I shall be quite frustrated with this game if Loran is town.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
well, that's a lynch. thanks for having me, and I hope we've finally caught a scum. if not...oh boy...
and doc, this role is a tree that's been cut down. don't let the mafia take it away!
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yeah...can you make something other than the whole epilepsy bit? it's getting old...
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Also, I may change my avatar into the smith one pre-day tomorrow. Just saying so so I don't get suspected of it. I've been wanting to do it for a while, and I may as well do it in a way that clears me of being DaySK, If I decide to go that way. I'll think about it overnight, anyway.
Do us all a favor and don't. If the cult has managed to pull through, you're giving them every reason to target you. We need to know that the cult is gone, and we won't be able to do that if you use ther avatar.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
atlseal is using it right now. Also, he didn't do his smiley today either.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
yeah...if he doesn't get modkilled, that's definitly something he needs to answer tomorrow. don't all jump on Pdog, he's new to mtgs. and PLEASE, whatever you do, don't be sheep!
good night.
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6 Not Voting- Fadeblue, Pod, Rafaelk, Loran16, Xyre, Hawkeye7
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The town gathers around Loran16, tensed and ready. He backs against the wall, his trench coat swaying loosely with every step.
As you draw near, a few of you hear a faint whisper slip from his throat.
"So it looks like I'm alone, after all."
With that, he reaches deep into his coat with one hand and turns his back to the crowd, whirling around. The town's weapons roar, peppering his body and the glass with metal, sending fragments everywhere. But in one smooth movement Loran completes his spin and pulls a battered, bullet-ridden skateboard from behind his back, slides it across the floor towards the exit, flips himself over the tightening ring of attackers and lands squarely on the skateboard, propelling himself down the steps.
As he leaps them, he retrieves a pair of Uzis from the depths of his trench coat and sends bullets spraying into the crowd behind him.
The town gives chase, as he picks up ever-increasing speed, soaring down the spiralling corridors of the mall, hopping over corpses and debris, and dodging the hail of bullets ricocheting around him as best he can while his Uzis spit metal indiscriminately towards the following crowd. Within sixty seconds, he has rolled out of sight several levels below, but not without leaving a long trail of spattered blood in his wake.
As the crowd continues to follow him to the lower levels, reloading weapons and bandaging superficial wounds, Cyan grows impatient. In a burst of speed, he leaps onto the railing with one foot, then soars an impossibly long distance across the chasm in the middle of the mall to land three levels down, on the opposite side.
There, he stands in the path of Loran, as he rolls towards him at breakneck speed. They raise their weapons. Cyan is the first to fire, but Loran counters by leaping with the skateboard, raising it in front of him like a shield. As he begins to fall, he squeezes his triggers, but the shots are wild and off-center, and Cyan easily dodges them, moving like a snake.
The distance between them closes, and Cyan throws a clothesline for Loran's neck. Loran sees the move coming, and leaps again, trying to brush his arm aside. Cyan grunts with the impact, the momentum easily sending his arm flying backwards, but not without deflecting Loran's skateboard flying over the railing, chopping through the air end over end. Loran himself spins through the air towards the gap in the middle, desperately reaching for the railing, and barely managing to catch himself with a single hand. His weapons drop to the floor. He hangs there, struggling to pull himself up, his arm leaking rivulets of blood down the sleeve of his coat onto his face.
The rest of the town sprints forward to join Cyan, who walks to the edge of the railing, looking down on Loran16 with a grim expression. He raises a fist.
Loran16 snarls, spits blood onto Cyan's face, and lets go of the railing. "I BELIEEEEEEEEV-"
His defiant yell ends as he hits the checkerboard below.
The town makes the pilgrimage to the lowest level. All except Charmmaster, who takes the shortcut of plunging over the railing, eyes bulging out of his head, landing gracefully head-first on the increasingly bloody tile below. You suspect his replacement will show up before too long.
In the meantime, the town solemnly checks over Loran16's bullet-riddled body, looking for the truth. Abbeygargoyle reaches into his inside pocket, withdrawing a cell phone. After a moment, his face lights up, and he brandishes it for all to see.
Loran's phone is filled with messages from an anonymous source, detailing a concerted and determined plan to mislead and eliminate the town, piece by piece. There is an allusion to some sort of deal, between the two. As you read on, your faces darken with anger, and a savage, primal satisfaction fills the group. There can be no question that the town has achieved its first victory against its insurgent members. Loran16, The Kid, Mafia Permablocker, is dead.
The deadline for night actions is set four days from now, on August 21st, 11:00 AM EST. Night 3 has begun. Best of luck.
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It was one of those nights. The kind straight out of a sleazy mystery novel; thunder, lightning, a pounding flood of rain, and enough tension hanging in the air to cut with a knife.
Adding to the misery is the ruined glass roof of the building. Water poured through the shattered holes, running over the glass, accumulating, and finally rolling down the steps towards the bottom levels in a long, trickling waterfall. The rain didn't stop with the arrival of morning, or what passed for morning in this twilight murk. But there's one good thing about the rain and the damp: the blood is finally being washed away.
And as you soon discover, there's plenty of fresh blood to be washed.
You find Pod, aka Private Detective Ash, Townie Cop, on the 13th floor. There is a gaping wound around his ankle, and his body is covered with superficial scratches. His gun lies just a few feet from his right hand with a full clip of bullets, the hand itself is almost severed. Around his neck, you find two deep puncture wounds. He lies in a pool of his own blood, which the rain water is only beginning to dilute. It rolls past him, and down the steps with an added tint of pink. He's pale as a fish's belly.
Day 4 of Matrix Mafia has begun. With 17 alive, it's 9 to lynch.
Now that the alignments of Loran and DYH are known, the entire thing he had with DYH (just as the heat on Loran was getting intense) looks like a scumbuddy running interference for Loran.
Two things to be done: (1) Go back over Loran, who he voted for and who voted for him, and why. (2) Check Pod, did he crumb anything. I'm guessing he must have, leading the scum to figure out he was a Cop, but I have no idea who he might have investigated right now. It also could have just been a lucky shot, I suppose, but I don't see where Pod was so in the clear/threatening that the scum would have picked him over anyone else.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I went over Pod's posts. He only had a couple on day 2, nothing significant. One of his first posts on D3, #1989 seems to be completely random and has no clear logical thread; hence, this must be the breadcrumbing post. I think.
I pointed yesterday that Hawkeye7 could be mafia, seeing neither of the wagons were growing (scum weren't going to help us). I think I'm gonna vote him, but Alx2 seems a nice alternative.
Two things to be done: (1) Go back over Loran, who he voted for and who voted for him, and why. (2) Check Pod, did he crumb anything. I'm guessing he must have, leading the scum to figure out he was a Cop, but I have no idea who he might have investigated right now. It also could have just been a lucky shot, I suppose, but I don't see where Pod was so in the clear/threatening that the scum would have picked him over anyone else.
Pod's posting was pretty solid most of the game. If you're the SK, he's a pretty logical target.
Well, Loran had been my #1 target for several days, so Vote: Dagger till I have a chance to really dig deeper. My lack of any kind of real notes on him is troubling.
I think it's worth noting that Hawkeye completely and utterly ignored the wagon on Loran, except for this post, which reads to me as trying to subtlely backup Loran's claim.
Grak: I think we've pretty much established that the SK is the daykiller. Under that theory, Pod was killed by the Mafia (that's not to say that the Mafia didn't kill him for the same reason).
I'll have to look over Pod's posts as well. There's probably something there that the Mafia was able to detect. Though the paranoid part of me believes it may have also been because Pod expressed interest in using the Smith avatar, and the Mafia may be trying to keep the town distracted by the possibility of the cult still being around.
Tentatively, I also want to say that Xyre and ZDS are probably clear based on reactions with loran. To some extent, Cyan and Axel as well. However, these are all pending review; I don't want to make too many assumptions at the moment.
Also possibly of interest (I haven't looked over them yet): loran's incomplete analysis of the players, starting from the top: #539 - Spoon, me, DYH #699 - Raf, Axel
"Somebody help me! I'm being spontaneous!"
You sure you're not being suspicious?
WELLLLLLLL, that's hardly for me to say. I'll leave that to my admirers to decide.
Oh Cyan..............
Remember, you can't get any further away before you start coming back.
But only if you want to find it, the truth that is.
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Though the paranoid part of me believes it may have also been because Pod expressed interest in using the Smith avatar, and the Mafia may be trying to keep the town distracted by the possibility of the cult still being around.
Am I to take that as an accusation? Because, as mafia, it doesn't exactly make a whole lot of sense for me to fearmonger about the cult by 1) requesting that nobody do anything that would allow me to fearmonger, and 2) killing the person most likely to ignore me.
If you're going to accuse me of being mafia due to my association with Pod, at least make a case that is at least consistent. Maybe you could assume that the mafia need people to not use the Smith avatar for some reason, for example. That's consistent. Nonsensical and purely speculative, but consistent.
Anyway, I'm not thrilled with the HE7 wagon before we even know what's going on with atl. We ought to be hearing from him first.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Just judging by game mechanics, I'd say that it's impossible for atlseal to be scum. Even putting that aside, none of his content lately strikes me as off in the slightest. Whereas, with Hawkeye, all of his content strikes me as scummy. So, that would be why I think Hawkeye is better to look at than atlseal(who I don't think is worth looking at at all).
CP: That wasn't directed at anyone in particular. It's certainly not true that everyone speculating that the cult is still around is Mafia. But the Mafia do have an interest in distracting the town, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're happy that people are still spending energy on it.
Though your fierce reaction to my comment seems rather odd, given that I hadn't referenced you at all.
Mmm. I can only say I had reasons for thinking loran's role was a plausible neutral hitman in 2214, and for believing the Kid would be both in and town- it appears from the death scene that he's meant to have made a deal with someone, which Unfortunately, I didn't get the opportunity to change my stance on that after further strong points came up that indicated loran was probably not even a neutral hitman (most notably: Pod's call in 2217 that loran couldn't keep a vig power in his pants this long... given that I was night 0 vigged by him in View Askew, I should have thought of that myself! And also the slip picked up by alx in 2231).
I approve of this push on Hawkeye. I am very tired of his use of the roleplaying stuff to avoid giving serious answers, and I think the time has come.
I am also +1 suspicious of the rotating role due to CharmMaster's attempt to direct the doc.
Grak- I too find it very unlikely that Dagger is scum, so I'm agreeing with Cyan on something. This is a combination of what I believe Dagger's role to be from the earlier hints and the fact that Dagger's analysis has seemed sincere (even if I don't agree with it all).
And finally, obviously we need to hear from atl about his smiley thing.
. Though the paranoid part of me believes it may have also been because Pod expressed interest in using the Smith avatar, and the Mafia may be trying to keep the town distracted by the possibility of the cult still being around.
Why would you think that was why Pod was killed, given that you're still alive? You've also claimed an ability which might worry the scum (unless they hope that you'll wipe a town power role or something)/
Why would you think that was why Pod was killed, given that you're still alive? You've also claimed an ability which might worry the scum (unless they hope that you'll wipe a town power role or something)/
Like I said, that's just the paranoid part of me. I was getting a bit tired of people bringing up the cult.
I approve of this push on Hawkeye. I am very tired of his use of the roleplaying stuff to avoid giving serious answers, and I think the time has come.
Giving serious answers to……….What?
Did someone ask a question?
Raf, are you sure you don’t want to commit yourself a little here?
I mean at least Fade voted for me.
You sure you don’t want to throw a vote on that push you so approve of?
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A quick check suggests only 4 people actually voted you (it felt like more tbh) and since you're baiting the extra vote I assume you don't have something like "-3 to lynch" going on you. vote Hawkeye then.
A quick check suggests only 4 people actually voted you (it felt like more tbh) and since you're baiting the extra vote I assume you don't have something like "-3 to lynch" going on you. vote Hawkeye then.
Raf, Raf, Raf, you did not answer my questions, Raf.
I approve of this push on Hawkeye. I am very tired of his use of the roleplaying stuff to avoid giving serious answers, and I think the time has come.
Giving serious answers to……….What?
Did someone ask a question?
Raf, are you sure you don’t want to commit yourself a little here?
I mean at least Fade voted for me.
You sure you don’t want to throw a vote on that push you so approve of?
I see you voted though. Very good.
It makes it look a little better to vote for me at this point then to appear like you are just trying to push a wagon without a real case or adding any substance to it.
You know, just like you tried to do.
To answer your question, it does not matter.
Anyone who wants to vote for me is more then welcome. I just hope that they will have the good taste to give substantive reasons or a case when they do. You know, go on record and actually post something we can actually work with.
Raf, how about you, you know, posting some reasons or better yet a real case?
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As Hawkeye wishes. For the exact same reason I gave yesterday (that is, he seems to be the source of the mandatory roleplaying bug that's going around [this also seems to give the impression of bad things if you decline to oblidge it]). Vote: Hawkeye
As for the lack of smily, and still being alive: I didn't mention this yesterday because I was hoping to draw the mafia kill last night. Unfortunately, Cyan happened to hammer before I could get back and post a smily in a hammering post. I've been busy with college lately (seeing as how I moved back in this past Friday), which is why I wasn't able to check the thread as much as I wanted. Anyway, part of the conditions of my "disappearance" on Day 2 was that my software becomes reformatted (which I sort of tried to provide flavor for on my way back), and I'm now essentially a vanilla townie. *pout*
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
My night abilities to choose from are: supercop (I get a player's name and role), doc, vig, and roleblock.
My -2 drawback comes from the grin emoticon. I have to use it once per day or be modkilled and once I use it, I'm at -2 to lynch.
He more or less confirmed the supercop bit by investigating and outing Kraj as Agent Smith, Cult Leader
He then apparently dodged a daykill, but now claims that in doing so he became vanilla, so we can't confirm the rest of his claim.
cp appears to be pointing out that all we have confirmed on atlseal is that he has is an investigator who gets name and role (as mafia cops tend to do) and that he has daykill protection of some sort (both of which are conceivable on a mafia), and of course he now has a conveniently timed excuse not to use the rest of his claimed jack of all trades abilities or to keep up with the smiley emoticon restriction thingy.
There is no 'sibling' relationship between Axelrod and myself. He is..whatever he is, and I'm a bodyguard. We can't speak at night, our death's aren't tied, except in the sense that I have to die twice before he can be killed.
I will assume he was a nightcop and not a daycop, otherwise http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=2089603#post2089603 would look really bad for Xyre. But if that was a daycop result, you'd expect Pod to have followed up after day 1 more than he did, much less eventually decide Xyre was looking more pro-town.
Day 2: Pod's only posts were right at the end of the day (with 11 votes on Kraj, no less) and didn't show any sign of any breadcrumb (some mild suspicion of fade as a recruited scum, but that followed on from the discussion at the time).
Day 3: Pod opens with his stream-of-consciousness of day 2: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=2150152&postcount=1989
I can't pick up any subclaimed investigations. He says he'll vote for either me or loran.
Still speculates about fade being cult, wishes ZDS had been vigged already (following on from day 1 where Pod had been in favour of vigging ZDS), and makes the note I think I made too at some point about LJ's death- someone was very gutsy to do that directly after LJ claimed that something bad would happen to people who killed him (at the risk of being called obsessed, the guy with absolutely nothing to lose by killing LJ then... was Cyan...)
Pod agrees with Grakthis that if loran is scum, Hawkeye is town. I don't entirely agree with that assessment of loran's playstyle though.
Pod was generally satisfied with atlseal, but I do note the following quote as a proviso on that:
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He could also just be a kill-resistant rolecop mafioso, I guess, which isn't too implausible, but there's a couple of weaknesses in that theory too, plus it means that when we ask him to test the other abilities he is meant to have, he will be unable to do so, then we'll have him regardless.
and... atlseal now claims he has been unable since the daykill attempt to have been unable to test the other abilities he is meant to have.
The rest of the day is a lot of shorter posts without any indications I can see of any investigations. What's particularly interesting is how willing Pod was to talk about using the Smith avatar and seeing if he would be "swallowed up by the void". For a cop, he seemed pretty unconcerned about accidentally screwing himself up.
Pod did pursue loran but gave every indication of not being 100% certain about it (e.g. no tells to show he had investigated him). He also continued to prod at the possibility of fade being still cult.
Pod did also near the end of the day post this list of his most likely scum candidates:
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Neutral 3. Fadeblue 6. J-Effe IV (Replacing Wizzpig) (I'm leaning town, though I have newbie reservations. If he has a claim that can clear him, all the better.) 12. Xyre (leaning town) 10. Abbeygargoyle 16. Carrion Pigeons (read-up pending)
Unvote ZDS : mason + the first PBPA on Loran16 are things I missed and that clear him way enough.
Yes, I agree. I don't think ZDS was bussing at all (and while I remember- any good watcher results ZDS?).
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AbbeyGargoyle's PBPA on Loran16, on the other ahnd, says : "well, the case isn't so bad but I'll keep my vote still. Let's remain open to the possibility of Loran16 being town though". Added to a general lack of content and considering that this happened when he was pushed.
Noted.
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I also noted that Fade is apparently the vanilla-er. I should mention here that the way it happened was a hand plunged into my back, reprogramming me, very Smith-like.
When did Fade claim this ability and more importantly : when was atlseal vanilla'd and when was Fade recruited exactly ?
fade claims to have been recruited night 1, the same night atlseal investigated Kraj.
atlseal claims to have been made vanilla in the middle of day 2, AFTER he outed Kraj as cult and AFTER fade claimed to be the recruited nullifier. atl said that it was part of the process of him surviving the daykill attempt- a different description to your description of being made vanilla.
atl: so if you were vanilla'd already, what was up with that coded message you left in the thread earlier? Also, could you explain this post:
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Alright, I would have thought it was obvious as to why I wasn't killed yesterday due to lack of smile. Once I disappeared, I was no longer part of the game at that point. This is also why I couldn't do anything last night. In this regard, I'll also say that nothing happens in limbo.
Actually, that makes me want to ask Az something about what happened. I may have been making a false assumption...
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- Grak apparently claimed an "ability that can remove the -2 to lynch disadvantage" : there is far less sense in such a distorted ability than in simply a Mafia guy reducing the number of votes required for a lynch. I'd recommend vanilla-ing him. If the -2 to lynch disappears, that means Grak's ability is actually to axtivate this disadvantage, not to counter it, meaning SCUM.
I am not entirely sure on this. However, I think Grak does need to say if he made either atl or you vanilla, and if he has tried to remove the drawback from someone (such as ZDS) yet. The existence of the "Smith avatar" method of removing vote drawbacks and either one or two "vanilla-izers" makes the ability to remove vote drawbacks look a bit redundant here.
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- Cyan : I don't see how the T800 claim really helps him. On the contrary, siblings often imply a scum and as Axelrod has no duty to protect Cyan, that doesn't really seem to clear Cyan at all, or am I missing something ?
They didn't claim siblings. But Cyan is not cleared, no (I can't see Axelrod as mafia after yesterday, which would imply Cyan is not mafia either due to making Axelrod so untouchable, but they could both be neutral- you can read my previous posts for the argument). However it doesn't appear that they're killing neutrals, so they don't worry me at this point.
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- CP : have CP's multi-votes actually ended up lynching someone.
The only lynch cp was on was the lynch of Hvir, but he was only on it with one vote.
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If not, once we agree on who to lynch today, I'd like CP to pile on the lynchee as much as he can and see if his votes are actually really taken into account. If so, that would clear him and, in my eyes, most likely burn Grak, whose role seems opposite or conflicting.
I don't quite see how cp and Grak's claims conflict.
Also, fade seems to know something about cp. He said at one point that the town needs to know that cp is not a true multivoter, and cp didn't to my recollection disagree with that.
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Atlseal : so, he is the unkillable cop, right ? If his drawback of few votes needed to lynch him, I guess the claim could float. I'm not sold, though, as it's not verifiable.
He didn't claim unkillable ever, but he did survive a daykill nonetheless.
He claimed the drawback of 2 fewer votes to lynch only existed after he used a emoticon (but that he had to use that each day at some point on pain of modkill). That was in concert with a claim of a Jack of all Trades with one-shot cop, one-shot vig etc (not permanent cop, permanent vig etc) He now claims the drawback has gone anyway together with the abilities.
Grakthis has not been playing like the Grak that I know and love on MT. He has been a lot different in playstyle than what I am used to. He has laid off the ad-homs and CAPSLOCK which he loves to abuse as both town and scum on MT. He certainly hasn't been as spam-tastic as we are used to seeing, and actually has been rather quiet. He hasn't really locked horns with anyone in the thread save loran in the beginning for the prolonged arguments that I am used to seeing him get into either. If I hadn't played a game with him on MS where he was like this, I would probably be voting for him now just because this is too weird not have something up.
That being said, he hasn't notably been giving off any of the classic tells that he gives off when he has a scum role. As scum, he will usually jump on the weakest player like a wolf jumps on a wounded deer (regardless of alignment, Grak will throw a scumbuddy under the bus in a heartbeat). He has stated several times that his main goal as scum is to point out as many powerroles as he can before he dies so he will try to get as many as possible to come out. The only notable instance of him doing something like that was in post 479 where he was for the 2nd mason coming out.
This conflicting signals from Grak are what have me still largely neutral on him. If you put a gun to my head and asked me that question, I would lean towards him being scum at this point, but I do not feel confident at all about it as it is mostly a gut sensation.
..... He hasn't really locked horns with anyone in the thread save loran in the beginning for the prolonged arguments that I am used to seeing him get into either.
Your definition of "locking horns" seems to be different from mine. What about his prolonged arguments with Sutherlands and Cyan on day 1?
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and doc, this role is a tree that's been cut down. don't let the mafia take it away!
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Do us all a favor and don't. If the cult has managed to pull through, you're giving them every reason to target you. We need to know that the cult is gone, and we won't be able to do that if you use ther avatar.
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1 Abbeygargoyle-Alx2
2 Hawkeye7- Carrion Pigeons, Atlseal
10 Loran16- Abbeygargoyle, Grakthis, J-effe, Axelrod, Dagger, ZDS, Charm Master, Vampyr, Spoon, Cyan
6 Not Voting- Fadeblue, Pod, Rafaelk, Loran16, Xyre, Hawkeye7
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The town gathers around Loran16, tensed and ready. He backs against the wall, his trench coat swaying loosely with every step.
As you draw near, a few of you hear a faint whisper slip from his throat.
"So it looks like I'm alone, after all."
With that, he reaches deep into his coat with one hand and turns his back to the crowd, whirling around. The town's weapons roar, peppering his body and the glass with metal, sending fragments everywhere. But in one smooth movement Loran completes his spin and pulls a battered, bullet-ridden skateboard from behind his back, slides it across the floor towards the exit, flips himself over the tightening ring of attackers and lands squarely on the skateboard, propelling himself down the steps.
As he leaps them, he retrieves a pair of Uzis from the depths of his trench coat and sends bullets spraying into the crowd behind him.
The town gives chase, as he picks up ever-increasing speed, soaring down the spiralling corridors of the mall, hopping over corpses and debris, and dodging the hail of bullets ricocheting around him as best he can while his Uzis spit metal indiscriminately towards the following crowd. Within sixty seconds, he has rolled out of sight several levels below, but not without leaving a long trail of spattered blood in his wake.
As the crowd continues to follow him to the lower levels, reloading weapons and bandaging superficial wounds, Cyan grows impatient. In a burst of speed, he leaps onto the railing with one foot, then soars an impossibly long distance across the chasm in the middle of the mall to land three levels down, on the opposite side.
There, he stands in the path of Loran, as he rolls towards him at breakneck speed. They raise their weapons. Cyan is the first to fire, but Loran counters by leaping with the skateboard, raising it in front of him like a shield. As he begins to fall, he squeezes his triggers, but the shots are wild and off-center, and Cyan easily dodges them, moving like a snake.
The distance between them closes, and Cyan throws a clothesline for Loran's neck. Loran sees the move coming, and leaps again, trying to brush his arm aside. Cyan grunts with the impact, the momentum easily sending his arm flying backwards, but not without deflecting Loran's skateboard flying over the railing, chopping through the air end over end. Loran himself spins through the air towards the gap in the middle, desperately reaching for the railing, and barely managing to catch himself with a single hand. His weapons drop to the floor. He hangs there, struggling to pull himself up, his arm leaking rivulets of blood down the sleeve of his coat onto his face.
The rest of the town sprints forward to join Cyan, who walks to the edge of the railing, looking down on Loran16 with a grim expression. He raises a fist.
Loran16 snarls, spits blood onto Cyan's face, and lets go of the railing. "I BELIEEEEEEEEV-"
His defiant yell ends as he hits the checkerboard below.
The town makes the pilgrimage to the lowest level. All except Charmmaster, who takes the shortcut of plunging over the railing, eyes bulging out of his head, landing gracefully head-first on the increasingly bloody tile below. You suspect his replacement will show up before too long.
In the meantime, the town solemnly checks over Loran16's bullet-riddled body, looking for the truth. Abbeygargoyle reaches into his inside pocket, withdrawing a cell phone. After a moment, his face lights up, and he brandishes it for all to see.
Loran's phone is filled with messages from an anonymous source, detailing a concerted and determined plan to mislead and eliminate the town, piece by piece. There is an allusion to some sort of deal, between the two. As you read on, your faces darken with anger, and a savage, primal satisfaction fills the group. There can be no question that the town has achieved its first victory against its insurgent members. Loran16, The Kid, Mafia Permablocker, is dead.
The deadline for night actions is set four days from now, on August 21st, 11:00 AM EST. Night 3 has begun. Best of luck.
Living Players- 18/24
1. Spoon
2. Fadeblue
3. Rafaelk
4. Axelrod
5. J-Effe IV (Replacing Wizzpig)
6. Hawkeye7
7. Grakthis
8. Alx2
9. Abbeygargoyle
10. Cyan
11. Xyre
12. ZDS
13. Pod
14. Vampyr
15. Carrion Pigeons
16. Dagger
17. Puzzle (replacing Charmmaster3125, replacing Sorryguy, replacing Sutherlands, replacing H_C, replacing MJM, replacing Sutherlands)
18. Atlseal
Replacements- 5
1. PDog Crusader
2. Puzzle
3. Niv-Mizzet
4. Silent Prophet
5. Kops
In Limbo
1. Hunted_Charlie
2. Sutherlands
3. Chamber
4. Charmmaster3125
The Dead-7
0. Dwight McCarthy, Townie Mod Persona. Bled to death near an alley, night zero.
1. Arimnaes, Agent Gray, Townie Detention Specialist. Shot from behind, day one.
2. Hvirfilvindr, Alice, Townie Reflector. Lost her head, day one.
3. LJustus, Sati, Townie Sacrificial Lamb. Bitted and drained, night one.
4. Kraj, The Program Formerly Known as Agent Smith. Blown away day two.
5. DYH, Peter Silberman, Townie Shrink. Cracked for good, day three.
6. Loran16, The Kid, Mafia Permablocker. Bailed out on day three.
Adding to the misery is the ruined glass roof of the building. Water poured through the shattered holes, running over the glass, accumulating, and finally rolling down the steps towards the bottom levels in a long, trickling waterfall. The rain didn't stop with the arrival of morning, or what passed for morning in this twilight murk. But there's one good thing about the rain and the damp: the blood is finally being washed away.
And as you soon discover, there's plenty of fresh blood to be washed.
You find Pod, aka Private Detective Ash, Townie Cop, on the 13th floor. There is a gaping wound around his ankle, and his body is covered with superficial scratches. His gun lies just a few feet from his right hand with a full clip of bullets, the hand itself is almost severed. Around his neck, you find two deep puncture wounds. He lies in a pool of his own blood, which the rain water is only beginning to dilute. It rolls past him, and down the steps with an added tint of pink. He's pale as a fish's belly.
Day 4 of Matrix Mafia has begun. With 17 alive, it's 9 to lynch.
Now that the alignments of Loran and DYH are known, the entire thing he had with DYH (just as the heat on Loran was getting intense) looks like a scumbuddy running interference for Loran.
Two things to be done: (1) Go back over Loran, who he voted for and who voted for him, and why. (2) Check Pod, did he crumb anything. I'm guessing he must have, leading the scum to figure out he was a Cop, but I have no idea who he might have investigated right now. It also could have just been a lucky shot, I suppose, but I don't see where Pod was so in the clear/threatening that the scum would have picked him over anyone else.
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I pointed yesterday that Hawkeye7 could be mafia, seeing neither of the wagons were growing (scum weren't going to help us). I think I'm gonna vote him, but Alx2 seems a nice alternative.
Pod's posting was pretty solid most of the game. If you're the SK, he's a pretty logical target.
Well, Loran had been my #1 target for several days, so Vote: Dagger till I have a chance to really dig deeper. My lack of any kind of real notes on him is troubling.
Hawkeye looks better as a target with each passing day. Vote Hawkeye again.
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Xyre: Were you able to act last night?
Grak: I think we've pretty much established that the SK is the daykiller. Under that theory, Pod was killed by the Mafia (that's not to say that the Mafia didn't kill him for the same reason).
I'll have to look over Pod's posts as well. There's probably something there that the Mafia was able to detect. Though the paranoid part of me believes it may have also been because Pod expressed interest in using the Smith avatar, and the Mafia may be trying to keep the town distracted by the possibility of the cult still being around.
Tentatively, I also want to say that Xyre and ZDS are probably clear based on reactions with loran. To some extent, Cyan and Axel as well. However, these are all pending review; I don't want to make too many assumptions at the moment.
Also possibly of interest (I haven't looked over them yet): loran's incomplete analysis of the players, starting from the top:
#539 - Spoon, me, DYH
#699 - Raf, Axel
I believe he stopped there.
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Ya got's ta let it in.
"Somebody help me! I'm being spontaneous!"
You sure you're not being suspicious?
WELLLLLLLL, that's hardly for me to say. I'll leave that to my admirers to decide.
Oh Cyan..............
Remember, you can't get any further away before you start coming back.
But only if you want to find it, the truth that is.
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Am I to take that as an accusation? Because, as mafia, it doesn't exactly make a whole lot of sense for me to fearmonger about the cult by 1) requesting that nobody do anything that would allow me to fearmonger, and 2) killing the person most likely to ignore me.
If you're going to accuse me of being mafia due to my association with Pod, at least make a case that is at least consistent. Maybe you could assume that the mafia need people to not use the Smith avatar for some reason, for example. That's consistent. Nonsensical and purely speculative, but consistent.
Anyway, I'm not thrilled with the HE7 wagon before we even know what's going on with atl. We ought to be hearing from him first.
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Though your fierce reaction to my comment seems rather odd, given that I hadn't referenced you at all.
I approve of this push on Hawkeye. I am very tired of his use of the roleplaying stuff to avoid giving serious answers, and I think the time has come.
I am also +1 suspicious of the rotating role due to CharmMaster's attempt to direct the doc.
Grak- I too find it very unlikely that Dagger is scum, so I'm agreeing with Cyan on something. This is a combination of what I believe Dagger's role to be from the earlier hints and the fact that Dagger's analysis has seemed sincere (even if I don't agree with it all).
And finally, obviously we need to hear from atl about his smiley thing.
I think that's all my comments for now.
Why would you think that was why Pod was killed, given that you're still alive? You've also claimed an ability which might worry the scum (unless they hope that you'll wipe a town power role or something)/
Like I said, that's just the paranoid part of me. I was getting a bit tired of people bringing up the cult.
Alrighty then,
That’s a one, and a two!
Giving serious answers to……….What?
Did someone ask a question?
Raf, are you sure you don’t want to commit yourself a little here?
I mean at least Fade voted for me.
You sure you don’t want to throw a vote on that push you so approve of?
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A quick check suggests only 4 people actually voted you (it felt like more tbh) and since you're baiting the extra vote I assume you don't have something like "-3 to lynch" going on you. vote Hawkeye then.
Psst. You forgot your votecount.
Raf, Raf, Raf, you did not answer my questions, Raf.
I see you voted though. Very good.
It makes it look a little better to vote for me at this point then to appear like you are just trying to push a wagon without a real case or adding any substance to it.
You know, just like you tried to do.
To answer your question, it does not matter.
Anyone who wants to vote for me is more then welcome. I just hope that they will have the good taste to give substantive reasons or a case when they do. You know, go on record and actually post something we can actually work with.
Raf, how about you, you know, posting some reasons or better yet a real case?
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As for the lack of smily, and still being alive: I didn't mention this yesterday because I was hoping to draw the mafia kill last night. Unfortunately, Cyan happened to hammer before I could get back and post a smily in a hammering post. I've been busy with college lately (seeing as how I moved back in this past Friday), which is why I wasn't able to check the thread as much as I wanted. Anyway, part of the conditions of my "disappearance" on Day 2 was that my software becomes reformatted (which I sort of tried to provide flavor for on my way back), and I'm now essentially a vanilla townie. *pout*
But even taking that into consideration, I find Hawkeye to be a better target.
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1 Alx2-ZDS
1 Dagger-Grakthis
6 Hawkeye7- Alx2, Cyan, Xyre, Fadeblue, Rafaelk, Atlseal
1 ZDS-Puzzle
8Not Voting- Hawkeye7, Carrion Pigeons, Abbeygargoyle, J-effe, Axelrod, Dagger, Vampyr, Spoon
With 17 alive, it's 9 to lynch.
Yet, I'm not sure whether I believe him at the moment, and I'm still waiting for ZDS.
He more or less confirmed the supercop bit by investigating and outing Kraj as Agent Smith, Cult Leader
He then apparently dodged a daykill, but now claims that in doing so he became vanilla, so we can't confirm the rest of his claim.
cp appears to be pointing out that all we have confirmed on atlseal is that he has is an investigator who gets name and role (as mafia cops tend to do) and that he has daykill protection of some sort (both of which are conceivable on a mafia), and of course he now has a conveniently timed excuse not to use the rest of his claimed jack of all trades abilities or to keep up with the smiley emoticon restriction thingy.
I will assume he was a nightcop and not a daycop, otherwise http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=2089603#post2089603 would look really bad for Xyre. But if that was a daycop result, you'd expect Pod to have followed up after day 1 more than he did, much less eventually decide Xyre was looking more pro-town.
Day 2: Pod's only posts were right at the end of the day (with 11 votes on Kraj, no less) and didn't show any sign of any breadcrumb (some mild suspicion of fade as a recruited scum, but that followed on from the discussion at the time).
Day 3: Pod opens with his stream-of-consciousness of day 2: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=2150152&postcount=1989
I can't pick up any subclaimed investigations. He says he'll vote for either me or loran.
Still speculates about fade being cult, wishes ZDS had been vigged already (following on from day 1 where Pod had been in favour of vigging ZDS), and makes the note I think I made too at some point about LJ's death- someone was very gutsy to do that directly after LJ claimed that something bad would happen to people who killed him (at the risk of being called obsessed, the guy with absolutely nothing to lose by killing LJ then... was Cyan...)
Pod agrees with Grakthis that if loran is scum, Hawkeye is town. I don't entirely agree with that assessment of loran's playstyle though.
Pod was generally satisfied with atlseal, but I do note the following quote as a proviso on that:
and... atlseal now claims he has been unable since the daykill attempt to have been unable to test the other abilities he is meant to have.
The rest of the day is a lot of shorter posts without any indications I can see of any investigations. What's particularly interesting is how willing Pod was to talk about using the Smith avatar and seeing if he would be "swallowed up by the void". For a cop, he seemed pretty unconcerned about accidentally screwing himself up.
Pod did pursue loran but gave every indication of not being 100% certain about it (e.g. no tells to show he had investigated him). He also continued to prod at the possibility of fade being still cult.
Pod did also near the end of the day post this list of his most likely scum candidates:
Yes, I agree. I don't think ZDS was bussing at all (and while I remember- any good watcher results ZDS?).
Noted.
fade claims to have been recruited night 1, the same night atlseal investigated Kraj.
atlseal claims to have been made vanilla in the middle of day 2, AFTER he outed Kraj as cult and AFTER fade claimed to be the recruited nullifier. atl said that it was part of the process of him surviving the daykill attempt- a different description to your description of being made vanilla.
atl: so if you were vanilla'd already, what was up with that coded message you left in the thread earlier? Also, could you explain this post:
I am not entirely sure on this. However, I think Grak does need to say if he made either atl or you vanilla, and if he has tried to remove the drawback from someone (such as ZDS) yet. The existence of the "Smith avatar" method of removing vote drawbacks and either one or two "vanilla-izers" makes the ability to remove vote drawbacks look a bit redundant here.
They didn't claim siblings. But Cyan is not cleared, no (I can't see Axelrod as mafia after yesterday, which would imply Cyan is not mafia either due to making Axelrod so untouchable, but they could both be neutral- you can read my previous posts for the argument). However it doesn't appear that they're killing neutrals, so they don't worry me at this point.
The only lynch cp was on was the lynch of Hvir, but he was only on it with one vote.
I don't quite see how cp and Grak's claims conflict.
Also, fade seems to know something about cp. He said at one point that the town needs to know that cp is not a true multivoter, and cp didn't to my recollection disagree with that.
He didn't claim unkillable ever, but he did survive a daykill nonetheless.
He claimed the drawback of 2 fewer votes to lynch only existed after he used a
Yeah, and I did. I'm now out of spoons.
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I am very conflicted about Grakthis.
Grakthis has not been playing like the Grak that I know and love on MT. He has been a lot different in playstyle than what I am used to. He has laid off the ad-homs and CAPSLOCK which he loves to abuse as both town and scum on MT. He certainly hasn't been as spam-tastic as we are used to seeing, and actually has been rather quiet. He hasn't really locked horns with anyone in the thread save loran in the beginning for the prolonged arguments that I am used to seeing him get into either. If I hadn't played a game with him on MS where he was like this, I would probably be voting for him now just because this is too weird not have something up.
That being said, he hasn't notably been giving off any of the classic tells that he gives off when he has a scum role. As scum, he will usually jump on the weakest player like a wolf jumps on a wounded deer (regardless of alignment, Grak will throw a scumbuddy under the bus in a heartbeat). He has stated several times that his main goal as scum is to point out as many powerroles as he can before he dies so he will try to get as many as possible to come out. The only notable instance of him doing something like that was in post 479 where he was for the 2nd mason coming out.
This conflicting signals from Grak are what have me still largely neutral on him. If you put a gun to my head and asked me that question, I would lean towards him being scum at this point, but I do not feel confident at all about it as it is mostly a gut sensation.
Your definition of "locking horns" seems to be different from mine. What about his prolonged arguments with Sutherlands and Cyan on day 1?