Darn, Diggy stole my idea. Hmm, I personally think that Avabob looks the worst right now.
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Incidently, lets check if anyone has been lurking. It's been 9 pages. No Azrael. I'm pretty sure everyone else has posted at least once. Now here's the thing. I saw Azrael viewing the thread before my very first post. Where is he? He doesn't usually lurk this long. Maybe he's been silenced? Or maybe he changed his avatar and I missed him.
The day only has been open for 36 hours, and theres 10 pages...CALM DOWN. Chances are that he's still attempting to catch up. I'm lucky I've had the time to catch up on this, I usually wouldn't.
Peregrine Falcon, your post 115 is dangerous, don't do that again...Someone will notice and cover you next time. I thought that little ordeal was obv. But most are over-reacting.
Avabob is by far the scummiest player right now. It may just be a case of him being really Hungry, but him not reading the thread is getting old.
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And can you explain the frog thing? If it is a posting restriction, vote for me next time you post.and why the strange metaphor?
Wow, trying to get someone modkilled? This seems like a case of RTFR! Also, Read The eFfing Thread would apply here as well, this is the second instance of this.
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I would have thought that would be obvious, because it would be tremendously unfair to have two personalities. My reasoning: Both would ovbiously have to follow one alignment. Here there are three scenarios: ...etc etc, more mindless drivel...I was just asking him if I missed something that would be important. Calm down.
[Bolding by WoLG] Umm...yeah, this seems a lot like fishing to me, either that or you're hinting a lot about your role...this will be looked at later. Vote: Avabob
@t Twomz: Soft.early.sub claims are not tech...but I will NEVER forget how to spell your name now...
@Eddy: Do we have a copy of The Guide on board, and if so where is it?
In regards to the fishing, it's not as bad as it could be, but PLEASE! NO MORE INFO ABOUT ROLES UNTIL ASKED! We don't need this many people dropping less than subtle hints.
[Whistles happily] "So long, and thanks for all the fish..."
1st: I am not trying to get someone modkilled. PFalcon wasn't modkilled when he voted for Kenji, so I figured the same technique would work to determine if he had a posting restriction.
2nd: Okay, I won't ask for any more information. I thought that I missed something that was very important. I re-read the thread, and didn't see it, but that could be my inexperience (no I'm not using Newb defense, I'm just attempting to provide reasoning for my oversight).
3rd: I am not claiming. I just thought it was obvious that no one could have two roles. And I gave reasoning to that effect.
4th: When have I asked anyone to reveal their role? Note: this is not fishing, just trying to get a hold on the suspicion against me.
5th: with respect to the frog thing, I was just very confused about his post. Considering that that random trivia has not appeared at all in any of his other posts, it seemed a little suspicious to me.
again, Holmes just seems to appear to give some suspicion.
And in my opinion, PFalcon's attack on bluesoul seems rather unjustified and scummy. vote PFalcon
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Whether or not I have a restriction should be obvious at this point.
Azraels lurking is fishy though. But day 1 lurker hunts are not my favorite option. I'ld rather vote for the people who have been fishing for info. Hence Twomz.
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What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I don't know if it matters much, its just that if you're still able to be lynched, then you become less cleared in my mind. (Though still very much so)
That seems fairly useless, especially as soon as it's known. It seems like somebody could vote you, wait for somebody else to vote you as well, then unvote and vote you again to make that completely useless.
As for lurking, CP did originally say that Day 1 would start tomorrow. It could be that somebody knew they wouldn't be available until then and didn't think to mention it since it should've been fine.
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Why is everyone trying to lynch the confirmed townie again? Thx for the link to the Hitchhikers Guide CP. I am rereading it though, especially since both our band directors are out of town for the rest of the week, and it's a free hour and a half each day to read... or cuddle w/ my girlfriend... you know what, i'm probably not gonna get anywhere on the reading anytime soon...
it's a free hour and a half each day to read... or cuddle w/ my girlfriend... you know what, i'm probably not gonna get anywhere on the reading anytime soon...
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Unvote. Not trying to lynch to him, just seeing what was up. As it is, that puts a bit more suspicion on bluesoul from my perspective, but as he didn't know what was up, hes still not really vote worthy.
As for Azrael I agree it would be nice to hear from him... but it is possible that he isn't allowed to post? I know its speculating, but I find it unlikely for him to hide from a game this long.
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Interesting you would note
armlx counts double in his vote!
So concerning Kenji's ability
immune to votes is not he.
Peregrine's vote counts for one.
because bluesoul's count is not none.
Perhaps Kenji just soaks one vote
something we should take to note.
It seems that armlx counts as two votes, and Kenji gets -1 to his votes maybe? Both seem like they would be overpowered for mafia, so I will say with 75% certainty that they are both town.
Note: I think its only when I'm the first person voting someone tho. When I was voting Twomz 3rd it didn't count, or it could be triggered. I actually don't know.
I have to try something here. Unvote, Vote Vecna.
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Note: I think its only when I'm the first person voting someone tho. When I was voting Twomz 3rd it didn't count, or it could be triggered. I actually don't know.
I have to try something here. Unvote, Vote Vecna.
Maybe twomz gets +1 to his votes just like Kenji gets -1.
The first vote of the day on Kenji doesn't count, but apparently subsequent votes do. I see I may have been wrong about that first person just unvoting and revoting though. Perhaps that needs to be tested. If the first person to vote for Kenji *never* gets their vote counted, then that seems a powerful ability, and indeed adds credibility to his townieness. However, if it's only a temporary thing, then all it does is make him a tiny bit harder to speed lynch, and that doesn't seem to be much use at all, and could even be found on scum. Whichever it is, Kenji is either almost totally cleared, or still up in the air.
It seems to be kinda the same with Armlx, though I'm slightly more inclined to believe that he's town, because double voting of any kind on scum is bad.
Well, so far it seems we have 2 people who are very likely town, and the best scum prospect I've seen so far is still Peregrine Falcon, for jumping down Bluesoul's throat with not much cause. Sheesh, and we even had a night.
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Are we testing if you doublevote, doublevote only when first, or am I being tested?
(As far as I know, I have no voting related ability. Still, I am guessing a lot of roles have hidden info/abilities that are unknown to the player.)
Armlx, if you are testing doublevoting, how can you not know whether you have it or not, unless nothing in your pm mentioned it.
EDIT: I mean, it appears that Kenji knew about his vote-related ability.
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I was just rereading the thread, and I noticed that Perenginerinie or however that's spelled voted for Kenji and was absolutely certain of his guilt for reasons he couldn't specify. Kenji seemed to hint that he, too, knew something, and voted for Perengenieinabottle because of it and suggested we "follow his lynch." Something really fishy is going on between those two
Armlx, if you are testing doublevoting, how can you not know whether you have it or not, unless nothing in your pm mentioned it.
Yup. You got it. Nothing was mentioned about double voty-ness in my PM, though theres a hint about something regarding the obvious thing. I'm assuming that is where this come from.
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Kenji confirmed town by an NPC
Peregrine's large text for all to see.
Which of the two is more scummy?
The answer is not too clear to me.
First, unless others disagree, I'd like for Kenji and Peresoilentgreen to say whether they're just guessing about the other one, or if they actually know something about them for a fact from their PM. My thinking is that if they say no, they were just making assumptions, we drop it as we really have nothing. However, if one says they have something, we lynch the other. If the lynchee was town, we lynch the first person. If they were mafia, yay we got a mafia! If they BOTH say they know something, we lynch one at random and if they were town, lynch the other.
Now, I'm fairly new to mafia, so this may be a bad idea... is it?
I'm not sure if this has set in yet, but Kenji is most likely definately town. It's EXTREMELY unlikely that he's scum. Lynching him now is a BAD IDEA. Infact, i'll Vote: Kingcobweb for suggesting that. PF, i believe at least, has about a 50/50 chance of being either a restricted townie (most likely Zaphod) or a mafiaso that's using a fake restriction to "clear" himself.
I noticed armlx's extra vote on me... and i was hoping no one else would point it out to the mafia...:sweat:
Well, fortunately for you, Kingcobweb, I know nothing. Neither, apparently, does fadeblue. Oh well.
Anyway, you will note the clear order of events:
1)Kenji suggests that if I cannot talk about my post restriction I vote for him.
2)Per rule 5 (not being able to talk about my post restriction) I vote for him.
3)You guys jump on my back about it.
Lawyers have a name for this. It's called entrapment.
king: It's certainly possible you missed the brief dialogue between Kenji and me. As far as I'm concerned, Kenji is town, and therefore what you are suggesting is ludicrous. FOS kingcobweb. You're being silly. And just call me Falcon instead of this genie in a bottle of Soilent Green nonsense.
Concerning Bluesoul: I suppose that I should take it easy. I really do find you suspicious, pal, but I suppose if the general group finds you to be innocent, then I guess I've been overreacting and overanalyzing. I guess that I started taking the game seriously too early. I still have my eye on you, but frankly if it appears that people think you to be safe, then safe you shall remain.
Okay, the extra vote for armlx was a mistake. It came when I realized that a person I thought was voting for him (diggy, incidentally), actually wasn't, so I editted the post, but didn't edit the number. I hope that's clear.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
The second one is a useless question since if he says yes but isn't telling the truth we won't be able to tell. If he says "never" the universe explodes.
Avabob, it's a nice try, but that logic runs into the same problem as the old 2 doors, 2 guards, one tells truth, the other lies archetype. Except, w/ one person, i don't think there is a definate way to get the answer.
Let us not get too annoying w/ these questions, and piss of CP. (or Eddy)
Avabob, it's a nice try, but that logic runs into the same problem as the old 2 doors, 2 guards, one tells truth, the other lies archetype. Except, w/ one person, i don't think there is a definate way to get the answer.
Let us not get too annoying w/ these questions, and piss of CP. (or Eddy)
I was trying to do the question that would give you the right path/door if there were two people, but I guess it doesn't work if there is only one. That is what I get for not thinking through this enough. I just figured it would work the same as when you had two people, but no. Anyway, is there a similar question that could force him to commit to always telling the truth?
This would also settle for certain Kenji's townieness. Personally, I believe it, but I think some people still have reservations (maybe.)
And it would be useful if Azrael could post. I am pretty sure he is around because of his posts on Sin City Mafia, which recently ended.
I can't think of the question off the top of my head. In the 2 door situation it involved asking what the other person would say you would say. But that doesn't work w/ one man and one door.
Lets try to get somewhat back on topic, only post about the question if you know how to do it w/ just one door, and plz just direct it at eddy (or CP).
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I can't think of the question off the top of my head. In the 2 door situation it involved asking what the other person would say you would say. But that doesn't work w/ one man and one door.
From my world of ancient lores:
Two men and two doors
One man always tells a lie
the other's truth is high.
One door to hell
the other to heaven's bell.
The biggest task
is to find a question to ask.
"Knowing the your lie-truth trend,
if I were to ask your friend
which door leads to the good place
what would be the answer of his embrace?"
It's a very nice riddle, but it still doesn't change the fact that if we ask Eddy a question, we can't be assured of his truth-telling capacity. Now, don't get me wrong, I'll take his word over any of yours any day of the week, but if we go down this path we'll eventually start going in circles. For now, I say we just trust him and leave it at that. I highly doubt Eddy is going to intentionally help us dig up scum.
Hey, Eddy, what are the odds you're actually going to give us direct hints as to who the mafia are?
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
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1st: I am not trying to get someone modkilled. PFalcon wasn't modkilled when he voted for Kenji, so I figured the same technique would work to determine if he had a posting restriction.
2nd: Okay, I won't ask for any more information. I thought that I missed something that was very important. I re-read the thread, and didn't see it, but that could be my inexperience (no I'm not using Newb defense, I'm just attempting to provide reasoning for my oversight).
3rd: I am not claiming. I just thought it was obvious that no one could have two roles. And I gave reasoning to that effect.
4th: When have I asked anyone to reveal their role? Note: this is not fishing, just trying to get a hold on the suspicion against me.
5th: with respect to the frog thing, I was just very confused about his post. Considering that that random trivia has not appeared at all in any of his other posts, it seemed a little suspicious to me.
again, Holmes just seems to appear to give some suspicion.
And in my opinion, PFalcon's attack on bluesoul seems rather unjustified and scummy. vote PFalcon
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Okay, I'm pretty sure that this is the correct vote count.
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2 Azrael - (Jobie, Holmes)
1 Twomz - (armlx)
4 Peregrine Falcon - (bluesoul, Absolutionis, Machin Shin, avabob)
1 Absolutionis - (kingcobweb)
1 Kenji - (diggy, That Which Squeaks)
2 avabob - (beaker, WellOfLostGnomes)
1 bluesoul - (Peregrine Falcon)
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3CB and 4CB5CB!Azraels lurking is fishy though. But day 1 lurker hunts are not my favorite option. I'ld rather vote for the people who have been fishing for info. Hence Twomz.
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3CB and 4CB5CB!As for lurking, CP did originally say that Day 1 would start tomorrow. It could be that somebody knew they wouldn't be available until then and didn't think to mention it since it should've been fine.
but we should keep an eye on them, noting the fact that lurking helps scum stay under the radar
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Unvote. Not trying to lynch to him, just seeing what was up. As it is, that puts a bit more suspicion on bluesoul from my perspective, but as he didn't know what was up, hes still not really vote worthy.
As for Azrael I agree it would be nice to hear from him... but it is possible that he isn't allowed to post? I know its speculating, but I find it unlikely for him to hide from a game this long.
FOS Azrael for now
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Interesting you would note
armlx counts double in his vote!
So concerning Kenji's ability
immune to votes is not he.
Peregrine's vote counts for one.
because bluesoul's count is not none.
Perhaps Kenji just soaks one vote
something we should take to note.
Sorry, still slightly bitter about the whole "hey he defends himself when attacked so he must be scum" thing.
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I have to try something here. Unvote, Vote Vecna.
Maybe twomz gets +1 to his votes just like Kenji gets -1.
It seems to be kinda the same with Armlx, though I'm slightly more inclined to believe that he's town, because double voting of any kind on scum is bad.
Well, so far it seems we have 2 people who are very likely town, and the best scum prospect I've seen so far is still Peregrine Falcon, for jumping down Bluesoul's throat with not much cause. Sheesh, and we even had a night.
(As far as I know, I have no voting related ability. Still, I am guessing a lot of roles have hidden info/abilities that are unknown to the player.)
Armlx, if you are testing doublevoting, how can you not know whether you have it or not, unless nothing in your pm mentioned it.
EDIT: I mean, it appears that Kenji knew about his vote-related ability.
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Yup. You got it. Nothing was mentioned about double voty-ness in my PM, though theres a hint about something regarding the obvious thing. I'm assuming that is where this come from.
Kenji confirmed town by an NPC
Peregrine's large text for all to see.
Which of the two is more scummy?
The answer is not too clear to me.
but i still have a bad feeling about avabob
First, unless others disagree, I'd like for Kenji and Peresoilentgreen to say whether they're just guessing about the other one, or if they actually know something about them for a fact from their PM. My thinking is that if they say no, they were just making assumptions, we drop it as we really have nothing. However, if one says they have something, we lynch the other. If the lynchee was town, we lynch the first person. If they were mafia, yay we got a mafia! If they BOTH say they know something, we lynch one at random and if they were town, lynch the other.
Now, I'm fairly new to mafia, so this may be a bad idea... is it?
Hope you won't be really mad
but I think idea is quite bad.
Your proposition would take two days
and mafia could screw us in many ways.
For each day that we let pass
the mafia has a chance to kill a lass.
Make the lynches count is all I say
so to your idea, I say: nay.
I noticed armlx's extra vote on me... and i was hoping no one else would point it out to the mafia...:sweat:
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Anyway, you will note the clear order of events:
1)Kenji suggests that if I cannot talk about my post restriction I vote for him.
2)Per rule 5 (not being able to talk about my post restriction) I vote for him.
3)You guys jump on my back about it.
Lawyers have a name for this. It's called entrapment.
king: It's certainly possible you missed the brief dialogue between Kenji and me. As far as I'm concerned, Kenji is town, and therefore what you are suggesting is ludicrous. FOS kingcobweb. You're being silly. And just call me Falcon instead of this genie in a bottle of Soilent Green nonsense.
Concerning Bluesoul: I suppose that I should take it easy. I really do find you suspicious, pal, but I suppose if the general group finds you to be innocent, then I guess I've been overreacting and overanalyzing. I guess that I started taking the game seriously too early. I still have my eye on you, but frankly if it appears that people think you to be safe, then safe you shall remain.
unvote Bluesoul
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3 Azrael - (Jobie, Holmes, kingcobweb)
1 Vecna_Reborn - (armlx)
4 Peregrine Falcon - (bluesoul, Absolutionis, Machin Shin, avabob)
0 Kenji - (diggy)
2 avabob - (beaker, WellOfLostGnomes)
1 kingcobweb - (Twomz)
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And in order to either help or hurt me...
@Eddy: Can i have a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster... Pleeease?
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It wasn't when I posted that so I guess that answers that question.
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I don't know about asking for that. Just be careful it might backfire.
@Eddy: If I ask you for something, or anyone else, for that matter, will you give me (or that other person) the thing they ask for.
@Eddy: Do you say the truth whenever you respond to a question?
I think that both of these will give us valuable tools to pursue this game.
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I was trying to do the question that would give you the right path/door if there were two people, but I guess it doesn't work if there is only one. That is what I get for not thinking through this enough. I just figured it would work the same as when you had two people, but no. Anyway, is there a similar question that could force him to commit to always telling the truth?
This would also settle for certain Kenji's townieness. Personally, I believe it, but I think some people still have reservations (maybe.)
And it would be useful if Azrael could post. I am pretty sure he is around because of his posts on Sin City Mafia, which recently ended.
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Lets try to get somewhat back on topic, only post about the question if you know how to do it w/ just one door, and plz just direct it at eddy (or CP).
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From my world of ancient lores:
Two men and two doors
One man always tells a lie
the other's truth is high.
One door to hell
the other to heaven's bell.
The biggest task
is to find a question to ask.
"Knowing the your lie-truth trend,
if I were to ask your friend
which door leads to the good place
what would be the answer of his embrace?"
Hey, Eddy, what are the odds you're actually going to give us direct hints as to who the mafia are?
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