ZzzZ. You must've missed the few times I mentioned I could probably weasel out of it.
Uh-huh, and that makes you look SO much more townie. In any case, you must have missed the part where I said that that was an aside. The point was that you never showed (or even gave a hint of an intention to show) an ability to do anything other than prove that you could lie to the town.
You have completely failed to show that the mafia would have been frightened by anything you did, or could do. You have completely failed to even show that this was your intention.
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Does anyone else see how pathetic this defense is? "I spent the whole day, right up to the point where a person I wanted lynched (ZDS) was one vote away from death, doing nothing that indicated I wanted to be nightkilled, but I was planning to." Can we get some other opinions here, please?
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
@CP: I liked his claim, but I agree his recent defense has been pretty sorry. Mainly sarcastic-filled drivel with little substance; although, in fairness, some of your comebacks have been equally off-point.
To be frank, I'd be fine with MMoD going down today. It's likely too late in the game to persuade the group to change to my primary suspect (pod) with him essentially MIA. All I was basing MMoD's defense on really was the solid claim, and he certainly could have pulled that from Midian himself.
His "plan" stinks. Granted, it's very clear that MMoD and Chamber think in completely different mafia terms than your general player, but any townie who would willingly lie about being a mason with an unknown and said scum player following along with the mason claim speaks volumes, IMHO.
That aside, to extrapolate, votelessness is not always indicative of a power role, so that part is iffy, for starters. Subsquently turning around by hammering someone when he'd stated he can't vote is going to eliminate the mafia's desire to kill him, anyhow, as they know damn well (contrary to Pod's discussion on LAL earlier) that the town is going to jump down his throat the next day. Regardless of how MMoD plays, what matters here is the play of the general populace, and I think we can agree that would be the normal reaction of your average player base.
I'll place the vote, but there's no need to rush. I'm still waiting on Pod's content post that he promised was coming over 24 hours ago.
Uh-huh, and that makes you look SO much more townie. In any case, you must have missed the part where I said that that was an aside. The point was that you never showed (or even gave a hint of an intention to show) an ability to do anything other than prove that you could lie to the town.
You have completely failed to show that the mafia would have been frightened by anything you did, or could do. You have completely failed to even show that this was your intention.
I felt that I showed my intention to scare the mafia.
Does anyone else see how pathetic this defense is? "I spent the whole day, right up to the point where a person I wanted lynched (ZDS) was one vote away from death, doing nothing that indicated I wanted to be nightkilled, but I was planning to." Can we get some other opinions here, please?
Pathetic as it may be, it's the truth.
Also, CP, are you going to respond to 256? Or refute it? Because I took the lack of refutation as you agreeing with me on those points.
My posts were not sarcastic drivel. Most of it were valid defenses and arguments. 260 was the only one which was basically drivel.
Also, when I die and show up as town, it'll mean that what I've said are true. The one thing I lied about was that I was voteless. I lie alot as mafia, but as town I try to lie as little as possible. This happens to be the first game that I've tried gambitting in.
I really don't like how DYH brought up Magic mafia again. As scum in that situation, it was the only thing I could do. I was going down and it was my one way of surviving, and the biggest factor was that I thought he was a traitor (and a few other factors had influence - eg. hilarity). Don't try to twist it around and make it sound like it was such a crazy move on my part. I think only a bit different then normal mafia players, I'd say, except on certain occasions. This game, for example. No more on that.
aaahh. Explains the FOSing.... Very sorry to here that Mmod. This game looks to be very exciting if more puzzles are kept in :D.
No actual feelings of scumminess on MMoD to start.
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IMO, if someone can't vote, they should have an alternative, IE: nightkill
EBWODPFOS MMOD
A little bit of fishing here? Not to mention the fact that he gives no justification for his FOS (having a nightkill and being restricted is just as likely town as scum). Only reason i could see the FOS being here is that i had just started my case on MMoD.
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That sounds reasonable too.
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Whoa.. does post count matter??
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K, then I'm doin good
Bunch of posts saying nothing...
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I don't know the differences, so I don't know what it is...
This one was Re: the type of alcohol claim. Kind of silly for him not to know this (maybe he's in elementry school?).
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@ZDS: i have to agree that you've been very suspicious. that earns you an FOS. But, while I do believe MMOD has SOME ability, I believe can wait to be discovered (or Can it?). I think that everyone has made a very convincing point against you, and it is a good wagon to band with.
VOTE: ZDS
Ah here we go, so this one comes after 4 votes were on ZDS already. And he's just blatantly wagoning here. Just seems like an attempt to push the wagon over the edge. The only mitigating factor here is that ZDS did make the statemetn he wouldn't claim until the 5th vote.
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Well, I'm going to unvote ZDS because he made such a good point. Good bye Zigzagoon!
Ummm, he didn't make any new points! All he did was claim (which was a good claim) and reiterate his position on MMOD. Seems like he's once again just following trends and following the 3 others who unvote.
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I looked at it, and the idea of everything ending, then someone laughing at us for a mistake makes lots of sense, especially since we seem to have 2 non-voters..
If MMOD doesn't get lynched, maybe you could target him? Then we could see if he does anything.
And now Everlaster goes back to his fishing, but this time chooses to have someone else use an ability to help him? Directing a watcher is scummy and sets off alarm bells in my head.
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I would have to second the idea Chimp had. Was I heard the MMOD can't vote, I did think he was an SK, I just couldnt remember the darn name for the position...(this is my first game :D)..but, if we don't do anything, I also agree we should treat like a regular player.
Once again not saying anything new and suggests the possiblity that MMoD was an SK without taking any direct (FOS or Vote other wise) action.
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I would like to know this too. Could he be a mafia tracker? that would make a little bit of sense at least...
Actually, that makes sense to me..
FOS: MMOD I'll decide whether or not to vote after i hear more
Suggests the possiblity of ZDS still being scum after the wagon on him has passed, and then FOSes MMoD giving no reasons of his own again. Seems to be waiting for others to give opinions before committing to his own.
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I'm going to do some rereading too, tonight. While I do agree 2 non-voters is suspicous, I don't think we should be so hastey as to lynch MMOD right away. I will reiterate my FOS: MMOD
The post that got my attention was this one. He's clearly fence sitting once again.
AFTER i accuse him of fence sitting, he responds with:
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Its not that I'm trying to sit on the fence, this is just my first game, and I want to study everything first. so, now that I feel secure with my vote, I shall Vote: MMOD
Note that nothing has happened in between these two posts besides my accusation. After MMoD posts the following:
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So what made you come to that conclusion? Or did the fence-sitting accusation make you think you needed to vote me hmm?
and Everlaster responds with:
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I voted MMOD because I don't think like the idea of 2 voteless townies. I didn't want to push it though, because its not much information, but I also didn't want to have a bandwagon go against me for fence sitting.
Do i NEED to point this out?. Seriously, he maintains a fence-sitting attitude and basically says I'm voting him only cuz i didn't want to be accused. Are you kidding me?
A townie would argue and explain his opinion in response to a fence sitting argument: (See nom anor in too much scum mafia). A newb scum like everlaster would proceed to do this instead: keep his attitude but put a vote on the most suspected person in order to shut up his critics.
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Yes... waiting we are....patient we must be..
@loran: my name changed because I believe some people may have gotten the wrong vibe from it.
oh, and FOS: LORAN16 for no good reason.
Continues not to add anything. makes a Joke FOS...
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The reason I'm being careful for this is that, in every game I've played (in real life only, so some obvious diffs), I was always town. AND I always got killed in the first day by one of the nicest people ever. So I'm suspicious of others, and I like to analyze those I think might be scum.
And his last post so far is this beauty. It doesn't actualy say anything besides his comment that "He's always town" (improbable) and how does his explanation answer the accusation that he's been expressing no opinions and just following other people and has been rampant fence sitting. EVERYONE likes to analyze those who they think are scum. But that doesnt mean you post no opinions whatsoever!!!
In conclusion, Everlaster would be my lynch today because:
a. He has not expressed any opinions.
b. He has followed the voting trends.
c. when accused of fence sitting he just voted mmod for no other reason (and he doesnt deny this) so as not to be suspected of fence sitting.
------------------------- Re the pbpas of pod and dyh im inclined to think that both of them are simply townies in a misargument at this point. I dont see eithr of them as being mroe scummy than Everlaster.
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I felt that I showed my intention to scare the mafia.
Where?
Also, CP, are you going to respond to 256? Or refute it? Because I took the lack of refutation as you agreeing with me on those points.
I responded in 261. What else were you looking for?
Also, when I die and show up as town, it'll mean that what I've said are true. The one thing I lied about was that I was voteless. I lie alot as mafia, but as town I try to lie as little as possible. This happens to be the first game that I've tried gambitting in.
In other words, you're acting like you do when you're mafia. Thanks for clearing that up.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Going over Loran's PBPA, Everlaster is somewhere in the blurry noob/scum boundary. Noobishness can be attributed to some of Loran's points (like the "no original opinions" bit) but there there is one fairly common noob scum tell that is sticking out to me. Twice he has upgraded his suspicion of MMoD without there actually being any apparent cause of the upgrade. In post 27 he doesn't express any suspicion of MMoD being voteless, but by post 46, without any new information revealed aside from a few people acting cautiously towards a non-voter, he suddenly decides that non-voters are scummy. He does a similar thing between 173 and 177. As Loran said, the only thing that happened between his FOS and vote was that people accused him of fence sitting for the repeated FOS without commitment.
Does that mean you would be against lynching MMoD ?
YES. I would be.
Listen. Here's the case against MMoD:
His role is improbable as town and his play makes no sense based on the role.
In otherwords, all we're going on on MMoD is the claim. What's been the downfall of the town in games lately? Lynching based on claims rather than play-analysis. You're trying to outguess the mod here.
And remember, MMoD, while not quite chamber, plays decently similar enough. He's just as likely to make a silly gambit like this with a role like this. And so I'm not going to lynch a player based on ability and role claim rather than based on his play. Everlaster's play reeks of newb scum, and as such, i think he's a better lead thatn MMoD.
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Listen. Here's the case against MMoD:
His role is improbable as town and his play makes no sense based on the role.
In otherwords, all we're going on on MMoD is the claim. What's been the downfall of the town in games lately? Lynching based on claims rather than play-analysis. You're trying to outguess the mod here.
And remember, MMoD, while not quite chamber, plays decently similar enough. He's just as likely to make a silly gambit like this with a role like this. And so I'm not going to lynch a player based on ability and role claim rather than based on his play. Everlaster's play reeks of newb scum, and as such, i think he's a better lead thatn MMoD.
"His play makes no sense based on the role" is not the same thing as outguessing the mod. In fact, it's the opposite: it's suspicion based on gameplay.
In any case, for every example you can come up with of a mislynch based on claim evidence (I can think of two or three on this site), I can come up with two or three mislynches based on gameplay evidence. More importantly, I can come up with two or three people who got off the hook when they shouldn't have, based on gameplay evidence, often in spite of claim evidence. I'd hardly call it the "downfall of the town."
I'd draw your attention also to MMoD's most recent post, in which he claims never to gambit like this as town. I find it quite telling, really.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Just wrapped up a game I was modding over on News- I'm tired and going to bed. I see Pod has posted quite a lengthy reply which I'll get to in the morning.
I'm not saying that your action was clearly anti-town. I'm saying that your action was clearly not pro-town. Let me boil this down, again.
You said you intended to scare the mafia by using your ability.
You claim to be unable to scare the mafia by using your ability.
Am I being sufficiently clear, here? Your 'plan' cannot possibly have made sense to you or anyone, because you couldn't do it in the first place. That means that you are lying. Which part, or why, specifically, I don't know, but your current story doesn't explain how you intended to resolve this contradiction.
You claim there is a contradiction and that my plan did not make sense.
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I've said time and time again that I was not, to quote "intend[ing] to scare the mafia by using [my] ability". I was trying to make them think I HAD an ability that was harmful to them. That is NOT the same as what you said I was trying to do.
There is NO contradiction AT ALL. You claim that I couldn't do my plan. This means you STILL do not understand at all, what I was trying to do.
I'll spell it out as simple as I could for you:
a) Hint at a power role, or something of the like
b) Try to attract the nightkill
c) Try to not get lynched the next day
See? Pretty sure I could do that. Pretty sure it makes sense. Pretty sure I'm not lying.
I point out there is no contradiction and that it did make sense.
Where exactly in 261 did you refute what I said?
In other words, you're acting like you do when you're mafia. Thanks for clearing that up.
Mmmhmm. Keep living in that world of yours where 1 = a lot.
I'd draw your attention also to MMoD's most recent post, in which he claims never to gambit like this as town. I find it quite telling, really.
If I never gambit like this as town, then what do you call what I did in this game? Way to put words in my mouth and try to catch me in a lie I didn't commit.
I simply said that I tend to tell the truth as town and this was my first time gambitting.
I don't see either DYH or Pod as scum. I don't see either of the cases as very strong, as Pod, if not both them, has already said. In any case, it seems highly unlikely that either of them will be the lynch today.
The case on Everlaster, on the other hand, I can see. I'm going to give him some time to defend himself though, before I make any actions on this. Hopefully, he will be around shortly to defend and explain himself, as we are approaching deadline.
I'm not opposed to a MMOD-lynch at this time, but I might be moving my vote over to Everlaster, depending on his response to Loran's PBPA, and the other points against him.
Also, I wonder what people think about letting MMOD hammer, if we end up lynching someone who is not him. Personally, I think it would be better if he didn't.
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I'm going to address the points that I think are most relevant or with which I disagree fully. This isn't going anywhere today on either count, so I'll keep it brief. If it becomes an issue tomorrow, we can take back up the torches.
#50: Misapplication of facts. You say that mass claim was good in Verona, so may be good here. This is also wrong. Mass claim was good in WC3, does that mean it would be good in Sin City? Of course not. You're putting forward a plan (claiming early) that has repeatedly screwed towns in the past, and using a broken game as your reasoning as to why it is a good idea. You are trying to champion something that, in the vast majority previous games, will benefit the mafia, and you are more than experienced enough to realise this. I really, really hated this. It just seems wrong.
This whole argument is one giant logical fallacy. You left out Anime Mafia in this entire conversation as well- and the point there wasn't that the setup was broken, it was that the soft claims caught two experienced players in lies late in the game. You also missed my conversation about how a soft-claim in Midian would have likely wrecked us (the scum group). Verona mafia was broken, yes, but at the time I was championing the idea there, I had no way to know that. I was a non-house-aligned vig.
Since you seem to have a vast background of mafia games from which to pull, and you've played this card now, show me a "majority of examples" where soft-claiming in a mini-game helped the mafia. Without checking myself I'll contest it likely doesn't happen enough to begin with, and that when it does, the results aren't nearly as skewed as you might think.
Also, you've stated that I said it "may" be good here. How can that be "wrong"? It's a gambit, a guess. You can't possibly know it's unhelpful, right? Unless you're - uh-oh! Feel me? [/gross exaggeration to make a point]
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#122 (mine): Heh, you say this like it is out of character for me. I frequently work on gut feelings, especially Day 1, Day 2. You were in WoW, you were in Magic Mafia, you can look at IRC mafia. Of the top of my head, three games where pretty much all I did for D1 (d2 in wow) was repeatedly point at someone who I thought to be scum (and was). I'm not using this as a record of success, just as a record of three games in which I was pro-town and exhibit the behaviour you're suggesting. If you want to lynch me for metagame reasons, go ahead, but don't use it as a point towards me being scum. If I think someone is using unspeakably bad logic, but I get a 'town read' I will not vote for that person. If I have no case against someone, but I think them to be scum, I have no qualms about voting them.
I have a 'scum read' on you, and you're using bad logic. I'm not sure what more you want me to explain, here.
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#192: Setting someone up for being an SK seems like such a cop out. It's so easy, and when we have no evidence for it, it just seems like you'd caught the scent of a mislynch and dived into it.
What the hell? I certainly wasn't setting him up to be the SK- I saw the makings of the claim from Midian at this point and was looking to validate his flavor of being the "strongest drink". It was also a good way for me to get additional information on the soft-claims I've been seeking. Total misinterpretation.
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#206: You say I'm trying to set you up with bad logic. This is dumb, as I haven't actually said any logic yet. There are things you could accuse me of, but trying to set you up by sitting there, and not making any serious attack towards you, is hardly a decent way to go setting someone up. The theory that I was setting you up by not doing anything, only voting you, is just paranoia on your part. You also say that LAL definitely applies, and that we should be discussing this in the morning. This is wrong, though I think it stems more from you misunderstanding what LAL is as opposed to an actual bad logical move. You say we should discuss this in the morning. If you think LAL applies, you would not think that. Your hypothetical post would be.
This is dumb. In the morning, we should have been discussing exactly whether MMoD's lying was a pro-town activity or not, I.E, whether it was worth it. Contrary to what you seem to be saying, you are the one advocating the path that leads to little discussion, I am the one trying to add it.
I'm glad you think I'm dumb. I think we have a differing opinion on how LAL is interpreted or what I meant it would mean for the next day. If you honestly think that the following day wouldn't have started off with "Hi, MMoD, you lying scum, (insert vote on him here), care to explain yourself?" you're fooling yourself.
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#214: I dislike your attitude that because I have no rolebased info on you, there's no way I can find you suspicious. You also say that my recent logic has been poor, which strikes me as a little odd, considering I can't actually recall any game I've been in with you in which I've played well enough to deserve that accolade. Possibly L5R, but I died far too early that game to matter, and maybe Elegant, but again, that game I did a fair bit of sucking by not being confident enough. WoW is another possiblity, but you were barely paying attention in that game. So when you say that my play, and logic, this game has been sub-par, I really don't know what you're comparing it to. I'd say it's possible you're trying to barn me, but, to be blunt, I find that really improbable. Meh.
I'm basing it on the general tenencies of your posts. I read other games as well, and I pay attention to those I deem to be "good" players. Cyan and I have discussed you offline before, and I think we both have a great deal of respect for you as a player. I'm getting a totally different feeling from your posts in this game than I have anywhere else.
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It's not a great case, but I never said it was.
In which case, don't you think statements like "blah blah blah, then let's get back to lynching DYH" seem a tad misplaced?
K, I'll see if I end with enuf time to do all this.
A little bit of fishing here? Not to mention the fact that he gives no justification for his FOS (having a nightkill and being restricted is just as likely town as scum). Only reason i could see the FOS being here is that i had just started my case on MMoD.
I don't care what side they are on, if they can kill someone, they could be dangerous.
This one was Re: the type of alcohol claim. Kind of silly for him not to know this (maybe he's in elementry school?).
High School actually, and I've actually had a pretty sheltered life, and have stayed away from things like that.
Ah here we go, so this one comes after 4 votes were on ZDS already. And he's just blatantly wagoning here. Just seems like an attempt to push the wagon over the edge. The only mitigating factor here is that ZDS did make the statemetn he wouldn't claim until the 5th vote.
Exactly why I did it, because I wanted to know what he was. It helps us all doesn't it? It may just be that I'm new, but I don't get why it only helps the scum.
Ummm, he didn't make any new points! All he did was claim (which was a good claim) and reiterate his position on MMOD. Seems like he's once again just following trends and following the 3 others who unvote.
When I didn't know what to do, but didn't want to be unactive, I did what the smart ppl did.
And now Everlaster goes back to his fishing, but this time chooses to have someone else use an ability to help him? Directing a watcher is scummy and sets off alarm bells in my head.
It was a kind of common sense to me that you would target the person in question if they don't get lynched...sry for speaking my mind.
Once again not saying anything new and suggests the possiblity that MMoD was an SK without taking any direct (FOS or Vote other wise) action.
Chimp suggested the SK idea, and I felt I had already made known I had disliked MMOD.
Suggests the possiblity of ZDS still being scum after the wagon on him has passed, and then FOSes MMoD giving no reasons of his own again. Seems to be waiting for others to give opinions before committing to his own.
Theres that FOS you wanted :D. My opinion was that he could be a mafia tracker. I don't know much about roles in mafia games yet..
The post that got my attention was this one. He's clearly fence sitting once again.
I obviosly didn't want to kill a townie. I had to make up my mind still, and I was just saying what I was thinking
Note that nothing has happened in between these two posts besides my accusation.
Because I feeling more secure with voting him after rereading. Duh!
Do i NEED to point this out?. Seriously, he maintains a fence-sitting attitude and basically says I'm voting him only cuz i didn't want to be accused. Are you kidding me?
A townie would argue and explain his opinion in response to a fence sitting argument: (See nom anor in too much scum mafia). A newb scum like everlaster would proceed to do this instead: keep his attitude but put a vote on the most suspected person in order to shut up his critics.
Do I dare state that I had been suspecting him for some while? Also, that WAS my opinion.
And his last post so far is this beauty. It doesn't actualy say anything besides his comment that "He's always town" (improbable) and how does his explanation answer the accusation that he's been expressing no opinions and just following other people and has been rampant fence sitting. EVERYONE likes to analyze those who they think are scum. But that doesnt mean you post no opinions whatsoever!!!
Ya know those REAL LIFE mafia games where you draw card to play? I've never been mafia in those. I was always the first kill though. I said I like to analyze because I do, and I'd stated my opinions, and been persecuted for them.
In conclusion, Everlaster would be my lynch today because:
a. He has not expressed any opinions.
b. He has followed the voting trends.
c. when accused of fence sitting he just voted mmod for no other reason (and he doesnt deny this) so as not to be suspected of fence sitting.
a. My opinions had mostly been stated before I said them, so I went with them and got persecuted.
b. see above
c. I voted MMod because i did suspect him for a while, just took time to place my vote.
Exactly why I did it, because I wanted to know what he was. It helps us all doesn't it? It may just be that I'm new, but I don't get why it only helps the scum.
Outing townies makes it easier for the mafia to deduce who has a powerrole. If you are a townie, and believe someone else to be a townie as well, you typically have no need to know what their role is.
You have to consider whether you want the information to please your own curiosity, or if you think it will benefit the town (that is, you believe them to be mafia) .
When I didn't know what to do, but didn't want to be unactive, I did what the smart ppl did.
Remember that it is possible that some of the smart people are mafia. It is not wise to follow them blindly. I'm still quite new to mafia, so I understand that it is easy to follow the more experienced players, but you shouldn't do so just because you don't want to appear as inactive. In my opinion, if you don't know what to think about a case, you should rather state that than follow something you don't fully agree with.
Because I feeling more secure with voting him after rereading. Duh!
Do I dare state that I had been suspecting him for some while? Also, that WAS my opinion.
The thing is, you upgraded your suspicion from a fos to a vote on MMOD, without him saying anything in between, or any other new points come up, apart from Loran accusing you of fence sitting. You didn't state any reasons for this upgrade either, other than that you felt more secure. Also, in post #180 you said that part of your reasoning for voting MMOD was that you did not want to be waggoned for fence sitting. Do you think that is a good reason to vote for someone?
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Actually, I had been thinking it from the moment I found out he didn't have a vote, but I didn't have any evidence (still don't really...) but I couldn't remember what they were called (honestly not kidding, I was retarted that day, lots of bad things happend :(). Brooding means I was sitting on the idea, and I thought it was a possibility. I didn't know of any other roles that would possibly require that, besides scum of course.
Because of the not-voting, I used to think that only SK's couldn't vote at all, but its seems I was wrong. Still, that idea stuck with me.
You sound more like a backtracking mafia. Come on, you thought he was the SK because you were mafia, no?
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
The only backtracking I'm doing is remembering my thoughts at that time. I only thought he was SK because, for some reason, it made more sense to me than a scum having the restriction. If you don't like my logic, deal. I'm very irratable today.
EBWODP: AG, can we get an extension? We're pretty active for a day 1.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I would like to say there was more reasoning, but there wasn't. I just found out he didn't have a vote, and the idea popped into my head. Then the idea just solidified and refused to except anything else. I'm just mentally stubborn like that.
With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
There will be no extension to this day. The deadline remains set for Monday, January 22nd, at 12:00 PM EST.
If you want a full explanation of my reasons, feel free to PM me, but the basic reason is that I don't think that extensions are fair to other mods waiting in the queue.
I agree that Everlaster's last few admissions about his behavior are massively suspicious. 'Course, with the deadline coming tomorrow, there isn't much time to get into it, and MMoD's explanations do nothing to reassure me. At this point, we just need someone to hammer so we don't end up with a mislynch, and we can continue the discussion tomorrow.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Anyway, Everlaster's explanations aren't doing much to ease my mind about him. and if anything just make his actions seem scummier. I'd much rather lynch Everlaster today than MMoD.
Ya know pod, i dont think you're scum, but this has been pissing me off. This is the 3rd person (Me, DYH, Chimp now) who you've accused as scum in a post without really giving any reasoning. It doesn't help us really, as you don't really prove anything. If you want to make a case, make a case, but posts like these just get us confused.
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Bye bye. Nice knowing you. We'll all miss you! (kinda.. sorta... k, not all of us). Have fun being dead tho!
* loran16 thinks that you're the scum.....and that's why you wont miss him.
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The group gathers almost from the outset around Mystery Meat of Doom. "I cannot vote" Mystery Meat of Doom immediately says.
"That may be true" the chorus replies, "but that does not guarantee that you are not part of this Alcohol Mafia."
Still this argument does not compel the group to finish off Mystery Meat of Doom, however, just as things look brighter for him he admits "well, I actually can vote but only in certain situations. This was all part of my grand scheme to help us uncover the Alcohol Mafia and live in peace though."
"Bah" screams the group. "You have deceived and lied to us, that is not only an affront to good play, it must mean that you are part of the Alcohol Mafia."
Nothing Mystery Meat of Doom says or shouts has any effect on the group, as they push him closer and closer to the register until he brushes up against it. This friction caused a spark of static electricity to jump onto Mystery Meat of Doom which causes him to instantly erupt in flames.
Helplessly you watch and witness him going up in flames until nothing is left outside the shell of him.
Closely inspecting this shell reveals that you just lynched Mystery Meat of Doom, Bacardi 151, Townie Closer.
The Living:
CarrionPigeons
Chimpanzee
Cubus
Dragyn_mage
DYH
Everlaster X
Loran16
Pod
Zchinque
ZDS
The Dead:
AbbeyGargoyle, Bombay Sapphire, ModGod
fadeblue, Hennessey, Chic Reviewer
Zigathon, Jack Daniels, Undecided Townie Finished in one chug (modkilled) Day 1
Mystery Meat of Doom, Bacardi 151, Townie Closer, Caught on fire (lynched) Day 1.
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MMoD: Draygn_Mage, Zchinque, CP, Everlaster, DYH, Pod
Everlaster_X: loran16, Chimpanzee
Not Voting: MMoD, ZDS, Cubus
It is now Night. Please do not post in the thread. The deadline for night actions is Thursday, January 25th at 12 PM EST. If they are in early, I will begin the day early, so please let me know all decisions ASAP.
You all awake from a restful night without the slightest tinge of a hangover; one of the advantages of being alcohols instead of partaking in alcohols. Unfortunately, the largest benefit of not partying hard is absent from your particular package store: a large mess is clearly visible on the package store floor.
The group gathers in your usual spot when someone realizes that Carrion Pigeons is not with you today and nowhere to be seen on the shelves. You gaze down onto the liquor store floor and see his remains shattered all over the floor in the shape of a crown. His sweet smell and color, as well as his now visible label make it obvious that you have lost Carrion Pigeons, Captain Morgan, Townie Amputator.
The Living: Chimpanzee Cubus Dragyn_mage DYH Everlaster X Loran16 Pod Zchinque ZDS
The Dead: AbbeyGargoyle, Bombay Sapphire, ModGod fadeblue, Hennessey, Chic Reviewer Zigathon, Jack Daniels, Undecided Townie Finished in one chug (modkilled) Day 1 Mystery Meat of Doom, Bacardi 151, Townie Closer, Caught on fire (lynched) Day 1. Carrion Pigeons, Captain Morgan, Townie Amputator, shattered on the floor in the shape of a crown Night 1
Don't know what to make of that. My guess, however, is that since pod came out firing at him today that he has some idea. Is that a logical assesment?
So, the first order of business for me is to go back and look at our recently departed's posts. There's usually more information to glean from connections to a dead scum, but it never hurts to look back at dead townies for information.
Obviously we're not in a good spot right now, so here's to hoping the intel from our watcher pans out. We need to nab a scum today.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
1)Who are the two most suspicious players in this game? Cite relevant posts.
Well, I do have to agree that I'm pretty suspicious, sadly. I think enuf of my posts have been referenced on this matter, and I don't have much time [my mother doesn't know I have an mtgs acc]. Other than that I'd have to say the info from ZDS makes Chimp looks suspicious, see post 312 I believe.
2)Who are the most Pro-town players in this game? Cite relelvant posts.
I would have to say ZDS for his abilites [312] and you, since you've taken to giving a questionare to someone who was suspected.
3)Why did you join MTGsalvation? Do you stay for the magic or the atmosphere?
I joined becaue i had just found ME2, and wanted to play around with it. I stayed because as a kid I watched lots of soap operas with my Great Grandma, and this is very dramatic. Also, I think ppl are funny here.
4)Do you feel happy with the way yesterday went?
IRL, yes, my quiz bowl team won :D.
In game, no, because we didn't lynch scum, but a little yes because I really don't think MMOD looked pro-town either.
5)What are your aspirations in life?
I like to sing, I want to go to college, sing barbershop after that, until I find a steady job I like.
6)What do you hope to gain from this game?
Experience, and improve my logic skills.
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Some of those questions towards Everlaster seem somewhat... irrelevent towards the game, I've gotta say.
I guess I should ability claim given ZDS's last post.
Each night I can target two players. If those two players vote for one another during the day, the vote does not count towards the lynch.
I'll give name and flavor if requested by multiple people, but full claiming doesn't seem necessary right now.
Everlaster: How is ZDS both your most suspicious and most pro-town? Also, why does giving someone a questionnaire make them seem pro-town to you (aside from the obvious sucking up to the questioner)?
You were two players who had had some cross-fire but I considered both pretty much townish. The ability is probably more useful late game, but I figured there was no point in not using it early since it decreases the likelihood of a mislynch and gave me a small chance of confirming my ability early. I don't see any significant risks about using it so I decided to use it.
I didn't bring it up yesterday since I meant to use claiming as a last resort since then I wouldn't have to give away information unless absolutely necessary and it looked to me like the tide was turning towards Everlaster towards the end of the day and MMoD was becoming secondary lynch target, so claiming looked unnecessary.
Also, I'm not exactly liking Everlaster's post-lynch post there. He hasn't gotten any less scummy since yesterday so I'm still fine with keeping my vote on him. Vote Everlaster
O_O. Okay, this is a toughie. Both Chimp and everlaster look scummy as hell.
We can actually test chimp's ability, but only if we try to lynch Pod or DYH. In otherwords, while it looks testable, it's really not.
Mind you, i dont really ever get why the ability would be useful, but......
Meanwhile Everlaster answered the :Who do you think is scummy and the who do you think is town questions with answers that are completely useless (naming the 90% confirmed watcher and Pod, who looks kind of townie and then calling chimp as the only scum......)
I'm still feeling an Everlaster lynch at the moment.
But before we do anything, Pod and DYH, did anything else happen to you? If Chimp is not what he says he is (ZDS suggested mafia redirector), perhaps we can figure it out....
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Ugh, that is an awful claim. It's even worse than he immediately jumps on to vote the newbie with a little dirt on him. I'd like more information on the claim (role name, flavor).
@loran: Nothing happened to me last night that I'm aware. Pod?
Are you talkin bout 141? I fail to see what that has to do with it.
Everelaster's behavior, and his weak and easy answer to pod's question, were the reasons i thought him scum, not his postulating mmod as the sk.
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In conclusion, Everlaster would be my lynch today because:
a. He has not expressed any opinions.
b. He has followed the voting trends.
c. when accused of fence sitting he just voted mmod for no other reason (and he doesnt deny this) so as not to be suspected of fence sitting.
I believe it was u who brought up the sk speculation as scummy, not me...
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I too, would like the flavor on how your ability works Chimp. I know AG put a decent amount of effort into these roles and they seem flavorful so far. Can't wait to hear what kind of alcohol makes votes not count.
@ZDS-I would disagree with you there (I thought my pbpa was the majority of the reason why some were at all concerned with Everlast), but seriously, so i think someone is scum because of a pbpa i've done on them and my reading throughout the game. I never commented on your comment cuz we were a. close to deadline and then b. the chimp thing came up today.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
Uh-huh, and that makes you look SO much more townie. In any case, you must have missed the part where I said that that was an aside. The point was that you never showed (or even gave a hint of an intention to show) an ability to do anything other than prove that you could lie to the town.
You have completely failed to show that the mafia would have been frightened by anything you did, or could do. You have completely failed to even show that this was your intention.
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Does anyone else see how pathetic this defense is? "I spent the whole day, right up to the point where a person I wanted lynched (ZDS) was one vote away from death, doing nothing that indicated I wanted to be nightkilled, but I was planning to." Can we get some other opinions here, please?
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To be frank, I'd be fine with MMoD going down today. It's likely too late in the game to persuade the group to change to my primary suspect (pod) with him essentially MIA. All I was basing MMoD's defense on really was the solid claim, and he certainly could have pulled that from Midian himself.
His "plan" stinks. Granted, it's very clear that MMoD and Chamber think in completely different mafia terms than your general player, but any townie who would willingly lie about being a mason with an unknown and said scum player following along with the mason claim speaks volumes, IMHO.
That aside, to extrapolate, votelessness is not always indicative of a power role, so that part is iffy, for starters. Subsquently turning around by hammering someone when he'd stated he can't vote is going to eliminate the mafia's desire to kill him, anyhow, as they know damn well (contrary to Pod's discussion on LAL earlier) that the town is going to jump down his throat the next day. Regardless of how MMoD plays, what matters here is the play of the general populace, and I think we can agree that would be the normal reaction of your average player base.
I'll place the vote, but there's no need to rush. I'm still waiting on Pod's content post that he promised was coming over 24 hours ago.
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I felt that I showed my intention to scare the mafia.
Pathetic as it may be, it's the truth.
Also, CP, are you going to respond to 256? Or refute it? Because I took the lack of refutation as you agreeing with me on those points.
My posts were not sarcastic drivel. Most of it were valid defenses and arguments. 260 was the only one which was basically drivel.
Also, when I die and show up as town, it'll mean that what I've said are true. The one thing I lied about was that I was voteless. I lie alot as mafia, but as town I try to lie as little as possible. This happens to be the first game that I've tried gambitting in.
I really don't like how DYH brought up Magic mafia again. As scum in that situation, it was the only thing I could do. I was going down and it was my one way of surviving, and the biggest factor was that I thought he was a traitor (and a few other factors had influence - eg. hilarity). Don't try to twist it around and make it sound like it was such a crazy move on my part. I think only a bit different then normal mafia players, I'd say, except on certain occasions. This game, for example. No more on that.
No actual feelings of scumminess on MMoD to start.
A little bit of fishing here? Not to mention the fact that he gives no justification for his FOS (having a nightkill and being restricted is just as likely town as scum). Only reason i could see the FOS being here is that i had just started my case on MMoD.
Bunch of posts saying nothing...
This one was Re: the type of alcohol claim. Kind of silly for him not to know this (maybe he's in elementry school?).
Ah here we go, so this one comes after 4 votes were on ZDS already. And he's just blatantly wagoning here. Just seems like an attempt to push the wagon over the edge. The only mitigating factor here is that ZDS did make the statemetn he wouldn't claim until the 5th vote.
Ummm, he didn't make any new points! All he did was claim (which was a good claim) and reiterate his position on MMOD. Seems like he's once again just following trends and following the 3 others who unvote.
And now Everlaster goes back to his fishing, but this time chooses to have someone else use an ability to help him? Directing a watcher is scummy and sets off alarm bells in my head.
Once again not saying anything new and suggests the possiblity that MMoD was an SK without taking any direct (FOS or Vote other wise) action.
Suggests the possiblity of ZDS still being scum after the wagon on him has passed, and then FOSes MMoD giving no reasons of his own again. Seems to be waiting for others to give opinions before committing to his own.
The post that got my attention was this one. He's clearly fence sitting once again.
AFTER i accuse him of fence sitting, he responds with:
Note that nothing has happened in between these two posts besides my accusation. After MMoD posts the following:
and Everlaster responds with:
Do i NEED to point this out?. Seriously, he maintains a fence-sitting attitude and basically says I'm voting him only cuz i didn't want to be accused. Are you kidding me?
A townie would argue and explain his opinion in response to a fence sitting argument: (See nom anor in too much scum mafia). A newb scum like everlaster would proceed to do this instead: keep his attitude but put a vote on the most suspected person in order to shut up his critics.
Continues not to add anything. makes a Joke FOS...
And his last post so far is this beauty. It doesn't actualy say anything besides his comment that "He's always town" (improbable) and how does his explanation answer the accusation that he's been expressing no opinions and just following other people and has been rampant fence sitting. EVERYONE likes to analyze those who they think are scum. But that doesnt mean you post no opinions whatsoever!!!
In conclusion, Everlaster would be my lynch today because:
a. He has not expressed any opinions.
b. He has followed the voting trends.
c. when accused of fence sitting he just voted mmod for no other reason (and he doesnt deny this) so as not to be suspected of fence sitting.
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Re the pbpas of pod and dyh im inclined to think that both of them are simply townies in a misargument at this point. I dont see eithr of them as being mroe scummy than Everlaster.
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Where?
I responded in 261. What else were you looking for?
In other words, you're acting like you do when you're mafia. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Listen. Here's the case against MMoD:
His role is improbable as town and his play makes no sense based on the role.
In otherwords, all we're going on on MMoD is the claim. What's been the downfall of the town in games lately? Lynching based on claims rather than play-analysis. You're trying to outguess the mod here.
And remember, MMoD, while not quite chamber, plays decently similar enough. He's just as likely to make a silly gambit like this with a role like this. And so I'm not going to lynch a player based on ability and role claim rather than based on his play. Everlaster's play reeks of newb scum, and as such, i think he's a better lead thatn MMoD.
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"His play makes no sense based on the role" is not the same thing as outguessing the mod. In fact, it's the opposite: it's suspicion based on gameplay.
In any case, for every example you can come up with of a mislynch based on claim evidence (I can think of two or three on this site), I can come up with two or three mislynches based on gameplay evidence. More importantly, I can come up with two or three people who got off the hook when they shouldn't have, based on gameplay evidence, often in spite of claim evidence. I'd hardly call it the "downfall of the town."
I'd draw your attention also to MMoD's most recent post, in which he claims never to gambit like this as town. I find it quite telling, really.
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I point out there is no contradiction and that it did make sense.
Where exactly in 261 did you refute what I said?
Mmmhmm. Keep living in that world of yours where 1 = a lot.
If I never gambit like this as town, then what do you call what I did in this game? Way to put words in my mouth and try to catch me in a lie I didn't commit.
I simply said that I tend to tell the truth as town and this was my first time gambitting.
I don't see either DYH or Pod as scum. I don't see either of the cases as very strong, as Pod, if not both them, has already said. In any case, it seems highly unlikely that either of them will be the lynch today.
The case on Everlaster, on the other hand, I can see. I'm going to give him some time to defend himself though, before I make any actions on this. Hopefully, he will be around shortly to defend and explain himself, as we are approaching deadline.
I'm not opposed to a MMOD-lynch at this time, but I might be moving my vote over to Everlaster, depending on his response to Loran's PBPA, and the other points against him.
Also, I wonder what people think about letting MMOD hammer, if we end up lynching someone who is not him. Personally, I think it would be better if he didn't.
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This whole argument is one giant logical fallacy. You left out Anime Mafia in this entire conversation as well- and the point there wasn't that the setup was broken, it was that the soft claims caught two experienced players in lies late in the game. You also missed my conversation about how a soft-claim in Midian would have likely wrecked us (the scum group). Verona mafia was broken, yes, but at the time I was championing the idea there, I had no way to know that. I was a non-house-aligned vig.
Since you seem to have a vast background of mafia games from which to pull, and you've played this card now, show me a "majority of examples" where soft-claiming in a mini-game helped the mafia. Without checking myself I'll contest it likely doesn't happen enough to begin with, and that when it does, the results aren't nearly as skewed as you might think.
Also, you've stated that I said it "may" be good here. How can that be "wrong"? It's a gambit, a guess. You can't possibly know it's unhelpful, right? Unless you're - uh-oh! Feel me? [/gross exaggeration to make a point]
I have a 'scum read' on you, and you're using bad logic. I'm not sure what more you want me to explain, here.
What the hell? I certainly wasn't setting him up to be the SK- I saw the makings of the claim from Midian at this point and was looking to validate his flavor of being the "strongest drink". It was also a good way for me to get additional information on the soft-claims I've been seeking. Total misinterpretation.
I'm glad you think I'm dumb. I think we have a differing opinion on how LAL is interpreted or what I meant it would mean for the next day. If you honestly think that the following day wouldn't have started off with "Hi, MMoD, you lying scum, (insert vote on him here), care to explain yourself?" you're fooling yourself.
In which case, don't you think statements like "blah blah blah, then let's get back to lynching DYH" seem a tad misplaced?
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DYH: Pod
Pod: DYH
MMoD: Draygn_Mage, Zchinque, CP, Everlaster
Everlaster_X: loran16, Chimpanzee
Not Voting: MMoD, ZDS, Cubus
Post Count
DYH 40
MMoD 35
Loran16 28
Everlaster 24
Pod 26
ZDS 25
CarrionPigeons 18
Dragyn_mage 15
AbbeyGargoyle 15
Zchinque 14
Cubus 13
Chimpanzee 11
Zigathon 7With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
The deadline is set for Monday, January 22nd, at 12:00 PM EST.
It doesn't look like anyone else much cares to chime in for discussion, so I'm going to Vote: MMoD
I think we still one further vote.
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I don't care what side they are on, if they can kill someone, they could be dangerous.
High School actually, and I've actually had a pretty sheltered life, and have stayed away from things like that.
Exactly why I did it, because I wanted to know what he was. It helps us all doesn't it? It may just be that I'm new, but I don't get why it only helps the scum.
When I didn't know what to do, but didn't want to be unactive, I did what the smart ppl did.
It was a kind of common sense to me that you would target the person in question if they don't get lynched...sry for speaking my mind.
Chimp suggested the SK idea, and I felt I had already made known I had disliked MMOD.
Theres that FOS you wanted :D. My opinion was that he could be a mafia tracker. I don't know much about roles in mafia games yet..
I obviosly didn't want to kill a townie. I had to make up my mind still, and I was just saying what I was thinking
Because I feeling more secure with voting him after rereading. Duh!
Do I dare state that I had been suspecting him for some while? Also, that WAS my opinion.
Ya know those REAL LIFE mafia games where you draw card to play? I've never been mafia in those. I was always the first kill though. I said I like to analyze because I do, and I'd stated my opinions, and been persecuted for them.
a. My opinions had mostly been stated before I said them, so I went with them and got persecuted.
b. see above
c. I voted MMod because i did suspect him for a while, just took time to place my vote.
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Outing townies makes it easier for the mafia to deduce who has a powerrole. If you are a townie, and believe someone else to be a townie as well, you typically have no need to know what their role is.
You have to consider whether you want the information to please your own curiosity, or if you think it will benefit the town (that is, you believe them to be mafia) .
Remember that it is possible that some of the smart people are mafia. It is not wise to follow them blindly. I'm still quite new to mafia, so I understand that it is easy to follow the more experienced players, but you shouldn't do so just because you don't want to appear as inactive. In my opinion, if you don't know what to think about a case, you should rather state that than follow something you don't fully agree with.
The thing is, you upgraded your suspicion from a fos to a vote on MMOD, without him saying anything in between, or any other new points come up, apart from Loran accusing you of fence sitting. You didn't state any reasons for this upgrade either, other than that you felt more secure. Also, in post #180 you said that part of your reasoning for voting MMOD was that you did not want to be waggoned for fence sitting. Do you think that is a good reason to vote for someone?
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You sound more like a backtracking mafia. Come on, you thought he was the SK because you were mafia, no?
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Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
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DYH: Pod
MMoD: Draygn_Mage, Zchinque, CP, Everlaster, DYH
Everlaster_X: loran16, Chimpanzee
Not Voting: MMoD, ZDS, Cubus
Post Count
DYH 41
MMoD 35
Loran16 30
Everlaster 31
Pod 28
ZDS 27
CarrionPigeons 18
AbbeyGargoyle 16
Dragyn_mage 15
Zchinque 15
Cubus 14
Chimpanzee 11
Zigathon 7With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
There will be no extension to this day. The deadline remains set for Monday, January 22nd, at 12:00 PM EST.
If you want a full explanation of my reasons, feel free to PM me, but the basic reason is that I don't think that extensions are fair to other mods waiting in the queue.
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Anyway, Everlaster's explanations aren't doing much to ease my mind about him. and if anything just make his actions seem scummier. I'd much rather lynch Everlaster today than MMoD.
3CB and 4CB5CB!Ya know pod, i dont think you're scum, but this has been pissing me off. This is the 3rd person (Me, DYH, Chimp now) who you've accused as scum in a post without really giving any reasoning. It doesn't help us really, as you don't really prove anything. If you want to make a case, make a case, but posts like these just get us confused.
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Wow. Could you be anymore narrow-minded?
So, CP, good thing Pod lynched me before you could reply to my last post eh? Well, let's just write this off as me winning that argument then.
Pretty sure that was the hammer. So, I won't be posting again (except bah).
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Bah.
* loran16 thinks that you're the scum.....and that's why you wont miss him.
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The group gathers almost from the outset around Mystery Meat of Doom. "I cannot vote" Mystery Meat of Doom immediately says.
"That may be true" the chorus replies, "but that does not guarantee that you are not part of this Alcohol Mafia."
Still this argument does not compel the group to finish off Mystery Meat of Doom, however, just as things look brighter for him he admits "well, I actually can vote but only in certain situations. This was all part of my grand scheme to help us uncover the Alcohol Mafia and live in peace though."
"Bah" screams the group. "You have deceived and lied to us, that is not only an affront to good play, it must mean that you are part of the Alcohol Mafia."
Nothing Mystery Meat of Doom says or shouts has any effect on the group, as they push him closer and closer to the register until he brushes up against it. This friction caused a spark of static electricity to jump onto Mystery Meat of Doom which causes him to instantly erupt in flames.
Helplessly you watch and witness him going up in flames until nothing is left outside the shell of him.
Closely inspecting this shell reveals that you just lynched Mystery Meat of Doom, Bacardi 151, Townie Closer.
The Living:
CarrionPigeons
Chimpanzee
Cubus
Dragyn_mage
DYH
Everlaster X
Loran16
Pod
Zchinque
ZDS
The Dead:
AbbeyGargoyle, Bombay Sapphire, ModGod
fadeblue, Hennessey, Chic Reviewer
Zigathon, Jack Daniels, Undecided Townie Finished in one chug (modkilled) Day 1
Mystery Meat of Doom, Bacardi 151, Townie Closer, Caught on fire (lynched) Day 1.
Vote Count
MMoD: Draygn_Mage, Zchinque, CP, Everlaster, DYH, Pod
Everlaster_X: loran16, Chimpanzee
Not Voting: MMoD, ZDS, Cubus
Post Count
DYH 41
MMoD 37Everlaster 32
Loran16 32
Pod 30
ZDS 28
CarrionPigeons 19
AbbeyGargoyle 18
Dragyn_mage 15
Zchinque 15
Cubus 14
Chimpanzee 12
Zigathon 7It is now Night. Please do not post in the thread. The deadline for night actions is Thursday, January 25th at 12 PM EST. If they are in early, I will begin the day early, so please let me know all decisions ASAP.
The group gathers in your usual spot when someone realizes that Carrion Pigeons is not with you today and nowhere to be seen on the shelves. You gaze down onto the liquor store floor and see his remains shattered all over the floor in the shape of a crown. His sweet smell and color, as well as his now visible label make it obvious that you have lost Carrion Pigeons, Captain Morgan, Townie Amputator.
The Living:
Chimpanzee
Cubus
Dragyn_mage
DYH
Everlaster X
Loran16
Pod
Zchinque
ZDS
The Dead:
AbbeyGargoyle, Bombay Sapphire, ModGod
fadeblue, Hennessey, Chic Reviewer
Zigathon, Jack Daniels, Undecided Townie Finished in one chug (modkilled) Day 1
Mystery Meat of Doom, Bacardi 151, Townie Closer, Caught on fire (lynched) Day 1.
Carrion Pigeons, Captain Morgan, Townie Amputator, shattered on the floor in the shape of a crown Night 1
Post Count
DYH 41
MMoD 37Everlaster 32
Loran16 32
Pod 30
ZDS 28
CarrionPigeons 19AbbeyGargoyle 19
Dragyn_mage 15
Zchinque 15
Cubus 14
Chimpanzee 12
Zigathon 7It is now Day 2. With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.
The deadline is set for Thursday, February 8th at 12 PM EST.
So, the first order of business for me is to go back and look at our recently departed's posts. There's usually more information to glean from connections to a dead scum, but it never hurts to look back at dead townies for information.
Obviously we're not in a good spot right now, so here's to hoping the intel from our watcher pans out. We need to nab a scum today.
Need a claim from chimp.
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Pardon the ignorance, but I've never seen a "busdriver" role, what's that?
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Bah.
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That would make for an interesting take on a doctor role (scribbles notes for future game planning), but to ZDS' point, not by selecting Pod and me.
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So, whats ur questionare Pod?
So we DO know that Chimp targetted DYH and Pod... from what I understand thats scummy yes?
vote: chimp
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Well, I do have to agree that I'm pretty suspicious, sadly. I think enuf of my posts have been referenced on this matter, and I don't have much time [my mother doesn't know I have an mtgs acc]. Other than that I'd have to say the info from ZDS makes Chimp looks suspicious, see post 312 I believe.
I would have to say ZDS for his abilites [312] and you, since you've taken to giving a questionare to someone who was suspected.
I joined becaue i had just found ME2, and wanted to play around with it. I stayed because as a kid I watched lots of soap operas with my Great Grandma, and this is very dramatic. Also, I think ppl are funny here.
IRL, yes, my quiz bowl team won :D.
In game, no, because we didn't lynch scum, but a little yes because I really don't think MMOD looked pro-town either.
I like to sing, I want to go to college, sing barbershop after that, until I find a steady job I like.
Experience, and improve my logic skills.
-g2g, finish when I can get back on, sry bout the interuption-
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I guess I should ability claim given ZDS's last post.
Each night I can target two players. If those two players vote for one another during the day, the vote does not count towards the lynch.
I'll give name and flavor if requested by multiple people, but full claiming doesn't seem necessary right now.
Everlaster: How is ZDS both your most suspicious and most pro-town? Also, why does giving someone a questionnaire make them seem pro-town to you (aside from the obvious sucking up to the questioner)?
3CB and 4CB5CB!I didn't bring it up yesterday since I meant to use claiming as a last resort since then I wouldn't have to give away information unless absolutely necessary and it looked to me like the tide was turning towards Everlaster towards the end of the day and MMoD was becoming secondary lynch target, so claiming looked unnecessary.
Also, I'm not exactly liking Everlaster's post-lynch post there. He hasn't gotten any less scummy since yesterday so I'm still fine with keeping my vote on him. Vote Everlaster
3CB and 4CB5CB!We can actually test chimp's ability, but only if we try to lynch Pod or DYH. In otherwords, while it looks testable, it's really not.
Mind you, i dont really ever get why the ability would be useful, but......
Meanwhile Everlaster answered the :Who do you think is scummy and the who do you think is town questions with answers that are completely useless (naming the 90% confirmed watcher and Pod, who looks kind of townie and then calling chimp as the only scum......)
I'm still feeling an Everlaster lynch at the moment.
But before we do anything, Pod and DYH, did anything else happen to you? If Chimp is not what he says he is (ZDS suggested mafia redirector), perhaps we can figure it out....
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@loran: Nothing happened to me last night that I'm aware. Pod?
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Everelaster's behavior, and his weak and easy answer to pod's question, were the reasons i thought him scum, not his postulating mmod as the sk.
I believe it was u who brought up the sk speculation as scummy, not me...
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Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
vote Chimp
It'll come off again if I buy the claim.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
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