Quote from Abandon Hope » So let me show you another way of doing this. We attempt to lynch Az, prove him as Cao Cao. Kenji goes to vig him, and I do nothing to stop it. Tomorrow you have dead Cao Cao, a live vig, and a live role blocker all working towards a town victory.
I won't be exactly cleared, but I'd hope letting Cao Cao die would be a large evidence towards it.
The plan doesn't exactly work if Az isn't Cao Cao. In that case, I'll let myself die to Kenji.
Quote from RafaelK »Going to night guaranteed to have two scum including a roleblocker active is so fun. You realise that if you (for the sake of argument) are not scum, there is another scum roleblocker out there? So this plan wouldn't work anyway?
Quote from RafaelK »We'll just trust you on that. Except... no. And incidentally, letting yourself die as a townie would aid the mafia and be a major non-no, but of course scum do like making empty promises
Quote from RafaelK »If it turns out you're Cao Cao and we really should lynch Az first, you (verbally) and Az (failure to seriously defend himself) have done a fantastic con job convincing me that you desperately want us to try to lynch Az first, I'll give you that.
Quote from Abandon Hope »and I caught myself off guard.
Quote from Abandon Hope »What makes you say that? Why does there have to be another roleblocker?
If you'd like I could block you. Then, if you have a activated ability, you could confirm I targeted you, regardless of block
Trust me for one night, and in the morning the town will be in a better situation. I can be a great asset to the town.
As for letting myself die, it would make things alot clearer for the town, so I'm no sure it's all bad.
I like hearing about how Az and I have been collaborating. It makes me feel special. But I think If Az and I were working together we'd have come up with a better plan,
Quote from Seppel »I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
Quote from Abandon Hope »Fade seemed a little defensive about being part of the three I mentioned. Arimnaes seemed relativly unconcerned. Don't know which is more suspicous.
Quote from Azrael »*pokes head back in thread* So, I'm still alive?
I see. Someone is trying to be tricky.
Kenji's vig claim has remained beyond question since it hasn't been counter-claimed, but we have yet to see his ability confirmed.
Keeper claimed mason with who?
The double mason quandary still remains somewhat unresolved, although I seem to remember that he was one of the actual masons, not one of the semi-just-friends masons.
And lastly there is me, who you already know as a retaliatory protecter/tiger general.
I'm fairly ambivalent about the claim order of the remaining few. I wouldn't be opposed to a Rafaelk, FB, Arimnaes order, however. Rafaelk since he seems to be the consensus choice for dispatching AH yesterday, FB since he was most interested in determing the order after that and he's been relatively low-profile, followed by Arimnaes by default.
You, unless you'd like to explain why the scum would prevent a townie from being vigged.
Quote from Abandon Hope »My one time protection ability used an altar that i'm guessing set up an aura.
Quote from fadeblue »An altar? Yup, you're scum.
Quote from fadeblue »RafK: On what basis are you claiming that arimnaes can only prevent non-Wei kills?
He never mentioned anything of the sort,
Then you even go out of the way to raise the possibility of arimnaes trying to clear himself with a limited-doc claim (which he didn't)
when that would implicate a Kenji/arim pair
As for Az, I finally had time to think it over again, and it seems we both missed an even stronger point
if Az were telling the truth about his ability, letting Kenji kill Az is actually a possible loss of 2 townies at once.
I've never claimed that I am clear, nor have I tried to "clear myself".
I am letting my play do the talking, and if the rest of you can't see that I'm town, then so be it.
Your attempt to turn the suspicion onto me is noted, though.
Why do I know about the altar? Because my Night 3 PM described the altar to me.
And it's there where I was attacked.
In the end, rather than letting the day go longer so we can properly analyze the situation, you're pushing this lynch as strongly as possible. That doesn't strike me as quite townie.
You also have yet to answer the question: Who were your protection targets?
Quote from RafaelK »Speculative. I know my ability, I trust Kenji that arimnaes is who he says he is, and I don't believe arimnaes can be a full doctor if I'm not, plus arimnaes' protection pattern of 2 non-mafia kill protects and 0 mafia protects doesn't exactly disagree with me.
It could also be a really really brilliant way to suck us into believing arimnaes is cleared (especially given the studious playing-around of the actual Wei kill targets, including a night where instead of just protecting someone out-of-the-way he claims to have protected no-one so as to clear himself of being a roleblocking doctor),
Did we both?
Yes. In other words, the mafia would have been mathematically bloody stupid to block Kenji last night if Az is town. I seem to think I've already said that, but it's nice of you to come around and realise your scum buddy is indefensible.
Would it be unfair to translate that to "If you vote for me, you're blind and stupid and you suck"?
This would be the night where you claim that your ability stopped the mafia kill?
Or where you did the attacking?
AH claimed the altar was his protection ability. In hindsight, I think believing him might be tech
My strategy has had one success already- rather than pursuing this "hmm, is it Raf and Az or Raf and Keeper?" thing and acting like Az can be defended, you've had to admit that Az is the guy.
Quote from fadeblue » We'll see whether arimnaes has more to say about his role.
As for arimnaes being a mafia roleblocking-doc, you seem to forget that Kenji successfully vigged Cyan the night he confirmed that arimnaes saved him.
Nice observation, but your imagination deceives you. I'm sure you won't believe me, but at least *I* know what happened to myself that night.
Quote from fadeblue »We'll see whether arimnaes has more to say about his role.
Quote from fadeblue » By the way, how exactly did you figure that out, Raf?
Keen observers will note that in this game, the mafia may talk during the day, just as in Sin City. I would have to be utterly bloody stupid to set up a plan to trap a fellow mafia on day 1. WIFOM doesn't even come into it, it would just be a horrible play if I could have fed cpe the tactics... we can tell now that the Wei had a max four players, going down to 3 on day 1 to not even clear a mafia member at all would just be pointless.
Quote from creampuffeater »ok sorry for my absence... but I am here and will claim as all of you want. I am Zhuge Jin, the brother of Zhuge Liang (yes i know he was mentioned earlier :() My role is copish, but not a full cop. Every night I can look for Cao Cao only not other mafia. So far I know that Az is not Cao Cao. I dont really understand the flavor, but it is something like i have some of my brothers military skills....
Quote from RafaelK »The design appears to be that instead of roles to assist us zero in on the scum with investigations, we get some protection while we try to lynch scum through logic, and there's a lot of proven defensive roles already to back up that theory.
Quote from Kenji »Pseudo-Vote Count:
Az - 2 (Keeper, Raf)
So with one more FOS/Vote thingy, Az would be lynched... Are we all happy with this? [Apart from Az obviously who wont be, Az who do you want lynched?]