claimed to be from the Terminator as soon as the Cyan/Axelrod thing went down. I figured he could be a scum building credibility while piggybacking on a townie claim, and wanted to catch him in LAL. And if he's town, he was clearly a minor character (because the two major characters of the Terminator were taken), so the potential damage wasn't that great, I believed.
- Pod was chosen because he lurked a lot, and there was basically no paper trail on him.
- RafaelK was because I suspected he might be the daykilling SK, and maybe he'll have some kind of SK-flavored role.
To those who still think I could be mafia, let me remind you this:
a. Not once, but TWICE my investigations were thwarted by scum's actions (killing Pod and giving the cake to Grak).
b. The scum have some kind of investigator (see the atlseal/Kraj thing), and that investigator does NOT involve roleplaying.
So you can only think I'm scum if you believe that:
1. I deliberately conspired with my cohorts to skip two night actions for no gain.
2. The scum have a regular investigator (the one who outed Kraj) and in addition have my own quasi-investigation ability.
Also, as you can see, the reason I didn't claim info and wasn't particularly afraid of that info being lost to my kill is because I have no info to claim - it's all in-thread.
Again, I wasn't sure who was scum, only that I would choose atlseal over xyre at that point of time.
No one is ever "sure" who is scum. You vote for your best guess.
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I see it more along the line of propagating discussion. Let the others judge.
Sure.
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Done then since you explained. Let me throw back something at you. Why didn't you say it then?
I did. I suggested it before that post and probably after that post.
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Then I have done so with one of my previous posts. If you are expecting something like post by post analysis, then don't. I have yet to finish responding to everything you have thrown at me, and I am not the type to write down a PBPA.
No. Even a general "here is why I think Grak is scum...." would be fine. But you haven't even done that. You've just asked questions about my abilities.
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If I wanted to kill you, you would have been dead days ago. Are you sure it's not really the other way around?
Oh, so you CAN kill me in my sleep, but you have choosen other targets intead.
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Because it was the only thing that "jumped" out at me. OK, "jumpiness" is a more hilarious way of claiming someone is scum so I am assuming that stuck in my mind instead.
"jumpiness" isn't a way of saying someone is scum. But it is frequently a scum behavior.
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Which you usually are as town, I am assuming? In that case, I am sure your reason that this is MTGS and not MT is totally valid then.
I usually am as town AND scum. It's not unique to one alignment.
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I am pretty certain in such cases, the scums would be the ones propagating my lynch then.
No. Because lurking and not contributing are lynchable offenses. Townies see them too.
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Ah, you were talking in the literal sense. No, I never jump at all when playing mafia, even when you 'poked' at me. It's too physically exerting.
I'm a flavor cop, in a very loose sense of the word. Each night, I can target a player to force that player to roleplay the following day.
Targets:
N1, Grakthis (ran into the whole cake untargetability thing)
N2, DYH
N3, Pod (he died that night)
N4, RafaelK
Why were the targets chosen:
- Grakthis was for sheer comedy value. I couldn't really get a read on anyone, and chose him because he so vehemently objected to roleplaying on day 1. Alas, the cake. Oh well.
- DYH was because he claimed to be from the Terminator as soon as the Cyan/Axelrod thing went down. I figured he could be a scum building credibility while piggybacking on a townie claim, and wanted to catch him in LAL. And if he's town, he was clearly a minor character (because the two major characters of the Terminator were taken), so the potential damage wasn't that great, I believed.
- Pod was chosen because he lurked a lot, and there was basically no paper trail on him.
- RafaelK was because I suspected he might be the daykilling SK, and maybe he'll have some kind of SK-flavored role.
To those who still think I could be mafia, let me remind you this:
a. Not once, but TWICE my investigations were thwarted by scum's actions (killing Pod and giving the cake to Grak).
b. The scum have some kind of investigator (see the atlseal/Kraj thing), and that investigator does NOT involve roleplaying.
So you can only think I'm scum if you believe that:
1. I deliberately conspired with my cohorts to skip two night actions for no gain.
2. The scum have a regular investigator (the one who outed Kraj) and in addition have my own quasi-investigation ability.
Also, as you can see, the reason I didn't claim info and wasn't particularly afraid of that info being lost to my kill is because I have no info to claim - it's all in-thread.
I await your questions.
So when you target someone, you force them to roleplay as per their role? Grak seemed to assume this and to me you don't clearly state that.
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Vampyr: yes, roleplay as per their role. Not roleplay in any way they see fit.
ZDS: Basically, my job is that the machines send me to "fix" bluepills who are close to "awakening". The flavor connection between this and roleplay is a tad loose, I'm afraid.
"Fix" ? Can you be more clear ? And what does it have to do with Tyler Durden ?
"Fix" as in making them stay in their happy oblivious bluepill status. As for your second question, I'll answer that when you'll tell me what does Townie Reflector has to do with Alice in Wonderland.
I have, of course, no idea why Tyler Durden was chosen for this role.
I'm a flavor cop, in a very loose sense of the word. Each night, I can target a player to force that player to roleplay the following day.
Targets:
N1, Grakthis (ran into the whole cake untargetability thing)
N2, DYH
N3, Pod (he died that night)
N4, RafaelK
Why were the targets chosen:
- Grakthis was for sheer comedy value. I couldn't really get a read on anyone, and chose him because he so vehemently objected to roleplaying on day 1. Alas, the cake. Oh well.
- DYH was because he claimed to be from the Terminator as soon as the Cyan/Axelrod thing went down. I figured he could be a scum building credibility while piggybacking on a townie claim, and wanted to catch him in LAL. And if he's town, he was clearly a minor character (because the two major characters of the Terminator were taken), so the potential damage wasn't that great, I believed.
- Pod was chosen because he lurked a lot, and there was basically no paper trail on him.
- RafaelK was because I suspected he might be the daykilling SK, and maybe he'll have some kind of SK-flavored role.
To those who still think I could be mafia, let me remind you this:
a. Not once, but TWICE my investigations were thwarted by scum's actions (killing Pod and giving the cake to Grak).
b. The scum have some kind of investigator (see the atlseal/Kraj thing), and that investigator does NOT involve roleplaying.
So you can only think I'm scum if you believe that:
1. I deliberately conspired with my cohorts to skip two night actions for no gain.
2. The scum have a regular investigator (the one who outed Kraj) and in addition have my own quasi-investigation ability.
Also, as you can see, the reason I didn't claim info and wasn't particularly afraid of that info being lost to my kill is because I have no info to claim - it's all in-thread.
I await your questions.
That's reasonably consistent, except for the "Cyan/Axelrod" thing went down on Day 1, not Day 2.
What happens to your target should they fail to role-claim?
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1. Yes, I was a tad late with my realization of being able to investigate DYH.
2. You mean should they fail to role play. I don't want to say at this time, since it'll give targeted scums a way to play around the ability. ("Hmm, should I roleplay or take the penalty... if I only knew what the penalty is..."). Let's just say I know what the penalty is, and claiming it at this time would be extremely unhelful, and leave it at that.
I've also already used my ability today sucessfully. But I'll not be announcing who I targeted until either the end of the day or tomorrow. Needless to say, this is the first time I've targeted someone other than ATL.
Without digging through the entirety of your posts, I seem to remember you saying way back on Day 1 that when you used your ability everyone in the thread would know about it so there was no need to go into specifics.
Where is the bright neon sign/mod scene then?
Without digging through the entirety of your posts, I seem to remember you saying way back on Day 1 that when you used your ability everyone in the thread would know about it so there was no need to go into specifics.
Where is the bright neon sign/mod scene then?
I am so unbelievably sick of answering this question.
2 different abilities, AG. The day ability is not flashy. The night ability is.
1. Yes, I was a tad late with my realization of being able to investigate DYH.
2. You mean should they fail to role play. I don't want to say at this time, since it'll give targeted scums a way to play around the ability. ("Hmm, should I roleplay or take the penalty... if I only knew what the penalty is..."). Let's just say I know what the penalty is, and claiming it at this time would be extremely unhelful, and leave it at that.
Well, you've hit Raf. so the scum already know what the penalty is anyway
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Grakthis did not use Day ability (for reasons which will become obvious when he claims - he says)
Day-killer targeted Arimnaes.
Night 1:
Xyre Targets Axelrod with Spoon. Axelrod takes it.
Alx Targets Grakthis. Can't find.
Jeffe Targets ZDS to give a Watcher ability.
ZDS watches Axelrod, sees Xyre leave Spoon (or just "something")
Dagger targets Cyan.
Pod presumably targeted someone.
Kraj targets fadeblue for recruitment.
LJustus dies. Bitten and drained. Possibly he was not the intended target.
Grakthis is targeted by Cake. Forced to hide.
*someone* in the Mafia, possibly atlseal, targeted Kraj and found out his role.
Day 2:
Grakthis targets atlseal, fails because atlseal vanishes.
Day-killer targets atlseal, fails because atlseal vanishes.
Night 2:
Dagger targets Axelrod.
Pod presumably targets someone. Pod needs a refresher course on breadcrumbing....
Jeffe targets ZDS again to give watcher ability.
ZDS watches ? (the revolving role) No one else targets.
Alx targets DYH with the role-playing bug.
*someone* targets Axelrod with Flowers (yes, this is the Night that happened, and no it wasn't Dagger. It was two separate things)
Xyre receives Cake. Hides.
Day 3:
Grakthis targets atlseal.
Daykiller targets DYH.
Night 3:
Dagger targets Spoon
Xyre targets atlseal with Spoon. Atlseal takes it.
fadeblue targets Puzzle. Makes vanilla.
Jeffe targets ZDS again (possibly this was just a continuation of Night 1)
ZDS watches Puzzle. Sees fadeblue target him.
Alx targets Pod with role-playing Bug.
No cake is claimed? This is the Night Pod dies.
Day 4:
Day-killer targets J-Effe IV
Grakthis targets Atlseal. "Confirmed" PM
*someone* (presumably scum) turns off the vote-count.
Night 4:
Dagger targets Puzzle
fadeblue targets Raf?
Alx targets Raf with the role-playing bug.
*someone* targets CP with Flowers
AbbeyGargoyle receives Cake.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
So Dagger's fan club is now Axelrod/Cyan/Spoon/Puzzle? Is being in the fan-club a guarantee of alignment or merely a guarantee of Dagger's undying friendship?
So Dagger's fan club is now Axelrod/Cyan/Spoon/Puzzle? Is being in the fan-club a guarantee of alignment or merely a guarantee of Dagger's undying friendship?
It guarantees squat. But it does mean that Dagger probably isn't sending people Cake or Flowers, and is probably not day/night killing anyone.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Axelrod - No. I targeted ATL day 1 and day 2 but NOT day 3.
You didn't target anyone on Day 3?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I strongly suspect Xyre is scum, in view of the latest night action list.
On night 1, he targeted Axelrod, and only Day 2, he claimed his ability made Axelrod untargetable. He backtracked on it later, but if we take a snapshot of the situation at the end of day 2, and assume Xyre is town, then the scums went to bed with the knowledge Axelrod is untargetable.
And yet, he got flowers. From an unclaimed source, which I can only assume is non-town. Hence, whoever gave the flowers, probably knew Axelrod wasn't really untargetable - way before it was public knowledge. Hence, the flower-giver is in league with Xyre.
I strongly suspect Xyre is scum, in view of the latest night action list.
On night 1, he targeted Axelrod, and only Day 2, he claimed his ability made Axelrod untargetable. He backtracked on it later, but if we take a snapshot of the situation at the end of day 2, and assume Xyre is town, then the scums went to bed with the knowledge Axelrod is untargetable.
And yet, he got flowers. From an unclaimed source, which I can only assume is non-town. Hence, whoever gave the flowers, probably knew Axelrod wasn't really untargetable - way before it was public knowledge. Hence, the flower-giver is in league with Xyre.
Makes sense?
Well, Dagger targeted me. And did so with the specific purpose of checking if Xyre was telling the truth. It is conceivable that the flower person was doing the same (checking to see if I could be targeted or not). So far the Flowers have not seemed to have had much effect on anything this game.
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@Puzzle: Where did Axel say that he doesn't have to interact with other players?
Honestly, I think that CP has been so contentious about his multi-vote that it's time to bring him to task on it. He was all too eager to throw it out there really early and let us assume that it was constant, etc. But as soon as it became apparent that he can't just use it constantly, suddenly it's like pulling teeth to get any additional info on it. It doesn't really add up, but maybe it's just me. CP doesn't seem extremely suspect outside of this, but the contrast between his initial action w/ his multi-vote and his attitude regarding it after that strikes me as solidly non-town.
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Also, very interesting news about Dagger running a small (or large?) members-only club. Not at all surprised that Cyan vetoed my invitation.
Plus, we have been assuming that the Cake would make said person untargetable, so if the Mafia had sent the Cake to Pod he shouldn't have died, should he?
Does the Cake not prevent kills? It's either that, or the Mafia just chose not to send it, or they gave it to one of their own who didn't claim it, or, possibly, the Cake RB was prevented in some way?
Now that Cyan has spilled the beans on Dagger, I'll just say that the ability doesn't seem especially scummish, but I don't completely discount the possibility. Dagger isn't sending Cake to anyone though, I feel fairly confident saying that.
Lie. I've volunteered info about my role under no pressure.
And if Axel hadn't claimed, i'd still be voting for you. You're the scumiest townie I've ever seen.
Yeah... Puzzle already tried this argument, then after reading the thread, realized it was wrong. I attack Loran loudly and repeatedly across several days.
lolz.
Why don't you ask Abbey and Axelrod how I feel about lynching claimed power roles?
And if you can find one instance where I defended ATL based on anything EXCEPT his standing as a claimed power role, I'll give you a cookie.
Hint: you won't.
You're wrong.
Wait, what?
Dagger claimed an ability, but this is the first I've heard about the nature of that ability.
Apparently the main topic is about me.
Joy.
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1. Spoon - ?, ?
2. Rafaelk - currently sounding like Ted 'Theodore' Logan, ? (but bogusly vanillafied)
3. Axelrod - John Connor, ? (whatever townie mentor actually MEANS)
4. Hawkeye7 - Truman Capote, cross-dresser (heh heh)
5. Grakthis - ?, claims unknown day and night abilities
6. Alx2 - ?, name cop
7. Abbeygargoyle -?, ?
8. Cyan - T800, double life bodyguard and neutral in denial
9. Xyre - spoon boy with no spoons left
10. ZDS & 11. Vampyr: Joy Tu'Sugars, masons
12. Carrion Pigeons: ?, pretending to be a multivoter
13. Dagger: ?, telephone company. (Hey, Dagger. there's a caller for your party, looking for last name Hugginkiss, first name Amanda?)
14. Puzzle: The Oracle. Rotating roll, now with less vanilla sauce.
Most dudes and babes have given some details or other about their ability. Few dudes or babes have given a name. It's an unusual pattern.
Unclaimed abilities in the game: flowers, cake, roleplaying bug, daykill. Probably a doc too.
You favor a wagon on you?
Also, I meant delays as in the action of kept putting off information for another day.
Well, you have only stated 'jumpiness' as the only point up until post #2847, so your statement of me lying was totally a misrepresentation.
Also, in such a fight, the chicken wins of course. But which chicken will kill her own brood?
You may call it intuition or guts. You may also add his softclaim of untargetability, explanation that it was actually a trap, convenience of being targeted by fade on the night fade die, the inconsistency with puzzle's claim of his vanilla reverting, general sense of my reading on his posts, and yes, intuition or guts.
I thought you were town in early game. I seriously did. Then those who have played with you before, like AG, Puzzle?, Axel?, etc. etc. (can't remember who else) said you didn't seem particularly act like the town they knew. Add that to the slipperiness of your claim, like what can you actually do? All these are making me more and more suspicious of you. Of course, if the Merovingian really is the scum and he really send you a cake on Day 1, a fact that somehow Alx verified, then logically you can't be scum. Am I wrong? Or are you saying that partially clearing you based on the cake you received is wrong?
What else should I say? Saying how unlikely it is? Others have chirped in. I didn't feel like parroting them. Offer a counter-theory? I have none.
Yes, I am stretched too thin. I am painfully aware of that. I am taking steps to rectify such a matter though. It's just that it's not my policy to replace out of games. It wouldn't be fair to both the mod and other players. So, I slugged along, and tried my best to increase my posting rate. You may also want to note my posting rate does not depend on the amount of posts others are giving, but on the time I have available each real-life day in which to post. That means that I am usually more active during the weekends.
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It would surprise me if anyone with that role so far in the game extended you an invitation.
What I'd like to ask of Dagger is: When did you give Cyan the hook up to your "phoneline"?
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Figuring out which game days might take me a minute...
I don't think I targeted anyone day 1 for reasons that will be obvious if I eventually claim my ability.
I am fairly confident I targeted ATL immediatly the next morning after he claimed but before he told us his results on Kraj.
and then again the morning after that (which is when he vanished on us).
Then again yesterday fairly early in the day.
Checking my PM history, the first "acknowledge" PM I got from Az was on the July 7th. The next one is on July 27th. The next one is August 21st.
So, I see three usages in there.
That's also not true. I had stated the lack of content from you as the primary reason I first started voting for you. A fact others noted.
Why didn't YOU call it intuition or guts then?
What exactly did AG and Axel say was different about how I am playing?
I already know the answer, but I want to see if you do.
Also, it's not that you changed positions that's a problem. It's that you chagned positions with no comments, no reasoning and not subtle shift and it happend in-line with me starting to poke at you.
You could have said "I agree with the reasons posted by X, Y, Z." That atleast demonstrates that you READ their posts.
And this the weakspot. I simply don't know you well enough to know if you really are stretched too thin, or if you simply don't care about this game because you're scum. I cannot distinguish between the two. But choosing in a fishbowl, I'm reading it as scum.
Also, you are clearly jumpy when people poke at you. What I don't know is if this is because you're scum, or because you're jumpy. I'm saying scum, but if someone could make a convincing case that you're always jumpy, I'd read it.
Graaaaah! I hate this.
Yeah, I'll go ahead and reassert this. I def was able to use my day ability the day after getting targeted with the cake.
I've also already used my ability today sucessfully. But I'll not be announcing who I targeted until either the end of the day or tomorrow. Needless to say, this is the first time I've targeted someone other than ATL.
I am assuming the target is given no notification that I targeted them, even though flavorwise they would be fully aware of it. But if I'm wrong, the target is welcome to find a subtle way of letting me know.
I wasn't sure if this was directed at everyone, which is why I didn't initially answer. But since you've sounded your Barbaric Yawp, I shall respond.
I have no ability that gives, receives, utilizes or is otherwise associated with role playing.
If the rp giver role is town, I think it would be a good idea to come forth.
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I might be wrong about game days. I'll scroll the thread and check which game days those dates align with.
July 7th is still game day 1, because it's right after ATL claimed his role (around page 40ish) and before Armineas was killed.
It looks like July 27th is when ATL vanished, so that's day 3.
So it looks like I did NOT use my ability day 2.
That means the August 21st use was day 3 when I targeted ATL after he claimed to be vanilla.
Well, given that I have said I have 2 abilities, isn't it pretty logical that both of them are only situationaly useful?
Like, mods don't normally say "Hay, let's make a character that is way better than everyone else!"
I'll ask you then. Why the hurry? Eager to end the day?
What other possibility is there? One of them was lying. The step to take there would be to clarify the truth of the matter before proceeding.
Unlike you who were obviously very sure that atlseal was scum (not speculating on internal knowledge and such), I was not. My intention then was trying to reason things out. As were the others. Obviously you didn't feel the need to. I understand.
Ah, the jumpiness thing. This should be interesting.
What exactly would your theory serve then? That the mafia had a group ability? I am assuming you don't really know for a fact that the mafia have a group ability. So then, how would it help us? At best, none whatsoever. At worse, another thing for the town to be paranoid about.
Let's talk about the makeup of the mafia then. It helps in the late-game elimination to find scums. See, it's not "needless" speculation.
Ah yes, no one else paid any attention to you. I see.
Now, as for me, how about you are the only one offering me entertainment right now? I am pretty sure it wasn't because I am thinking you might be a scum.
Now, how about the reverse? Why are you fixating on ME? I am pretty sure it wasn't because you are thinking I am scum also, right?
It's not exactly a phoneline. It's more like a letter.
I targeted Cyan on Night 1 and Axel on Night 2.
For discussion's sake since this is out in the open already, I targeted Spoon on Night 3 and Puzzle on Night 4.
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But it does something?
What I do not want to hear is you coming back tomorrow or the Day after and saying "well, I guess the Mod was just screwing with me, my Day ability really does nothing...."
Absolutly. It is clearly spelled out in my PM that it does something and I know exactly what the benefit of that "something" is.
The something is without a doubt beneficial to us as a town.
Uh... when you catch scum, you kill them. Your vote is like pointing a finger at someone, and it should always be pointed at th eperson you think is scum.
I hate people who don't vote.
Sure. But comibined with everything else you said, it's a subtle defense of ATL and attack on Xyre.
See above.
It serves to explain what happened with ATL. Mods often give a protection of some sort to the mafia.
In Teen Sex Mafia on MT, I was the SK but I couldn't kill a member of the mafia as long as their "psychic" was alive.
In Musical Mafia I was in the mafia and we had a 1-shot kill protection as long as our mafia bodyguard was alive.
There is a precedence for this ability, and I was stating it.
It's a good idea LATE IN THE GAME.
Except you have not yet, to this point, made a case against me. Or even a comment. You've said nothing to show how or why you think I might be scum.
Because you want to kill me in my sleep.
Is it? My bad then. Apparently it's lack of content and jumpiness then. Neat.
What exactly does the term "feelings" say to you then? I am pretty certain it doens't say post-analysis or proof to me.
From memory, I would say they said you didn't play as what they knew of you as town from wherever it is that they played with you.
Are you going to enlighten me now that they say different thing?
Noted then. But I still maintain it's not because you 'poke' at me. In fact, I don't even remember you 'poke' at me.
It should be obvious that I read every single post by now. Also, here's where our opinions differ. I NEVER feel the need to say "I agree with the reasons posted by X, Y, Z." unless I have something further to add.
Define 'jumpy' for me, please. I really would love to hear your definition.
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Well, technically, those are when I got back my confirmations from the moderator. I don't have tracking for when I sent them.
So I am not sure if I sent it on the 25th or the 27th. I know Az acknowledged it on the 27th.
Like, when I used my ability today, it took Az 3 IRL days to acknowledge it.
Other than that, I'm not sure why you think I should have used my ability as soon as ATL pointed a finger at Kraj? It seems to me like you're making some assumptions about what I do.
So why did you so confidentatly state that it was ONLY because of jumpiness if you didn't actually check?
a feeling can be based on facts or logic. For example, your wife might say "I've got a feeling you're lying to me about where you went, because you came home smelling like baby powder instead of beer and smoke."
Yep. They said I'm not being as pushy, abusive and beligerant.
Which is because this is not MT. This is MTGS.
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Then people will always presume that you're not actually keeping up.
Do you ever find that when games stagnate you become the "default" lynch? Because when you don't contribute your opinions and why you have them on a regular basis, you are seen as a lurker.
You ever touched a frog right on it's back end between it's hind legs?
It immediatly jumps. Everytime. That's jumpy. Someone pokes you, and you jump.
Dude, that was almost 2 months ago. Do you actually think I remember?
If I were guessing, I probably sent him the PM before the 27th.
And as for the rest of your questions, you're practically asking me to claim the ability. And that's not gonna happen without a very good reason.
Again, I wasn't sure who was scum, only that I would choose atlseal over xyre at that point of time.
I see it more along the line of propagating discussion. Let the others judge.
Done then since you explained. Let me throw back something at you. Why didn't you say it then?
Your point being?
Then I have done so with one of my previous posts. If you are expecting something like post by post analysis, then don't. I have yet to finish responding to everything you have thrown at me, and I am not the type to write down a PBPA.
If I wanted to kill you, you would have been dead days ago. Are you sure it's not really the other way around?
EWP: More.
Because it was the only thing that "jumped" out at me. OK, "jumpiness" is a more hilarious way of claiming someone is scum so I am assuming that stuck in my mind instead.
I see. Then we both derived different meanings from the same word then.
Which you usually are as town, I am assuming? In that case, I am sure your reason that this is MTGS and not MT is totally valid then.
Why, thank you for the reminder. It really is appreciated.
I am pretty certain in such cases, the scums would be the ones propagating my lynch then.
Ah, you were talking in the literal sense. No, I never jump at all when playing mafia, even when you 'poked' at me. It's too physically exerting.
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Let me be blunt: I am not claiming my role without being given a very good reason to do so.
But if you want to keep throwing out ideas to the scum about what I might be, go for it. Getting me night/day-killed isn't a terrible idea. It has it's upsides.
Oh well. Here goes.
Tyler Durden, Townie Revealer.
I'm a flavor cop, in a very loose sense of the word. Each night, I can target a player to force that player to roleplay the following day.
Targets:
N1, Grakthis (ran into the whole cake untargetability thing)
N2, DYH
N3, Pod (he died that night)
N4, RafaelK
Why were the targets chosen:
- Grakthis was for sheer comedy value. I couldn't really get a read on anyone, and chose him because he so vehemently objected to roleplaying on day 1. Alas, the cake. Oh well.
- DYH was because he claimed to be from the Terminator as soon as the Cyan/Axelrod thing went down. I figured he could be a scum building credibility while piggybacking on a townie claim, and wanted to catch him in LAL. And if he's town, he was clearly a minor character (because the two major characters of the Terminator were taken), so the potential damage wasn't that great, I believed.
- Pod was chosen because he lurked a lot, and there was basically no paper trail on him.
- RafaelK was because I suspected he might be the daykilling SK, and maybe he'll have some kind of SK-flavored role.
To those who still think I could be mafia, let me remind you this:
a. Not once, but TWICE my investigations were thwarted by scum's actions (killing Pod and giving the cake to Grak).
b. The scum have some kind of investigator (see the atlseal/Kraj thing), and that investigator does NOT involve roleplaying.
So you can only think I'm scum if you believe that:
1. I deliberately conspired with my cohorts to skip two night actions for no gain.
2. The scum have a regular investigator (the one who outed Kraj) and in addition have my own quasi-investigation ability.
Also, as you can see, the reason I didn't claim info and wasn't particularly afraid of that info being lost to my kill is because I have no info to claim - it's all in-thread.
I await your questions.
No one is ever "sure" who is scum. You vote for your best guess.
Sure.
I did. I suggested it before that post and probably after that post.
No. Even a general "here is why I think Grak is scum...." would be fine. But you haven't even done that. You've just asked questions about my abilities.
Oh, so you CAN kill me in my sleep, but you have choosen other targets intead.
"jumpiness" isn't a way of saying someone is scum. But it is frequently a scum behavior.
I usually am as town AND scum. It's not unique to one alignment.
No. Because lurking and not contributing are lynchable offenses. Townies see them too.
Hay guyz, waht's a metaphor?
So when you target someone, you force them to roleplay as per their role? Grak seemed to assume this and to me you don't clearly state that.
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Ye have enemies? Good, good - it means ye've stood up for something, sometime in thy life. - Elminster of Shadowdale
ZDS: Basically, my job is that the machines send me to "fix" bluepills who are close to "awakening". The flavor connection between this and roleplay is a tad loose, I'm afraid.
"Fix" as in making them stay in their happy oblivious bluepill status. As for your second question, I'll answer that when you'll tell me what does Townie Reflector has to do with Alice in Wonderland.
I have, of course, no idea why Tyler Durden was chosen for this role.
That's reasonably consistent, except for the "Cyan/Axelrod" thing went down on Day 1, not Day 2.
What happens to your target should they fail to role-claim?
2. You mean should they fail to role play. I don't want to say at this time, since it'll give targeted scums a way to play around the ability. ("Hmm, should I roleplay or take the penalty... if I only knew what the penalty is..."). Let's just say I know what the penalty is, and claiming it at this time would be extremely unhelful, and leave it at that.
Without digging through the entirety of your posts, I seem to remember you saying way back on Day 1 that when you used your ability everyone in the thread would know about it so there was no need to go into specifics.
Where is the bright neon sign/mod scene then?
I am so unbelievably sick of answering this question.
2 different abilities, AG. The day ability is not flashy. The night ability is.
Well, you've hit Raf. so the scum already know what the penalty is anyway
Day 1:
Grakthis did not use Day ability (for reasons which will become obvious when he claims - he says)
Day-killer targeted Arimnaes.
Night 1:
Xyre Targets Axelrod with Spoon. Axelrod takes it.
Alx Targets Grakthis. Can't find.
Jeffe Targets ZDS to give a Watcher ability.
ZDS watches Axelrod, sees Xyre leave Spoon (or just "something")
Dagger targets Cyan.
Pod presumably targeted someone.
Kraj targets fadeblue for recruitment.
LJustus dies. Bitten and drained. Possibly he was not the intended target.
Grakthis is targeted by Cake. Forced to hide.
*someone* in the Mafia, possibly atlseal, targeted Kraj and found out his role.
Day 2:
Grakthis targets atlseal, fails because atlseal vanishes.
Day-killer targets atlseal, fails because atlseal vanishes.
Night 2:
Dagger targets Axelrod.
Pod presumably targets someone. Pod needs a refresher course on breadcrumbing....
Jeffe targets ZDS again to give watcher ability.
ZDS watches ? (the revolving role) No one else targets.
Alx targets DYH with the role-playing bug.
*someone* targets Axelrod with Flowers (yes, this is the Night that happened, and no it wasn't Dagger. It was two separate things)
Xyre receives Cake. Hides.
Day 3:
Grakthis targets atlseal.
Daykiller targets DYH.
Night 3:
Dagger targets Spoon
Xyre targets atlseal with Spoon. Atlseal takes it.
fadeblue targets Puzzle. Makes vanilla.
Jeffe targets ZDS again (possibly this was just a continuation of Night 1)
ZDS watches Puzzle. Sees fadeblue target him.
Alx targets Pod with role-playing Bug.
No cake is claimed? This is the Night Pod dies.
Day 4:
Day-killer targets J-Effe IV
Grakthis targets Atlseal. "Confirmed" PM
*someone* (presumably scum) turns off the vote-count.
Night 4:
Dagger targets Puzzle
fadeblue targets Raf?
Alx targets Raf with the role-playing bug.
*someone* targets CP with Flowers
AbbeyGargoyle receives Cake.
It guarantees squat. But it does mean that Dagger probably isn't sending people Cake or Flowers, and is probably not day/night killing anyone.
You didn't target anyone on Day 3?
On night 1, he targeted Axelrod, and only Day 2, he claimed his ability made Axelrod untargetable. He backtracked on it later, but if we take a snapshot of the situation at the end of day 2, and assume Xyre is town, then the scums went to bed with the knowledge Axelrod is untargetable.
And yet, he got flowers. From an unclaimed source, which I can only assume is non-town. Hence, whoever gave the flowers, probably knew Axelrod wasn't really untargetable - way before it was public knowledge. Hence, the flower-giver is in league with Xyre.
Makes sense?
Well, Dagger targeted me. And did so with the specific purpose of checking if Xyre was telling the truth. It is conceivable that the flower person was doing the same (checking to see if I could be targeted or not). So far the Flowers have not seemed to have had much effect on anything this game.