MTG Salvation

...Ahem. Xyre is lynched as of 870.

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Day 2 Final Vote Count:

5 Xyre - ZeDorkSlipeur, chamber, Hunted Charlie, bateleur, Azrael
3 bateleur - RafaelK, creampuffeater, Xyre
1 creampuffeater - AlphaInsidious

Xyre, yes, quite shifty-eyed, that one. Quite a strange one, too. Since you all arrived, he's done little other than sit in the corner watching anime on his laptop. But you saw through his clever ruse easily enough. He goes without a struggle - laughing even as he is dragged away and summarily shot. Does he know something you don't?

Anyway, chalk one up for the good guys.

Xyre, Evil Mirror Universe Duplicate of Fadeblue, Mafia Godfather/Roleblocker, has been lynched.

Now the real fun begins.

It is now Night 2. All night actions are due by Friday, September 7th, at 6:00 PM EST.

Hey, I almost pulled it off, too.

DYH is replacing chamber.

In space, there is no true dawn. So judging from the light trickling through the boarded up windows of the town hall, you must not be in space anymore.

Your group meets once again the main chamber, and that's when you realize you're not alone – there are dozens of voices outside, as well as the persistent ringing of a bell. It sounds like the hustle and bustle of a marketplace, which is odd, since you were supposed to the be last seven people alive in Mafia Salvation.

Wait. Seven?

A quick headcount reveals that AlphaInsidious is not among you. You're just about to investigate his room when there comes a thunderous pounding on the front windows of the hall. "Oy! You alright in there? You 'erd the news?" The man in blue suede shoes, wary after his last experience opening a window, gingerly pries the boards apart. On the other side is a pimply youth wearing a large, feathered hat and holding a brass cowbell. "Hear ye, hear ye," he shouts into the room, "China withdraws from the United Nations after massive internal brain trauma! Pirates raid Ghongul! Chancellor Usurper executes the Azureian Congress for labeling him 'way dodgy!' Hear ye, hear ye…" the man walks back into the busy marketplace, still shouting his news.

The man in blue suede shoes carefully shuts the window again, then turns to face the remaining residents of the town hall.

"I don't think we're in Kansas anymore."

AlphaInsidious, China, Townie Outsourcer, is dead. All 1.3 billion of him.

Day 3 has now begun. With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

"China"? What is that supposed to be from?

Anyway, I'm rather curious about what an Outsourcer does, but at least he wasn't one of the traditional power roles.

Xyre was a bit of an obvious lynch who should have been lynched earlier. The question is, what next? We are no longer at Lynch or Lose, luckily, but we are only one lynch away from LOL, so we still must be careful.

One of these days I will remember that the first guy I seriously go after in any game is always scum. How many times....

China's from WD and WD2, but I couldn't tell you what Outsourcer means.

So, CPE... it's your big day!

...and right after CPE, there's someone else who's got some explaining to do.

Hi.

Arr, I already lost me ability today 't seems, me mateys, but jus' once in this god-forsaken game I wanted t' obey me restriction, jus' on accoun' o' I keep forgettin`. After this`n, I`ll avast until next high tide' as thar be nay need fer this, ya bilge rat who ortin' t' be keel hauled!

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One of these days I will remember that the first guy I seriously go after in any game is always scum. How many times....

Arr? Wouldna that`n be Bateleur, ya scurvy cur whut deserves the black spot?

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Charles, you forgot to be a pirate.

Arr, I hate me life. Thar goes me ability... `gain, ya horn s***glin' landlubber!

CPE, ya better be havin' somethin' good fer us, or ye may be walkin` th' plank today, ya lily livered scallywag!

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...and right after CPE, there's someone else who's got some explaining to do.

Who would that be, ya landlubber?

Quote from ZeDorkSlipeur

Chamber claimed to be Miho, who was a watcher-type role in Sin City. DYH replaced Chamber. Make the math.

Oh, when Chamber said Miho, I thought that was just a clue, not his rolename. I read Sin City, but don't remember Miho.

Anyway, yes, that makes sense then.

I see you've already de-pirated again. Good grief, man - arimnaes kept it up for an entire game and he didn't even have the restriction!

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I see you've already de-pirated again. Good grief, man - arimnaes kept it up for an entire game and he didn't even have the restriction!

Well, I only made that one pirate post as a tribute. My ability was already gone.

Yes, I know, I'm not very good at this post restriction business. It doesn't help that I haven't followed my restriction for a long time now, so I keep forgetting I even have one.

Where is CPE? I think he needs to talk now.

Done.

Ya... not the best time to be stuck with minimal access.... I dont have full time to explain everything now, but I have a new claim. I am Anti-death, (must be some joke on Az's Random2 play), but I cant be nked. I was hinting at xyre not to fire, cause I thought he was town, but hoping that a mafia would hit me before I gained my ability. I will post more later

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Ya... not the best time to be stuck with minimal access.... I dont have full time to explain everything now, but I have a new claim. I am Anti-death, (must be some joke on Az's Random2 play), but I cant be nked. I was hinting at xyre not to fire, cause I thought he was town, but hoping that a mafia would hit me before I gained my ability. I will post more later

Sooo... you just changed your claim?

Look, CPE is an experienced player, and he knows very well about Lynch All Liars. I think he's scum. I look forward to the rest of his claim though, fast.

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Ya... not the best time to be stuck with minimal access.... I dont have full time to explain everything now, but I have a new claim. I am Anti-death, (must be some joke on Az's Random2 play), but I cant be nked. I was hinting at xyre not to fire, cause I thought he was town, but hoping that a mafia would hit me before I gained my ability. I will post more later

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Now, I certainly do hope he is about to claim when he will be able to use it.

:eyebrow::eyebrow::eyebrow:

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I have a new claim. I am Anti-death, (must be some joke on Az's Random2 play), but I cant be nked.

So if I understand correctly, your claim yesterday was complete fiction designed to draw a NK?

Well OK, fair enough, though you really didn't choose very well what to claim to draw fire since it very nearly got you lynched. On the plus side it does explain why you changed your claim so many times.

Also, your play caused me to waste a pint of blood keeping you alive, which I am not delighted about. (And had there been no death last night you would have therefore had trouble verifying your claim anyway.)

On the plus side if you really are town that narrows down the options for who the scum are quite a bit. Which leads to a tricky question...

...I'm pretty sure I've spotted one scum (whose identity I will keep secret while I watch as much of their play as possible). But is it possible that there are two scum of whom one is RafaelK given that he had a 1-shot daykill? Increasingly I'm leaning towards: yes.

Look at the evidence:
* RafaelK fired his daykill on day one, aiming for our lynch target. This effectively obliges the town to make two day one lynches, which are notoriously unreliable.
* RafaelK then used the fact he had a daykill to make himself appear cleared in the style of DYH's four votes from Court Mafia.
* RafaelK tried ridiculously hard to derail yesterday's lynch.
* At earliest opportunity after Xyre's death RafaelK tried to award himself townie credit for attacking Xyre on day one.
* If we look back at the phase of the game where I was pressing Xyre to test his claim, RafaelK's response was this post in which he essentially attacks me for wanting to test Xyre and then double posts to add Hunted Charlie to the suspect list for the same reason.

Would it be unbalanced for the Mafia to have a daykill? Even with the town seemingly up to their ears in special powers?

I feel a need to FoS: RafaelK

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Look at the evidence:
* RafaelK fired his daykill on day one, aiming for our lynch target. This effectively obliges the town to make two day one lynches, which are notoriously unreliable.

Raf, who had to use his ability on day 1, attempted to give the option to the town of seeing the result of its first lynch before making a second (prior to the mafia getting any say in it).

Raf rather publically got his ability diverted in a bad way.

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* RafaelK then used the fact he had a daykill to make himself appear cleared in the style of DYH's four votes from Court Mafia.

I would certainly like to see you back that up. And the DYH situation was that DYH faked an ability that would have been townie if he had it, whereas obviously I didn't fake the daykill.

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* RafaelK tried ridiculously hard to derail yesterday's lynch.

This at least is true, although Xyre was my original target on day 1 and the lynch I originally tried to derail yesterday in favour of lynching bat or HC was cpe. Being against lynching Xyre yesterday just flowed on from that.

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* At earliest opportunity after Xyre's death RafaelK tried to award himself townie credit for attacking Xyre on day one.

Congratulations. I wasn't trying to hide that, or anything.

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* If we look back at the phase of the game where I was pressing Xyre to test his claim, RafaelK's response was this post in which he essentially attacks me for wanting to test Xyre and then double posts to add Hunted Charlie to the suspect list for the same reason.

Misrepresent much?

You were asking for Xyre to vig cpe, and I'm sure he'd have just loooved to get to go to night and kill cpe for you That's what I was opposing.

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Would it be unbalanced for the Mafia to have a daykill?

Yes if there's three of them. No if there's two. Depending on what else they have.

Additional: And it's even more misrepresenting to say that I added HC to the suspect list for wanting to "test" Xyre by letting him kill someone.

My post:

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This sounds pretty good to me, actually.

I second this plan, now we just need to find the lynch for today. Who better be town, because I think we've hit too many town to be comfortable with our position.

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Casually seconding a vigging plan like that doesn't sit well with acting concerned about "having hit too many town".

Not to mention the Freudian slip that the lynch "better be town"!

FOS Hunted Charlie. Are you concerned that your roleclaim will be found to be a lie? You can go up against the wall with bateleur.

Judge for yourselves.

It's not impossible to have two one-shot vigs together, especially if one is day and one is night.

arimnaes goes in for unconventional modding setups based on what I saw in Holywood Mafia and what I've seen so far here, so I didn't and don't regard two one-shot vigs as impossible.

So, ZDS, care to share why you targeted Alpha last night?

Oh, this should be good

Well, that's fun, unless there's counterclaims.

Or unless DYH wants to say he sees everything that targets his target, which would make sense based on chamber's miho claim.

While we're waiting for one of those eventualities, ZDS, why investigate Alpha rather than cpe or myself or bateleur (or even Azrael?).

I'm a dumbed-down version of Sin City's Miho, I'm afraid. I only see what my target targets. ZDS -> Alpha in this case.

Next up - Chamber tracked Bateleur night one. Or rather, tried to track Bat night one. He ended up tracking Raf who didn't leave his room. Why?

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Because I'm the cop, and Sutherland's (ex-)mason partner.

Can't believe you didn't target RafaelK!

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Or rather, tried to track Bat night one. He ended up tracking Raf who didn't leave his room. Why?

Nothing to do with me.

The obvious speculation is that the same power behind the Kenji->Sutherlands kill redirection was involved. Since I've got some idea about the powers of everyone except Hunted Charlie it follows that Hunted Charlie must be the redirector.

So, HC, care to comment on why you used your power as you did?

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Can't believe you didn't target RafaelK!


Nothing to do with me.

The obvious speculation is that the same power behind the Kenji->Sutherlands kill redirection was involved. Since I've got some idea about the powers of everyone except Hunted Charlie it follows that Hunted Charlie must be the redirector.

So, HC, care to comment on why you used your power as you did?

My main concern with this is that it would imply the redirection was used twice during the same day/night cycle.

Also, HC indicated his power comes from his PR which he hasn't yet complied with, right?

Nonetheless, I'm interested to hear his answer, but I think something is quite amiss, here.

I think it has to be passive really.

In any case, it may be a tenuous theory but it's all I've got right now as far as the redirects go.

But if it's a passive, how did it come up when I targeted Kenji and chamber targeted bat?

HC by his own claim has not had a working power at any time.

ZDS, what power did Azrael have?

EBWODP: I mean what power did Sutherlands have? (his "character" is Azrael).

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On the plus side if you really are town that narrows down the options for who the scum are quite a bit. Which leads to a tricky question...

This bit seems a little like "Well, it would be really nice if you were town, so I'll just assume you are" which is craplogic.

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Look at the evidence:
* RafaelK fired his daykill on day one, aiming for our lynch target. This effectively obliges the town to make two day one lynches, which are notoriously unreliable.
* RafaelK then used the fact he had a daykill to make himself appear cleared in the style of DYH's four votes from Court Mafia.
* RafaelK tried ridiculously hard to derail yesterday's lynch.
* At earliest opportunity after Xyre's death RafaelK tried to award himself townie credit for attacking Xyre on day one.
* If we look back at the phase of the game where I was pressing Xyre to test his claim, RafaelK's response was this post in which he essentially attacks me for wanting to test Xyre and then double posts to add Hunted Charlie to the suspect list for the same reason.

I do like your case against RafaelK though.

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Congratulations. I wasn't trying to hide that, or anything.

Well, it was a total misrepresentation. You may have tried, at one point, to go for Xyre (in a rather weak way), but by the end you two were working together.

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Because I'm the cop, and Sutherland's (ex-)mason partner. Charles is town, by the way.

Hm. Any counterclaims, either on being the cop or Sutherland's mason-buddy? If not, I think we should assume that ZDS and I are pretty much clear, considering the Godfather is dead.

So, the living players would be:

7. ZeDorkSlipeur - Clear as town
6. Hunted Charlie - Clear as town
1. DYH (replacing chamber) - accurate Tracker results, tracker seems to be a town role, and hasn't done anything particularly scummy. Pretty sure he's town.
5. bateleur - No clearing, and has acted strangely occasionally, but did help catch the scum and played pretty townily the whole game. It could be a gambit I guess, but I'm leaning town.
4. Azrael - Because of his smiley restriction (which could be easily faked) we have no information on him. Neutral
2. creampuffeater - Changes his role around, generally scummy
3. RafaelK - Scumbuddies with Xyre while trying to hide it, ridiculously suspicious play all game, overaggressiveness, scum

I think the best question at this time is:

ZDS, who did you target in the other nights, if you targeted me in one of them? If you investigated one of Azrael, CPE, or RafaelK, we've got a very good shot at winning this. I really hope you got Azrael, he seems the obvious investigation (since it's basically the only way to find his alignment).

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The obvious speculation is that the same power behind the Kenji->Sutherlands kill redirection was involved. Since I've got some idea about the powers of everyone except Hunted Charlie it follows that Hunted Charlie must be the redirector.

So, HC, care to comment on why you used your power as you did?

Well, that's a big assumption. I do not have redirection as my ability, and I was not involved in the redirection. Besides which, I keep failing at my post restriction, and I have never even been able to use my ability.

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My main concern with this is that it would imply the redirection was used twice during the same day/night cycle.

I was under the impression that the RafaelK to Sutherlands redirection was part of their roles, not a redirector. Y'know, cuz WoLG ALWAYS kills Azrael? I mean, he even got him in Sin City Mafia somehow, even when Azrael was modding. I think that was just an in-joke as part of their roles, and this new redirection could be an actual redirector. Or it could be related to RafaelK.

Sooo... ZDS, what are your other investigation results?

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Sooo... you just changed your claim?

Look, CPE is an experienced player, and he knows very well about Lynch All Liars. I think he's scum. I look forward to the rest of his claim though, fast.

My role is the nostalgia behind LAL, and thats all I can say. I would like to post more, but I am in/modding 10 games

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I was under the impression that the RafaelK to Sutherlands redirection was part of their roles, not a redirector. Y'know, cuz WoLG ALWAYS kills Azrael?

OK, that makes some sense. The thing I don't like about it is that it means Sutherlands' role was total rubbish because he was always going to get killed. Still, not impossible.

But if you're not the redirector that leaves the me->RafaelK redirection as very puzzling indeed. Very puzzling because:

* If it's a Mafia ability they wouldn't redirect from me unless they were going to kill me on the same night. Besides, they had a roleblocker.
* If it's a Town ability, why redirect from me to RafaelK on Night one? At that point I hadn't yet claimed and RafaelK was not yet looking scummy.

And there's also the fact that there's no space left for anyone to hold this ability.

DYH - Claimed Watcher
creampuffeater - Claimed Anti-Death
RafaelK - Wouldn't make sense redirecting onto himself
bateleur - Claimed Doctor
ZeDorkSlipeur - Claimed Doctor
Hunted Charlie - Declared not-redirector
Azrael - Thought I knew what he was...

OK, so evidently I was wrong about Azrael and he's a neutral redirector (?!).

I'd like a full claim from Azrael at this point.

I'm not WOLG, or even a role played by him. I'm Kevin. I thought that was kind of obvious from the rather gruesome kill scene.

Not that Kevin killing Azrael couldn't still be an in-joke, but I don't really believe that arim would build in a role that was guaranteed to be daykilled on day 1. That just sucks too much.

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I'm not WOLG, or even a role played by him. I'm Kevin. I thought that was kind of obvious from the rather gruesome kill scene.

Not that Kevin killing Azrael couldn't still be an in-joke, but I don't really believe that arim would build in a role that was guaranteed to be daykilled on day 1. That just sucks too much.

It was required that you use your daykill on Day 1?

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My role is the nostalgia behind LAL, and thats all I can say. I would like to post more, but I am in/modding 10 games

Maybe, jut maybe, you shouldn't sign up for 10 games. Trust me, it helps.

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OK, that makes some sense. The thing I don't like about it is that it means Sutherlands' role was total rubbish because he was always going to get killed.

True, I guess that would be a rather crappy role.

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I'd like a full claim from Azrael at this point.

I'll second this. He's just too darn mysterious.

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There's only been two nights. I targetted you then Alpha, and that's all.

Right, Alpha, forgot. Disappointing.

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I'm not WOLG, or even a role played by him. I'm Kevin. I thought that was kind of obvious from the rather gruesome kill scene.

For some reason I thought you had claimed WoLG. Hm. I guess I was wrong.

This claim seems rather to be BS. It follows the "scum roles become town" thing, but too much. And I think the "had to daykill Day 1" thing is just a weak excuse for his Day 1 stupidity, since that would be quite a rare role.

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Maybe, jut maybe, you shouldn't sign up for 10 games. Trust me, it helps.

ahh but.... im only playing 4 games... however i like that number 10, and ill stick with it. I am playing 10 games

I had to eat NOW or there would be consequences. I figured that I didn't want to find out the consequences.

I seriously thought everyone figured this out from the daykill scene. arim made it pretty obvious that I am Kevin, at least for anyone who read Sin City.

ZDS: Yes, because there's so many signs of an SK in this game, except for the complete lack of SK kills. Sigh.

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I had to eat NOW or there would be consequences. I figured that I didn't want to find out the consequences.

I seriously thought everyone figured this out from the daykill scene. arim made it pretty obvious that I am Kevin, at least for anyone who read Sin City.

ZDS: Yes, because there's so many signs of an SK in this game, except for the complete lack of SK kills. Sigh.

I saw an SK kill. Day 1, Sutherlands.

Nah, RafaelK's right. He may or may not be Mafia, but the evidence really doesn't point to an SK.

Why is L5R meh?

In all seriousness, I'm not sure what to make of this whole situation. It would be nice to hear from Azrael.

We're all waiting for him really. The rules on posting frequency oblige him to check in today anyway, after which we can get him prodded.

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And there's also the fact that there's no space left for anyone to hold this ability.

DYH - Claimed Watcher
creampuffeater - Claimed Anti-Death
RafaelK - Wouldn't make sense redirecting onto himself
bateleur - Claimed Doctor
ZeDorkSlipeur - Claimed Doctor
Hunted Charlie - Declared not-redirector
Azrael - Thought I knew what he was...

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OK, so evidently I was wrong about Azrael and he's a neutral redirector (?!).

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9 year-old girl

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vote: bateleur, vote: bateleur

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neutral

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some kind of mind-control

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Dr. Dracula

:o:raise::monocle::gaping::gaping::swear::argh:

:raise::isthatso:

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Or rather, tried to track Bat night one. He ended up tracking Raf who didn't leave his room.

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mind control

:confused::raise::confused::raise:

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Glad you clarified that.

As it happens, you were the player I already had pegged as Mafia, but denying the redirection makes things a lot simpler.

Nice try on the vampire thing, but you have a teeny weeny problem there - the Town has time to kill me tomorrow if they need to and tonight I'm using my last pint of blood protecting ZDS.

Bye bye scum.

Vote: Azrael

I am a bit lost, Az can you prove yourself today or only tommorrow? Also bate, why are you voting him? even if he is scum, he isnt living for long. If HC wasnt cop cleared, I would be looking at him, but right now I dont know what to think. I am still in 10 games though

OK, Azrael, prove yourself now. Something isn't right here.

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Also bate, why are you voting him? even if he is scum, he isnt living for long.

Should I interpret "even if he is scum" as a defence there? Or are you feeling too timid to actually defend him?

Let me show you how I see things:

DYH - Watcher (town)
ZeDorkSlipeur - Cop (town)
Hunted Charlie - Town (cleared by Cop)
bateleur - Doc (town)

So I'm looking for two scums or one very powerful scum from the following list:

Azrael
creampuffeater
RafaelK

If RafaelK is Mafia then probably neither you nor Az are because Raf has (or at least had) a proven daykill ability. Whilst I find his play very suspicious, he can definitely wait until tomorrow on this basis alone.

That leaves you and Azrael. Now you've done all kinds of shady stuff relating to your rolelclaim, but when you eventually came out with the assertion that you were trying to draw a NK that seemed somewhat reasonable. I'm therefore inclined to think Azrael is more likely to be scum than you.

If HC wasnt cop cleared, I would be looking at him, but right now I dont know what to think.

Yeah, I expect that's irritating the Mafia too. No easy targets left to frame in this game.

Why are you assuming automatically that DYH is town? He could be a scum watcher.

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Why are you assuming automatically that DYH is town? He could be a scum watcher.

True.

But even taking that into account, the balance of probabilities favours him for town over Azrael by some way. You vs DYH might be trickier, but I'm hoping we won't even have to make that call (because with the Mafia roleblocker dead we're all but guaranteed one more Cop investigation).