Let me make this totally clear. I fully understand the rules. I made one careless error which does not necessarily relate to the controversy at hand, though it may have enabled this. Otherwise, I have been totally consistent. Any misunderstandings going on at the moment are not the direct result of mod error.
Twomz, declared that he had the ability to confirm any and all who were trustworthy. People clamored for him to clear him, and he would lay his hands on their heads and intone, "You are clear, my son."
Suddenly, Puzzle jumped from the bushes and shouted, "You don'y know anything, you fraud!" He went on to "prove" how revelation from Mod could not exist as Twomz had explained it.
The crowd was at first skeptical, but then began to get very angry as Puzzle's arguments penetrated their faith. One of them shouted, "Kill him! He's been deceiving us for far too long!" and the crowd shouted their approval. They advanced on Twomz, all means of support having left him at the crucial moment.
You tie him up, and someone goes to find a nice tall tree to hang him from. It isn't long before he's strung up, and everyone's cheering. A quick, post-mortem search of his possessions dims the exultation of the crowd, however, when you find a membership card from the Cathedral of Chalem. He was telling the truth all along.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Mmm... Absolutionis says he isn't scum, and CP says he did make an error... though its not supposed to have effected this. Yet Twomz said something that is untrue...
You wake up to the sound of rustling in the woods. As you look around, you can see shadows moving quickly from tree to tree, circling your encampment. You begin to grow nervous. Is this the end?
A man walks out of the shadows. He is rather short, with a complicated-looking headpiece. As he walked, he seemed to be making a number of complex handsigns toward you. Every few steps, he would crouch and narrow his eyes as if daring you to make a move. "I am Thrashbarg," he said. "Please do not throw your trash away in our village."
And with that, he walked, however oddly, back to the threshold of the clearing, and turned to stare at you, unblinking.
Two much younger men hauled a heavy-looking mass forward into the clearing. As they dumped it, you caught a glimpse of kingcobweb's face among the detritus. You rush forward to find out what happened to him. It looks rather like he's been killed. Duh-duh-duh.
kingcobweb, AKA Zarniwoop, name caller, is dead.
It is now Day 4. With 15 alive, it is 8 to lynch. Moving on...
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
wait... can you fix the title. Because it still looks like Night 3 right now.
So, KCW is gone. That sucks. Well, at least we know he is town and can do something with that. But right now, I don't know what to do.
Well, I just wrote something concrening the fact that we lynched puzzle, because he dragged us into that lynch. However, I then promptly realized that he was an uncounterclaimed cop. Well then, I don't think that we can lynch him. But this kind of makes me less likely to trust him in the future. He was wrong about this, and he could be wrong again.
On a sidenote, what exactly does the fact that Twomz was town tell us about bluesoul. Remember, he was confirmed by Twomz, but Twomz wasn't given alignments. I can't really think of anything right now, but I think we need to get some analytical minds out here to help us.
On another side note, is TWS confirmed? Because of KCW's townieness.
I think CP was just being too generous in giving Twomz info. Twomz apparently did confirm me, and for anyone that still has qualms with my role, remember that CP reminded him about the fishbowl himself; the fact that I have to share with the town should be enough.
Here's what I see happening. The mafia realizes that they know Twomz is town and probably telling the truth, and they know that I'm, at the very least, not scum. They realize that letting KCW live will confirm possibly 3 different people (himself, me, and a third person). They decide that that'll cut their odds too close so they choose him instead of the obvious choice of Puzzle.
These rolenames and alignments throw me off; Zarniwoop was an antagonist in THHGTTG. Honestly Wonko the Sane's flavor (being referred to as "the only sane man in the universe") is more in line with an SK than a protown role. What can we infer? Basically, what we already know; common sense will get you nowhere. This is Douglas Adams mafia, you know it's not going to be all cut-and-dried.
What's with only 1 kill per night? Aside from the odd daykill, we've had one death every night. This would imply either our vig is a day vig, or there's no SK, which I can't see happening in a game of this size. I really don't know what to make of all that.
Well. I'm sure there's going to be a lot to discuss today...but no, I don't think that clears TWS. Yes, it makes him look a lot better, but it doesn't clear him. On another note, I believe that Abandon should be looked at very closely for the first half of today. Pressure-building-non-bolded FOS of-non-voting: A_H.
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Over and over again Twomz told us that Puzzle was scum and to examine Puzzle after his death. The question is whether that was just OMGUS or if he really was on to something. We've had some pretty strange roles. The only evidence towards the existence of a cop is Chimpanzee the niave. Perhaps we don't have a cop at all? That would make Puzzle claiming cop one of the more daring plays for scum. I wouldn't put it past him. If you're scum and you see both KCW and Twomz with powerful nivestigative abilities...
But I trust Puzzle. Yesterday was just an unhappy accident.
@Puzzle: Who did you target and how did it go? I hope Twomz wasn't serious about roleblocking you.
That was what I wrote and found myself unable to post earlier. Things haven't changed. I can only look forward to TWS furthur posting. Perhaps he will enlighten me as to which issues he would like me to discuss.
We have a plethora of things to discuss yet, so I'm not voting. But, obviously, this AH wagon suits me just fine, as he lied about me a couple days ago. The bit about him fishing, though? C'mon, we have a day-killer out there. The cop is already out in the open - we need any information he can provide us, there's really no reason for him to withhold it.
Beaker's itchy trigger-finger has me concerned. He doesn't provide much input, but he sure does like to vote- EXCEPT for might I add, Machin Shin, who was scum. FoS: Beaker
AH is scummy for a couple of reasons, including his attack on DYH, and the fishing in his last post
A few examples:
post 904 “Gah! Azraels dead. What will we do? PANIC! Nice try Dissrupt Your Hymn, but you missed your target. I am now sure you are not with the town. Thats right. This is role based information. And now that you have struck, I can say something. I repeat:
Lynch Disrupt_Your_Hymn. He is not town. (Vote: Disrupt_Your_Hymn)”
he has “role based information” that DYH wasn’t town… except he was…either he screwed up or he lied
post 916 “
To be perfectly clear. I don't know that Disrupt_Your_Hymn had a hand in Az's death. I only suspect that. What I do know is this: Disrupt_Your_Hymn is not town. Handed down from on high, by the voice of mod.”
But DYH was town, please explain how you got this information, until then, it really sounds like you lied
This was bluesoul in post 942 “There was no pressure on AH to make the claim, so if he's wrong he gets lynched. Simple.” And I tend to agree here with this, along with LAL
Post 960 “ He's still alive? Well, crap! Nobody panic. It will become abundently clear I am town if you try to lynch me. Killing DYH is not my win condition so I can live with this. Forgive me yesterday's shenanigans at lets move along.
In other news, losing a naive cop isn't the worst thing that could have happened.“
This sounds extremely defensive, after DYH’s reincarnation
Post 974, DYH “Looks at Abandon Hope: Hello, liar. Care to explain the bit about my being "non-town"?”
Exactly…
After the discussion of TWS’s nameclaim/neutral claim, everybody tries to get back on task
This is 1034, AH
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Well, ok, how about the other leads.time.
Alright, back to Puzzle. Why were you, a presumed townie, with the victim on the night of his death? Why should I believe you didn't kill chimpanzee?
True, this is another lead, but before KCW and TWS’s discussion, a lot of the attention was on you, you seem to be throwing attention around now…
Also, his most recent post was very fishy, and the sum of the lying/misunderstanding/whatever happened, the defensiveness and the fishing is what led to my vote
i would like a better explanation from AH about why he "knew DYH isnt town"
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I would have to second Beaker's request about the "role related info showing DYH isn't town"
I want to let you guys know I am totally against bandwagonning A_H at this time. This does not include people who are voting him and giving a reason, this is more towards the people who will most likely show up and vote him without any backup beyond "yeah what _____ said!" Let him at least post a rebuttal/argument.
Wow, thats the most I've heard out of you all game Beaker. If you really want to know about my accusation of DYH, read the thread. I answered Kenji's questions pretty thouroughly. Of course, he decided I was lying after that, but the point isn't to clear myself in your eyes. The point is that the information you request is already in thread. There is no better explanation. What happened, happened.
Wow, thats the most I've heard out of you all game Beaker. If you really want to know about my accusation of DYH, read the thread. I answered Kenji's questions pretty thouroughly. Of course, he decided I was lying after that, but the point isn't to clear myself in your eyes. The point is that the information you request is already in thread. There is no better explanation. What happened, happened.
Then why did you maintain that he was scum after it was revealed that he was not? By the mod.
See post #982, 1011. Next time do your own research. Does it really hurt you that we have different opinions?
Thanks for pointing out two totally irrelevant posts. Here, I'll bring them into this post:
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Wasn't it clear the first time? You aren't town. Until you're dead for good, I remain convinced. There are more important things though.
Puzzle: What posessed you to target chimp last night? I'm not asking for an ability claim. Just why you targeted him. If that's inextricably tied to your role, I understand and withdraw my question.
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How can you say that the mod is not a reliable source when you draw your "confirmation" from the mod? Just something to think about. Is it a surprise that I choose also to trust the mod?
Please. I'm not trying to misrepresent you, I'm just answering questions. I'm not trying to activly get you lynched. I did that already and it ended badly. I am trying to clear things up for those who still have questions. @Kenji: I recieved my info about DYH from my PM.
@TWS: Is your role name so scummy that you cannot tell us? This is how information should be used, to force a claim to be true. So claim truely. The burden of proof is on the acused in this case.
With the first post, I assume you want me to look at the first clause (wasn't... though). You don't give any reason here, which is what I asked for. All you did was reiterate that he wasn't town. However, it was explicitly stated in the thread that he was town. The "until your dead, I remain convinced" has nothing to do with anything. Fine, you aren't convinced. Why?
With the second post, I assume you also want us to look at the first section (How...mod) Again, this doesn't quite answer my question. There is an implication here, which you have not yet outrightly stated, that the mod told you that DYH was scum. However, I am not sure if we can trust you on this point for one simple reason. We are provided with two conflicting stories. One of them is true. Logically, the other must be false. He cannot be town AND scum, and we certainly know he is town. So either the mod lied to you, or
There is no "research" to be done. Look, neither of these posts really display a good reason for why you continue to contradict the word of the mod. This is public knowledge that can be verified. Your "claim" that he has to be scum because of implied information passed on from the mod cannot be verified. If one of you has to be lying, it is going to be you. It is not the mod.
So yes, it hurts me when we have two different opinions. But only when I know that I am right, and that you are wrong.
On a side note, the second paragraph of the second post essentially contradicts yourself. You say that he is obviously still scum :rolleyes:, but furthermore, you say that you don't want to lynch him again. Obviously, this is wrong. You do want to lynch him. Otherwise you wouldn't have addressed this point in the first place. In addition, in a previous post I believe that you mentioned that you still wanted to lynch him because you were sure he was scum. This would lynch a confirmed townie, obviously a bad move.
On another side note, (boy, do I love these), can someone reiterate why they are suspicious of Diggy. I know that multiple people have brought up this suspicion, but I would like to have someone present it succintly and cohesively. Thanks
Everything you need to know, Avabob, is in the thread. Either by me or another, it has been discussed. Answering questions about my motives only advances my case against DYH. This is bad because most people believe he is cleared, and no one is going to lynch him. I become a danger to the town when I attempt to lynch DYH, therefor I do not attempt. This has little to do with what I think about anyone. It is actions. That's all it is.
I can believe whatever I choose to believe without you suffering a bit. I can think that maybe the mod wouldn't reveal DYH until he truely dies. If I don't do anything about it, you arn't harmed. You can lynch me for disagreeing with you, but that would be foolish.
Then just don't lynchor even claim without me telling you about last night. I'll spit it up at the point where someone is about to claim if it is relevant and I will anyway before any lynch.
You're gonna die by daykill and I'll miss the info.
I seem to remember something about daykills already...wait a second...Puzzle, in your original role, didn't you have the power to daykill people? (this is not an accusation)
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Puzzle, I pointed out why you should release the info early in the day, and it's been reiterated by a few people here. We do have a daykiller on the loose, you know.
I should prolly post before the day ends (ie. day 2).
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Nice, I'm on my way back as a few more people take off. Ah, well.
I agree with Puzzle about the possible T&J situation between AH and DYH, but it rubs me the wrong way to just let liars live. The problem with that is that AH is apparenly Arthur Dent, who pretty much would be a guaranteed townie (even though I've harped on roles being irrelevant to alignments it's still hard to swallow Arthur being scum).
Not a lot else to add, seems like it was a slow weekend.
Missed that :
Sort of, yes. It triggered kills at some point in the day (when a certain post number was reached). However, they had to be programmed, one per night, and CP denied me the first (I wanted to program a bunch of people at 1500 ).
So, I did have a sort of daykill but I never programmed it.
evil...any way [ilol].
And you had that role because you were outside of the game? Or because you were on the replacement list?
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What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Like an idiot, I have tried to upgrade my computer. Should have just left well enough alone. The good news is that I'm writing this on the new machine. The bad news is that my serial bus lacks drivers. It took me twenty minutes to load up to this point. I'll be around but sporadic.
Interesting... so are you implying that chamber is now that role?
That's exactly what I was thinking. But because they are not actually in the game (similar to players in magic) we can't kill them. But they still have an effect...interesting. mIght be why chamber didn't replace when he was supposed to.
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What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I hope you guys are right on the day-killer, and it's not something like he has the ability to kill on even days (The every-other-night mafia was in French, so why not the every-other-day killer?). Frankly, I'm going to be pretty peeved, Puzzle, if you go down before we get that information.
Anyhow, I'm still incredibly suspicious of Beaker. Sure, he posted a defense of why he's got his vote on AH, but it's his absence from the vote on Machin Shin coupled with his eagerness to vote every other day that has me concerned.
Nothing much new to add at this point, I feel like I'm conversing with the same 4 or 5 people.
DYH, i didnt vote for MS because i didnt get a chance
by the time that i got on for the first time after the counterclaim, it was already night
i wouldve voted him if i had the chance, but i didnt
I second A_H's new compy update problems. I also trust Puzzle enough now to follow him in voting Beaker. Vote Beaker. I would vote A_H, but I now think there is something more there than just a scum with info lynching a townie....
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I second A_H's new compy update problems. I also trust Puzzle enough now to follow him in voting Beaker. Vote Beaker. I would vote A_H, but I now think there is something more there than just a scum with info lynching a townie....
How could you trust Puzzle more after refusing to give the town information that may help them?
Puzzle actually looks rather bad in my eyes atm. 1. I still have a feeling that he falseclaimed cop, or that his role has some restriction of some sort. 2. [censored] 3. He made a comment about limiting the number of posts. In mafia, the more someone posts, the more information we get from them, and the better chance of someone emmiting scum tells or slipping up. His plan is logical only considering that the role still in the game, something we are not sure of. Meanwhile, it give mafia the perfect chance to lurk and stay under the radar, using the excuse "Well, I didn't want to post unnessacarily because it could kill a townie."
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Okay, WOLG, it's obvious you think you have something. Care to clear it up, or are we just going to keep playing cat-and-mouse games with our uncounter-claimed cop?
EWP: As for item 1, he already claimed it's possible his investigative methods could bring about the death of the investigated person. That certainly falls under a restriction, I think.
A deadline has been requested. I would like to know how many people support a deadline being imposed at this stage. Let me know. If I do impose a deadline, it will probably be for Monday, or thereabouts.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Well I'm back and I see things are moving along nicely :/
I support a deadline.
I could vote Abandon Hope for misleading about DYH being non-town.
I could vote Diggy (still).
I could vote the "Neutral" person, TWS.
I might be persuaded to vote Beaker if I understood what people were saying about him. Is Puzzle "hinting" at an inspection result which I just missed? If so, just say it man. It's not like you're undercover anymore.
2. I am also against Puzzle withholding information.
3. If your methods could have killed me, you'd think I would have gotten some indication that I had been investigated. Thus, I am against any plan that involves Puzzle investigating people he doesn't think are scum.
4. I am against any plan of limiting information available to the town, especially if the scum could have a clue as to what it is and thus work it out together.
5. I am currently against a plan of letting Holmes live out the day, due to his last post, and the vibes I've been getting for a while now.
Let me make this totally clear. I fully understand the rules. I made one careless error which does not necessarily relate to the controversy at hand, though it may have enabled this. Otherwise, I have been totally consistent. Any misunderstandings going on at the moment are not the direct result of mod error.
Twomz, declared that he had the ability to confirm any and all who were trustworthy. People clamored for him to clear him, and he would lay his hands on their heads and intone, "You are clear, my son."
Suddenly, Puzzle jumped from the bushes and shouted, "You don'y know anything, you fraud!" He went on to "prove" how revelation from Mod could not exist as Twomz had explained it.
The crowd was at first skeptical, but then began to get very angry as Puzzle's arguments penetrated their faith. One of them shouted, "Kill him! He's been deceiving us for far too long!" and the crowd shouted their approval. They advanced on Twomz, all means of support having left him at the crucial moment.
You tie him up, and someone goes to find a nice tall tree to hang him from. It isn't long before he's strung up, and everyone's cheering. A quick, post-mortem search of his possessions dims the exultation of the crowd, however, when you find a membership card from the Cathedral of Chalem. He was telling the truth all along.
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1 Abandon Hope - (avabob)
1 Puzzle - (WellOfLostGnomes)
10 Twomz - (Abandon Hope, Diggy, Puzzle, That Which Squeaks, Kenji, Beaker, bluesoul, kingcobweb, Peregrine_Falcon, Twomz)
Twomz, AKA Slartibartfast, super roleblocker, is dead. And it wasn't the mod's fault.
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Mmm... Absolutionis says he isn't scum, and CP says he did make an error... though its not supposed to have effected this. Yet Twomz said something that is untrue...
*is now waiting for the lynch scene*
Remind me to request being a vanilla townie next game.
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A man walks out of the shadows. He is rather short, with a complicated-looking headpiece. As he walked, he seemed to be making a number of complex handsigns toward you. Every few steps, he would crouch and narrow his eyes as if daring you to make a move. "I am Thrashbarg," he said. "Please do not throw your trash away in our village."
And with that, he walked, however oddly, back to the threshold of the clearing, and turned to stare at you, unblinking.
Two much younger men hauled a heavy-looking mass forward into the clearing. As they dumped it, you caught a glimpse of kingcobweb's face among the detritus. You rush forward to find out what happened to him. It looks rather like he's been killed. Duh-duh-duh.
kingcobweb, AKA Zarniwoop, name caller, is dead.
It is now Day 4. With 15 alive, it is 8 to lynch. Moving on...
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So, KCW is gone. That sucks. Well, at least we know he is town and can do something with that. But right now, I don't know what to do.
Well, I just wrote something concrening the fact that we lynched puzzle, because he dragged us into that lynch. However, I then promptly realized that he was an uncounterclaimed cop. Well then, I don't think that we can lynch him. But this kind of makes me less likely to trust him in the future. He was wrong about this, and he could be wrong again.
On a sidenote, what exactly does the fact that Twomz was town tell us about bluesoul. Remember, he was confirmed by Twomz, but Twomz wasn't given alignments. I can't really think of anything right now, but I think we need to get some analytical minds out here to help us.
On another side note, is TWS confirmed? Because of KCW's townieness.
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Here's what I see happening. The mafia realizes that they know Twomz is town and probably telling the truth, and they know that I'm, at the very least, not scum. They realize that letting KCW live will confirm possibly 3 different people (himself, me, and a third person). They decide that that'll cut their odds too close so they choose him instead of the obvious choice of Puzzle.
These rolenames and alignments throw me off; Zarniwoop was an antagonist in THHGTTG. Honestly Wonko the Sane's flavor (being referred to as "the only sane man in the universe") is more in line with an SK than a protown role. What can we infer? Basically, what we already know; common sense will get you nowhere. This is Douglas Adams mafia, you know it's not going to be all cut-and-dried.
What's with only 1 kill per night? Aside from the odd daykill, we've had one death every night. This would imply either our vig is a day vig, or there's no SK, which I can't see happening in a game of this size. I really don't know what to make of all that.
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*shrugs*
Anyone, yay to be alive, vote Abandon Hope for the time being, and I'll post more once I have free time.
I'm going to agree with you and go with my earlier scummy feeling. I forgot I had to revote though, so I'll do it now. vote A_H
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But I trust Puzzle. Yesterday was just an unhappy accident.
@Puzzle: Who did you target and how did it go? I hope Twomz wasn't serious about roleblocking you.
That was what I wrote and found myself unable to post earlier. Things haven't changed. I can only look forward to TWS furthur posting. Perhaps he will enlighten me as to which issues he would like me to discuss.
vote:AH
Puzzle and WOLG a question anew
For your respective abilities
can they bring anyone to their knees?
As for this A_H bandwagon, what the hell?
What exactly did he do, can you tell?
Beaker's itchy trigger-finger has me concerned. He doesn't provide much input, but he sure does like to vote- EXCEPT for might I add, Machin Shin, who was scum. FoS: Beaker
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A few examples:
post 904 “Gah! Azraels dead. What will we do? PANIC! Nice try Dissrupt Your Hymn, but you missed your target. I am now sure you are not with the town. Thats right. This is role based information. And now that you have struck, I can say something. I repeat:
Lynch Disrupt_Your_Hymn. He is not town. (Vote: Disrupt_Your_Hymn)”
he has “role based information” that DYH wasn’t town… except he was…either he screwed up or he lied
post 916 “
To be perfectly clear. I don't know that Disrupt_Your_Hymn had a hand in Az's death. I only suspect that. What I do know is this: Disrupt_Your_Hymn is not town. Handed down from on high, by the voice of mod.”
But DYH was town, please explain how you got this information, until then, it really sounds like you lied
This was bluesoul in post 942 “There was no pressure on AH to make the claim, so if he's wrong he gets lynched. Simple.” And I tend to agree here with this, along with LAL
Post 960 “ He's still alive? Well, crap! Nobody panic. It will become abundently clear I am town if you try to lynch me. Killing DYH is not my win condition so I can live with this. Forgive me yesterday's shenanigans at lets move along.
In other news, losing a naive cop isn't the worst thing that could have happened.“
This sounds extremely defensive, after DYH’s reincarnation
Post 974, DYH “Looks at Abandon Hope: Hello, liar. Care to explain the bit about my being "non-town"?”
Exactly…
After the discussion of TWS’s nameclaim/neutral claim, everybody tries to get back on task
This is 1034, AH
True, this is another lead, but before KCW and TWS’s discussion, a lot of the attention was on you, you seem to be throwing attention around now…
Also, his most recent post was very fishy, and the sum of the lying/misunderstanding/whatever happened, the defensiveness and the fishing is what led to my vote
i would like a better explanation from AH about why he "knew DYH isnt town"
Everyone, Kenji is innocent.
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I want to let you guys know I am totally against bandwagonning A_H at this time. This does not include people who are voting him and giving a reason, this is more towards the people who will most likely show up and vote him without any backup beyond "yeah what _____ said!" Let him at least post a rebuttal/argument.
Ignore that last Hunted Charlie bit....that's what I get confusing two mafia threads....
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A_H is somewhat scummy, but all the people jumping on him automatically make me doubt.
Then why did you maintain that he was scum after it was revealed that he was not? By the mod.
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See post #982, 1011. Next time do your own research. Does it really hurt you that we have different opinions?
Thanks for pointing out two totally irrelevant posts. Here, I'll bring them into this post:
and
With the first post, I assume you want me to look at the first clause (wasn't... though). You don't give any reason here, which is what I asked for. All you did was reiterate that he wasn't town. However, it was explicitly stated in the thread that he was town. The "until your dead, I remain convinced" has nothing to do with anything. Fine, you aren't convinced. Why?
With the second post, I assume you also want us to look at the first section (How...mod) Again, this doesn't quite answer my question. There is an implication here, which you have not yet outrightly stated, that the mod told you that DYH was scum. However, I am not sure if we can trust you on this point for one simple reason. We are provided with two conflicting stories. One of them is true. Logically, the other must be false. He cannot be town AND scum, and we certainly know he is town. So either the mod lied to you, or
There is no "research" to be done. Look, neither of these posts really display a good reason for why you continue to contradict the word of the mod. This is public knowledge that can be verified. Your "claim" that he has to be scum because of implied information passed on from the mod cannot be verified. If one of you has to be lying, it is going to be you. It is not the mod.
So yes, it hurts me when we have two different opinions. But only when I know that I am right, and that you are wrong.
On a side note, the second paragraph of the second post essentially contradicts yourself. You say that he is obviously still scum :rolleyes:, but furthermore, you say that you don't want to lynch him again. Obviously, this is wrong. You do want to lynch him. Otherwise you wouldn't have addressed this point in the first place. In addition, in a previous post I believe that you mentioned that you still wanted to lynch him because you were sure he was scum. This would lynch a confirmed townie, obviously a bad move.
On another side note, (boy, do I love these), can someone reiterate why they are suspicious of Diggy. I know that multiple people have brought up this suspicion, but I would like to have someone present it succintly and cohesively. Thanks
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I can believe whatever I choose to believe without you suffering a bit. I can think that maybe the mod wouldn't reveal DYH until he truely dies. If I don't do anything about it, you arn't harmed. You can lynch me for disagreeing with you, but that would be foolish.
Is there a reason not to?
It'd help us think this through.
If only we really knew
what exactly we can do.
Rather than risk a mislynch
your info could help us in a pinch.
You're gonna die by daykill and I'll miss the info.
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Frogs have a 2 chambered heart.
Frogs have brains
Frogs have muscles
Forgs have nervous tissue
Frogs eat insects primarily.
Frogs must have their skin constantly damp
Several species of frogs are toxic
Frogs can swin
Frogs lay eggs
Camera flashes are dangerous to frogs
The only continent without frogs is Antarctica
Frogs are kepts as pets.
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the frog thing is getting old.
I agree with Puzzle about the possible T&J situation between AH and DYH, but it rubs me the wrong way to just let liars live. The problem with that is that AH is apparenly Arthur Dent, who pretty much would be a guaranteed townie (even though I've harped on roles being irrelevant to alignments it's still hard to swallow Arthur being scum).
Not a lot else to add, seems like it was a slow weekend.
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And you had that role because you were outside of the game? Or because you were on the replacement list?
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That's exactly what I was thinking. But because they are not actually in the game (similar to players in magic) we can't kill them. But they still have an effect...interesting. mIght be why chamber didn't replace when he was supposed to.
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Anyhow, I'm still incredibly suspicious of Beaker. Sure, he posted a defense of why he's got his vote on AH, but it's his absence from the vote on Machin Shin coupled with his eagerness to vote every other day that has me concerned.
Nothing much new to add at this point, I feel like I'm conversing with the same 4 or 5 people.
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by the time that i got on for the first time after the counterclaim, it was already night
i wouldve voted him if i had the chance, but i didnt
How could you trust Puzzle more after refusing to give the town information that may help them?
Puzzle actually looks rather bad in my eyes atm. 1. I still have a feeling that he falseclaimed cop, or that his role has some restriction of some sort. 2. [censored] 3. He made a comment about limiting the number of posts. In mafia, the more someone posts, the more information we get from them, and the better chance of someone emmiting scum tells or slipping up. His plan is logical only considering that the role still in the game, something we are not sure of. Meanwhile, it give mafia the perfect chance to lurk and stay under the radar, using the excuse "Well, I didn't want to post unnessacarily because it could kill a townie."
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Okay, WOLG, it's obvious you think you have something. Care to clear it up, or are we just going to keep playing cat-and-mouse games with our uncounter-claimed cop?
EWP: As for item 1, he already claimed it's possible his investigative methods could bring about the death of the investigated person. That certainly falls under a restriction, I think.
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I support a deadline.
I could vote Abandon Hope for misleading about DYH being non-town.
I could vote Diggy (still).
I could vote the "Neutral" person, TWS.
I might be persuaded to vote Beaker if I understood what people were saying about him. Is Puzzle "hinting" at an inspection result which I just missed? If so, just say it man. It's not like you're undercover anymore.
2. I am also against Puzzle withholding information.
3. If your methods could have killed me, you'd think I would have gotten some indication that I had been investigated. Thus, I am against any plan that involves Puzzle investigating people he doesn't think are scum.
4. I am against any plan of limiting information available to the town, especially if the scum could have a clue as to what it is and thus work it out together.
5. I am currently against a plan of letting Holmes live out the day, due to his last post, and the vibes I've been getting for a while now.
unvote, vote Holmes