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I live! Buahaha. Anyway, for those saying my role is odd, agreed, this is Douglas Adams mafia, so I say its fair. <y best bet to win is to get all the scum dead, as having the town win is alot faster then letting the scum win. I'm in it with the rest of you. As for you saying I "caved too early" I figured that I'd be put to the claim test anyway, as I was active during the daykill, so I decided to save us the process of everyone deciding to to test that, then having everyone vote on me. Anywho, my vote stands on AH, scum that he is.
The problem with the Twomz lynch, and the assumption that he's lying, is that he really is Slartibartfast as he claimed he was because I investigated him. I'm very suspicious of AH for suggesting lynching someone that made a claim that I know to be at the very least partially true. My vote stays on AH.
Twomz: Exactly. As a mafia goon he is less of an impending threat than an SK, who if killed can't kill any more. The mafia can kill if one member dies however. Therefore vigging him is clearly better as he is obviously not a godfather since he has a targetted ability.
Of course, if Puzzle is the vig..... I'll just ignore that one for now.
Sure, vigging people without a claim is tech.
However, I'd now like you to explain this to me : you admit knowing that I used a targetted ability last night, and not a night kill, which according to you makes me unlikely to be the GF.
1. If you know I did, how, according to you, doesn't it clear me from killing Chimpanzee ?
2. I know that I did but how exactly do you ?
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I'm a little slow, so how have we confirmed he's lying?
Cf #1115.
1. Twomz never checked the part of BlueSoul's ability where the person who receives the bowl gains a new and different ability in his PM to Carrion Pigeons.
2. However, in #1049, he said that he needs all abilities. He confirmed it in #1072, saying that if his description is incomplete, his ability will fail.
The problem with the Twomz lynch, and the assumption that he's lying, is that he really is Slartibartfast as he claimed he was because I investigated him. I'm very suspicious of AH for suggesting lynching someone that made a claim that I know to be at the very least partially true. My vote stays on AH.
Do you mean that Machin Shin claiming and being really Elvis cleared him ?
And how does Twomz being Starblastingfart clear him in any way from lying about his ability ?
-After saturday, which is my last drill comp(ever! w00t for getting out of HS), I'll be able to post more. Every time I've been on, I've either left the site open or have been re-reading. I'm currently on page 75, so I'm just now getting to the part where y'all want to hear from me. I watched puzzle last night, so I know of no other players that targetted chimp. Btw, post #1114 is a lie.
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I've already told y'all that CP said that my ability only barely went through, and i certainly never lied about it. Unvote (i'm not Rahl, i'm not going to vote for myself)
I have a deal Puzzle. You claim (full claim) and i'll send it in to CP. If tonight i recieve your choice of who you targetted, you're clear, and i'm clear. Deal?
I have a deal Puzzle. You claim (full claim) and i'll send it in to CP. If tonight i recieve your choice of who you targetted, you're clear, and i'm clear. Deal?
Couldn't it be a mafia ability, though? Confirming your ability isn't the same as confirming your alignment, is it?
Bluesoul, I'm not promising I'll target you, but if I do don't kill me okay.
I've already told y'all that CP said that my ability only barely went through, and i certainly never lied about it. Unvote (i'm not Rahl, i'm not going to vote for myself)
I have a deal Puzzle. You claim (full claim) and i'll send it in to CP. If tonight i recieve your choice of who you targetted, you're clear, and i'm clear. Deal?
Um, yeah. What kind of "deal" is that? YOu're rather quick to go around "clearing" people, considering you're NOT a Cop role.
COuld someone explain better why Diggy stealing a vote makes him clear? Is it just because you think that's too powerful for a mafia? It doesn't seem like that to me, but maybe i'm missing something.
I've already told y'all that CP said that my ability only barely went through, and i certainly never lied about it. Unvote (i'm not Rahl, i'm not going to vote for myself)
I have a deal Puzzle. You claim (full claim) and i'll send it in to CP. If tonight i recieve your choice of who you targetted, you're clear, and i'm clear. Deal?
Excuse-me but from where does this come from ? Since when do you also have a watcher ability ?
That makes two watchers in the game, if I can still count, right ? Unless you can communicate with WOLG.
And no, you saying that I'm clear wouldn't clear you and if you're scum, it wouldn't clear me either, particularly considering you already lied.
I have a deal Puzzle. You claim (full claim) and i'll send it in to CP. If tonight i recieve your choice of who you targetted, you're clear, and i'm clear. Deal?
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Excuse-me but from where does this come from ? Since when do you also have a watcher ability ?
Alright, it looks like Twomz is having a hard time keeping his story straight. I think I've seen enough. Unvote, Vote: Twomz.
@TWS: I still think your role is stupid. (nothing personal, CP)
No... wait... nm. I'm just told WHEN you send a choice not who... sorry. I need to write my ability on a sticky note and put it on my desktop...
Well, since no one is going to believe my ability, making me trying to use it pointless... would you like me to full claim before you lynch me? I'd prefer if i lived on threw night, so i can do some good for the town. (Yes, i have been hiding part of my ability... i thought it was better for the town that way... but if revealing it will help the town, i'll do it.)
-After saturday, which is my last drill comp(ever! w00t for getting out of HS), I'll be able to post more. Every time I've been on, I've either left the site open or have been re-reading. I'm currently on page 75, so I'm just now getting to the part where y'all want to hear from me. I watched puzzle last night, so I know of no other players that targetted chimp. Btw, post #1114 is a lie.
Eh, what? You confirmed what I said in point 2. You may not agree with my opinions (shouldn't be confirmed, already suspicous of Puzzle), but it's no lie. Point 1 is an argument for lynching TWS. I know that isn't the best plan now, but then it was logical.
No... wait... nm. I'm just told WHEN you send a choice not who... sorry. I need to write my ability on a sticky note and put it on my desktop...
Well, since no one is going to believe my ability, making me trying to use it pointless... would you like me to full claim before you lynch me? I'd prefer if i lived on threw night, so i can do some good for the town. (Yes, i have been hiding part of my ability... i thought it was better for the town that way... but if revealing it will help the town, i'll do it.)
Let me guess : you can also kill people at night ?
I'm Slartibartfast. Every night/day cycle i recieve one role "delay." I believe it postpones an ability for 2 days, but i'm not sure. I may also save up these (which i have been doing) for each cycle... which means, that i have 3 saved up. I can also take one guess per person at their ability and name. I need to be as correct as possible in my guess. If i'm correct, i will be told when they use their ability, and given a chance to use one of my roleblocks to delay it.
There... my whole ability... paraphrased as close as i can get it. I'm also willing to quote it directly if i reach a majority, since it doesn't seem like the full roles are being revealed.
@DYH: Sure, its dumb on a level, but you have to admit its pretty entertaining on another.
As for Twomz... I don't think hes scum. I think hes been playing horribly, but I don't think hes scum... so no vote for now.
I'm intrigued.
1. We have established that Twomz lied about his ability-checking ability.
2. He then claimed watcher, asking me for my role, saying that once I activate it, it would clear us both.
3. Once under pressure, he then withdrew that, saying that in fact he is a role-blocker (with possibly a triple-block available tonight).
How do you think I would have looked if we hadn't forced him to reveal he is a RBer and he had silently RBed me ? I would have had to say I couldn't do anything and he would have had an easy game saying I lied about my ability and just feared the watcher.
So, in short, what gives you so much confidence in Twomz ?
Oh, theres no confidence, I think hes being an idiot, but I don't know if hes scum. I wouldn't be unhappy to see him go anyway if just to stop him leaking everywhere and holding back info, but my chance of living depends on lynching scum, which I don't believe he is.
1. Thats not established neccessarily. I can see where CP would allow his ability to go through, even without specifically saying that the giving of the fishbowl would give them the ability. After all, what would the point of it be if it didn't. Admittedly this is bad against him, but I believe him.
2/3. Yeah, hes acted pretty scummy, but in a sense he is a watcher and roleblocker (assuming his claims are true), and I don't believe hes scum, just as a matter of sense.
In short, I don't think hes scum, and based on my own survival I'm going to look elsewhere. But if the town think hes the best lynch, then go right ahead, I won't object.
Oh, theres no confidence, I think hes being an idiot, but I don't know if hes scum. I wouldn't be unhappy to see him go anyway if just to stop him leaking everywhere and holding back info, but my chance of living depends on lynching scum, which I don't believe he is.
1. Thats not established neccessarily. I can see where CP would allow his ability to go through, even without specifically saying that the giving of the fishbowl would give them the ability. After all, what would the point of it be if it didn't. Admittedly this is bad against him, but I believe him.
2/3. Yeah, hes acted pretty scummy, but in a sense he is a watcher and roleblocker (assuming his claims are true), and I don't believe hes scum, just as a matter of sense.
In short, I don't think hes scum, and based on my own survival I'm going to look elsewhere. But if the town think hes the best lynch, then go right ahead, I won't object.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
If AH doesn't turn out to be a insane or paranoid cop, i'd be surprised. Puzzle is very likely to be scum in my opinion as well.
Now that i'm "caught in the open," it really doesn't matter to me. It seems like most townies in this game are either lurking, or following scumlike players on nitpick lynches.
I'm going to Vote: Puzzle because i'm pretty darn sure he's scum. If y'all would like to look over the facts and see the logic of it yourselves go ahead... if not, go ahead and lynch me, at least then i can show you that Puzzle was just trying to get an easy town lynch and save himself for one more day.
@ CP/eddy?: If a majority is reached on me, and i post a quote of my role during the twilight, will i be modkilled thus continuing the game, or will the day end in my lynch, w/ a joint modkill added?
Also, if i die, i will at least use up my 3 blocks... probably on TWS, Puzzle and AH... TWS in order to stop neutral schnangins (sp?) and Puzzle and AH as a slap on the wrist for being stubborn scums. (I'm pretty sure it will delay any (or at least the first i think) triggered or static abilities for the next day/night phase... so you may be able to lynch TWS... i'm not sure).
I'd also like to apologize to the town. Kenji, diggy, KCW, Holmes, ?WoLG?, Abs, and ?PF?; I'm sorry i have a bad memory. Next game i'm in on salvation i'll be sure to keep a copy of my role up while i'm making my posts, to stop scum like puzzle from misusing my forgetfullness for the mafia's benefit.
I'll keep checking up as well... but i doubt any of my posts have had or will have much content unless something big comes up... Tchao.
Are you now implying you can use these blocks at any time? That you have some sort of death trigger? Man, is your PM five pages long to detail your role?
Unvote.
For some reason I'm buying this- I think it's the flavor as KCW pointed out. In any event, could you please clarify what it is you're doing, exactly, with this last post?
1) No my paraphrase was only slightly shorter than the actual quote (i've PMed CP several times trying to clarify my role).
2) Yes, i can block at anytime (i thought about useing one up on bluesoul, but decided against it)
3) Deathtrigger? No, i'll just PM CP w/ three choices during twilight if i'm lynched.
4) Basically, i'm stating my position on matters, and saying that i'm likely to only answer questions directed at me, and not post much more besides that... or at least that's what i'd like to do... but i'll end up posting just as much as i always do :-/. Also, i asked CP/Eddy? a question.
That's it in a nutshell... erm, thx for believing me... i guess. *shrug*
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
You know, I think I agree with KCW here. I think Puzzle is actually acting fairly scummy. Let's look at his last post (or second to last, I'm really to lazy to look it up, but it doesn't matter):
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I'm intrigued.
1. We have established that Twomz lied about his ability-checking ability.
2. He then claimed watcher, asking me for my role, saying that once I activate it, it would clear us both.
3. Once under pressure, he then withdrew that, saying that in fact he is a role-blocker (with possibly a triple-block available tonight).
1. No. From the beginning, he has maintained that it was hard for him to get confirmation from C_P. He said he almost didn't get bluesoul's role (or a chance to watch him, but I'll come back to this in a second.) He also said that C_P isn't going to let this happen again. Now, he hasn't changed his story here, and instead he has pointed out many times how hard it was for him to get his confirmation.
2. Kinda. At first, the watcher ability wasn't in his claim. But as the game has progressed, he has mentioned this many times. He has (other than the time you last pointed out) told everyone that he got a chance to see when people used their ability. So, no, it wasn't all of a sudden. I get the feeling that it was there from the beginning. And, if you claimed, and then he used his ability, and then he could see if you used it, then we would be able to obtain a lot more information and be able to tell if one of you is lying, if not both.
3. He didn't "withdraw" that. He still sticks to the fact that he can watch people once he has their entire role. Now, he said "roleblocker" mistakenly. In his pm, and how he explained it, he can delay any ability. This doesn't block it, but moves it instead. Now, this is new, and a bit suspicious. However, if it is true, it is a very powerful ability that benefits the town greatly. Anyway, it might be a tad bit too overpowerd to be true.
How do you think I would have looked if we hadn't forced him to reveal he is a RBer and he had silently RBed me ? I would have had to say I couldn't do anything and he would have had an easy game saying I lied about my ability and just feared the watcher.
So, in short, what gives you so much confidence in Twomz ?
Nothing gives me tremendous confidence in him. I just think that your case against him is very weak and there are other leads. For one, I actually think you are looking scummier, and scummier with this attack on Twomz, but more importantly, I think pursuing A_H is actually much better.
I believe Twomz and I think Puzzle has been trying to use his "I'm a good player!" attribute to push around the town into lynching him.
I'm a "good player", so I'm scum and must die, obv, obv.
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You know, I think I agree with KCW here. I think Puzzle is actually acting fairly scummy. Let's look at his last post (or second to last, I'm really to lazy to look it up, but it doesn't matter):
1. No. From the beginning, he has maintained that it was hard for him to get confirmation from C_P. He said he almost didn't get bluesoul's role (or a chance to watch him, but I'll come back to this in a second.) He also said that C_P isn't going to let this happen again. Now, he hasn't changed his story here, and instead he has pointed out many times how hard it was for him to get his confirmation.
OK.
@ Twomz, you said, if I remember well, that you had to send more PMs to CP to clarify the situation. Can you then please post all the PMs you sent him (nothing from him, obviously) ?
If there is a mention about the new ability being gained by the recipient of the bowl on them, may I ask how Twomz got to know it ? Because, as I previously pointed out, it was said only much later in the game.
If there is no mention about the new ability being gained by the recipient of the bowl on them, then how do you think CP would have let it slip despite allegedly repeated requests for clarification, when Twomz clearly said that any detail missing would void the ability.
To sum up : in any case, Twomz could never have had access to the full information about BlueSoul's ability because part of it was given after Twomz's alleged check. So, when he "confirmed" BlueSoul's ability, he can only have been lying.
2. Kinda. At first, the watcher ability wasn't in his claim. But as the game has progressed, he has mentioned this many times. He has (other than the time you last pointed out) told everyone that he got a chance to see when people used their ability. So, no, it wasn't all of a sudden. I get the feeling that it was there from the beginning. And, if you claimed, and then he used his ability, and then he could see if you used it, then we would be able to obtain a lot more information and be able to tell if one of you is lying, if not both.
He said he saw who I would target. Who, not when. He corrected that only after we pointed at it.
3. He didn't "withdraw" that. He still sticks to the fact that he can watch people once he has their entire role. Now, he said "roleblocker" mistakenly. In his pm, and how he explained it, he can delay any ability. This doesn't block it, but moves it instead. Now, this is new, and a bit suspicious. However, if it is true, it is a very powerful ability that benefits the town greatly. Anyway, it might be a tad bit too overpowerd to be true.
On a townie, it could guarantee a no-nightkill for the last two or three days of the game (when the number of players is reduced) if true. On a scum, it would prevent investigations and protections.
What do you think is the most likely design-wise ?
Nothing gives me tremendous confidence in him. I just think that your case against him is very weak and there are other leads. For one, I actually think you are looking scummier, and scummier with this attack on Twomz, but more importantly, I think pursuing A_H is actually much better.
Suuure. Let's rather look at the guy who had no reason to attack DYH except for a T&J situation.
After all, Slartibartfast is innocent due to flavour, so logically, Arthur Dent must be scum...
I'm a "good player", so I'm scum and must die, obv, obv.
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that you're trying to manipulate people's perception of you as a "good player" to try and steer the town into lynching somoene who I believe is confirmed town.
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that you're trying to manipulate people's perception of you as a "good player" to try and steer the town into lynching somoene who I believe is confirmed town.
In what respect ? Twomz, Avabob and you are ganging up repeating this kind of things. Why does none of you come up with actual examples ?
And how could Twomz confirm BlueSoul with part of his ability missing ? It's not a matter of clarity of PMs. It's a matter of missing elements in Twomz's alleged PM to CP, when Twomz says that any element missing will void his ability.
In what respect ? Twomz, Avabob and you are ganging up repeating this kind of things. Why does none of you come up with actual examples ?
Because you're repeatig half-truths with rhetoric and a sense of immediacy thrown in. For example:
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And how could Twomz confirm BlueSoul with part of his ability missing ? It's not a matter of clarity of PMs. It's a matter of missing elements in Twomz's alleged PM to CP, when Twomz says that any element missing will void his ability.
He's already been over this many times; c_p decided to give it to him though the information wasn't quite complete. As he said, from now on he must have absolutely complete info.
Because you're repeatig half-truths with rhetoric and a sense of immediacy thrown in. For example:
He's already been over this many times; c_p decided to give it to him though the information wasn't quite complete. As he said, from now on he must have absolutely complete info.
No, he said his information was unclear (and needed further PMs to clarify), not incomplete.
He's already been over this many times; c_p decided to give it to him though the information wasn't quite complete. As he said, from now on he must have absolutely complete info.
That doesn't sound right to me. Mods seek an arbitrary neutral point. They try to make the game fair. They plan. Not creating an entirely clear role, clarifying it over a number of posts, giving Twomz free info even though he was off. These do not sound like the inconsistancies of a mod. They sound like inconsistancies of a player.
No, he said his information was unclear (and needed further PMs to clarify), not incomplete.
Small distinction.
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That doesn't sound right to me. Mods seek an arbitrary neutral point. They try to make the game fair. They plan. Not creating an entirely clear role, clarifying it over a number of posts, giving Twomz free info even though he was off. These do not sound like the inconsistancies of a mod. They sound like inconsistancies of a player.
I wouldn't be so sure. It's also a very, very bad idea to venture into the realm of what the mod would or wouldn't do.
So, I see no dispute here. Twomz is claiming the Flying Pumpkin and flopping all over himself with claims (he was the one that "incriminated" Puzzle, right?). So he dies....
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So, I see no dispute here. Twomz is claiming the Flying Pumpkin and flopping all over himself with claims (he was the one that "incriminated" Puzzle, right?). So he dies....
Except that his name is accurate and his character is almost guaranteed pro-town.
@ armlx: WoLG was the one who pinged Puzzle as being the one who targetted chimp last night.
@ Puzzle: Stop Straw manning me. (I just remembered the wiki... the wiki be our friend :)).
Also, Bluesould did mention his passing the bowl ability before i sent in. I just don't feel like reading threw 50 pages of posts to find it right now. Also, it wasn't several pms to "watch" bluesoul. It was several pms to figure out small parts of my ability. Such as does guessing bs's ability count as a "target" (it doesn't).
Well, that changes infi stuff. Puzzle still should go down. I forgot that one, and Puzzle stated it was you who did. Meh, lots of people need to die over the next night (A_H, Puzzle, maybe Twomz).
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@ armlx: WoLG was the one who pinged Puzzle as being the one who targetted chimp last night.
@ Puzzle: Stop Straw manning me. (I just remembered the wiki... the wiki be our friend :)).
Also, Bluesould did mention his passing the bowl ability before i sent in. I just don't feel like reading threw 50 pages of posts to find it right now. Also, it wasn't several pms to "watch" bluesoul. It was several pms to figure out small parts of my ability. Such as does guessing bs's ability count as a "target" (it doesn't).
1. No, he didn't.
2. See the PM you claim you sent to CP : where is it mentioned ? (already asked in #1115)
3. Still waiting for the list of my scummy actions (cf #1134).
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Small distinction.
Sure. A detail. It's not like Twomz said that if the PM was incomplete, his ability would fail...
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I wouldn't be so sure. It's also a very, very bad idea to venture into the realm of what the mod would or wouldn't do.
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Except that his name is accurate and his character is almost guaranteed pro-town.
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Well, that changes infi stuff. Puzzle still should go down. I forgot that one, and Puzzle stated it was you who did. Meh, lots of people need to die over the next night (A_H, Puzzle, maybe Twomz).
Erm, Puzzle... it WAS WoLG who watched you and saw you target Chimp... i'm sure of it. How can you say no he didn't? It's what started this whole thing.
Well... here's the "list" of reasons i think your scummy.
1) A watcher caught you targetting a player that died.
2) You refuse to claim, and just ignore the situation.
3) You asked me a whole lot of questions and waited for me to make a small wording mistake so you could throw the towns bandwagon in my direction.
4) You're actually lying. (You said that Bluesoul didn't mention the bowl being passed before i sent in, when in fact he did, which to me is more of a lie than my little wording mistake.)
There's probably more... but i'll post the rest after you have a chance to respond to that.
I don't really see what Puzzle is attempting to do here. I think we just need to pressure him enough to get him to claim, he already said he would. I still don't see a case where he could claim and be clear, because I forsee a counter claim of some sort if he tries to. The longer we wait, the longer we may be giving him to false claim.
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However, I'd now like you to explain this to me : you admit knowing that I used a targetted ability last night, and not a night kill, which according to you makes me unlikely to be the GF.
1. If you know I did, how, according to you, doesn't it clear me from killing Chimpanzee ?
2. I know that I did but how exactly do you ?
Cf #1115.
1. Twomz never checked the part of BlueSoul's ability where the person who receives the bowl gains a new and different ability in his PM to Carrion Pigeons.
2. However, in #1049, he said that he needs all abilities. He confirmed it in #1072, saying that if his description is incomplete, his ability will fail.
1. + 2. = Twomz is lying.
And how does Twomz being Starblastingfart clear him in any way from lying about his ability ?
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I have a deal Puzzle. You claim (full claim) and i'll send it in to CP. If tonight i recieve your choice of who you targetted, you're clear, and i'm clear. Deal?
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Couldn't it be a mafia ability, though? Confirming your ability isn't the same as confirming your alignment, is it?
Bluesoul, I'm not promising I'll target you, but if I do don't kill me okay.
Um, yeah. What kind of "deal" is that? YOu're rather quick to go around "clearing" people, considering you're NOT a Cop role.
COuld someone explain better why Diggy stealing a vote makes him clear? Is it just because you think that's too powerful for a mafia? It doesn't seem like that to me, but maybe i'm missing something.
That makes two watchers in the game, if I can still count, right ? Unless you can communicate with WOLG.
And no, you saying that I'm clear wouldn't clear you and if you're scum, it wouldn't clear me either, particularly considering you already lied.
Alright, it looks like Twomz is having a hard time keeping his story straight. I think I've seen enough. Unvote, Vote: Twomz.
@TWS: I still think your role is stupid.
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Well, since no one is going to believe my ability, making me trying to use it pointless... would you like me to full claim before you lynch me? I'd prefer if i lived on threw night, so i can do some good for the town. (Yes, i have been hiding part of my ability... i thought it was better for the town that way... but if revealing it will help the town, i'll do it.)
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Vote Twomz.
I'm Slartibartfast. Every night/day cycle i recieve one role "delay." I believe it postpones an ability for 2 days, but i'm not sure. I may also save up these (which i have been doing) for each cycle... which means, that i have 3 saved up. I can also take one guess per person at their ability and name. I need to be as correct as possible in my guess. If i'm correct, i will be told when they use their ability, and given a chance to use one of my roleblocks to delay it.
There... my whole ability... paraphrased as close as i can get it. I'm also willing to quote it directly if i reach a majority, since it doesn't seem like the full roles are being revealed.
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Confirm vote.
As for Twomz... I don't think hes scum. I think hes been playing horribly, but I don't think hes scum... so no vote for now.
I don't kill, just block. It's a deal though.
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1. We have established that Twomz lied about his ability-checking ability.
2. He then claimed watcher, asking me for my role, saying that once I activate it, it would clear us both.
3. Once under pressure, he then withdrew that, saying that in fact he is a role-blocker (with possibly a triple-block available tonight).
How do you think I would have looked if we hadn't forced him to reveal he is a RBer and he had silently RBed me ? I would have had to say I couldn't do anything and he would have had an easy game saying I lied about my ability and just feared the watcher.
So, in short, what gives you so much confidence in Twomz ?
1. Thats not established neccessarily. I can see where CP would allow his ability to go through, even without specifically saying that the giving of the fishbowl would give them the ability. After all, what would the point of it be if it didn't. Admittedly this is bad against him, but I believe him.
2/3. Yeah, hes acted pretty scummy, but in a sense he is a watcher and roleblocker (assuming his claims are true), and I don't believe hes scum, just as a matter of sense.
In short, I don't think hes scum, and based on my own survival I'm going to look elsewhere. But if the town think hes the best lynch, then go right ahead, I won't object.
I'm highly, highly suspicous of AH, and I'm hoping to do an analysis today at some point, so that I can have some concrete examples to point to.
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1 Puzzle - (WellOfLostGnomes)
5 Twomz - (Abandon Hope, Kenji, Diggy, Disrupt_Your_Hymn, Puzzle)
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Now that i'm "caught in the open," it really doesn't matter to me. It seems like most townies in this game are either lurking, or following scumlike players on nitpick lynches.
I'm going to Vote: Puzzle because i'm pretty darn sure he's scum. If y'all would like to look over the facts and see the logic of it yourselves go ahead... if not, go ahead and lynch me, at least then i can show you that Puzzle was just trying to get an easy town lynch and save himself for one more day.
@ CP/eddy?: If a majority is reached on me, and i post a quote of my role during the twilight, will i be modkilled thus continuing the game, or will the day end in my lynch, w/ a joint modkill added?
Also, if i die, i will at least use up my 3 blocks... probably on TWS, Puzzle and AH... TWS in order to stop neutral schnangins (sp?) and Puzzle and AH as a slap on the wrist for being stubborn scums. (I'm pretty sure it will delay any (or at least the first i think) triggered or static abilities for the next day/night phase... so you may be able to lynch TWS... i'm not sure).
I'd also like to apologize to the town. Kenji, diggy, KCW, Holmes, ?WoLG?, Abs, and ?PF?; I'm sorry i have a bad memory. Next game i'm in on salvation i'll be sure to keep a copy of my role up while i'm making my posts, to stop scum like puzzle from misusing my forgetfullness for the mafia's benefit.
I'll keep checking up as well... but i doubt any of my posts have had or will have much content unless something big comes up... Tchao.
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For some reason I'm buying this- I think it's the flavor as KCW pointed out. In any event, could you please clarify what it is you're doing, exactly, with this last post?
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2) Yes, i can block at anytime (i thought about useing one up on bluesoul, but decided against it)
3) Deathtrigger? No, i'll just PM CP w/ three choices during twilight if i'm lynched.
4) Basically, i'm stating my position on matters, and saying that i'm likely to only answer questions directed at me, and not post much more besides that... or at least that's what i'd like to do... but i'll end up posting just as much as i always do :-/. Also, i asked CP/Eddy? a question.
That's it in a nutshell... erm, thx for believing me... i guess. *shrug*
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1. No. From the beginning, he has maintained that it was hard for him to get confirmation from C_P. He said he almost didn't get bluesoul's role (or a chance to watch him, but I'll come back to this in a second.) He also said that C_P isn't going to let this happen again. Now, he hasn't changed his story here, and instead he has pointed out many times how hard it was for him to get his confirmation.
2. Kinda. At first, the watcher ability wasn't in his claim. But as the game has progressed, he has mentioned this many times. He has (other than the time you last pointed out) told everyone that he got a chance to see when people used their ability. So, no, it wasn't all of a sudden. I get the feeling that it was there from the beginning. And, if you claimed, and then he used his ability, and then he could see if you used it, then we would be able to obtain a lot more information and be able to tell if one of you is lying, if not both.
3. He didn't "withdraw" that. He still sticks to the fact that he can watch people once he has their entire role. Now, he said "roleblocker" mistakenly. In his pm, and how he explained it, he can delay any ability. This doesn't block it, but moves it instead. Now, this is new, and a bit suspicious. However, if it is true, it is a very powerful ability that benefits the town greatly. Anyway, it might be a tad bit too overpowerd to be true.
Nothing gives me tremendous confidence in him. I just think that your case against him is very weak and there are other leads. For one, I actually think you are looking scummier, and scummier with this attack on Twomz, but more importantly, I think pursuing A_H is actually much better.
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@ Twomz, you said, if I remember well, that you had to send more PMs to CP to clarify the situation. Can you then please post all the PMs you sent him (nothing from him, obviously) ?
If there is a mention about the new ability being gained by the recipient of the bowl on them, may I ask how Twomz got to know it ? Because, as I previously pointed out, it was said only much later in the game.
If there is no mention about the new ability being gained by the recipient of the bowl on them, then how do you think CP would have let it slip despite allegedly repeated requests for clarification, when Twomz clearly said that any detail missing would void the ability.
To sum up : in any case, Twomz could never have had access to the full information about BlueSoul's ability because part of it was given after Twomz's alleged check. So, when he "confirmed" BlueSoul's ability, he can only have been lying.
He said he saw who I would target. Who, not when. He corrected that only after we pointed at it.
On a townie, it could guarantee a no-nightkill for the last two or three days of the game (when the number of players is reduced) if true. On a scum, it would prevent investigations and protections.
What do you think is the most likely design-wise ?
Suuure. Let's rather look at the guy who had no reason to attack DYH except for a T&J situation.
After all, Slartibartfast is innocent due to flavour, so logically, Arthur Dent must be scum...
I'm not saying that, I'm saying that you're trying to manipulate people's perception of you as a "good player" to try and steer the town into lynching somoene who I believe is confirmed town.
And how could Twomz confirm BlueSoul with part of his ability missing ? It's not a matter of clarity of PMs. It's a matter of missing elements in Twomz's alleged PM to CP, when Twomz says that any element missing will void his ability.
Because you're repeatig half-truths with rhetoric and a sense of immediacy thrown in. For example:
He's already been over this many times; c_p decided to give it to him though the information wasn't quite complete. As he said, from now on he must have absolutely complete info.
Small distinction.
I wouldn't be so sure. It's also a very, very bad idea to venture into the realm of what the mod would or wouldn't do.
Except that his name is accurate and his character is almost guaranteed pro-town.
@ Puzzle: Stop Straw manning me. (I just remembered the wiki... the wiki be our friend :)).
Also, Bluesould did mention his passing the bowl ability before i sent in. I just don't feel like reading threw 50 pages of posts to find it right now. Also, it wasn't several pms to "watch" bluesoul. It was several pms to figure out small parts of my ability. Such as does guessing bs's ability count as a "target" (it doesn't).
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2. See the PM you claim you sent to CP : where is it mentioned ? (already asked in #1115)
3. Still waiting for the list of my scummy actions (cf #1134).
Sure. A detail. It's not like Twomz said that if the PM was incomplete, his ability would fail...
Who did what ?
Well... here's the "list" of reasons i think your scummy.
1) A watcher caught you targetting a player that died.
2) You refuse to claim, and just ignore the situation.
3) You asked me a whole lot of questions and waited for me to make a small wording mistake so you could throw the towns bandwagon in my direction.
4) You're actually lying. (You said that Bluesoul didn't mention the bowl being passed before i sent in, when in fact he did, which to me is more of a lie than my little wording mistake.)
There's probably more... but i'll post the rest after you have a chance to respond to that.
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Although this does not mean I think Twomz is 100% townie, just that I feel unless Puzzle claims we wont be able to move on.