Azrael> The self-quotes in that last post made no sense to me.
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Hi all, I am the ADD kid, once per game I can shuffle peoples roles. YAY.
@Xyre: THERE WAS NO FORTH FAN! Thats the point of the role, the entire game they were looking for the 4th fan, and never found him. Its been a joke around here ever since, and definitly deserves to be in this game.
Several things :
1) As fun as it would be, I doubt this game's version of the role can be used to obtain an instant town win.
2) You are implying we should full-mass claim, aren't you ?
3) Since it doesn't change alignments, it's a fair (or even powerful) ability for scums, and somewhat random for town.
4) Considering all of the above ( 1) in particular), how is it the right time to claim ?
This is borderline fishing ("Az, did someone try to kill you in your sleep ?")
It means it's much less interesting for the town to use it.
Sorry. I assumed you wanted to use your ability at some point in the game.
Can you answer to my point ?
Without the alignment-changing, this ability fits scums better than town.
Why are you so concerned about being vigged ?
If you are positive we will get rid today of any scum-role which could mess with the plan (roleblocker, unstoppable killer, etc), and are positive that giving the doc/cop/vig/whatever to the scums won't result in a massive backfire, then sure, why not. Otherwise, this is a Bad Idea™.
Emphasis is on the previous sentence. FoS : RafaelK
Hunted Charlie already explained his role yesterday morning. He has an ability which he can only use if he never fails to follow his PR.
Raf's accusation in #531 is Bad. It's like he took random bits from Hunted Charlie's last post and replied to them with random words with no meaning ("omg he says he doesn't want CPE vigged when he said earlier he didn't find him scummy ! backpedal ! and he says he didn't notice a post he couldn't have noticed before ! insincere !").
I'm in favor of a No Lynch today, and then having Xyre vig CPE. (ie : the vig replaces the lynch)
Thus, the Xyre vigging CPE plan sounds pretty good to me now. Xyre vigging RafaelK actually sounds pretty good too, but since I haven't fully decided between RafaelK and Bateleur, I don't think we should do that right now.
You are both against my vig-instead-of-lynch plan, and against the lynch+vig plan.
Now, what else who'd you want ? That we never get to verify your scumbuddy's claim ?
Each player Quotes his role PM, then copy-pastes the result into a text file. He saves that file. He then uses a free program to generate an MD5 hash for that file, and posts it in this thread.
Why would I counterclaim? I was very suspicious of Xyre yesterday, but there was no particular reason to counterclaim.
This kind of shot for the sake of trying to add suspicion is why I'm on the verge of locking you in with bat and HC as scum #3. I suppose once they die and come up scum, you'll be a very obvious 3rd choice.
I feel that this "no lynch" plan has a major weakness in that it practically guarantees two dead townies and no dead scum when we wake up in the morning. I don't see what the point is of no lynching and vigging cpe. The coded claiming part I get. The "no lynch and vig cpe" part I don't get. That part seems to be the legacy of HC wanting to lynch someone AND vig cpe, then being called out on the fact that he was trying to set up an instant mafia victory.
There is a particularly big weakness also, in that if the mafia do turn out to have a roleblock available and they roleblock cpe, we wake up with two dead people and NO additional information whatsoever. This is what I call "too good for the mafia not to be mafia". And bat is too good to have missed this if he was actually legit evaluating the plan.
#14 : Random. #18 : Random. #56 : Random. #98 : Some remark about Charles. I don't exactly get it. #171 : Anti anti-lurking politics, same remark as before about Charles, I still don't get it (probably some kind of American-only speech). #182 : Same. Remarks Charles is going to be lynched Day 1, like every time. #234 : Explains the previous string of posts. #269 : Random. #274 : Explains his views about lurking. #348 : Believes Xyre's claim. Votes CP without a reason (he bandwagons Bateleur's baseless vote in #329). #350 : Calls out Pigeon for fishing. #353 : In hindsight, this post is actually very relevant. Go read it. #407 : Bandwagons Kenji. #439 : Waiting for Kenji. #469 : Re-votes Kenji (who is already condemned by his claim at this point).
Day 1 analysis : Lots and lots of active lurking. He never commited to a non-wagonny opinion, except with his stance about lurking (how ironic), which is of little relevance to the game. That's all there is to say, unfortunately.
#494 : Claims, in a jokingly manner. #498 : First mention of "it was the right timing", no explanation. #507 : Asks for reminder about Hunted Charlie. Claims his role doesn't shuffle alignments. #523 : Long post. To sum it up : he disagrees that his role is broken (though he's not very talkative when it comes to explanations), but agrees it helps the scums. Doesn't want to be vigged, won't explain why he claimed now (because he can't), and says he won't fire his ability. #525 : Probable hint at a claiming restriction. (maybe he has to claim piece by piece ?) #542 : Another long post. This time his ability will benefit the town (did I get #523 wrong ?). He's still against Xyre using his vig, and won't use his ability until later. #569 : OMGUSes Bate and me. Can someone explain this to me : "Because it doesnt shuffle alignments, there can be a vig, he just stays with the town always. " ? Because I frankly don't get it. The roles are shuffled, or are they not ?
Day 2 analysis : He strongly hints (as in, nearly claims) at a restriction forcing him to claim the way he did. I don't get why he's so concerned about being vigged, which makes me think there may be some kind of link between him and Xyre.
Xyre, who, ironically, is the one who came up worst while I was doing this. Remember folks, we already have a proven secondary killing role (RafaelK). A second secondary killing role in a mini is pushing it. I believe Xyre is the scum roleblocker, who claimed a role he knew would give him a temporary free pass. Now he's trying his best to "prove" he can roleblock and not prove he can kill.
(Why RafK did not counterclaim, by the way, is a big wonder)
As for CPE, I see lots of randomness and strangeness. I'm strongly leaning scum, mostly because of the lack of valid opinion anywhere (they are either : bandwagons, OMGUS, or explanation-less). Xyre is scummier, though.
This means CPE is now free to fire tonight. And as I've probably made clear, I think CPE should fire tonight.
This leaves the tricky question of who should be lynched today... so here's my current scum-o-meter:
MOST SCUM
RafaelK - Apparent incomprehension of a fairly simple plan? Highly anti-ZDS? Is likely scum.
creampuffeater - Shouldn't be today's lynch, but looks like scum to me. I'll reassess if his bizarre claim turns out to be real.
AlphaInsidious - Worryingly noncommittal.
Xyre - Was my top scum until he suddenly started cooperating. Still looks kinda shady to me.
Azrael - He posts in smileys? That could mean anything.
Hunted Charlie - From the early play I'm strongly leaning towards town. Too many people seemed too eager to go for him on the basis of very little.
chamber - Shockingly, actually seems like town to me this time.
ZeDorkSlipeur - Very, very pro-town play.
MOST TOWN
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ZeDorkSlipeur - Very, very pro-town play.
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RafaelK - Apparent incomprehension of a fairly simple plan? Highly anti-ZDS? Is likely scum.
houston... we have a problem. I am not firing tonight so you all just wasted a lot of time doing all this speculation stuff. As for posting, sorry.... was busier than I thought I would be, and I hate laptops. FOR THOSE WHO CANT READ LOWER CASE, I AM ON VACATION. As for this PM thingy, it is so against the spirit of the game, I wont fire tonight or probsbly the next because of it. The BPBA looked a tiny bit flawed, especially its analysis on RafK who is protown in my opinion, and HC who is scum with bate. HC looks like a much more promising lynch however, so Unvote, Vote HC
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As for this PM thingy, it is so against the spirit of the game, I wont fire tonight or probsbly the next because of it.
ZDS is quite right, as I have said I will use my ability on another night, as I had said, but i will also explain a LOT more tommorrow. Xyre: if you vig me, nobody will believe your claim, thats your warning.
Nobody's yet explained why he'd falseclaim fadeblue with all other characters being roles.
Now let's suppose for the sake of argument that he is the only my-character-is-a-player in a game full of my-character-is-a-role. Would arimnaes put a scum in that position? For a lone scum it would be Cruel and Unusual (TM) to do so. For a Mafia member it would be both evil and fairly pointless, since his co-scum would warn him.
I don't really understand why you're concerned over me for agreeing with chamber's insight about the interaction between vigs and CPE's claimed ability. I still maintain he was right anyway, even though CPE has since changed clarified his claim.
As for the "evil" thing, that's clearly your fault. I make an effort to help you communicate and instead of correcting any problems with my interpretation you wait a week and then vote me? Not helpful.
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Azrael is a nine year old girl and he has to vote people who use certain punctuation!
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Dear ZDS: HC said "I can't believe I didn't notice these earlier" in response to my post. He didn't re-read and suddenly see bat's stuff himself- he was responding to me. And my point is that I can easily believe HC didn't notice it earlier, because he'd had very limited time to read it in. Do you really believe that HC couldn't believe he didn't notice my points against bat earlier?
"Can't believe", as in, "obvious"? Since when has anybody actually taken that literally?
OK, I probably messed up interpreting Azrael's posts, but here's what I got from them:
It is a sort of PBPA of important/revealing posts. I don't understand his own self-quotes either, to be honest.
Azrael thinks RafaelK is really really town, he's a bit confused about me but is leaning town, isn't sure about Chamber and Alpha, is leaning scum on ZDS, and thinks Xyre, CPE, and Bateleur are the biggest scum.
I disagree with some of this. However, it appears that yet another person agrees that Xyre is scum. Does anybody have a reason that Xyre isn't scum (aside from RafaelK)?
As for the "evil" thing, that's clearly your fault. I make an effort to help you communicate and instead of correcting any problems with my interpretation you wait a week and then vote me? Not helpful.
I'm all for poking Bateleur tomorrow (once Xyre is dead and burried, and assuming CPE will provide sufficient explanation), not today. Today it would be, at the very best, rushed and poorly done.
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[font=georgia]Most answers, if there are, will probably sound like "because I don't think so", or "I don't see what's wrong with him". Arguing in favor of someone is much harder than arguing against.[/font]
This is a good point. I should have said something like "anybody want to refute these points".
With deadlines and such, Vote bateleur. That's 4 (if Az has two votes, which I doubt).
This is absolutely horrible. Xyre, you haven't even made a case on Bateleur! I think at this point you're totally desperate, and you're just clinging onto any bandwagon except your own. Wait, you mean the Bateleur bandwagon has a bit of support? Quick, jump on!
Also, I just saw something a little bit interesting. For now, I'm just going to forget it (even if it was what I thought it was, we don't have time to fully explore that possibility today), but I think we should look into it more tomorrow. I say this so I can refer to this later.[/font]
Both to Xyre and to HC- you did notice that arimnaes extended the deadline by a week? There is actually time to investigate whatever it is you want to investigate and make whatever case you want to make?
Both to Xyre and to HC- you did notice that arimnaes extended the deadline by a week? There is actually time to investigate whatever it is you want to investigate and make whatever case you want to make?
Indeed, I'd encourage you to do so since I really don't want to be vigged by anyone tonight.
Speaking of investigation, I notice everyone except me is pretty much ignoring the huge, bold comma in Azrael's #762. You are aware that nine year old girls kill people for their punctuation, right?
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I noticed. But it looked to me like Az specifically disclaimed that he's voting for you due to punctuation. I thought he was just getting across the character (from memory, it was a missing comma that caused the "PM written by a nine year old girl" lynch). I don't know where you'd get that Az is going to vig people who miss commas. I find it really unlikely that everyone got their commas right yesterday, and yet nothing appeared to happen.
I don't know where you'd get that Az is going to vig people who miss commas.
Interesting that you say vig.
What makes you think he's got a town role?
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Indeed, I'd encourage you to do so since I really don't want to be vigged by anyone tonight.
Speaking of investigation, I notice everyone except me is pretty much ignoring the huge, bold comma in Azrael's #762. You are aware that nine year old girls kill people for their punctuation, right?
This is absolutely horrible. Xyre, you haven't even made a case on Bateleur! I think at this point you're totally desperate, and you're just clinging onto any bandwagon except your own. Wait, you mean the Bateleur bandwagon has a bit of support? Quick, jump on!
I believe I've already made points on bat in the past and am returning to that idea. I'll go look for those points, and if I don't have them, I'll present an argument.
Both to Xyre and to HC- you did notice that arimnaes extended the deadline by a week? There is actually time to investigate whatever it is you want to investigate and make whatever case you want to make?
I did notice, and I remain unconvinced that anything I do today would cause anything but harm to the town. Besides which, at this point I'm not even sure if it's something.
Xyre is, I think, the best chance we have of still being alive tomorrow.
Speaking of investigation, I notice everyone except me is pretty much ignoring the huge, bold comma in Azrael's #762. You are aware that nine year old girls kill people for their punctuation, right?
I think you're taking that too literally. Especially since Azrael seemed to reject that theory.
I believe I've already made points on bat in the past and am returning to that idea. I'll go look for those points, and if I don't have them, I'll present an argument.
Maybe you've made a few posts that mentioned Bateleur, but you have definitely never attempted seriously to get him lynched.
Speaking of investigation, I notice everyone except me is pretty much ignoring the huge, bold comma in Azrael's #762.
:):):)
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Vote Bateleur Vote Bateleur Vote Bateleur
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Xyre is, I think, the best chance we have of still being alive tomorrow.
FOS Xyre.
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Both to Xyre and to HC- you did notice that arimnaes extended the deadline by a week? There is actually time to investigate whatever it is you want to investigate and make whatever case you want to make?
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Xyre is, I think, the best chance we have of still being alive tomorrow.
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There is actually time to investigate whatever it is you want to investigate
You said you didn't want to be vigged. Raf was following it up.
Nothing wrong with following up, but I never said anything about expecting to be vigged by Azrael. (I was originally thinking he might be a scum role anyway, though now the punctuation thing is receiving less emphasis I'm not so sure.) Indeed, he's showing every sign of trying to lynch me.
What I don't like is people talking about "leaving me until tomorrow" in a way that implies I've been found guilty of something without trial. Because then a (potentially currently hidden) Town vig might NK me without me getting any chance to talk.
Speaking of talking, when I said I was in favour of further investigation today I did in fact mean investigation and not just randomly being wagonned. Azrael gets a free pass because he essentially cannot talk and despite this has already given a pretty clear indication of why he's voting me. This does not extend to RafaelK and certainly not to Xyre.
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I've been arguing consistently that I think that HC, ZDS, and bat are probably scum. I'm putting that into practice. I believe that I have outlined my arguments to this point enough that I don't feel the need to repeat myself.
If there's a town vig, it's Raf and he's a (one-shot ?) day-vig.
Yes, it was one-shot, otherwise one of bateleur and HC would not still be sitting here (which should be pretty obvious). That makes me more inclined to believe in the possibility of a second one-shot than I would if I could vig every day.
Azrael, I totally don't get most of your posts. I'm going to say that this post meant something about you agreeing that Xyre is suspicious, you expressing once again your utmost hatred for Bateleur, and you saying that you love RafaelK. Is this at all correct?
What I don't like is people talking about "leaving me until tomorrow" in a way that implies I've been found guilty of something without trial. Because then a (potentially currently hidden) Town vig might NK me without me getting any chance to talk.
A Town vig, if hidden, must make their own decisions about who to kill. I doubt a few people talking vaguely about how you're scum will influence a vig at this point, unless they are unusually weak-minded.
I've been arguing consistently that I think that HC, ZDS, and bat are probably scum.
This is seriously the most preposterous thing. You just said that you think the scum team are all three of your biggest attackers. I mean, I hate to call WIFOM, but it's just so ridiculous.
So, the entire mafia team decides to join together, pursue the same bandwagons, attempt to lynch the same person, and talk about how they each think that they are all town?
Let's discount the idea that we all made the newbie mistake of joining together. Bateleur is an old player, and even I've been around for long enough to know that that's a very bad idea.
So, there are two possibilities:
1) It's an extremely coordinated mafia reverse-psychology plan, calculated for just this argument.
2) You're just OMGUS voting everybody who's on your wagon.
Bate, you don't seem very upset, or even affected at all, by Az's apparent loathing for your play. Why is that?
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
bateleur is utterly unflappable under attack; it's his strongest feature as scum, and one of the main reasons it took everything + the kitchen sink to bring him down on day 1 of Trek. There are always people who won't vote for someone who shows confidence and doesn't flail or lash out.
Okay, that makes sense, and even more sense thinking about his play in past games.
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AlphaInsidious> RafaelK's charming commentary aside, I don't see what I should be getting concerned about. It's fairly obvious to me what Azrael's line of thought is and I don't see anything wrong with his play there. If a wagon against me looked seriously likely to lynch me then yes, that would bother me more. You may well get to see that happen tomorrow based on current discussions.
In the meantime, all that's happening is that lots of players are expressing strong views. That's really good, because it'll provide plenty of material for analysis later in the game.
Also, from my perspective it's good that attention is swinging from Hunted Charlie to me. With nine players and potentially three Mafia it doesn't take much uncertainty for the day to end in a No Lynch or a unintentional lynch as a result of the deadline. With quite a bit of random hate having gone HC's way earlier in the game, the risk was likely quite a bit higher with him as #2 target.
Lastly, as has been pointed out the scums are not going to have three members one of whom is also a one shot daykiller. Accordingly it's perfectly possible that RafaelK is actually Town and it's sooo much less dangerous being pursued by a fellow Townie than a scum.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
second, the day is already full enough as is, and last, right now is too late to get a decent and analyzable wagon going (not to mention the current lack of a public case) anyway.
Azrael, I totally don't get most of your posts. I'm going to say that this post meant something about you agreeing that Xyre is suspicious, you expressing once again your utmost hatred for Bateleur, and you saying that you love RafaelK. Is this at all correct?
Okay, that makes sense, and even more sense thinking about his play in past games.
-Alpha
You're just going to take it like that? You asked something from Bateleur, and RafaelK filled in for him and said "Because he's scum", and you're just going to accept that answer.
Azrael man, can you just tell us in the alphabet-smilies what you're trying to say here? It'd probably be faster than all this ridiculousness, regardless of how slow it is to type.
Certainly is! "Copied mine at Raf"?! I wonder if he means the daykill redirect?
Bateleur, care to explain yourself?
Depends what Azrael means by "beat up me ... copied mine at Raf". I don't actually understand what he's getting at with the second half. The first half is a reference to what I already assumed he thought - the idea that whatever happened to him last night was my fault.
My policy with claims is always the same - if the majority of the town requests it then I'll claim. Until then, I shall politely refuse since squeezing incremental claims out of the town is very pro-scum behaviour. Particularly so in a smaller game.
That quote from me is something Azrael's brought up multiple times now. It clearly pings his scumdar in a big way. I don't feel particularly able to say anything about it. I said exactly what I meant and still stand by the comment as having been entirely valid.
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Actually only suspect something. But let Azrael finish making his play first.
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It might be kind of entertaining to see what happens if he targets Puzzle. Not that I'm suggesting that, or anything. I just think it'd be funny to see Puzzle's head explode.
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Depends what Azrael means by "beat up me ... copied mine at Raf". I don't actually understand what he's getting at with the second half. The first half is a reference to what I already assumed he thought - the idea that whatever happened to him last night was my fault.
Well, it sounds like he knows that you did it.
At this point, I'd like to ask:
Bateleur, did you, or did you not, target Azrael in some manner last night?
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:bump::o :argh::birthday::mad1::teach::dance::evil:
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:):):)
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:):):)
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FOS CPE. Vote Bateleur. Vote CPE. FOS Bateleur. Vote Bateleur.
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Vote Azrael.
unvote, vote Bateleur.
Vote Rafaelk
Vote Hunted Charlie:):muh::argh::)
Vote Chamber
Vote Alpha
Vote ZDS
Vote Xyre :mad::mad:
Vote CPE :mad::mad:
Vote Bateleur :mad::mad:
Vote :evil::evil:Bateleur :evil::evil::evil::evil:
Vote Azrael
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Unvote, Vote: Bateleur, Vote Bateleur :evil:.
changedclarified his claim.As for the "evil" thing, that's clearly your fault. I make an effort to help you communicate and instead of correcting any problems with my interpretation you wait a week and then vote me? Not helpful.
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Oh.
Oh. My. God.
Azrael is a nine year old girl and he has to vote people who use certain punctuation!
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"Can't believe", as in, "obvious"? Since when has anybody actually taken that literally?
OK, I probably messed up interpreting Azrael's posts, but here's what I got from them:
It is a sort of PBPA of important/revealing posts. I don't understand his own self-quotes either, to be honest.
Well this I think we can all get.
Azrael thinks RafaelK is really really town, he's a bit confused about me but is leaning town, isn't sure about Chamber and Alpha, is leaning scum on ZDS, and thinks Xyre, CPE, and Bateleur are the biggest scum.
I disagree with some of this. However, it appears that yet another person agrees that Xyre is scum. Does anybody have a reason that Xyre isn't scum (aside from RafaelK)? If it's true, what do you expect me to do? Lie, so that I can be original?
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Vote:
Vote Bateleur.
Vote:
Vote: Bateleur
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2 Hunted Charlie – RafaelK, creampuffeater
1 bateleur - Azrael
1 creampuffeater - AlphaInsidious
1 Not Voting – Xyre
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Aha! You're voting me because I'm evil?
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unvote, vote bateleur
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This is a good point. I should have said something like "anybody want to refute these points". This is absolutely horrible. Xyre, you haven't even made a case on Bateleur! I think at this point you're totally desperate, and you're just clinging onto any bandwagon except your own. Wait, you mean the Bateleur bandwagon has a bit of support? Quick, jump on!
Also, I just saw something a little bit interesting. For now, I'm just going to forget it (even if it was what I thought it was, we don't have time to fully explore that possibility today), but I think we should look into it more tomorrow. I say this so I can refer to this later.[/font]
Indeed, I'd encourage you to do so since I really don't want to be vigged by anyone tonight.
Speaking of investigation, I notice everyone except me is pretty much ignoring the huge, bold comma in Azrael's #762. You are aware that nine year old girls kill people for their punctuation, right?
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Interesting that you say vig.
What makes you think he's got a town role?
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Like ZDS said- the terminology was yours, bat.
What makes YOU think he's got a town role?
Hoist, meet petard.
I believe I've already made points on bat in the past and am returning to that idea. I'll go look for those points, and if I don't have them, I'll present an argument.
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Xyre is, I think, the best chance we have of still being alive tomorrow.
I think you're taking that too literally. Especially since Azrael seemed to reject that theory.
Maybe you've made a few posts that mentioned Bateleur, but you have definitely never attempted seriously to get him lynched. I did notice, and I remain unconvinced that anything I do today would cause anything but harm to the town. Besides which, at this point I'm not even sure if it's something.
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Vote Bateleur
Vote Bateleur
FOS Xyre.
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Vote bateleur.
Nothing wrong with following up, but I never said anything about expecting to be vigged by Azrael. (I was originally thinking he might be a scum role anyway, though now the punctuation thing is receiving less emphasis I'm not so sure.) Indeed, he's showing every sign of trying to lynch me.
What I don't like is people talking about "leaving me until tomorrow" in a way that implies I've been found guilty of something without trial. Because then a (potentially currently hidden) Town vig might NK me without me getting any chance to talk.
Speaking of talking, when I said I was in favour of further investigation today I did in fact mean investigation and not just randomly being wagonned. Azrael gets a free pass because he essentially cannot talk and despite this has already given a pretty clear indication of why he's voting me. This does not extend to RafaelK and certainly not to Xyre.
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Yes, it was one-shot, otherwise one of bateleur and HC would not still be sitting here (which should be pretty obvious). That makes me more inclined to believe in the possibility of a second one-shot than I would if I could vig every day.
A Town vig, if hidden, must make their own decisions about who to kill. I doubt a few people talking vaguely about how you're scum will influence a vig at this point, unless they are unusually weak-minded.
This is seriously the most preposterous thing. You just said that you think the scum team are all three of your biggest attackers. I mean, I hate to call WIFOM, but it's just so ridiculous.
So, the entire mafia team decides to join together, pursue the same bandwagons, attempt to lynch the same person, and talk about how they each think that they are all town?
Let's discount the idea that we all made the newbie mistake of joining together. Bateleur is an old player, and even I've been around for long enough to know that that's a very bad idea.
So, there are two possibilities:
1) It's an extremely coordinated mafia reverse-psychology plan, calculated for just this argument.
2) You're just OMGUS voting everybody who's on your wagon.
#2 seems a lot more likely to me.
You haven't, at all. Or are you just trying to wait for RafaelK to cover for you? Azrael, I totally don't get most of your posts. I'm going to say that this post meant something about you agreeing that Xyre is suspicious, you expressing once again your utmost hatred for Bateleur, and you saying that you love RafaelK. Is this at all correct?
-Alpha
-Alpha
AlphaInsidious> RafaelK's charming commentary aside, I don't see what I should be getting concerned about. It's fairly obvious to me what Azrael's line of thought is and I don't see anything wrong with his play there. If a wagon against me looked seriously likely to lynch me then yes, that would bother me more. You may well get to see that happen tomorrow based on current discussions.
In the meantime, all that's happening is that lots of players are expressing strong views. That's really good, because it'll provide plenty of material for analysis later in the game.
Also, from my perspective it's good that attention is swinging from Hunted Charlie to me. With nine players and potentially three Mafia it doesn't take much uncertainty for the day to end in a No Lynch or a unintentional lynch as a result of the deadline. With quite a bit of random hate having gone HC's way earlier in the game, the risk was likely quite a bit higher with him as #2 target.
Lastly, as has been pointed out the scums are not going to have three members one of whom is also a one shot daykiller. Accordingly it's perfectly possible that RafaelK is actually Town and it's sooo much less dangerous being pursued by a fellow Townie than a scum.
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A perfectly valid one.
-Alpha
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Mostly not right, but somewhat right?
Azrael man, can you just tell us in the alphabet-smilies what you're trying to say here? It'd probably be faster than all this ridiculousness, regardless of how slow it is to type. You're just going to take it like that? You asked something from Bateleur, and RafaelK filled in for him and said "Because he's scum", and you're just going to accept that answer.
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You messed up the last :weird:, but I think I'm pretty sure you were trying to say "want".
So... This is interesting. Bateleur, care to explain yourself? Right then, here is the translation of Azrael's post:
Certainly is! "Copied mine at Raf"?! I wonder if he means the daykill redirect?
Depends what Azrael means by "beat up me ... copied mine at Raf". I don't actually understand what he's getting at with the second half. The first half is a reference to what I already assumed he thought - the idea that whatever happened to him last night was my fault.
My policy with claims is always the same - if the majority of the town requests it then I'll claim. Until then, I shall politely refuse since squeezing incremental claims out of the town is very pro-scum behaviour. Particularly so in a smaller game.
That quote from me is something Azrael's brought up multiple times now. It clearly pings his scumdar in a big way. I don't feel particularly able to say anything about it. I said exactly what I meant and still stand by the comment as having been entirely valid.
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Actually only suspect something. But let Azrael finish making his play first.
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;):o:sick:
:sleeping::xd::uhh::rollout::aww::rolleyes:
:suckup::uhh::sick:^_^
:teach::o:sweat:
;):o:sick:
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:muh::rofl:
:o;):rolleyes2::aww::rolleyes2::sick::rofl:
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Translation:
BAT SHOULD VOTE FOR RAF
BAT COPIED MY ABILITY I THINK
In light of this, I think I want bat to claim.
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And as requested by Azrael:
Unvote
Vote: RafaelK
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3 Xyre - ZeDorkSlipeur, chamber, Hunted Charlie
1 creampuffeater - AlphaInsidious
1 Hunted Charlie – creampuffeater
1 RafaelK - bateleur
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Vote: Xyre
So, Azrael, what was that all about?
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At this point, I'd like to ask:
Bateleur, did you, or did you not, target Azrael in some manner last night?
Finish making his play? I think that was his play. Well, it sounds like he knows that you did it.