I disagree. By claiming, RafaelK brought attention and suspicion to him. Is there any interest he would have in doing so, rather than play the classic "let's not bring suspicion to oneself" strategy ?
RafaelK is claiming now under the assumption that, at this moment, it is too soon to see it as a definite scum tell, and is therefore much less risky than waiting until he has been investigated/a significant case has been built on him for unrelated reasons (if I'm wrong Raf, feel free to correct me). Yet, doing that gave to some people the idea that he might be scum/neutral covering himself up. In other words, he gained nothing from his claim, other than preventing a bigger loss from happening. Which is why, considering the little amount of information we have, I consider what Rafael did to not be a tell and something he can not be blamed for… not now at least.
That's fair, but let's just keep it mind for the rest of the game.
The game that is stalling on random voting, and general bs-ery, btw.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Yeah, I'm fairly unimpressed at the uselessness of some people's posts.
Also, no-one answered my question from my first post. Can anyone give us an idea of how force and chi values work in the CCG and what some examples of high and low values are (or at least point us to a resource with that info?)
Yes I am as well..I'm also unimpressed with the grammatical errors in my previous post
Anyways, here is the link to a page with the rulebook... http://www.legendofthefiverings.com/ccg/rules.html
I'm reading up on it now. Seems that we are all personalities, obv.., and when we have things attached to us, we're each a unit. Units attack in the game, and the total force is everything in the unit.
There's also interesting stuff about negating effects (roleblockers?) Heh, tapping is bowing, and untapping is unbowing
When you start your turn, you enter the 'straighten' (untap) step where you unbow all your cards.
Now, with the attack phase (which is probably most relavent to us..) You start, as with magic, with a declare attackers 'segment'.
You choose personalities to attack certain 'provinces', and the defender chooses personalities to defend the provinces. Then there's some confusing battle action stuff.. Then in the resolution step, the total force of the attacker's army (including every unit) is added up and compared to the total force of the defender's army. The higher total wins. If the defender wins, all attacking units are destroyed. If the attacker wins, all defending units are destroyed, and if prov. strength + def. units is less than the total force of attackers, the province is destroyed as well.
Phew...I like Magic better
Now, with chi, the rulebook says it is used mainly in duels, but also in certain costs of magic spells (night abilities?)
Now then, I'm interested if everyone's force and chi matches that of their card in the game...if you're interested as well, use this site to look up your card. http://www.l5rsearch.com/
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
I am sorry, but Unvote, Vote ZDS one, funny posts are fine... but a lot in a row, with 0! content just scream SCUM! to me. I also think that it is obviously the Ps that are scum, with ZDS as the sk
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Why delayed (rather than normal), and why SK (rather than another non-town role) ?
There was a delayed SK in Sympathy for the Devil. Having multiple killers throughout the game isn't a good way to set up a mini, so usually SKs in mini games have restrictions of that nature. I really couldn't think of a way to explain the strange nature of Rafk's role.
Puzzle: A bit better? care to expand on this explination?
A thought on the SK, maybe he has an ability to to reduce someone's Force of Chi (say one per night) and if it is reduced to zero (or below his own) the person dies. Have not had a chance to go through flavor, but this possibly could work.
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Puzzle: A bit better? care to expand on this explination?
Honestly...not very much analysis going for votes in here.
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A thought on the SK, maybe he has an ability to to reduce someone's Force of Chi (say one per night) and if it is reduced to zero (or below his own) the person dies. Have not had a chance to go through flavor, but this possibly could work.
Possibly, but in the case of someone having 4 or more force/chi, this would be a 4! night kill...very weak, and probably unlikely.
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But not everyone is going to have 4 force/chi. If 4 is the max, I would probably assume that only two or 3 people had that much. This is what is going to make the job of the SK (if there is one) hard. Like it has already been said, that we cant have an SK killing everynight, then the game would be almost over already. If the SK got a kill every 2 or 3 nights then i think it would be fair.
Anyway, it don't really matter, its just speculation anyway.
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But not everyone is going to have 4 force/chi. If 4 is the max, I would probably assume that only two or 3 people had that much. This is what is going to make the job of the SK (if there is one) hard. Like it has already been said, that we cant have an SK killing everynight, then the game would be almost over already. If the SK got a kill every 2 or 3 nights then i think it would be fair.
Anyway, it don't really matter, its just speculation anyway.
4 seems to be around Average... Heck Hantei 39, the guy who Rafk claims to be seems to have 10 chi and 10 force..... though that is the possessed version of hantei.
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There is no flashy entrance this time, the ghost of Emperor Hantei the 38th simply appears on the throne. He is again holding the shining tablet. It reveals:
Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
That's, that's...unbelievable...Is someone wanting to EAT me! justification for a vote?
Psh...
I won't stoop to everyone's ridiculous level, or this game'll need a quick deadline...
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Wuffles BE SANE! thats deffinatly what needs to be said. I dont see those posts as I claim im scum rather as Im Scum, look away. And, I think that wuffles is probably not scum, just a nubby idiot (sorry wuffles), that realised his post was scummy, so he backed it up with something INSANELY scummy.
And pod I dont really care if you vote me :p, just get a good reason.
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I'd like to know as well...my best guess is that it is ZDS...from the context of CPE's post.
This game is ridiculous...
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
We haven't had a night yet and the chances of you being a daycop and daycopping arimnaes and getting lucky are vanishingly small (and if you get killed and come up day cop, we know who to lynch tomorrow!). Forgive me if I don't want to just Babyjesus someone day 1, Puzzle. Care to give us ANY reason to lynch arimnaes particularly?
@ Xyre : What do you mean by "strange nature" ? All he did was claim miller. How do you go from miller claim to "strange nature of his role" to serial killer (or any other scum/neutral) ?
I can understand why his claim would make him suspicious in the first place, but I just don't get the complete thought process.
By "strange nature", I'm pointing out that millers normally are not told they are millers. By definition. I'm trying to infer what might have caused that, which led me to consider you having a non-mafia scum role, and the only good one for minis is a delayed SK.
Puzzle, i think that you are being a little to hasty here. I agree, we dont want another Godmafia with a 2 month day 1 (or what ever it was) but it has only been 4 real days. Give the game at least a week to evolve into hopefully a reasonable and useful discussion. If nothing useful has been generated by then i will gladly jump on the band wagon for Arimnaes
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Apparently my 'attempting to joke around' part of my writing doesn't work..
I didn't vote you either...
Are you Wuffles?
And Puzzle, seriously, give some reason for lynching Arimnaes...unless this is a clever plan...
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
@ Puzzle: Jeez...he was just analyzing...that's mafia. Not like he did anything particularly scummy...and if he had, that's a fos, or maybe a vote, but not a push for a baseless lynch!
Seriously, if it's role-related, let me know, but if not...that's kinda dumb, ol' bean.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Wow... I do not know where this game is heading, but it sure is crazy. Whops... I am in like 4 games with wuffles right now and I thought he was in this one (I combined my 2 'Salvation games into one)... sorry about the confusion. I was refering to ZDS in a way, and the claiming scum thing just ignor that. I don't really think that Arimnaes is scummy, and we have CC just trying to wagon as many people as possible Fos CC I am also trying to think if Rafk would try a miller gambit like that as scum. I think that he might, but I am still unsure, and that claim is bothering me.
I also agree with pibby, we do not need another Godmafia 2 month day 1, and deffinatly should wait untill atleast a week after the game starts, before starting to annalysing players and have everybody settle down from bieng idiots who just are happy voting lots of people.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
I'm actually rather against a mass clan claim...probably because I still feel uneasy over the claim situation in the amply named "Clan Mafia". Puzzle and the mafia suggested a third letter in role name, and that enabled them to effectively win the game. We're talking about a FULL clan claim here...I don't like it. It's not going to give the town any real information (correct me if someone has any role info that tells them otherwise), and has the possibility to help the mafia much more. There's any number of clans for the mafia to claim under and hide...
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
I'm actually rather against a mass clan claim...probably because I still feel uneasy over the claim situation in the amply named "Clan Mafia". Puzzle and the mafia suggested a third letter in role name, and that enabled them to effectively win the game. We're talking about a FULL clan claim here...I don't like it. It's not going to give the town any real information (correct me if someone has any role info that tells them otherwise), and has the possibility to help the mafia much more. There's any number of clans for the mafia to claim under and hide...
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You're talking about shaman mafia.... In Clan Mafia the game was pretty broken with a mass clan claim....
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
Honestly, I'm not all gung ho about it. I'm mostly trying to provoke discussion, and the fact that everyone's just like "sure, why not" really makes me question the idea.
Honestly, I'm not all gung ho about it. I'm mostly trying to provoke discussion, and the fact that everyone's just like "sure, why not" really makes me question the idea.
Wagon Puzzle, anyone?
No, I'm definitely not ready to lynch Puzzle...yes he's acting strange...but that's the thing. Puzzle is an excellent player, and when he's mafia, he usually does a good job trying to hide it. I just don't see him acting 'scummy' as being indication of any guilt...
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
I don't see how the mafia could profit from a clan breakdown. Worst case scenario that I can see would be if there were some kind of limited-SK neutral whose goal was to eliminate all members of a certain clan, in which case we might even get an unexpected dividend if a mafioso false-claimed into that clan (I'm assuming, of course, that the mafia are all scorpion clan.)
Anyone who hasn't given an opinion on this yet ought to do so when they next post. It's possible I've overlooked something.
Re-thinking, I'm once again in favor. Looking over the descriptions of the clans, I don't think it'll really give anything away about roles, and it might give us an idea of where to start looking.
And I most certainly don't want to lynch Puzz right now either. I just want to wagon him.
Re-thinking, I'm once again in favor. Looking over the descriptions of the clans, I don't think it'll really give anything away about roles, and it might give us an idea of where to start looking.
And I most certainly don't want to lynch Puzz right now either. I just want to wagon him.
Just wagon? Wagonning puzzle is anti-town. LYNCHING puzzle is pro town. If hes town he'll come up with some weird claim to save himself that ends up damaging the town, and if hes mafia he'll convince us all hes not. You should know this by now.
I pushed the "nation claim" plan as scum in ROOTK. It only benefitted the town because of the hidden scum.
I have to have a think about it here, but I'm otherwise considering a Puzzle wagon to make him make sense.
Ummm, how was it intended to help the scum there?? In that game it ended up helping the town by tripping up CPE and by revealing the Wu's Safeclaims. But i fail to see how knowing the breakdown of wu and shu wouldve helped the scum there?
For now however, id be willing to try the claim, as this is a mini and theres far less likely for their to be a neutral SK, especially one with an objective to wipe out a specific claim.
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EBWODP: What did Puzzle do that is so scummy? All i see is him being random...
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All I can do is pray that you're not being serious...
If Puzzle is town (which I suspect) , losing him is a terrible loss...
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
All I can do is pray that you're not being serious...
If Puzzle is town (which I suspect) , losing him is a terrible loss...
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I completely disagree. And was being 100% serious, though I probably wont actually go through with it cause I'd feel bad for lynching someone just for being in the game.
That's fair, but let's just keep it mind for the rest of the game.
The game that is stalling on random voting, and general bs-ery, btw.
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Also, no-one answered my question from my first post. Can anyone give us an idea of how force and chi values work in the CCG and what some examples of high and low values are (or at least point us to a resource with that info?)
Anyways, here is the link to a page with the rulebook... http://www.legendofthefiverings.com/ccg/rules.html
I'm reading up on it now. Seems that we are all personalities, obv.., and when we have things attached to us, we're each a unit. Units attack in the game, and the total force is everything in the unit.
There's also interesting stuff about negating effects (roleblockers?) Heh, tapping is bowing, and untapping is unbowing
When you start your turn, you enter the 'straighten' (untap) step where you unbow all your cards.
Now, with the attack phase (which is probably most relavent to us..) You start, as with magic, with a declare attackers 'segment'.
You choose personalities to attack certain 'provinces', and the defender chooses personalities to defend the provinces. Then there's some confusing battle action stuff.. Then in the resolution step, the total force of the attacker's army (including every unit) is added up and compared to the total force of the defender's army. The higher total wins. If the defender wins, all attacking units are destroyed. If the attacker wins, all defending units are destroyed, and if prov. strength + def. units is less than the total force of attackers, the province is destroyed as well.
Phew...I like Magic better
Now, with chi, the rulebook says it is used mainly in duels, but also in certain costs of magic spells (night abilities?)
Now then, I'm interested if everyone's force and chi matches that of their card in the game...if you're interested as well, use this site to look up your card. http://www.l5rsearch.com/
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There was a delayed SK in Sympathy for the Devil. Having multiple killers throughout the game isn't a good way to set up a mini, so usually SKs in mini games have restrictions of that nature. I really couldn't think of a way to explain the strange nature of Rafk's role.
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A thought on the SK, maybe he has an ability to to reduce someone's Force of Chi (say one per night) and if it is reduced to zero (or below his own) the person dies. Have not had a chance to go through flavor, but this possibly could work.
Honestly...not very much analysis going for votes in here.
Possibly, but in the case of someone having 4 or more force/chi, this would be a 4! night kill...very weak, and probably unlikely.
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Anyway, it don't really matter, its just speculation anyway.
4 seems to be around Average... Heck Hantei 39, the guy who Rafk claims to be seems to have 10 chi and 10 force..... though that is the possessed version of hantei.
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With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch
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And with that, he is gone.
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What's this now?
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V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Psh...
I won't stoop to everyone's ridiculous level, or this game'll need a quick deadline...
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And pod I dont really care if you vote me :p, just get a good reason.
I'd like to know as well...my best guess is that it is ZDS...from the context of CPE's post.
This game is ridiculous...
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By "strange nature", I'm pointing out that millers normally are not told they are millers. By definition. I'm trying to infer what might have caused that, which led me to consider you having a non-mafia scum role, and the only good one for minis is a delayed SK.
This is all just me speculating.
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Town/Mafia/Other - 14/6/3
Win/Lose/Tie - 11/12/0
Nk/lynched/Survived - 16/4/3
Apparently my 'attempting to joke around' part of my writing doesn't work..
I didn't vote you either...
Are you Wuffles?
And Puzzle, seriously, give some reason for lynching Arimnaes...unless this is a clever plan...
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Somebody said something about contentlessness. I apologize, but I'll likely be like this all game. And I reserve the right to be intentionally dense.
[The Family]
Seriously, if it's role-related, let me know, but if not...that's kinda dumb, ol' bean.
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I also agree with pibby, we do not need another Godmafia 2 month day 1, and deffinatly should wait untill atleast a week after the game starts, before starting to annalysing players and have everybody settle down from bieng idiots who just are happy voting lots of people.
"Perhaps this will help," he says wearily "you have a fortnight to make your decision."
Deadline set for Saturday, October 28th, at 11:00pm ET.
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Anyone up for a mass clan claim?
[The Family]
hmm.. you arn't puzzle.. so.. why not.
Town/Mafia/Other - 14/6/3
Win/Lose/Tie - 11/12/0
Nk/lynched/Survived - 16/4/3
Couldn't hurt much; it doesn't seem to give away much about roles.
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That had everything to do with me feeling generous.
Town/Mafia/Other - 14/6/3
Win/Lose/Tie - 11/12/0
Nk/lynched/Survived - 16/4/3
I like to do a little more research about the clans before hand, and if anyone has any specific doubts, it would be nice to hear them.
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You're talking about shaman mafia.... In Clan Mafia the game was pretty broken with a mass clan claim....
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Wagon Puzzle, anyone?
[The Family]
Eh, that's right...
No, I'm definitely not ready to lynch Puzzle...yes he's acting strange...but that's the thing. Puzzle is an excellent player, and when he's mafia, he usually does a good job trying to hide it. I just don't see him acting 'scummy' as being indication of any guilt...
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Anyone who hasn't given an opinion on this yet ought to do so when they next post. It's possible I've overlooked something.
And I most certainly don't want to lynch Puzz right now either. I just want to wagon him.
[The Family]
Just wagon? Wagonning puzzle is anti-town. LYNCHING puzzle is pro town. If hes town he'll come up with some weird claim to save himself that ends up damaging the town, and if hes mafia he'll convince us all hes not. You should know this by now.
Town/Mafia/Other - 14/6/3
Win/Lose/Tie - 11/12/0
Nk/lynched/Survived - 16/4/3
I have to have a think about it here, but I'm otherwise considering a Puzzle wagon to make him make sense.
Ummm, how was it intended to help the scum there?? In that game it ended up helping the town by tripping up CPE and by revealing the Wu's Safeclaims. But i fail to see how knowing the breakdown of wu and shu wouldve helped the scum there?
For now however, id be willing to try the claim, as this is a mini and theres far less likely for their to be a neutral SK, especially one with an objective to wipe out a specific claim.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
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Him being puzzle is good enough for a day1 lynch.
Town/Mafia/Other - 14/6/3
Win/Lose/Tie - 11/12/0
Nk/lynched/Survived - 16/4/3
If Puzzle is town (which I suspect) , losing him is a terrible loss...
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I completely disagree. And was being 100% serious, though I probably wont actually go through with it cause I'd feel bad for lynching someone just for being in the game.
Town/Mafia/Other - 14/6/3
Win/Lose/Tie - 11/12/0
Nk/lynched/Survived - 16/4/3
Town/Mafia/Other - 14/6/3
Win/Lose/Tie - 11/12/0
Nk/lynched/Survived - 16/4/3
Net runner mafia on manatap.
Town/Mafia/Other - 14/6/3
Win/Lose/Tie - 11/12/0
Nk/lynched/Survived - 16/4/3