Oh, just understood what you meant. So, if WOLG says yes he did, then he wouldn't have immediately voted for you... unless you're the only person who targeted Chimp. So, I think this comes down to if he targeted Chimp, then you're scum, and if not, then you may be scum.
However, if he says yes, and you maintain that hes lying, then turn up town, it would indeed be a 1 for 1, which benefits the town. I think revealing who he targeted only helps the town here.
Ah.... I understand. However, if we have a chance to nail a scum here, should we take it despite revealing more about his ability? He still would be able to target people without others knowing whom...
Course you may be the wrong person to ask, as the only person who could definitely come out as scum in everyone's eyes is you.
Thanks Puzzle. Just stopping by to Unvote, Vote:TWS. Just until further analysis. I'm actually trying to control my voting urges, but the defense in 1078 was not good ("as for my voting record, yeah, thats scummy") and the attack was descent, so I'll make an exception. This is what I wanted after all. Something solid to follow.
As for the discussion over the revealing of WOLG role, I come down firmly on the side of not revealing information. If more info is necessary in Puzzle's case, Puzzle should be the one revealing it.
Seems I misread you. I thought you were saying he either got all the people that targeted the person he watched, or he got the target of the person he watched. Agreed, if he only gets one person who targets his "watchee", then revealing anything more would not be helpful. I'm after trying to find out if theres a way WOLG can provide us without a doubt that somone is scum, or one of two people scum.
@AH: Its kind of hard to defend something that undefendable.
Obviously WOLG doesn't know that someone else targeted Chimp, or else his accusation would make no sense. So he watched Puzzle. DUh.
The whole "Saying my ability would hurt the town" junk is what will make me keep voting for Puzzle right now. I don't know what ability you could have that would make that much difference, and that's even if you were a Cop of some kind. I still want to hear it.
THat said, TWS is somewhat scummy. And something is up with DIggy's "double vote". So those might be my top three right now.
@Twomz - did u say that u no longer get told if u guessed right? so, if we get a claim from Puzzle, you wont be able to tell us if he was telling the truth??
TWS, i think that puzzle's analysis is very thourough, and you didnt even try to give a response, and a scummy voting record is very important vote:TWS
I was gonna vote but I couldn't. Nothing really has changed. TWS tried to lie but revealed that he did. A_H lied, and Puzzle targetted a dead player the night they were killed. All 3 of these are lynchable IMO.
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@Armlx: What are you talking about? I never lied. I was considering it, yes, based on being part of the race who wanted to kill everyone. Why do you keep saying I did?
First "guess" of the game. I believe that Bluesoul is Wonko the Sane and has the ability to see anyone that targets him and has a one time choice to roleblock one of them. Also, when he dies, someone gets his goldfish bowl.
*crosses fingers*
@ beaker: I no longer am told when i send in. If puzzle posts his ability and uses it tonight, then i will be told who he targeted.
My role pm says specifically that I don't have a name. Does "A Krikkiter" sound like a name to you? Don't think so, no lie. And yes, I'm neutral. Boo hoo.
You're right TWS. You didn't lie. You are a neutral krikiteer suspected of having a daykilling role. Balanced neutral roles are usually powerful. I say we hear what TWS has to say about his role. Perhaps someone with more credibility than me could request a claim?
I'm going to unvote, vote Puzzle. Puzzle, you should be a good enough player to realize that it's in the town's best interest to lynch someone that was confirmed as targetting someone who died over the night. Doesn't that at least make some sense to you? The way I see it, it's about 50% chance that you're a mafioso responsible for killing Chimp and 50% of lynching a scum is pretty good for day 3 as far as I'm concerned. Again, you should be able to understand that, as experienced a player as you are.
I like this not voting thing, I get to think more.
Puzzle should die. I agree. But he is not a potential SK and therefore can't cause an additional kill like TWS. If we can, having Puzzle claim, lynching TWS, and deciding if Puzzle should be vigged is our best plan of action.
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I like this not voting thing, I get to think more.
Puzzle should die. I agree. But he is not a potential SK and therefore can't cause an additional kill like TWS. If we can, having Puzzle claim, lynching TWS, and deciding if Puzzle should be vigged is our best plan of action.
If the flavor is that their character(s) want(s) to destroy the universe... then yes.
I'd say right now it's a toss up between Puzzle (targetted dead player, refusing to reveal role) and TWS (homicidal... or whatevercidal it is that wants to kill everything... xenocidal? character).
I hope WoLG (who is on) can clarify some things about puzzle for us...
And we get nothing from WOLG.... bleh. So, I'm happy with my vote for right now, but it does look bad for Puzzle in some ways. And me, I suppose, but I'm at least not scum, nor a daykiller. Or daykilling SK, or whatever. My point is I don't have a killing role.
Puzzle should die. I agree. But he is not a potential SK and therefore can't cause an additional kill like TWS.
Did I miss something? I thought your whole initial reasoning behind lynching him was that he probably was an SK, or at least a role with a nightkill ability.
Armlx. I can't quote my role pm, but Carrion Pigeons explicitly said I did not have a name. I didn't lie. Sure, lynch me on flavor, if you think thats right for the game, but someone had the good point that Elvis was mafia, so flavor based lynches probably aren't so smart.
As for the discussion over the revealing of WOLG role, I come down firmly on the side of not revealing information. If more info is necessary in Puzzle's case, Puzzle should be the one revealing it.
We already know that he is a watcher (or somehow watched someone). Asking him this question, which could easily net us scum, doesn't reveal any more of his role. It just clarifies what we already know and hopefully makes it easier to find scum. The fact that you come down so negatively on something which could almost only have positive impacts makes me think even less of you.
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Obviously WOLG doesn't know that someone else targeted Chimp, or else his accusation would make no sense. So he watched Puzzle. DUh.
Not necessarily. This is in fact what the question I proposed hinges on. If he did watch Chimp, and no one else targetted him, then we definitely should lynch Puzzle. Don't dismiss the issue so lightly.
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Um, yeah, TWS, if that isn't a lie I don't know what is. Also, you have claimed not to be pro-town. I figure that's fair enough to lynch.
1) He didn't lie (I'll cover this in a sec)
2) He claimed neutral. That isn't good enough for lynching. We need to kill scum, because often they are more dangerous than neutrals. Neutrals have their own win condition and it can benefit them to work with the scum or the town, depending on what it is. Scum, on the other hand, simply want to kill all townies. Furthermore, lynching a neutral doesn't give us any additional information for tomorrow. Lynching a scum (which will be confirmed) gives us the chance to look at their relationships with other people and logically figure out who the other scum our. Need I repeat this? We want to lynch scum.
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I hope WoLG (who is on) can clarify some things about puzzle for us...
he was on, eh? Then he should post, because this is important. Lurking doesn't help anyone.
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Ok. From best reason to worst.
TWS lied.
TWS is 100% not town.
TWS has a anti-town (obviously) flavored role.
1) If this is your best reason, you have absolutely no case against TWS. HE DIDN'T LIE. HE SAYS HE DOESN'T HAVE A NAME. This was confirmed by KCW. So there is one key thing that you need to derive from this (he didn't lie). Remember that.
2) This is actually a better reason, but not necessarily lynch criteria
3) This is actually your best reason. Based on flavor, which I don't know if C_P will follow (but it is impossible to outguess the mod), TWS definitely is anti-town. Now, he claimed neutral, which is interesting, and could fit with his flavor. I don't know, he could be a Krittiker who just happened to have some reason to save the universe, or something like that, in addition to wanting to destroy it.
Now, your reasons are bad. However, TWS is still very scummy in my eyes. His voting record, which has been addressed, and his overall actions beyond that seem to implicate him as scum. I agree with you, but for totally different, and more applicable, reasons.
1. The best argument for lynching TWS is that he was active directly before the daykill, and may therefore be a daykilling SK.
a. It follows that killing him before he kills again is important.
b. Because he claimed neutral there is little risk he is a vig.
2. WOLG most likely didn't watch Chimp. That's right. He followed Puzzle. The way he anounced his findings ("scum, scum, scum" as I remember) indicate he may already have suspected Puzzle, hence his motivation for selecting Puzzle to watch.
a. Confirming this is a bad idea.
b. Thinking about this possibility is a good idea.
I was wondering about that Puzzle, but I think this may be getting into guessing the mod... does passing the bowl imply that you gain all the abilities having the bowl does? Agreed, this could be Twomz lying, but I don't know if its concrete.
You are so right Puzzle. I was lying in bed thinking about this, and it hit me. Carrion Pidgeons didn't mess up. There's no way he messed up. Twomz clearing BlueSoul is a gambit. Twomz changed his ability when he realized that people were falling for it to a degree that people were seriously discussing claiming with the immediate gratification of Twomz' knowledge. Twomz wasn't going to be able to repeat his performance for anyone else. Why try in the first place then? I don't know, but I can speculate. Twomz claim is perfectly suited for drawing out individuals with ablities. He used it as an argument for mass claim. He's trying to draw information out, so the mafia can target better.
I say we lynch Twomz, and if he's scum look at BlueSoul. Unvote, Vote: Twomz (I knewthis would happen the second I made up my mind. There's always someone better to vote for.)
You are so right Puzzle. I was lying in bed thinking about this, and it hit me. Carrion Pidgeons didn't mess up. There's no way he messed up. Twomz clearing BlueSoul is a gambit. Twomz changed his ability when he realized that people were falling for it to a degree that people were seriously discussing claiming with the immediate gratification of Twomz' knowledge. Twomz wasn't going to be able to repeat his performance for anyone else. Why try in the first place then? I don't know, but I can speculate. Twomz claim is perfectly suited for drawing out individuals with ablities. He used it as an argument for mass claim. He's trying to draw information out, so the mafia can target better.
I say we lynch Twomz, and if he's scum look at BlueSoul. Unvote, Vote: Twomz (I knewthis would happen the second I made up my mind. There's always someone better to vote for.)
That's what I was thinking, but I didn't want to look completely ungrateful for at least having a semblance of being cleared. What jumped out at me was how quickly he came up with an answer after we suggested he send that to CP. If he turns up scum that's understandable at this point, but I'm much easier cleared than he is; somebody can target me tonight and I'll block them. We'll need to figure out who it's gonna be in advance, though, so they don't look so scummy.
I can't quote what CP said back to me... but it was something along the lines of Bluesoul had discussed his ability in more depth in the thread, but that he was going to let it go through anyway. The reason i haven't tried again on anyone else is that i know i'll have to be way more specific to meet CP's standards next time... and no one has really full claimed besides Bluesoul.
diggy... you stole my vote? You bastard.... i'm not going to unvote though... until we check to see if you're lying or telling the truth. Actually, i'm not going to unvote at all. It looks to me like Puzzle was waiting for a crack in my ability to appear, so he could shift blame away... also, unless WoLG comes on and says that someone else could have targetted Chimp too, i'm going to assume that it was Puzzle.
1. Twomz looks very shady.
2. TWS is quite possibly our neutral daykiller.
3. Puzzle targeted a dead guy- not good.
4. AH is still holding onto this facade of my being non-town.
5. diggy's ability test is forthcoming.
Now, I really liked Armlx's idea back in post 1105:
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I like this not voting thing, I get to think more.
Puzzle should die. I agree. But he is not a potential SK and therefore can't cause an additional kill like TWS. If we can, having Puzzle claim, lynching TWS, and deciding if Puzzle should be vigged is our best plan of action.
I know the discussed plan was to have Twomz test Puzzle to see if he is telling the truth about his claim, but the problem is- we can't really trust Twomz at this point since it appears he might be fudging his ability. And if he and Puzzle are both scum- they 'clear' each other and that's not good.
Regardless, I still think TWS is the best lynch at this point, as we know we're not killing a townie, and we have a good shot at reducing the bloodshed if he is the SK. Unvote, Vote: TWS
For Puzzle, we could have WOLG watch him again, and the doc protect WOLG?
As for AH, he's acting bizarre, and he's lied about me, so I certainly wouldn't mind him as a lynch, either. I don't think he's the daykiller, though, so this could wait until tomorrow.
Tell you what kids, I'll save us all a bunch of time and energy here.
I'm a Krikkiter. Neutral. I'm not the daykiller. Why? Because I'm unlynchable. I win with either scum or town. My only drawback is that I can die each day based on... propability. As in, CP rolling dice. So, if I wake up dead, chances are it because of that. My chances change, but he hasn't told me based on what.
Go ahead and test. *points to unlynchable clause*
So, I'm not pro town, persay, just kinda survive until the dice roll the wrong way. I love my role's flavor.
That is an absolutely stupid role (if it even exists). Random luck has little place in Mafia, IMO, and I can't imagine CP using this. That said,
@anyone who has read these books: Does this fit at all with the flavor of his race?
My gut reaction? I'm going straight into WIFOM here, but I'm not buying it, sorry. If this was your role, you'd want this game to end quickly in order to stand the best chance to "win" (fewer days mean fewer dice rolls). Pointing at the clause and telling us to test it goes against that, so it seems like you're looking for the opposite effect, particularly by starting off with the "I'll save us some time and energy" bit. I think you're playing on what you expect the town to deem a "waste of time" since yesterday's lynch did nothing but confirm my townieness, and banking on not being strung up since it will cost us another day. From a gambit perspective, this makes sense. From the "this being your actual role" perspective, I think you caved too soon. Not to mention, we already have one confirmed resurrecting role.
I, for one, am ready to put this to the test. Vote stands.
Does the day end if we try to lynch you? If so, then it's a very bad idea to put it to the test. DYH, you should know that wasting a day doing nothing (as we already did!) is Bad News.
I'll take an unvote Bluesoul for now
for the reason he's calmed down; and how!
Puzzle is giving vague answers as to his role
which makes me hesitate slightly to vote down his soul.
Twomz seems quite townlike to me as well
just his understanding of role was thrown to hell.
As far as Abandonhope, I have no clue
he misled the town intentionally, nothing new
I'm still fixated on the scummyness of diggy
his willingness to stay low makes me dislike this piggy.
As mych as diggy has my vote as of this moment
I want to test TWS's ability; to see if there's a dent.
I really don't like the role he was given
too much reliance on luck and too easy to win. vote TWS until this has been verified true
tell me if this vote shouldn't be for you.
Does the day end if we try to lynch you? If so, then it's a very bad idea to put it to the test. DYH, you should know that wasting a day doing nothing (as we already did!) is Bad News.
@KCW: That was exactly the point I was making in my reasoning behind his coming forward with this "role claim". He's banking on us using the exact logic you presented above to keep him from the noose. I'm not buying it.
@Puzzle: Correct. Once/If the vote count shows diggy's 2nd vote, I think it will be safe to "clear" him.
Unlynchable fits the Kricketeer's character. They are trapped behind the Slowtime Bubble remember. The only way i could see them being "killed" would be if it somehow got turned off... the random factor doesn't seem very probable, or likely. But, I'd prefer not to loose ANOTHER lynch because of an unlynchable townie.
Puzzle... when did armlx clear you of being SK? He just said that it didn't SEEM likely that you were SK. You're still no1 scum on my list right now. And all you're doing is confirming my suspicions.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Always someone better vote for. Always. I just unvoted TWS. ARG! Unvote, Vote:TWS Random chance? That has to be one of the stranger claims I've seen.
@Vigilante: Please kill Twomz. Prove to us you exist, and kill scum. It will make life easier.
Are you retarded? Unvote, vote Abandon Hope. You seriously want a vigilante to kill someone that has fully claimed and has a role that benefits the town in many ways? This is pure scum behavior up in hurrrrr.
Well, Diggy is confirmed, and it seems there's a ghost voter on me (unless CP forgot to discount Twomz).
And can the people voting A_H please explain their case once again ?
A_H supposedly lied to the town
by leading them to bring DYH down.
A_H also claimed DYH was scum
so people followed along with this sum.
What everyone neglects to remember
is the fact that DYH wanted to jump into ember.
DYH told us the lynch would be alright
and he'll be resurrected after the night.
A. Be able to day kill and have a night ability.
B. Have missed his first night kill and had the mafia miss this one.
C. Have kill be a delayed kill and have Chimp double targetted last night by him and mafia.
Thats all I can think of and all those seem way out there (B is the most likely and its sketchy).
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Puzzle... i still don't understand why you think i'm lying. Is it because i didn't include that the bowl gets a different ability when passed? Well... that was a mistake on my part, and i almost didn't get to "watch" bluesoul because of it. But i certainly didn't lie about it, so i don't know what you're referring too. Maybe you could post a quote of exactly what i lied about?
@ Armlx: Your theory discounts that Puzzle is Sk, yes... but it would explain extremely well why he's a mafia goon who did the kill last night.
It appears diggy is a vote stealer (who steals MY vote of all things :-/). Are we at least agreed that that's a confirmed protown ability?
Twomz: Exactly. As a mafia goon he is less of an impending threat than an SK, who if killed can't kill any more. The mafia can kill if one member dies however. Therefore vigging him is clearly better as he is obviously not a godfather since he has a targetted ability.
Of course, if Puzzle is the vig..... I'll just ignore that one for now.
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1st: I guess Diggy is confirmed as a double voter/vote stealer. This means that he is probably pro-town. NOthing much to say here.
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Well, Diggy is confirmed, and it seems there's a ghost voter on me (unless CP forgot to discount Twomz).
And can the people voting A_H please explain their case once again ?
Sure. Puzzle, if you look back at my last posts, in most (if not all) of them, I have pointed out A_H's scummyness. I guess my major thing against him is he was still trying to get us to lynch DYH AFTER HE HAD BEEN CONFIRMED TOWN. At the beginning of this day (ingame), he claimed that DYH was not cleared. It just so happens that he was. However, A_H "was not convinced." Mods don't lie (unless it's Sin City Mafia [and I didn't read the whole thread, so I am not sure if this is true]). Overall, I have justhad a bad feeling about him and he has acted very scummy throughou this game.
Coincidentally, if you look at his voting record for today, it seems very scummy. He seems to be voting and unvoting without that much reason, and I believe that he has been on most (if not all) bandwagons today. To me so far, he is the scummiest person for today.
Puzzle, if you want more, or clarification/evidence, all you need to do is ask. I am going to attempt to do a pbpa on him this weekend, but I don't really know if I will be able to (time constraints.)
However, if he says yes, and you maintain that hes lying, then turn up town, it would indeed be a 1 for 1, which benefits the town. I think revealing who he targeted only helps the town here.
Course you may be the wrong person to ask, as the only person who could definitely come out as scum in everyone's eyes is you.
As for the discussion over the revealing of WOLG role, I come down firmly on the side of not revealing information. If more info is necessary in Puzzle's case, Puzzle should be the one revealing it.
@AH: Its kind of hard to defend something that undefendable.
The whole "Saying my ability would hurt the town" junk is what will make me keep voting for Puzzle right now. I don't know what ability you could have that would make that much difference, and that's even if you were a Cop of some kind. I still want to hear it.
THat said, TWS is somewhat scummy. And something is up with DIggy's "double vote". So those might be my top three right now.
TWS, i think that puzzle's analysis is very thourough, and you didnt even try to give a response, and a scummy voting record is very important
vote:TWS
@Puzzle: Agreed on your point, but if this can become more than just conjecture, I believe its worth it.
@ beaker: I no longer am told when i send in. If puzzle posts his ability and uses it tonight, then i will be told who he targeted.
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Um, yeah, TWS, if that isn't a lie I don't know what is. Also, you have claimed not to be pro-town. I figure that's fair enough to lynch.
I get enough votes, I claim, same as everyone. No daykiller here though.
Puzzle should die. I agree. But he is not a potential SK and therefore can't cause an additional kill like TWS. If we can, having Puzzle claim, lynching TWS, and deciding if Puzzle should be vigged is our best plan of action.
Why would we lynch TWS? Flavor alone?
I'd say right now it's a toss up between Puzzle (targetted dead player, refusing to reveal role) and TWS (homicidal... or whatevercidal it is that wants to kill everything... xenocidal? character).
I hope WoLG (who is on) can clarify some things about puzzle for us...
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TWS lied.
TWS is 100% not town.
TWS has a anti-town (obviously) flavored role.
Although the other 2 points are valid.
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Did I miss something? I thought your whole initial reasoning behind lynching him was that he probably was an SK, or at least a role with a nightkill ability.
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We already know that he is a watcher (or somehow watched someone). Asking him this question, which could easily net us scum, doesn't reveal any more of his role. It just clarifies what we already know and hopefully makes it easier to find scum. The fact that you come down so negatively on something which could almost only have positive impacts makes me think even less of you.
Not necessarily. This is in fact what the question I proposed hinges on. If he did watch Chimp, and no one else targetted him, then we definitely should lynch Puzzle. Don't dismiss the issue so lightly.
1) He didn't lie (I'll cover this in a sec)
2) He claimed neutral. That isn't good enough for lynching. We need to kill scum, because often they are more dangerous than neutrals. Neutrals have their own win condition and it can benefit them to work with the scum or the town, depending on what it is. Scum, on the other hand, simply want to kill all townies. Furthermore, lynching a neutral doesn't give us any additional information for tomorrow. Lynching a scum (which will be confirmed) gives us the chance to look at their relationships with other people and logically figure out who the other scum our. Need I repeat this? We want to lynch scum.
he was on, eh? Then he should post, because this is important. Lurking doesn't help anyone.
1) If this is your best reason, you have absolutely no case against TWS. HE DIDN'T LIE. HE SAYS HE DOESN'T HAVE A NAME. This was confirmed by KCW. So there is one key thing that you need to derive from this (he didn't lie). Remember that.
2) This is actually a better reason, but not necessarily lynch criteria
3) This is actually your best reason. Based on flavor, which I don't know if C_P will follow (but it is impossible to outguess the mod), TWS definitely is anti-town. Now, he claimed neutral, which is interesting, and could fit with his flavor. I don't know, he could be a Krittiker who just happened to have some reason to save the universe, or something like that, in addition to wanting to destroy it.
Now, your reasons are bad. However, TWS is still very scummy in my eyes. His voting record, which has been addressed, and his overall actions beyond that seem to implicate him as scum. I agree with you, but for totally different, and more applicable, reasons.
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1. The best argument for lynching TWS is that he was active directly before the daykill, and may therefore be a daykilling SK.
2. WOLG most likely didn't watch Chimp. That's right. He followed Puzzle. The way he anounced his findings ("scum, scum, scum" as I remember) indicate he may already have suspected Puzzle, hence his motivation for selecting Puzzle to watch.
I say we lynch Twomz, and if he's scum look at BlueSoul. Unvote, Vote: Twomz (I knewthis would happen the second I made up my mind. There's always someone better to vote for.)
That's what I was thinking, but I didn't want to look completely ungrateful for at least having a semblance of being cleared. What jumped out at me was how quickly he came up with an answer after we suggested he send that to CP. If he turns up scum that's understandable at this point, but I'm much easier cleared than he is; somebody can target me tonight and I'll block them. We'll need to figure out who it's gonna be in advance, though, so they don't look so scummy.
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diggy... you stole my vote? You bastard.... i'm not going to unvote though... until we check to see if you're lying or telling the truth. Actually, i'm not going to unvote at all. It looks to me like Puzzle was waiting for a crack in my ability to appear, so he could shift blame away... also, unless WoLG comes on and says that someone else could have targetted Chimp too, i'm going to assume that it was Puzzle.
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1. Twomz looks very shady.
2. TWS is quite possibly our neutral daykiller.
3. Puzzle targeted a dead guy- not good.
4. AH is still holding onto this facade of my being non-town.
5. diggy's ability test is forthcoming.
Now, I really liked Armlx's idea back in post 1105:
I know the discussed plan was to have Twomz test Puzzle to see if he is telling the truth about his claim, but the problem is- we can't really trust Twomz at this point since it appears he might be fudging his ability. And if he and Puzzle are both scum- they 'clear' each other and that's not good.
Regardless, I still think TWS is the best lynch at this point, as we know we're not killing a townie, and we have a good shot at reducing the bloodshed if he is the SK. Unvote, Vote: TWS
For Puzzle, we could have WOLG watch him again, and the doc protect WOLG?
As for AH, he's acting bizarre, and he's lied about me, so I certainly wouldn't mind him as a lynch, either. I don't think he's the daykiller, though, so this could wait until tomorrow.
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I'm a Krikkiter. Neutral. I'm not the daykiller. Why? Because I'm unlynchable. I win with either scum or town. My only drawback is that I can die each day based on... propability. As in, CP rolling dice. So, if I wake up dead, chances are it because of that. My chances change, but he hasn't told me based on what.
Go ahead and test. *points to unlynchable clause*
So, I'm not pro town, persay, just kinda survive until the dice roll the wrong way. I love my role's flavor.
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@anyone who has read these books: Does this fit at all with the flavor of his race?
My gut reaction? I'm going straight into WIFOM here, but I'm not buying it, sorry. If this was your role, you'd want this game to end quickly in order to stand the best chance to "win" (fewer days mean fewer dice rolls). Pointing at the clause and telling us to test it goes against that, so it seems like you're looking for the opposite effect, particularly by starting off with the "I'll save us some time and energy" bit. I think you're playing on what you expect the town to deem a "waste of time" since yesterday's lynch did nothing but confirm my townieness, and banking on not being strung up since it will cost us another day. From a gambit perspective, this makes sense. From the "this being your actual role" perspective, I think you caved too soon. Not to mention, we already have one confirmed resurrecting role.
I, for one, am ready to put this to the test. Vote stands.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
He also might just randomly die if no one does anything. So he's basically useless even if telling the truth.
Unvote;
Vote: TWS
Best part about this vote is that "if" he's telling the truth, no real harm done. He's "unlynchable" right? We just move on.
for the reason he's calmed down; and how!
Puzzle is giving vague answers as to his role
which makes me hesitate slightly to vote down his soul.
Twomz seems quite townlike to me as well
just his understanding of role was thrown to hell.
As far as Abandonhope, I have no clue
he misled the town intentionally, nothing new
I'm still fixated on the scummyness of diggy
his willingness to stay low makes me dislike this piggy.
As mych as diggy has my vote as of this moment
I want to test TWS's ability; to see if there's a dent.
I really don't like the role he was given
too much reliance on luck and too easy to win.
vote TWS until this has been verified true
tell me if this vote shouldn't be for you.
@KCW: That was exactly the point I was making in my reasoning behind his coming forward with this "role claim". He's banking on us using the exact logic you presented above to keep him from the noose. I'm not buying it.
@Puzzle: Correct. Once/If the vote count shows diggy's 2nd vote, I think it will be safe to "clear" him.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Puzzle... when did armlx clear you of being SK? He just said that it didn't SEEM likely that you were SK. You're still no1 scum on my list right now. And all you're doing is confirming my suspicions.
Twomz's Trading thread
@Vigilante: Please kill Twomz. Prove to us you exist, and kill scum. It will make life easier.
2 Diggy - (Diggy, Twomz)
3 Abandon Hope - (avabob, bluesoul, That Which Squeaks)
2 Puzzle - (WellOfLostGnomes, Peregrine_Falcon)
7 That Which Squeaks - (Beaker, Disrupt_Your_Hymn, Holmes, Kenji, Puzzle, Absolutionis, Abandon Hope)
Mafia MVP BM Mafia
Mafia MVP Matrix Mafia
Are you retarded? Unvote, vote Abandon Hope. You seriously want a vigilante to kill someone that has fully claimed and has a role that benefits the town in many ways? This is pure scum behavior up in hurrrrr.
A_H supposedly lied to the town
by leading them to bring DYH down.
A_H also claimed DYH was scum
so people followed along with this sum.
What everyone neglects to remember
is the fact that DYH wanted to jump into ember.
DYH told us the lynch would be alright
and he'll be resurrected after the night.
I'm a little slow, so how have we confirmed he's lying?
A. Be able to day kill and have a night ability.
B. Have missed his first night kill and had the mafia miss this one.
C. Have kill be a delayed kill and have Chimp double targetted last night by him and mafia.
Thats all I can think of and all those seem way out there (B is the most likely and its sketchy).
@ Armlx: Your theory discounts that Puzzle is Sk, yes... but it would explain extremely well why he's a mafia goon who did the kill last night.
It appears diggy is a vote stealer (who steals MY vote of all things :-/). Are we at least agreed that that's a confirmed protown ability?
Twomz's Trading thread
Of course, if Puzzle is the vig..... I'll just ignore that one for now.
Sure. Puzzle, if you look back at my last posts, in most (if not all) of them, I have pointed out A_H's scummyness. I guess my major thing against him is he was still trying to get us to lynch DYH AFTER HE HAD BEEN CONFIRMED TOWN. At the beginning of this day (ingame), he claimed that DYH was not cleared. It just so happens that he was. However, A_H "was not convinced." Mods don't lie (unless it's Sin City Mafia [and I didn't read the whole thread, so I am not sure if this is true]). Overall, I have justhad a bad feeling about him and he has acted very scummy throughou this game.
Coincidentally, if you look at his voting record for today, it seems very scummy. He seems to be voting and unvoting without that much reason, and I believe that he has been on most (if not all) bandwagons today. To me so far, he is the scummiest person for today.
Puzzle, if you want more, or clarification/evidence, all you need to do is ask. I am going to attempt to do a pbpa on him this weekend, but I don't really know if I will be able to (time constraints.)
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