You have each been brought here, from across Time and Space, to participate in a contest. Some of you are what Mortals would consider “Good,” and some, well, not so Good. But which Philosophy is truly best? That is what we shall attempt to determine here, aboard my Starship.
The Idea is simple really: If you’re Good, find the Evil ones, vote them out. Get them before they get you. If you’re Evil, stay hidden, gain their trust, lead them astray until they are all dead.
Think you already know how to play this game? Think again.
Think it’s supposed to be fair? Whoever said life was fair?
And whatever you do, don’t try to second guess me. I guarantee you’ll be wrong. Remember, I am infinitely more intelligent than you. But just to give you a “hint,” not all of you have been brought here from the same Time and Place. Or even the same Universe.
Shall we begin?
My rules (stolen from an unusually bright Mortal):
Nights should last approximately four real world days. If all choices come in sooner, night may end sooner. If your choice doesn’t get in on time, you will do nothing.
The day will last as long as it needs to. If discussion lags, I may impose a deadline.
Votes must be in BOLD or they will not be counted. Unvoting is not required, but is appreciated.
Lynches happen after a majority is reached. Once a player has the required amount of votes, he or she may be considered dead and you may not unvote. (well, you can, but I will ignore it.)
You may also VOTE: No Lynch. If a majority vote for this the day will end without a lynch.
If a deadline is reached with no majority achieved there will be no lynch.
Once your death scene is posted you are, well, dead. No more posting please (a short farewell post, like “Bah,” is okay, but no talking about the game)
Do not edit or delete your posts.
Do not quote my PMs. This will be the quickest way to get yourself Q-killed. Do not try to get tricky with this either. I will be monitoring closely.
All the “Good” players have been given a Win Condition along the lines of “Eliminate all the Non-town.” Don’t go asking anyone for their exact wording. It’s not the same.
No communication outside the thread unless your role specifically allows it.
If you anticipate being gone for more than 72 hours please post in the thread to say so.
Q. is always right.
Remember this is a game. While I expect you to amuse me, please do so without belittling your fellow players.
Final List of the Living:
6. Cyan
8. Ged
18. Chamber
Removed from the Game Forever:
21. Bateleur(Evil Mirror Universe Duplicate of Jadzia/Ezri Dax – Second Life Mafia) - Lynched Day 1
16. arimnaes (Lt. Uhura - Town Night Communicator) Killed Night 2
17. Kokusho (Quark - Town One-Shot Visionary) Killed Night 2
20. Athos (replacing CropCircles)(Benjamin Lafayette Sisco - Town Gambler) Killed Night 2
1. Machin Shin (Montgomey Scott "Scotty" - Town) -Lynched Day 2
9. Azrael (Worf - Town with Phasor) - Killed Night 3
19. Matjoeman (Hikaru Sulu - Town Time Traveler) - Killed Night 3
5. Hawkeye7 ("The Doctor" - Town Emergency Doctor) - Lynched Day 3
4. Disrupt_Your_Hymn (Dr. Beverly Cheryl Crusher - Town Doctor) - Killed Night 4
7. Puzzle (Miles Edward O'Brien - Town Transporter Operator) - Killed Night 4
22. loran16 (Lore - Serial Killer) - Lynched Day 4
3. fadeblue (Odo - Town Shapeshifter) - Killed Night 5
12. Chimpanzee (Evil Mirror Universe Dupilcate of Tuvok - Mafia with Phasor) - Lynched Day 5
15. Rafaelk (Spock - Town Mind Melder) - Killed Night 6
13. Passdog (7 of 9 - Town) - Lynched Day 6
14. sgdre (replacing LJustus replacing sgdre) (Chakotay - Town) - Killed in Endgame.
11. draygn_mage (replacing Armlx) (Deanna Troi - Town Empath) - Killed in Endgame.
10. Hooga (replacing Rahl) (James Tiberius Kirk - Town 1 Shot Vigilante) - Killed in Endgame.
2. Xyre (replacing Jobie replacing avabob replacing Turbo164) (Jean-Luc Picard - Untargetabe Town) - Killed in Endgame.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
It is now Night 1. All Players please confirm receipt of your Roles via PM. You may also submit any night choices that you have. Because it is the Weekend, and also because I will be out of town, Night will end sometime on Wednesday, March 29, or possibly sooner if all choices are submitted sooner.
Night 1 is a NO KILL Night. All non-lethal Nightchoices will still apply.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Everyone please remember, if you are choosing NOT to use an ability tonight, you must let me know that as well. The sooner the better.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Good Morning Everyone! Time to rise and shine! I trust everyone had a restful Night. I assure you, it will be the last “restful” Night you will be seeing anytime soon.
All present and accounted for? Good. Time to begin then.
On your mark…get set….GO!
It is now Day 1. With 22 alive it will take 12 to lynch.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Also, through no role ability of my own, I have been informed that a certain character is in the game, and is probably a townie, as far as I can tell. Any opinions on whether I should reveal their identity sooner or later? It's something of a unique situation, in that it will eventually confirm a townie without immediately painting a target on their chest, but still may possibly give the scum some info.
Azrael. I think its best, in my opinion for whatever its worth, that you not reveal this information at this time. If a person claims that role and is not counterclaimed, Id think it wouldnt hurt to reveal it so as we dont accidentally lynch that person.
Until then, lets not tell the scum which claims are wrong to try and false claim.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
Ok, I first want to say the top 3 characters I hope are in the game:
1. Darth Vader SK
2. Trekkie cult leader
3. Some sort of read-suit character that has an ability based on getting killed.
Heh heh. Those just made me smirk.
Az, I also think waiting is probly the best idea for the town (despite being curious myself) for the same reasons as Loran.
Also, I guess I'll be the first to ask if anyone knows what that die role was about. Some sort of mod ability or player ability? Any speculation on it?
I agree w/ Loran. It seems better to keep as much information from the Mafia as is possible, to make it that much more difficult for them to deceive us if they should try to do so.
Now that you've said you can confirm a player as town, I would reveal who it is so that we can start building a group of confirmed townies and can get rid of scum by process of elimination. In addition if you don't reveal you will become a prime target for NK so that the town does NOT get useful info. Confirmed townies are worst thing in the world for them.
I would not reveal straight away though. Wait until the end of the day, say when someone is at seven or nine votes, and then unleash so that we have the info for the following day. Until then lets go ahead with the usual day 1 activities and see if we can turn up some scum.
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Sorry I misread your statement. I read it as being able to confirm a player now.
If Az knows of a role that is town, and that information would die with him, he should reveal it. We don't lose much by telling the Mafia one role that they can't false claim.
However, it appears only to be Az's conjecture that the role is town, so even if he reveals it, we can't really consider it clear. Az, how confident are you in your judgment of the role as town?
I think another good question is..why should we believe it? It would be fairly easy to say that another of your Mafia buddies is town and claim to be '100% sure'. That's a good immunity for as long as Az didn't get lynched/discovered as Mafia.
I agree that he should reveal it if he were about to die, obviously, but only then IMO. Other than that I don't see any real reason to do so.
I think another good question is..why should we believe it? It would be fairly easy to say that another of your Mafia buddies is town and claim to be '100% sure'. That's a good immunity for as long as Az didn't get lynched/discovered as Mafia.
We don't have to believe it. Az has said he's willing to stake his life on his assessment of the claim. By committing now, we can make much better judgments later on when the person with that role claims. If Az is dead when that happens, then we have much more ground to work with; otherwise, we treat it simply as any other claim.
I agree that he should reveal it if he were about to die, obviously, but only then IMO. Other than that I don't see any real reason to do so.
How do you define "about to die"? All of us can die during the night without us expecting it. I think Az should come forward with it by the end of the day.
Well, obviously anyone can be night-killed. So yeah, maybe, it should be revealed at the end of Day 1. It seems like circumstances could dictate that.
If I were making up a story to make a Mafia buddy able to be incognito, I'd 'stake my life on it too'. Either way, if Az ends up being wrong and the character isn't town, the logical assumption/err on the side of caution is that he cooked up the story and is going to get lynched anyway, so sure, why not say 'yeah I'll stake my life on it'..your life is on the line as soon as you make the revelation anyway.
@sgdre: So, did you actually read what Az said? He said that he knows a character name that is in the game and is prety sure(enough so to theoretically stake his life on it) that they're town. I don't see what other information there would be or why the nature of it is relevant.
Cyan, you seem to think that Az giving us this info is going to auto-clear someone. This is not the case. Az has voluntarily tied himself to another role, and this is good for us whether he is scum or not. It means we have more information to work with. There are only 2 times it will come into play:
1) The person with that role claims. Depending on our opinion of Az at that point (or if we know his alignment), that gives us additional evidence for judging that claim.
2) The person with that role dies and Az is still alive. If the person is townie, Az does gain some credibility, though we should still be cautious.
First post and I've already got something to analyze.
So, in terms of Az claiming the cleared name
Pros
-The information could semi-clear a townie, we don't have to assume its true but it is not harmful information in itself.
-Assuming Az is telling the truth, we are best off getting the info out of him before the end of the day
Cons
-It reduces the probability of catching scum via false name claim.
I think we are probably best off having Az reveal the info and having the person of that name come forward. Cleared townies are very helpful, especially early game where they give you someone that you know (or are at least reasonably assured) isn't trying to mislead you.
I would automatically advocate not revealing it in almost any other case, but it is Az here. In any mafia game he is automatically a big target anyways and it gives the scum more reason to target him. Still, the info is much better being used at the right time than being blurted out enough that I would risk losing it (plus it gives more reason to save Az.... heh).
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I still don't see a case for why it shouldn't be revealed. Because that lets the Mafia know one role they can't false claim? You guys do realize the size of the Star Trek universe, right? Saving the information is unlikely to help us catch scum.
We could always doc Az... Even if Az does come forward with the info immediatly, I deffinitly don't want the person to come forward. That'd totally void the clearing as soon as we go to night.
I think it would be useful for Az to give us this tidbit, at least by the end of the day. It would not, however, be productive for the person in question to step forward. It just gives the scum a confirmed townie to kill tonight.
Oh, Azrael, you and your day one gambits. I read what you think of us here on MTGS over on 'Tings in Star Wars mafia. The implication wasn't very nice.
In any event, if you have some useful information, out with it. I think Fadeblue is making a very valid point: the Star Trek Universe is huge. Thus, eliminating a potential false-claim to clear a townie is a win in my book. (Yes, go ahead and tick me in the "agreed with coming forward column".)
I agree that the name should be named, if you weren't going to name it you shouldn't have mentioned having it in the first place. The person shouldn't come forward, though. I agree with arimnaes matjoe sgdre on that and strongly disagree with chimpanzee.
If Azrael reveals the name scum are unlikely to use it as a fake claim early on because a one for one at this point is bad for them. Later in the game the risk might be worth it for them to try and fake claim using that name.
I am starting to think we are better off hearing it now and hopefully reduce the chance of someone using to conceal their real persona later.
To business: Like Chimp said, the only drawback to revealing is reducing potential false claims. Az, how prominent is the role name? Are we talking someone like Worf, or "the engineer from episodes 37 and 92?" If it's a role no one's heard of, the odds are against anyone falseclaiming it (on the other hand, it would be a big gambit to claim someone like Spock who would be more likely to be countered...).
However, the named person should not come forward. FOS Chimp for that... way to dig up nightkill targets.
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I agree. At this point all we can do by having the name out there is give the mafia breathing room. However unlikely the mafia might still pick it as a false claim.
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Quite a few people haven't spoken at all yet, including some good contributors (like Puzzle) and yet we already have a bit of a discussion going. Bodes well.
Oh, and should get the obligatory random Star Trek joke out of the way, so here goes.
How much brie is kept in the engineering section of Deep Space Nine?
Oh, Azrael, you and your day one gambits. I read what you think of us here on MTGS over on 'Tings in Star Wars mafia. The implication wasn't very nice.
i have no idea what you're talking about. Nope, not a clue.
(You have to admit though, folks over on 'tings are a lot more "jaded" than on salvation, in general. It takes a lot more to provoke reactions by running weird gambits and acting strangely over there, than it is here. Half the people in the thread didn't even bat an eyelash until the Wicket post . Wasn't meant so much as a disparaging comment as it was an observation of the vastly differing playstyles. We're talking about the "this is much easier on salvation" comment, right?)
So, Az, about this "clear other townie" thing - I'm quite happy for you to use your own judgement TBH since I don't know what the wording is on your PM.
I tend to feel that because of your status as a favourite nightkill target there's a strong case for passing information on in some form. However, that doesn't have to be now. It could be at the other end of the day... which might be a really long time from now given the number of players and the amount of discussion we're already seeing.
Regarding that die roll at the start of the thread - the fact that the result is public suggests to me that it's of interest to more than one player. Possibly it even means we can work out its significance; a puzzle of some kind perhaps. Anyone got any clues yet ? (Although obviously if it's a town ability don't come forward and explain it all if it would make you a nightkill target.)
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First of all, Az i am with the Come forward and claim pod. Likely it would make such a falseclaim useless, but as a common nightkill target right off the bat, i believe you NOT taking the info to the grave.
Regarding the random dice roll, i refer to the game name.. "The Q Conundrum". Now, what is Q known for doing? Meddling, i believe it amazingly likely that Q will be a meddlesome force, with the number having an effect on the players, adverse or not. Think about it people... ITS FRICKIN Q!!
Goodluck, and i dont trust any of you
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I'm gonna agree with the majority here. One name out of all the possibilities will not change much as far as scum trying to false claim. However, the name is all we need at the moment, and the owner of that name should most certainly not come forward yet. Vote Chimpanzee for trying to expose a cleared townie.
On a side note, I will have sporadic access until Sunday evening, but I will try to occasionally check in.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
While its apparently a bad idea, and I'm probably just not seeing something, but why exactly is having a confirmed townie early on a bad thing? Someone's going to get night killed anyway and with a cleared townie there's at least a WIFOM for the scum about whether the doc will target them or not.
I'm not advocating the person comming forward as soon as the name has been said, I'm just interested because of lack of experience in why this is a bad idea. The only argument I've heard so far is that it would stretch or tie the doc, which is a perfectly good one, but are there any others?
Also, you may be on to something with the 'Q is messing with us' theory there, bat. Even if that die role isn't from Q, I would expect later there to be something from him.
(You have to admit though, folks over on 'tings are a lot more "jaded" than on salvation, in general. It takes a lot more to provoke reactions by running weird gambits and acting strangely over there, than it is here. Half the people in the thread didn't even bat an eyelash until the Wicket post . Wasn't meant so much as a disparaging comment as it was an observation of the vastly differing playstyles. We're talking about the "this is much easier on salvation" comment, right?)
LMAO, you said some crazy stuff over in that thread.
Yes, I was referring to that statement and the "gullible" bit. I understand what you meant now, and I will certainly agree with you on the "different playstyles" viewpoint of that comment, having recently joined in a game over there. I don't want to take up any more of this thread with comments on that, though; just know I'm not mad atcha.
Back to the game at hand:
My original point to this post was just covered by Puzzle (concerns about a roleblocker, power-role ousting, and just general setup speculation = bad), so I don't have much to add.
Obviously, I do not condone the player attached to the name Azrael has to come forward. FoS: Chimpanzee for suggesting such a course of action.
1. Because names can give hints as to which abilities are possible. In the case of doc or cop (or other "power roles"), a mafia role-blocker could tidy up a baseball bat in one of our orifices which isn't necessarily meant to be used as a rack.
2. Because knowing who it is right now doesn't help us any further than waiting for other causes to claim. Scums would then know not to try to attack him, which denies us analysis of voting patterns and arguments.
Also, setup speculation is not tech. Expect Elves of Rivendell around.
I dont expect Ged gets the LotR mafia reference (there were 4 riders of rohan, 2 soldiers of gondor, but only 1 elf of rivendell, and the town thought hte 2nd one was cleared and thus godchild stayed alive to win because the town thought the game setup was symetrical).
Im in agree ment with Puzzle and such. There is no need to give the name now (and especially no reason for that person to come forward: SHAME ON YOU chimpanzee).
On a lighter note: Now, since we all know Axelrod is an evil scum player, let see if Vote Axelrod works.
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1. Because names can give hints as to which abilities are possible. In the case of doc or cop (or other "power roles"), a mafia role-blocker could tidy up a baseball bat in one of our orifices which isn't necessarily meant to be used as a rack.
2. Because knowing who it is right now doesn't help us any further than waiting for other causes to claim. Scums would then know not to try to attack him, which denies us analysis of voting patterns and arguments.
Also, setup speculation is not tech. Expect Elves of Rivendell around.
Character names = roles was the thing I was not seeing. Thanks.
Also, rethinking and looking at the other arguments that have been presented, I'll change my stance to Az should come out with the name at least by the end of the day in case he dies during the night.
Casting vague aspersions is not helpful. I can see why you might have information you want to hang on to. In which case: say nothing. There's always a chance Az might dig himself a deeper hole.
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Crop, if you suspect Az, why tell him so this early? You gave him warning to be more careful about making up info... Depending on what dirt you have on him, it would presumedly have been better to wait for the name or something, since he might change it now.
And if Az is telling the truth, well you're just throwing suspicion on what would have been a semi-clear role; unless you're lynched as mafia of course, which would be a strong point in favor of Az's info.
Too many unknowns...Crop needs to explain his vote before we can infer much more.
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I apologize for not making my entrance sooner.
I have been somewhat under the weather.
I am in agreement with Armlx and Fadeblue regarding Azreal.
I don't know Azreal. You never struck me as especially jaded.
I do think that you know when the right time to reveal your info is though.
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1. Darth Vader SK
2. Trekkie cult leader
3. Some sort of read-suit character that has an ability based on getting killed.
I wonder why you would suggest this.
I doubt seriously there will be any non-Star Trek characters in this game.
I knew a Geds, in another place and another time.
I wonder, are you that Geds?
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RELAPSED MAFIA JUNKIE
W – 33, L – 19, Broke Games - 9
Calvin & Hobbs Mafia, Mafia MVP
X-Men Mafia Town MVP
Simpson's Mafia - best use of character
Mtgnews Mafia Mafia - Town Madman
Mythos Mafia: the Dunwich Massacre Town MVP
English Literature Mafia Town MVP
Best Role-Playing Sin City Mafia
Werewolf Mafia - Mafia MVP
Doctor Mafia - Mafia MVP
Mafia: Escape from the Cylons - Town MVP
Lost Mafia - Co SK Winner with Kops
Random Mafia 3 - Town MVP
That comment came off as odd to me too. Why a Darth Vader SK? While it is rediculously unlikely, it has been done (Kamigawa Mafia w/ Yawgmoth is one). Something to keep an eye on (inadvertant claim?).
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You have each been brought here, from across Time and Space, to participate in a contest.
I just thought it would be amusing if, perhaps, someone had been brought here from a long, long time ago from a galaxy far, far away. Or possibly from earth to recruit people into a cult worshiping the rest of us. It was just a funny idea. There was nothing behind this comment other than humor. It's not like it will really effect the game much if the SK happens to be Darth Vadar or a Ferengi. The trekkie cult idea also just made me laugh.
Also, my name is taken from Ursula K. LeGuin's Earthsea books. So if you're thinking of that, Hawkeye, you've got it right.
I just thought it would be amusing if, perhaps, someone had been brought here from a long, long time ago from a galaxy far, far away.
I just think it's a curious suggestion to toss out there for the reason I gave earlier.
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Also, my name is taken from Ursula K. LeGuin's Earthsea books. So if you're thinking of that, Hawkeye, you've got it right.
Yes and sadly no. I've read several of the Earth Sea books and know of the character. I was referring to a mafia player from MTGNews I had played in several games with. I thought that perhaps you were the same person with a slightly different name. Oh well, it is good to be in this game with you.
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W – 33, L – 19, Broke Games - 9
Calvin & Hobbs Mafia, Mafia MVP
X-Men Mafia Town MVP
Simpson's Mafia - best use of character
Mtgnews Mafia Mafia - Town Madman
Mythos Mafia: the Dunwich Massacre Town MVP
English Literature Mafia Town MVP
Best Role-Playing Sin City Mafia
Werewolf Mafia - Mafia MVP
Doctor Mafia - Mafia MVP
Mafia: Escape from the Cylons - Town MVP
Lost Mafia - Co SK Winner with Kops
Random Mafia 3 - Town MVP
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You have each been brought here, from across Time and Space, to participate in a contest. Some of you are what Mortals would consider “Good,” and some, well, not so Good. But which Philosophy is truly best? That is what we shall attempt to determine here, aboard my Starship.
The Idea is simple really: If you’re Good, find the Evil ones, vote them out. Get them before they get you. If you’re Evil, stay hidden, gain their trust, lead them astray until they are all dead.
Think you already know how to play this game? Think again.
Think it’s supposed to be fair? Whoever said life was fair?
And whatever you do, don’t try to second guess me. I guarantee you’ll be wrong. Remember, I am infinitely more intelligent than you. But just to give you a “hint,” not all of you have been brought here from the same Time and Place. Or even the same Universe.
Shall we begin?
My rules (stolen from an unusually bright Mortal):
6. Cyan
8. Ged
18. Chamber
Removed from the Game Forever:
21. Bateleur (Evil Mirror Universe Duplicate of Jadzia/Ezri Dax – Second Life Mafia) - Lynched Day 1
16. arimnaes (Lt. Uhura - Town Night Communicator) Killed Night 2
17. Kokusho (Quark - Town One-Shot Visionary) Killed Night 2
20. Athos (replacing CropCircles)(Benjamin Lafayette Sisco - Town Gambler) Killed Night 2
1. Machin Shin (Montgomey Scott "Scotty" - Town) - Lynched Day 2
9. Azrael (Worf - Town with Phasor) - Killed Night 3
19. Matjoeman (Hikaru Sulu - Town Time Traveler) - Killed Night 3
5. Hawkeye7 ("The Doctor" - Town Emergency Doctor) - Lynched Day 3
4. Disrupt_Your_Hymn (Dr. Beverly Cheryl Crusher - Town Doctor) - Killed Night 4
7. Puzzle (Miles Edward O'Brien - Town Transporter Operator) - Killed Night 4
22. loran16 (Lore - Serial Killer) - Lynched Day 4
3. fadeblue (Odo - Town Shapeshifter) - Killed Night 5
12. Chimpanzee (Evil Mirror Universe Dupilcate of Tuvok - Mafia with Phasor) - Lynched Day 5
15. Rafaelk (Spock - Town Mind Melder) - Killed Night 6
13. Passdog (7 of 9 - Town) - Lynched Day 6
14. sgdre (replacing LJustus replacing sgdre) (Chakotay - Town) - Killed in Endgame.
11. draygn_mage (replacing Armlx) (Deanna Troi - Town Empath) - Killed in Endgame.
10. Hooga (replacing Rahl) (James Tiberius Kirk - Town 1 Shot Vigilante) - Killed in Endgame.
2. Xyre (replacing Jobie replacing avabob replacing Turbo164) (Jean-Luc Picard - Untargetabe Town) - Killed in Endgame.
Night 1 is a NO KILL Night. All non-lethal Nightchoices will still apply.
All present and accounted for? Good. Time to begin then.
On your mark…get set….GO!
It is now Day 1. With 22 alive it will take 12 to lynch.
And my first game with "the pros", so to speak.
Vote Arimnaes.
Welcome to the "big leagues".
Also, through no role ability of my own, I have been informed that a certain character is in the game, and is probably a townie, as far as I can tell. Any opinions on whether I should reveal their identity sooner or later? It's something of a unique situation, in that it will eventually confirm a townie without immediately painting a target on their chest, but still may possibly give the scum some info.
Until then, lets not tell the scum which claims are wrong to try and false claim.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
Ok, I first want to say the top 3 characters I hope are in the game:
1. Darth Vader SK
2. Trekkie cult leader
3. Some sort of read-suit character that has an ability based on getting killed.
Heh heh. Those just made me smirk.
Az, I also think waiting is probly the best idea for the town (despite being curious myself) for the same reasons as Loran.
Also, I guess I'll be the first to ask if anyone knows what that die role was about. Some sort of mod ability or player ability? Any speculation on it?
I agree that Az should keep info to self until the person claims.
I'm thinking the die roll was for a player ability and it was posted in the thread to assure authenticity.
That would be hilarious if there was somekind of red suit role (Ability: If you die nobody cares).
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || sk: LookingforReality (Copycat) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || survivor: matjoeman (Anarchist) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || town: kops (Anarchist) |||
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Now that you've said you can confirm a player as town, I would reveal who it is so that we can start building a group of confirmed townies and can get rid of scum by process of elimination. In addition if you don't reveal you will become a prime target for NK so that the town does NOT get useful info. Confirmed townies are worst thing in the world for them.
I would not reveal straight away though. Wait until the end of the day, say when someone is at seven or nine votes, and then unleash so that we have the info for the following day. Until then lets go ahead with the usual day 1 activities and see if we can turn up some scum.
EBWODP:
Sorry I misread your statement. I read it as being able to confirm a player now.
I agree now.
However, it appears only to be Az's conjecture that the role is town, so even if he reveals it, we can't really consider it clear. Az, how confident are you in your judgment of the role as town?
I agree that he should reveal it if he were about to die, obviously, but only then IMO. Other than that I don't see any real reason to do so.
On second thought, not quite as positive as I was before, but still fairly positive. Enough to gamble my life, anyways.
We don't have to believe it. Az has said he's willing to stake his life on his assessment of the claim. By committing now, we can make much better judgments later on when the person with that role claims. If Az is dead when that happens, then we have much more ground to work with; otherwise, we treat it simply as any other claim.
How do you define "about to die"? All of us can die during the night without us expecting it. I think Az should come forward with it by the end of the day.
VOTE Cyan
I think that Az is probably a fairly good judge of when to reveal the info. Especially cause we dont really know what the nature of that info is.
If I were making up a story to make a Mafia buddy able to be incognito, I'd 'stake my life on it too'. Either way, if Az ends up being wrong and the character isn't town, the logical assumption/err on the side of caution is that he cooked up the story and is going to get lynched anyway, so sure, why not say 'yeah I'll stake my life on it'..your life is on the line as soon as you make the revelation anyway.
@sgdre: So, did you actually read what Az said? He said that he knows a character name that is in the game and is prety sure(enough so to theoretically stake his life on it) that they're town. I don't see what other information there would be or why the nature of it is relevant.
I see no reason for Az to not reveal it the next time he is on.
1) The person with that role claims. Depending on our opinion of Az at that point (or if we know his alignment), that gives us additional evidence for judging that claim.
2) The person with that role dies and Az is still alive. If the person is townie, Az does gain some credibility, though we should still be cautious.
So, in terms of Az claiming the cleared name
Pros
-The information could semi-clear a townie, we don't have to assume its true but it is not harmful information in itself.
-Assuming Az is telling the truth, we are best off getting the info out of him before the end of the day
Cons
-It reduces the probability of catching scum via false name claim.
I think we are probably best off having Az reveal the info and having the person of that name come forward. Cleared townies are very helpful, especially early game where they give you someone that you know (or are at least reasonably assured) isn't trying to mislead you.
3CB and 4CB5CB!unvote, VOTE Chimpanzee (hey, its early, I dont need THAT much criterion to vote do I?)
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<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || survivor: matjoeman (Anarchist) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || town: kops (Anarchist) |||
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Oh, Azrael, you and your day one gambits. I read what you think of us here on MTGS over on 'Tings in Star Wars mafia. The implication wasn't very nice.
In any event, if you have some useful information, out with it. I think Fadeblue is making a very valid point: the Star Trek Universe is huge. Thus, eliminating a potential false-claim to clear a townie is a win in my book. (Yes, go ahead and tick me in the "agreed with coming forward column".)
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I am starting to think we are better off hearing it now and hopefully reduce the chance of someone using to conceal their real persona later.
To business: Like Chimp said, the only drawback to revealing is reducing potential false claims. Az, how prominent is the role name? Are we talking someone like Worf, or "the engineer from episodes 37 and 92?" If it's a role no one's heard of, the odds are against anyone falseclaiming it (on the other hand, it would be a big gambit to claim someone like Spock who would be more likely to be countered...).
However, the named person should not come forward. FOS Chimp for that... way to dig up nightkill targets.
"I know nothing of the law, only vengence" -Dom, U/G madness
Oh, and should get the obligatory random Star Trek joke out of the way, so here goes.
How much brie is kept in the engineering section of Deep Space Nine?
MILES O'Brie!
(OK, so you come up with a funnier one).
i have no idea what you're talking about. Nope, not a clue.
(You have to admit though, folks over on 'tings are a lot more "jaded" than on salvation, in general. It takes a lot more to provoke reactions by running weird gambits and acting strangely over there, than it is here. Half the people in the thread didn't even bat an eyelash until the Wicket post . Wasn't meant so much as a disparaging comment as it was an observation of the vastly differing playstyles. We're talking about the "this is much easier on salvation" comment, right?)
So, Az, about this "clear other townie" thing - I'm quite happy for you to use your own judgement TBH since I don't know what the wording is on your PM.
I tend to feel that because of your status as a favourite nightkill target there's a strong case for passing information on in some form. However, that doesn't have to be now. It could be at the other end of the day... which might be a really long time from now given the number of players and the amount of discussion we're already seeing.
Regarding that die roll at the start of the thread - the fact that the result is public suggests to me that it's of interest to more than one player. Possibly it even means we can work out its significance; a puzzle of some kind perhaps. Anyone got any clues yet ? (Although obviously if it's a town ability don't come forward and explain it all if it would make you a nightkill target.)
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First of all, Az i am with the Come forward and claim pod. Likely it would make such a falseclaim useless, but as a common nightkill target right off the bat, i believe you NOT taking the info to the grave.
Regarding the random dice roll, i refer to the game name.. "The Q Conundrum". Now, what is Q known for doing? Meddling, i believe it amazingly likely that Q will be a meddlesome force, with the number having an effect on the players, adverse or not. Think about it people... ITS FRICKIN Q!!
Goodluck, and i dont trust any of you
I'm gonna agree with the majority here. One name out of all the possibilities will not change much as far as scum trying to false claim. However, the name is all we need at the moment, and the owner of that name should most certainly not come forward yet. Vote Chimpanzee for trying to expose a cleared townie.
On a side note, I will have sporadic access until Sunday evening, but I will try to occasionally check in.
Why Not!
Official Vote Count
arimnaes - 1 (Azrael)
Disrupt_Your_Hymn - 1 (Matjoeman)
Chimpanzee - 2 (sgdre, Machin Shin)
Cyan - 1 (Puzzle)
With 22 alive it will take 12 to lynch.
I'm not advocating the person comming forward as soon as the name has been said, I'm just interested because of lack of experience in why this is a bad idea. The only argument I've heard so far is that it would stretch or tie the doc, which is a perfectly good one, but are there any others?
Also, you may be on to something with the 'Q is messing with us' theory there, bat. Even if that die role isn't from Q, I would expect later there to be something from him.
LMAO, you said some crazy stuff over in that thread.
Yes, I was referring to that statement and the "gullible" bit. I understand what you meant now, and I will certainly agree with you on the "different playstyles" viewpoint of that comment, having recently joined in a game over there. I don't want to take up any more of this thread with comments on that, though; just know I'm not mad atcha.
Back to the game at hand:
My original point to this post was just covered by Puzzle (concerns about a roleblocker, power-role ousting, and just general setup speculation = bad), so I don't have much to add.
Obviously, I do not condone the player attached to the name Azrael has to come forward. FoS: Chimpanzee for suggesting such a course of action.
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I dont expect Ged gets the LotR mafia reference (there were 4 riders of rohan, 2 soldiers of gondor, but only 1 elf of rivendell, and the town thought hte 2nd one was cleared and thus godchild stayed alive to win because the town thought the game setup was symetrical).
Im in agree ment with Puzzle and such. There is no need to give the name now (and especially no reason for that person to come forward: SHAME ON YOU chimpanzee).
On a lighter note: Now, since we all know Axelrod is an evil scum player, let see if Vote Axelrod works.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
For the sake of having a commited opinion: Az should reveal, but the player should not come out until their up to lynch.
[The Family]
Character names = roles was the thing I was not seeing. Thanks.
Also, rethinking and looking at the other arguments that have been presented, I'll change my stance to Az should come out with the name at least by the end of the day in case he dies during the night.
Casting vague aspersions is not helpful. I can see why you might have information you want to hang on to. In which case: say nothing. There's always a chance Az might dig himself a deeper hole.
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[The Family]
I'm here.
Are you advocating that I claim the name immediately??
And if Az is telling the truth, well you're just throwing suspicion on what would have been a semi-clear role; unless you're lynched as mafia of course, which would be a strong point in favor of Az's info.
Too many unknowns...Crop needs to explain his vote before we can infer much more.
I trust you are enjoying the game so far.
I apologize for not making my entrance sooner.
I have been somewhat under the weather.
I am in agreement with Armlx and Fadeblue regarding Azreal.
I don't know Azreal. You never struck me as especially jaded.
I do think that you know when the right time to reveal your info is though.
I wonder why you would suggest this.
I doubt seriously there will be any non-Star Trek characters in this game.
I knew a Geds, in another place and another time.
I wonder, are you that Geds?
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I just thought it would be amusing if, perhaps, someone had been brought here from a long, long time ago from a galaxy far, far away. Or possibly from earth to recruit people into a cult worshiping the rest of us. It was just a funny idea. There was nothing behind this comment other than humor. It's not like it will really effect the game much if the SK happens to be Darth Vadar or a Ferengi. The trekkie cult idea also just made me laugh.
Also, my name is taken from Ursula K. LeGuin's Earthsea books. So if you're thinking of that, Hawkeye, you've got it right.
I just think it's a curious suggestion to toss out there for the reason I gave earlier.
Yes and sadly no. I've read several of the Earth Sea books and know of the character. I was referring to a mafia player from MTGNews I had played in several games with. I thought that perhaps you were the same person with a slightly different name. Oh well, it is good to be in this game with you.
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