That claim doesn't do it for me. I find it hard to believe that he knows nothing about it. Why wouldn't you ask the Mod if that was your role? Also, this is 'The Matrix'. It doesn't make alot of sense that a role would be able to go bouncing around to places in Wonderland. I think that Hvir is just trying to take advantage of the fact that the Cheshire Cat part of atlseal's role is believable.
The only thing I'm waiting for is confirmation from another player whose role has something to do with locations. My player ability only operates on characters who share a location with me. I suspect that the only other players who will end up using this mechanic will be other roles from Alice in Wonderland.
Now(sigh, stupid altered text color) you're saying that your 'player ability' only operates on characters that share a location with you. What player ability are you referring to here? If you mean the teleport thing, now you're saying that you can drag someone along with you, except that obviously they have to know something about these 'locations' in advance. That makes even less sense than your original claim, and to me, comes across as 'scumbuddy, back me up!'
You think there will be many roles from Alice in Wonderland in the game, then?
Well, either that, or I've been given a rather useless ability. I hardly expect someone from either Matrix or Terminator lore to show up at the Queen of Hearts' rose garden or the Mad Hatter and March Hare's unbirthday party.
The only thing I'm waiting for is confirmation from another player whose role has something to do with locations. My player ability only operates on characters who share a location with me. I suspect that the only other players who will end up using this mechanic will be other roles from Alice in Wonderland.
You just said that you pick a random location for youself every night. From anywhere in the Alice & Wonderland Stories. Now you're saying you have an ability that works if someone else just happens to be in the same location with you?
Isn't that virtually impossible?
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The only thing I'm waiting for is confirmation from another player whose role has something to do with locations. My player ability only operates on characters who share a location with me. I suspect that the only other players who will end up using this mechanic will be other roles from Alice in Wonderland.
And you're able to contact someone else in the game that isn't the game mod while not being a mason?
And now we're looking at definately 2, possibly 3, characters from the Wonderland world. And this is ontop of the 3 characters from the Terminator world.
Interesting.
@Axel: But if we're in the Matrix, is that not a virtual world? So wouldn't that mean there is a possibility?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
You just said that you pick a random location for youself every night. From anywhere in the Alice & Wonderland Stories. Now you're saying you have an ability that works if someone else just happens to be in the same location with you?
Isn't that virtually impossible?
Yes. Most likely, I'll need to coordinate locations with another player with this ability during the day, arranging to meet at a specific location at night so that my power can kick in.
I have been going back and forth in my mind about this. Here is my conclusion. Cyan has been hovering too close to a lynch for too long. He's said everything he can say and that's not good enough for most of the people voting him. Additionally, there are people like Loran hovering in the wings just waiting to pounce on him as soon as everyone tells him it's okay.
Are you sure he has said everything he can say?
He came up with new additions to his role repeatedly. Are you sure he was out of train stopping things to post?
I believe he's a mis-lynch. Now, I would argue against the lynch of anyone that I thought was a townie, but most times I don't have any actual information to back up the argument. It's just my opinion. In this case, however, I've got more. So the question is, is telling what I know in order to stop the lynch worth the risk of revealing said information to the scum? Considering the scum may very well have cued into this already, I believe it is.
I am John Connor, Townie Mentor.
Everything Cyan is saying is accurate. He knows my role. He has been given my backstory. He doesn't know my ability.
How do you know that he doesn't know your ability?
I do not see a realistic set of circumstances under which he's lying. Yes, it occurred to me when I got the role that there might be Terminators running around in this game, but I had no idea of the specifics. It occurred to me that someone might be "out" to get me specifically. But I don't actually think that anymore.
Why? The movies his character was drawn from were completely centered around that exact theme. A human who is very important to the survial of the human race, being singularly targetted for Termination by a Terminator Robot. Why do you think that this fundemental aspect of the character would not be carried over into this game?
At worst, there's possibly a Neutral role running around with a "Hit List" of sorts. But I do not believe such a role would be given information about my origins and my purpose. Not the way Cyan has described them. Would this hypothetical Hit-Man be given this kind of unnecessary background information for everyone on his "Hit List?" What a strange role PM that would be.
I agree that a single role with a "Hit List" of several names is unlikely, but why do you dismiss the theory of one or a couple of Nuetral Hit-men roles, each with a specific target?
I was not told anything about Cyan in my role PM. But his presense and his claim makes sense to me.
I would now appreciate it if everyone would cut out the totally pointless flavor arguments and lay off my bodyguard.
Thank you.
I'll say this, I unvoted Cyan exclusively as a result of you claim. It confirms part of Cyan's story but does nothing to address the alignment of his role or the fact that he has played in a clearly suspicious manner for nearly the entire game. His being forced to role claim and repeatedly add additional abilities, many suspicious, to that role claim AS WELL as your posting your role claim are entirely the result of his suspicous and poor play. In my opinion Cyan could have diffused that bandwagon any number of times by posting in a more reasonable manner.
If it walks like a skunk and sounds like a skunk and smells like a skunk, it is most likely a skunk. You have, effectively said that in this case you think what we have seen is likely not a skunk but a ferret with oddly colored fur.
I hope you can understand why I, for one, am still suspicous.
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I am still not in favor of lynching Ljustus right now unless we are forrced to look at him by a deadline and we have no other more viable targets.
I will be doing a re-read now to look at the #2-5 other suspects on my list.
The only thing I'm waiting for is confirmation from another player whose role has something to do with locations. My player ability only operates on characters who share a location with me. I suspect that the only other players who will end up using this mechanic will be other roles from Alice in Wonderland.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by locations?
Why did you not even hint at or ask about locations in the game?
I had on two occations inquired about what people thought about us needing to possibly move to another location. I don't recall anyone answering or even commenting.
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No, what I meant was that there doesn't seem to be any difference between going to the Mad Hatter and March Hare's unbirthday party and going to the trial of the Knave of Hearts since there isn't a fixed list of places I can visit.
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No, I can't teleport people. My player ability only functions on people who share a location with me in Wonderland. Since you're from Terminator lore, I doubt we'll be bumping heads anytime soon.
Yes. Most likely, I'll need to coordinate locations with another player with this ability during the day, arranging to meet at a specific location at night so that my power can kick in.
You still haven't answered:
1. Is "Alice" your complete role-name?
2. What are you doing in the Martix?
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2. Flavour of my role PM talks about me walking through Wonderland, then walking through a door into a world where everything is white. I'm hanging out with a bunch of strange creepy people, but I'm looking for the correct door home.
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Why did you believe Atlseal's claim so easily when he claimed a non-location changing Alice in wonderland role? As I intimated before, do you really think there are that many of you to support both a game theme mechanic plus some hangers on (like atlseal)?
I believed his role name, since the Cheshire Cat isn't a name you would normally expect to see in a Matrix-themed game, and yet he claimed a character that exists in the same world mine does.
O_O. Well, this is interesting. Incidentally, i cant imagine either atl or H-guy lying at this point unless they're BOTH scum, as atl claimed a alice-role first, and H-guy claimed the alice-role most likely to be in the game.
How they fit into this game, i got no idea...and h-guy's claimed abilities are so baffling....
H-guy, do you have a list of locations you can choose? Or is it just any you can think of from the book?
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Sorry, let me rephrase. I meant about their rolenames.
They could both be scum...though id suspect the cheshire cat more than Alice.
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H-guy, do you have a list of locations you can choose? Or is it just any you can think of from the book?
No, like I said earlier, there is no list given. As long as the location exists within either of the two Alice books, I can travel there at night. This is not an option; I MUST tell Azrael where I am travelling to next.
@HAWKEYE: I'm not sure who else mentioned locations earlier, but I know that I definitely mentioned moving from location to location when atlseal gave his roleclaim.
The only thing I'm waiting for is confirmation from another player whose role has something to do with locations. My player ability only operates on characters who share a location with me. I suspect that the only other players who will end up using this mechanic will be other roles from Alice in Wonderland.
Well, atlseal's claimed role doesn't, so you must be expecting a lot of roles from Alice in Wonderland.
How many votes were on hvir when he made this claim btw?
Does anyone find it deeply, deeply ironic that the two people running all over Hvir for how unlikely his role mechanic and flavour is, accusing him of changing his story etc... are Axel & Cyan? And that they have taken the opportunity to slip answering questions on why Cyan's story changed, why John Connor is here and town, etc?
I really do feel very good that those two are neutrals.
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And you're able to contact someone else in the game that isn't the game mod while not being a mason?
Second time in three days that you've tried to "create" a non-existent slip. You have to really twist to get that meaning from what Hvir said. Just as it was obvious that Cyan typod when he said "the Connors". Trying way too hard. I think I'm watching half the game at this point, but all the same- watching you.
I believe atlseal's role name, if not his alignment. I remain skeptical with regard to the jack-of-all-trades ability. Had you talked about shifting from location to location I would have probably have accepted your claim more readily.
Either he breadcrumbed it or he's seizing on some throwaway line he made about the Cheshire Cat (for whom shifting from place to place would make sense).
No, like I said earlier, there is no list given. As long as the location exists within either of the two Alice books, I can travel there at night. This is not an option; I MUST tell Azrael where I am travelling to next.
@HAWKEYE: I'm not sure who else mentioned locations earlier, but I know that I definitely mentioned moving from location to location when atlseal gave his roleclaim.
In the interest of saving time, can you point out this post or posts?
Only locations from the books? No real world locations-Detroit, London, Fiji? What about locations from the Matrix of Terminator movies?
I would like to hear from atlseal regarding this claim.
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In the interest of saving time, can you point out this post or posts?
Only locations from the books? No real world locations-Detroit, London, Fiji? What about locations from the Matrix of Terminator movies?
I would like to hear from atlseal regarding this claim.
No, specifically locations from within the two Wonderland books. No real world, Matrix or Terminator locations. Furthermore, had I been given the option of shifting to a Terminator movie location, I would have been far less suspicious of Cyan's earlier claim.
DYH: Maybe there are machines in the mafia, I don't know, but what I do know is that the mafia is not "the machines" as a group. Which is public knowledge anyway due to arimnaes. And hence Cyan's claim that "fighting the machines = town" is wrong, and was him making BS flavour arguments. Could you at least acknowledge that?
Second time in three days that you've tried to "create" a non-existent slip. You have to really twist to get that meaning from what Hvir said. Just as it was obvious that Cyan typod when he said "the Connors". Trying way too hard. I think I'm watching half the game at this point, but all the same- watching you.
The only thing I'm waiting for is confirmation from another player whose role has something to do with locations. My player ability only operates on characters who share a location with me. I suspect that the only other players who will end up using this mechanic will be other roles from Alice in Wonderland.
Ok, I had to do a double take as Raf comes out and accuses me of twisting stuff. I wasn't. I read the first sentence in H-guy's post as being in the present tense, something that he's waiting on now. There's nothing that indicates future tense in his sentence.
After being accused of supposedly twisting things, I re-read the sentence and now understand that it's not something occuring in the present, but something that H-guy needs to have happen in order to activate his ability.
I freely admit I'm in the wrong about what I said previously about H-guy and being a mason.
As for the thing with Cyan, it could have been a typo or it could have been a slip. I felt it was a legitimate thing to ask about, especially with the heavy scrutiny Cyan was under at the time.
Good job giving me crap as I'm trying not to miss anything, Raf. It's not like I'm took Cyan's or H-guy's words and turned it into a crusade against them. I asked a question with a bit of accusation againt Cyan. Against H-guy, yes I was more vocal about it, because it really did seem as if he was saying he was talking to someone in the present tense.
Watch me all you want, if you keep using examples such as these as ammunition against me, you've already made your mind up about me are just looking for an excuse to get a wagon going on me.
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I don't think that both of them claiming Alice roles is relevant now. If Hvir gets lynched and comes up scum, it makes Atlseal's claim look more valid. But honestly, I don't really doubt the Cheshire Cat aspect of his claim anyway..if he is faking that bit, he did a good job of being thorough and convincing.
I think that Hvir is just jumping on a non-matrix claim because it's harder to verify the validity of. But he has nothing to link him to atlseal's claim. As Axelrod stated, I clearly and correctly knew his backstory.
This claim stinks, severely. It's hilarious that I can claim bodyguard to John Connor and no one wants to believe it..but Hvir claims a role that makes no sense, has no verification and probably can't be verified, and no one seems to care. Then you combine this with the way he just threw the claim out there, like he just wanted to get it over with and see if people would believe it, plus the dodginess of his posting in general today, and to me, the most likely conclusion is that Hvir is scum, and is making up his claim entirely.
You must be aware that revealing my complete role name will also reveal what my night share-a-location-with-me ability does. Are you trying to out a power role under the pretense of verifying my claim?
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This claim stinks, severely. It's hilarious that I can claim bodyguard to John Connor and no one wants to believe it..but Hvir claims a role that makes no sense, has no verification and probably can't be verified, and no one seems to care. Then you combine this with the way he just threw the claim out there, like he just wanted to get it over with and see if people would believe it, plus the dodginess of his posting in general today, and to me, the most likely conclusion is that Hvir is scum, and is making up his claim entirely.
Your claim introduced an entire new line of potential characters from a different setting (Terminator) and you discouraged the role who could verify your claim from emerging. You can see how the other players backed down as soon as Axelrod revealed himself to be John Connor, thus verifying your claim.
atlseal got a similar reaction when he introduced himself as a character from the Alice setting. 'No one seems to care' seems to be a bit of an exaggeration - several players have voiced their disbelief.
I'm not entirely surprised by the response, since Alice as a character is quite removed from the game setting. On the other hand, up until now only LJustus has actually claimed a character from the actual Matrix-verse. All I'm waiting for is another player whose role deals with locations to come forward and verify that this is indeed an in-game mechanic, and not something that I made up.
I think that Hvir is just jumping on a non-matrix claim because it's harder to verify the validity of. But he has nothing to link him to atlseal's claim. As Axelrod stated, I clearly and correctly knew his backstory.
This claim stinks, severely. It's hilarious that I can claim bodyguard to John Connor and no one wants to believe it..but Hvir claims a role that makes no sense, has no verification and probably can't be verified, and no one seems to care. Then you combine this with the way he just threw the claim out there, like he just wanted to get it over with and see if people would believe it, plus the dodginess of his posting in general today, and to me, the most likely conclusion is that Hvir is scum, and is making up his claim entirely.
Oh, please. Sure, I'll grant that your backup in Axel's claim does your claim credit, but it is most definitely not clearance. Regardless, no one is claiming that Hvir shouldn't be under suspicion because Cheshire Cat seems to be in the game. The most anyone is saying is that he is likely not lying about his rolename, but even that is just people spouting first impressions, rather than actually thinking. But I mean, come on, Hvir claimed a role that no one believes, and will almost certainly be lynched today. Why are you acting all put upon?
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Are you of the opinion you've come across fairly pro-town this game?
Yes and no. No to my play before my interaction with Spoon. Yes for afterwards. And it's twice now that Raf has thrown one of these "Oh btw way, I'm watching you" side thoughts at me. His last one was my supposed Freudian slip of using a criminial in my analogy. It's just tiresome to have the snide comments directed at me. If he has some sort of accusation to level at me, I'm right here. I'm not hiding. I'm posting when I see something. Of course, that's then used against me as me "twisting" things.
Regardless, no one is claiming that Hvir shouldn't be under suspicion because Cheshire Cat seems to be in the game. The most anyone is saying is that he is likely not lying about his rolename, but even that is just people spouting first impressions, rather than actually thinking. But I mean, come on, Hvir claimed a role that no one believes, and will almost certainly be lynched today. Why are you acting all put upon?
You may have 3 votes, but nobody elected you town spokesman. atlseal hasn't responded yet, and I'm still waiting for another location-based player to say something.
Yes and no. No to my play before my interaction with Spoon. Yes for afterwards.
Just as a side note, I feel similarly.
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I had on two occations inquired about what people thought about us needing to possibly move to another location. I don't recall anyone answering or even commenting.
I'd like to see if Hawkeye has anything more to say on this issue before voting Hvir, but if not, Hvir's claim is just bad.
To answer about my last post : a way for me to find scum is to look at players who act just like townies, I mean vanilla townies : they are not likely to act as they have a power role. Some may be trying to hide/lurk though, and Hvir was way silent before his weird claim. I really don't understand why he claimed with like 4 votes on him, and then again, this claim just doesn't sound right. I didn't believe atlseal's claim, and Hvir's is far worse. I'm not bringing anything new, it just seems simply made up. We might not need LJ's investigation today, after all.
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Maybe Hawkeye will prove us wrong, but I think he would already have said something if he had to.
TI really don't understand why he claimed with like 4 votes on him, and then again, this claim just doesn't sound right. I didn't believe atlseal's claim, and Hvir's is far worse.
My ability only works on characters who share a location with me - I jumped to the conclusion that there must be more characters from Alice in Wonderland from among the roles.
Alice is the title character in her series - you wouldn't expect her to be omitted on a list of characters, if Alice in Wonderland characters was a running sub-theme. As such, I saw no harm in showing my hand.
I need another character to coordinate travel plans with me if I'm going to use my ability tonight. Keeping silent about my ability renders it practically useless.
You must be aware that revealing my complete role name will also reveal what my night share-a-location-with-me ability does. Are you trying to out a power role under the pretense of verifying my claim?
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there's no way you could think "Alice" and a vague ability could verify you. If the point of your claim was to verify you as a townie and get the bandwagon of your back, and you actually have more information about your weird ability (tbh I thought you were saying you didn't know what would happen?) then I think you do need to spill at this point. By your own admission, you need to arrange in thread to meet people at a particular location. No scum's going to speak up to arrange to intentionally meet with you anyway even if they can, out of fear that you're a cop or vig or something- I don't think there's going to be any damage at this point from releasing your full ability.
Awaiting that full claim and Hawkeye, since Hawkeye had mentioned locations as well.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there's no way you could think "Alice" and a vague ability could verify you.
I don't expect the verification to come from the role name - I expect it to come from either players who are also part of the Alice in Wonderland world, and from those who use locations in their role.
If the point of your claim was to verify you as a townie and get the bandwagon of your back, and you actually have more information about your weird ability (tbh I thought you were saying you didn't know what would happen?)
No, I didn't expect to be cleared just by claiming - I wanted to drag out the other players who use locations. I mean, we just saw what Cyan went through when he pulled out a Terminator character out on us. Why should I have expected the town to believe me without corroborating evidence (other than atlseal's claim, which is hardly rock solid)?
When I said that I didn't know what in-game influence the choice of locations had, I meant that I didn't know of any benefit/consequence of picking location A instead of location B.
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then I think you do need to spill at this point. By your own admission, you need to arrange in thread to meet people at a particular location. No scum's going to speak up to arrange to intentionally meet with you anyway even if they can, out of fear that you're a cop or vig or something- I don't think there's going to be any damage at this point from releasing your full ability.
Scum meeting up with me assumes that one or more members of the Mafia are part of Alice in Wonderland - I hadn't really considered that, but given Sin City Mafia, I guess anything is possible.
I want to see if any location-based players come out before I reveal my ability. Ultimately, I can't force them to show up at the same location as me if they're reluctant for me to activate my night ability.
I don't expect the verification to come from the role name - I expect it to come from either players who are also part of the Alice in Wonderland world, and from those who use locations in their role.
I want to see if any location-based players come out before I reveal my ability. Ultimately, I can't force them to show up at the same location as me if they're reluctant for me to activate my night ability.
I finally realized why I'm having such a problem with your claim, beyond the logistics of it requiring 3 rocket scientists, a physicist, a biologist, a catholic priest and 2 7-11 counter clerks for it to work. You say you claimed to avoid the situation Cyan went through. But to have your claim even remotely believed, you need someone else to step up and vouch for you. I dislike the idea that someone has to offer up any sort of role information, even if it's just to say "yes I'm from AiW or TtLG and I have location stuff in my PM."
Plus, if you hadn't been lurking then you wouldn't have drawn the attention you have, nor would you need to out someone else's role to keep your chestnuts off the open fire.
If someone was forced to claim and had the information you need to validate your role and then you came out, maybe, and I stress this, I could look past the need to align all eight or nine plansts and the sun in a line for your ability to work.
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Plus, if you hadn't been lurking then you wouldn't have drawn the attention you have, nor would you need to out someone else's role to keep your chestnuts off the open fire.
Even if he had been lurking, there was no reason for him to claim without being forced to...
You must be aware that revealing my complete role name will also reveal what my night share-a-location-with-me ability does. Are you trying to out a power role under the pretense of verifying my claim?
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Arimnaes was Agent Grey, Townie Detention Specialist. Do you know what he did?
Saying your title does not necessarily mean anything. If you are saying that in your case, it does, then fine. But this is hardly a basis for a vote, considering the oddness of your claim. Also, it rather looks like you have attatched a strawman to this argument, as Pod never said that he was trying to "verify" your claim. The question was reasonable and straightforward considering the circumstances.
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I personally HATE Hvir's claim. I have a VERY hard time believing there are that many non-Matrix roles in the game. I am interested to see what atlseal does with this as well.
I don't think that both of them claiming Alice roles is relevant now. If Hvir gets lynched and comes up scum, it makes Atlseal's claim look more valid. But honestly, I don't really doubt the Cheshire Cat aspect of his claim anyway..if he is faking that bit, he did a good job of being thorough and convincing.
I think that Hvir is just jumping on a non-matrix claim because it's harder to verify the validity of. But he has nothing to link him to atlseal's claim. As Axelrod stated, I clearly and correctly knew his backstory.
This claim stinks, severely. It's hilarious that I can claim bodyguard to John Connor and no one wants to believe it..but Hvir claims a role that makes no sense, has no verification and probably can't be verified, and no one seems to care. Then you combine this with the way he just threw the claim out there, like he just wanted to get it over with and see if people would believe it, plus the dodginess of his posting in general today, and to me, the most likely conclusion is that Hvir is scum, and is making up his claim entirely.
Here are my comments on HVIR's claim:
1) Mods love giving the PRIMARY role from a given source to the scum as a fakeclaim (or as a real role) while putting secondary roles from that source in the town. They LOVE IT. It's like crack to them.
2) But mods also love roles that do nothing except make them laugh. I've seen this in the form of a transformer role that transformed into something different each night, of the players choosing, but actually did nothing. I've seen it in the form of a character who was a "nerf gun, townie vig" who actually did nothing, and in pokemafia someone was Goldeen and each night they could "splash" another player, which did nothing.
3) Why in God's name did he roleclaim that fast? That makes no sense. It reads like scum who think their roleclaim is rock solid and will save them.
4) The fact that he limited the locations to ONLY locations in Alice and Wonderland makes no sense in terms of the Matrix. We know there can be legacy programs... but legacy locations? We've been given no hint that there are magical storybook worlds in the matrix. Magical CHARACTERS, yes.... we know there are legacy programs left behind that have abilities.... but every location in the matrix has been real world or backdoor between locations (in and out of the matrix, the hallway, the mainframe).
And nice ADD Omgus. Ignoring nearly the entirety of my in game posts to fire off one weak vote against your attacker for ludicrous reasons in an attempt to discredit him is tech.
If by "tech" you mean horribly scummy, yes, I totally concur.
Why is everyone looking at me? Oh, mmhmm, this deal with Alice. I see. No, I cannot travel from location to location. No, I don't believe he's Alice (for the reason Pod mentioned). No, the ability doesn't make any sense to me combined with him claiming when he did to try to work out locations with other players (which could have been done any number of other non-claiming ways).
All in all, this spells an easy
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Vote Hvir
to me.
@Pod: Thanks, there are definitely a number of names on that list that I wanted to inspect.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Something else: Atl claims 'Cheshire Cat', a legacy program designed to resemble the Cheshire Cat out of AoW.
Hvir claims Alice, the real Alice in wonderland, transported into the matrix (even aside from the fact flavourfully this is impossible, if you assume the matrix is real, which the flavour of this games seems to)
@DYH: Potayto Potarto.
Mind you, im less likely to treat flavor as a character judge at this point when it comes to the Alice and Terminator characters. It just seems attempting to use flavor there is going to confuse the hell out of everyone, which isnt helpful.
I still cant imagine hvir lying about his NAME being alice. But the location thing? I could see it if hvir had a set of locations, and he had to pick one per night. But having just a requirement that it be in the Alice/LookingGlass universe? I mean, if there WAS another person with a location ability, it would be nearly impossible to have them at the same location!
Vote Hvir. This puts him at 10, so -2 to lynch. I think h-guy should tell us his title now.
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I am agreeing with this lynch, and will put my vote on if we need it, but right now we don't.
One note, my role does mention a location and "going" to this location... but it is not in ANY WAY related to Alice in Wonderland. I have an outstanding question to the mod about "locations" in relation to my role, but I am pretty sure that the answer will not actually affect the likelyhood that Hvir is telling the truth.
But it's worth putting that out there on the off chance it is relevant.
EBWOP: I would still like for our 2nd mason to claim before the day ends. I know that is not popular, but if I end up using my ability on our mason and he turns out to be scum, it will not be good for either of us.
That claim doesn't do it for me. I find it hard to believe that he knows nothing about it. Why wouldn't you ask the Mod if that was your role? Also, this is 'The Matrix'. It doesn't make alot of sense that a role would be able to go bouncing around to places in Wonderland. I think that Hvir is just trying to take advantage of the fact that the Cheshire Cat part of atlseal's role is believable.
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Now(sigh, stupid altered text color) you're saying that your 'player ability' only operates on characters that share a location with you. What player ability are you referring to here? If you mean the teleport thing, now you're saying that you can drag someone along with you, except that obviously they have to know something about these 'locations' in advance. That makes even less sense than your original claim, and to me, comes across as 'scumbuddy, back me up!'
Well, either that, or I've been given a rather useless ability. I hardly expect someone from either Matrix or Terminator lore to show up at the Queen of Hearts' rose garden or the Mad Hatter and March Hare's unbirthday party.
You just said that you pick a random location for youself every night. From anywhere in the Alice & Wonderland Stories. Now you're saying you have an ability that works if someone else just happens to be in the same location with you?
Isn't that virtually impossible?
And you're able to contact someone else in the game that isn't the game mod while not being a mason?
And now we're looking at definately 2, possibly 3, characters from the Wonderland world. And this is ontop of the 3 characters from the Terminator world.
Interesting.
@Axel: But if we're in the Matrix, is that not a virtual world? So wouldn't that mean there is a possibility?
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Yes. Most likely, I'll need to coordinate locations with another player with this ability during the day, arranging to meet at a specific location at night so that my power can kick in.
Are you sure he has said everything he can say?
He came up with new additions to his role repeatedly. Are you sure he was out of train stopping things to post?
How do you know that he doesn't know your ability?
Why? The movies his character was drawn from were completely centered around that exact theme. A human who is very important to the survial of the human race, being singularly targetted for Termination by a Terminator Robot. Why do you think that this fundemental aspect of the character would not be carried over into this game?
I agree that a single role with a "Hit List" of several names is unlikely, but why do you dismiss the theory of one or a couple of Nuetral Hit-men roles, each with a specific target?
I'll say this, I unvoted Cyan exclusively as a result of you claim. It confirms part of Cyan's story but does nothing to address the alignment of his role or the fact that he has played in a clearly suspicious manner for nearly the entire game. His being forced to role claim and repeatedly add additional abilities, many suspicious, to that role claim AS WELL as your posting your role claim are entirely the result of his suspicous and poor play. In my opinion Cyan could have diffused that bandwagon any number of times by posting in a more reasonable manner.
If it walks like a skunk and sounds like a skunk and smells like a skunk, it is most likely a skunk. You have, effectively said that in this case you think what we have seen is likely not a skunk but a ferret with oddly colored fur.
I hope you can understand why I, for one, am still suspicous.
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I will be doing a re-read now to look at the #2-5 other suspects on my list.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by locations?
Why did you not even hint at or ask about locations in the game?
I had on two occations inquired about what people thought about us needing to possibly move to another location. I don't recall anyone answering or even commenting.
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No, what I meant was that there doesn't seem to be any difference between going to the Mad Hatter and March Hare's unbirthday party and going to the trial of the Knave of Hearts since there isn't a fixed list of places I can visit.
To Cyan:
No, I can't teleport people. My player ability only functions on people who share a location with me in Wonderland. Since you're from Terminator lore, I doubt we'll be bumping heads anytime soon.
You still haven't answered:
1. Is "Alice" your complete role-name?
2. What are you doing in the Martix?
1. No, it isn't.
2. Flavour of my role PM talks about me walking through Wonderland, then walking through a door into a world where everything is white. I'm hanging out with a bunch of strange creepy people, but I'm looking for the correct door home.
I believed his role name, since the Cheshire Cat isn't a name you would normally expect to see in a Matrix-themed game, and yet he claimed a character that exists in the same world mine does.
How they fit into this game, i got no idea...and h-guy's claimed abilities are so baffling....
H-guy, do you have a list of locations you can choose? Or is it just any you can think of from the book?
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Sorry, let me rephrase. I meant about their rolenames.
They could both be scum...though id suspect the cheshire cat more than Alice.
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No, like I said earlier, there is no list given. As long as the location exists within either of the two Alice books, I can travel there at night. This is not an option; I MUST tell Azrael where I am travelling to next.
@HAWKEYE: I'm not sure who else mentioned locations earlier, but I know that I definitely mentioned moving from location to location when atlseal gave his roleclaim.
Well, atlseal's claimed role doesn't, so you must be expecting a lot of roles from Alice in Wonderland.
How many votes were on hvir when he made this claim btw?
Does anyone find it deeply, deeply ironic that the two people running all over Hvir for how unlikely his role mechanic and flavour is, accusing him of changing his story etc... are Axel & Cyan? And that they have taken the opportunity to slip answering questions on why Cyan's story changed, why John Connor is here and town, etc?
I really do feel very good that those two are neutrals.
Second time in three days that you've tried to "create" a non-existent slip. You have to really twist to get that meaning from what Hvir said. Just as it was obvious that Cyan typod when he said "the Connors". Trying way too hard. I think I'm watching half the game at this point, but all the same- watching you.
Either he breadcrumbed it or he's seizing on some throwaway line he made about the Cheshire Cat (for whom shifting from place to place would make sense).
In the interest of saving time, can you point out this post or posts?
Only locations from the books? No real world locations-Detroit, London, Fiji? What about locations from the Matrix of Terminator movies?
I would like to hear from atlseal regarding this claim.
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Thanks for finding that post Raf.
I do want to hear from Atlseal even more now.
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No, specifically locations from within the two Wonderland books. No real world, Matrix or Terminator locations. Furthermore, had I been given the option of shifting to a Terminator movie location, I would have been far less suspicious of Cyan's earlier claim.
That I can agree on, yes.
Hvir's claim is awful, I'm happy with Pod.
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Ok, I had to do a double take as Raf comes out and accuses me of twisting stuff. I wasn't. I read the first sentence in H-guy's post as being in the present tense, something that he's waiting on now. There's nothing that indicates future tense in his sentence.
After being accused of supposedly twisting things, I re-read the sentence and now understand that it's not something occuring in the present, but something that H-guy needs to have happen in order to activate his ability.
I freely admit I'm in the wrong about what I said previously about H-guy and being a mason.
As for the thing with Cyan, it could have been a typo or it could have been a slip. I felt it was a legitimate thing to ask about, especially with the heavy scrutiny Cyan was under at the time.
Good job giving me crap as I'm trying not to miss anything, Raf. It's not like I'm took Cyan's or H-guy's words and turned it into a crusade against them. I asked a question with a bit of accusation againt Cyan. Against H-guy, yes I was more vocal about it, because it really did seem as if he was saying he was talking to someone in the present tense.
Watch me all you want, if you keep using examples such as these as ammunition against me, you've already made your mind up about me are just looking for an excuse to get a wagon going on me.
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I think that Hvir is just jumping on a non-matrix claim because it's harder to verify the validity of. But he has nothing to link him to atlseal's claim. As Axelrod stated, I clearly and correctly knew his backstory.
This claim stinks, severely. It's hilarious that I can claim bodyguard to John Connor and no one wants to believe it..but Hvir claims a role that makes no sense, has no verification and probably can't be verified, and no one seems to care. Then you combine this with the way he just threw the claim out there, like he just wanted to get it over with and see if people would believe it, plus the dodginess of his posting in general today, and to me, the most likely conclusion is that Hvir is scum, and is making up his claim entirely.
You must be aware that revealing my complete role name will also reveal what my night share-a-location-with-me ability does. Are you trying to out a power role under the pretense of verifying my claim?
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Your claim introduced an entire new line of potential characters from a different setting (Terminator) and you discouraged the role who could verify your claim from emerging. You can see how the other players backed down as soon as Axelrod revealed himself to be John Connor, thus verifying your claim.
atlseal got a similar reaction when he introduced himself as a character from the Alice setting. 'No one seems to care' seems to be a bit of an exaggeration - several players have voiced their disbelief.
I'm not entirely surprised by the response, since Alice as a character is quite removed from the game setting. On the other hand, up until now only LJustus has actually claimed a character from the actual Matrix-verse. All I'm waiting for is another player whose role deals with locations to come forward and verify that this is indeed an in-game mechanic, and not something that I made up.
Oh, please. Sure, I'll grant that your backup in Axel's claim does your claim credit, but it is most definitely not clearance. Regardless, no one is claiming that Hvir shouldn't be under suspicion because Cheshire Cat seems to be in the game. The most anyone is saying is that he is likely not lying about his rolename, but even that is just people spouting first impressions, rather than actually thinking. But I mean, come on, Hvir claimed a role that no one believes, and will almost certainly be lynched today. Why are you acting all put upon?
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Yes and no. No to my play before my interaction with Spoon. Yes for afterwards. And it's twice now that Raf has thrown one of these "Oh btw way, I'm watching you" side thoughts at me. His last one was my supposed Freudian slip of using a criminial in my analogy. It's just tiresome to have the snide comments directed at me. If he has some sort of accusation to level at me, I'm right here. I'm not hiding. I'm posting when I see something. Of course, that's then used against me as me "twisting" things.
Don't forget about ZDS and his claim of the Mason Dujour. I believe it was mentioned that that role is from Matrix.
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You may have 3 votes, but nobody elected you town spokesman. atlseal hasn't responded yet, and I'm still waiting for another location-based player to say something.
Yes, you're quite right. That was a genuine oversight.
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Just as a side note, I feel similarly.
I'd like to see if Hawkeye has anything more to say on this issue before voting Hvir, but if not, Hvir's claim is just bad.
Unvote, vote Hvirfilvindr.
Maybe Hawkeye will prove us wrong, but I think he would already have said something if he had to.
My ability only works on characters who share a location with me - I jumped to the conclusion that there must be more characters from Alice in Wonderland from among the roles.
Alice is the title character in her series - you wouldn't expect her to be omitted on a list of characters, if Alice in Wonderland characters was a running sub-theme. As such, I saw no harm in showing my hand.
I need another character to coordinate travel plans with me if I'm going to use my ability tonight. Keeping silent about my ability renders it practically useless.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there's no way you could think "Alice" and a vague ability could verify you. If the point of your claim was to verify you as a townie and get the bandwagon of your back, and you actually have more information about your weird ability (tbh I thought you were saying you didn't know what would happen?) then I think you do need to spill at this point. By your own admission, you need to arrange in thread to meet people at a particular location. No scum's going to speak up to arrange to intentionally meet with you anyway even if they can, out of fear that you're a cop or vig or something- I don't think there's going to be any damage at this point from releasing your full ability.
Awaiting that full claim and Hawkeye, since Hawkeye had mentioned locations as well.
Vamp- I had utterly forgotten that the criminal example was you, but thanks for reminding me
I don't expect the verification to come from the role name - I expect it to come from either players who are also part of the Alice in Wonderland world, and from those who use locations in their role.
No, I didn't expect to be cleared just by claiming - I wanted to drag out the other players who use locations. I mean, we just saw what Cyan went through when he pulled out a Terminator character out on us. Why should I have expected the town to believe me without corroborating evidence (other than atlseal's claim, which is hardly rock solid)?
When I said that I didn't know what in-game influence the choice of locations had, I meant that I didn't know of any benefit/consequence of picking location A instead of location B.
Scum meeting up with me assumes that one or more members of the Mafia are part of Alice in Wonderland - I hadn't really considered that, but given Sin City Mafia, I guess anything is possible.
I want to see if any location-based players come out before I reveal my ability. Ultimately, I can't force them to show up at the same location as me if they're reluctant for me to activate my night ability.
I am also interested in hearing atl's response for it.
@Hvir: Must it actually be a character from Alice in Wonderland or you can just take anyone with you?
Also, at the rate we are going though, we are going to run up half the town and force them all to claim. >_>
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I finally realized why I'm having such a problem with your claim, beyond the logistics of it requiring 3 rocket scientists, a physicist, a biologist, a catholic priest and 2 7-11 counter clerks for it to work. You say you claimed to avoid the situation Cyan went through. But to have your claim even remotely believed, you need someone else to step up and vouch for you. I dislike the idea that someone has to offer up any sort of role information, even if it's just to say "yes I'm from AiW or TtLG and I have location stuff in my PM."
Plus, if you hadn't been lurking then you wouldn't have drawn the attention you have, nor would you need to out someone else's role to keep your chestnuts off the open fire.
If someone was forced to claim and had the information you need to validate your role and then you came out, maybe, and I stress this, I could look past the need to align all eight or nine plansts and the sun in a line for your ability to work.
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Even if he had been lurking, there was no reason for him to claim without being forced to...
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I am John Connor, Townie Mentor. Do you think you know what I do?
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Saying your title does not necessarily mean anything. If you are saying that in your case, it does, then fine. But this is hardly a basis for a vote, considering the oddness of your claim. Also, it rather looks like you have attatched a strawman to this argument, as Pod never said that he was trying to "verify" your claim. The question was reasonable and straightforward considering the circumstances.
How the votecount stood when Hvir claimed:
I personally HATE Hvir's claim. I have a VERY hard time believing there are that many non-Matrix roles in the game. I am interested to see what atlseal does with this as well.
Here are my comments on HVIR's claim:
1) Mods love giving the PRIMARY role from a given source to the scum as a fakeclaim (or as a real role) while putting secondary roles from that source in the town. They LOVE IT. It's like crack to them.
2) But mods also love roles that do nothing except make them laugh. I've seen this in the form of a transformer role that transformed into something different each night, of the players choosing, but actually did nothing. I've seen it in the form of a character who was a "nerf gun, townie vig" who actually did nothing, and in pokemafia someone was Goldeen and each night they could "splash" another player, which did nothing.
3) Why in God's name did he roleclaim that fast? That makes no sense. It reads like scum who think their roleclaim is rock solid and will save them.
4) The fact that he limited the locations to ONLY locations in Alice and Wonderland makes no sense in terms of the Matrix. We know there can be legacy programs... but legacy locations? We've been given no hint that there are magical storybook worlds in the matrix. Magical CHARACTERS, yes.... we know there are legacy programs left behind that have abilities.... but every location in the matrix has been real world or backdoor between locations (in and out of the matrix, the hallway, the mainframe).
If by "tech" you mean horribly scummy, yes, I totally concur.
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Good catch on the program vs. real claim differential, also.
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All in all, this spells an easy
Unvote
Vote Hvir
to me.
@Pod: Thanks, there are definitely a number of names on that list that I wanted to inspect.
1. Loran162. Spoon3. Fadeblue
4. DYH5. Rafaelk6. Axelrod7. J-Effe IV (Replacing Wizzpig)8. Hawkeye79. Athos
10. LJustus11. Grakthis12. Alx213. Abbeygargoyle14. Cyan15. Xyre
16. ZDS17. Pod18. Vampyr19. Atlseal20. Carrion Pigeons21. Hvir22. Dagger23. Sutherlands
There's four people left.
That's 10. I'm interested in his full ability claim, but frankly speaking, I don't see even that swaying me.
Mind you, im less likely to treat flavor as a character judge at this point when it comes to the Alice and Terminator characters. It just seems attempting to use flavor there is going to confuse the hell out of everyone, which isnt helpful.
I still cant imagine hvir lying about his NAME being alice. But the location thing? I could see it if hvir had a set of locations, and he had to pick one per night. But having just a requirement that it be in the Alice/LookingGlass universe? I mean, if there WAS another person with a location ability, it would be nearly impossible to have them at the same location!
Vote Hvir. This puts him at 10, so -2 to lynch. I think h-guy should tell us his title now.
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Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
One note, my role does mention a location and "going" to this location... but it is not in ANY WAY related to Alice in Wonderland. I have an outstanding question to the mod about "locations" in relation to my role, but I am pretty sure that the answer will not actually affect the likelyhood that Hvir is telling the truth.
But it's worth putting that out there on the off chance it is relevant.
Man... the way you phrased this is scummy as all hell.
"if my scum buddy thinks this is a good gambit, he should stick his neck out. If he doesn't, hush up."