"No, I specifically heard denim. Looks like so crafty ghost is trying to break our code" -Bravo 3 "I know nothing of the law, only vengence" -Dom, U/G madness
Well, as I wasn't in the game on night 1, I'm not sure why Cyan, Tuatha and diggy decided to kill you. But I suspect it was not so much your specific views, but the fact that you were playing like a submarine day 1. That means that killing you and revealing you as town gives the rest of the town virtually no information, plus the fact that laying low means you're quite possibly a power role.
If I had replaced Tuatha before night 1, I would have argued in favor of killing Athos. He lurked most of day 1 as well, and that "I eagerly await loran to claim doc" thing was a significant tell, IMO.
@Athos: Who were your protection targets? Out of curiosity, would we have gotten screwed over if we tried to kill Kokusho rather than blocking him last night?
Nah, I've heard from "sources" that diggy wanted me dead for outing him.
As far as I can remember, you were wagoned for some odd statement that you made when you voted someone. I don't recall whether you were originally jumped on by mafia or by an overzealous townie.
I still think it was a tell, for the reason I gave in my night PM. Who would know that such a claim coming from loran would be a lie, save for the real doc?
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Nah, I've heard from "sources" that diggy wanted me dead for outing him.
Oh. In that case, nevermind. I don't honestly know what diggy was playing at, acting the way he did. If I had replaced as townie, I would have been on his wagon like stink on a monkey. I guess it's good to have your scum at varying levels of suspicion, so that they're less likely to be grouped together.
@Athos: Who were your protection targets? Out of curiosity, would we have gotten screwed over if we tried to kill Kokusho rather than blocking him last night?
I protected Kokusho night one. Then last night I protected myself since I was almost certain Rahl's cunning plan was to claim to vig Diggy and then actually vig me. Had Rahl not been firing blindly like that I would have randomly protected one of the least scummy in my eyes plyers. Not certain who that would have been. As long as the role-blocker was out there though, there's no point in my protecting Kokusho since you'll not need to kill him.
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KWC would you have voted for me day 1 if I had not claimed?
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I protected Kokusho night one. Then last night I protected myself since I was almost certain Rahl's cunning plan was to claim to vig Diggy and then actually vig me. Had Rahl not been firing blindly like that I would have randomly protected one of the least scummy in my eyes plyers. Not certain who that would have been. As long as the role-blocker was out there though, there's no point in my protecting Kokusho since you'll not need to kill him.
Well, i find this funny cause i was certian that arimnaes and Diggy were scum. I had said as much, and everyone ignored me.
Throughout the game, i had voted for 2 of the 3 scum. The town this game was pretty dumb. People ignored what i concidered pretty obvious signs of scummyness. and let diggy live until day 3...
Question for everyone tho, what was the case agianst me? Quite honestly, except for the loran situation, i was pretty... calm.
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Nan says: there should be more asian people
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Feuerdrache says: but but but
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Feuerdrache says: she's a negroe!
Id like to nominate me for LVP. I have a habit of convincing myself my earlier instincts were wrong, when i was right that Cyan and Tuatha were in league early on. Still, didnt follow my instincts.
And how on earth did the town not lynch diggy. Jesus, could it have been more obvious?
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It is I who needs LVP loran. I was alive most and had nothing really.
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Well, i find this funny cause i was certian that arimnaes and Diggy were scum. I had said as much, and everyone ignored me.
Throughout the game, i had voted for 2 of the 3 scum. The town this game was pretty dumb. People ignored what i concidered pretty obvious signs of scummyness. and let diggy live until day 3...
Question for everyone tho, what was the case agianst me? Quite honestly, except for the loran situation, i was pretty... calm.
Well, to be fair, virtually all the non-scum players said diggy was scum. Your tit-for-tat business on day 1 cost you a whole lot of credibility, because when you voted for me after I presented my case, it was written off as OMGUS. I still think my case against you was pretty solid, as your interaction with loran on day 1 was genuinely suspicious to me.
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And how on earth did the town not lynch diggy. Jesus, could it have been more obvious?
I'd still like to think that it was because of my "I don't think he's the lynch today" line. Of course, it's probably just ego on my part.
I don't think any townie in particular deserves LVP. The town couldn't really get it together, because it had no solid information to go on (due to Koko's lack of investigations) and most of the townies were under suspicion for one reason or another. The people who were actually suspicious of the scum, or at least say they were now, didn't really press hard enough. Ultimately, you guys weren't assertive enough (or were too assertive, and thus came off as aggressive and scummy) to cut through our manipulation.
If I had to award an MVP, it'd probably be either Hooga or Mosschop, just because they were the ones best following rule number one of being a townie: don't get in the way. They never really drew suspicion, and thus they were our greatest obstacles. We were really starting to run short of potential mislynches on day 3, because they had managed to stay clean most of the game. I was even prepared to counterclaim the doctor, just for the chance to get that one last townie lynched.
Well, i find this funny cause i was certian that arimnaes and Diggy were scum. I had said as much, and everyone ignored me.
Throughout the game, i had voted for 2 of the 3 scum. The town this game was pretty dumb. People ignored what i concidered pretty obvious signs of scummyness. and let diggy live until day 3...
Question for everyone tho, what was the case agianst me? Quite honestly, except for the loran situation, i was pretty... calm.
I don't think there was a real case against you. You said a few off-the-wall things, and your "gambit" was not well calculated but you weren't terribly scummy. What really tossed it for me was your self-vote. Often that's a scum tactic, but I read you as being extremely frustrated at that point.
I think had you not gone off on the tear about vigging someone yesterday, and made a real argument about Diggy you'd have had better traction.
Now, don't take that as a harsh criticism - it's just my read. My on play this game wasn't that good. I'm a lousy doctor and better as a mid-range analyst working with potential outcomes. I also played poorly this game, I was about the only townie on two mis-lynches.
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Cool fact. In my two completed games I've been doc, vig and cop.
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The doctor cannot protect himself, it says that in the very first post of the thread. I would have raised hell if that were the case. It was obvious that you were the Doc anyway, Athos, you totally gave it away with that 'Eagerly awaiting 5 votes so that Loran can claim Doc' post. At least, I suspected you at that point, and apparently was right, so.
KCW: Diggy sugested lynching you, it's true. But you were a really safe lynch anyway, as you hadn't taken any stance against anyone.
Kops: Yeah I dunno how I got you lynched. Like the case I presented against you was very weak, but, I knew that Kokusho and Athos had it in for you and was able to play that up into them voting. Your claim was what sunk you I thought, especially since it was right after Diggy's claim, and his claim looked like it was pretty innocent, where as yours simply seemed like a scummy character. Anyway, yeah, driving a lynch on Loran was pretty easy because he helped it along, but, I'm honestly surprised that you got lynched.
Yeah I dunno how Diggy day 1, let alone the entire game...I thought his play was sooo ridiculously scummy. He bandwagoned every vote, was constantly on the defensive, and never really explained anything. I kept wanting to post and defend him on Day 2 but it seemed so obvious that he was scum that I couldn't without painting a big target on my own head, esp. if he got lynched. If his claim wouldn't have been so neutral I was going to vote him myself most likely, just because he would have been lynched anyway. Good thing he had like the safest claim in the entire game.
Wow, GG Mafia, you guys were amazing, especially Arimnaes. Town, play better next time plz.
Argh the last day/night/day were frustrating.
As Kops was lynched, my scumdar consisted of:
#1 Cyan. was 100% sure he was scum. I mean, he *complaied* the game was town-favoured, he used absolute craplogic on the Kops lynch, he didn't know things that would have been in his PMs, he speculated that the scum would've NKed him for "being annoying"... it just was blatently obvious. But I didn't want to say anything because I had no concrete/nonWIFOM evidence. During the twilight/night I made a PBPA and read up on him as much as I could (which, if you were wondering, was why I was lurking so much day2/night2). Was going to be my case starting day 3.
#2 Arimnaes. Because he came on the scene, immediately attacked someone, and then ended up pretty much cleared without a claim, simply from not being on the Kops lynch. That's great for a mafia, and we played right into his hands. Now, I couldn't attack him on this basis, becuase he was "pretty much cleared" status for the same reason I was pretty much cleared... therefore I would cast suspicion on myself and end up discrediting myself.
a side note, I wanted to be pretty much cleared so I could drive home some arguments, like the ones vs Cyan, that were kinda iffy. I found it pretty amazing that I managed to call that BOTH Loran and Kops were town before their claims.
#3 Athos/Diggy/Lord Rahl. Wasn't sure, but the reasons for all were stated during day 2.
Note these were my suspicions at the end of day 2 and in the day 2 twilight.
Now what made this truly interesting was what happened night 2. The mafia made a huge boo-boo; arimnaes (I can only assume accidentally) sent me this PM:
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final night choices
Alright, so I'm going to send in the night choices. Kill Hooga, Cyan blocks Kokusho.
Imagine my simultaneous elation that my scumdar was right, and my frustration that I would be killed before being able to argue it :/
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just reading through the after-game analysis by a lot of ppl... I think that we ended up not lynching Diggy because of a) the ridiculously safe claim OMG geez... and b) because you, Arimnaes, started an immediate and sensibleish attack on someone else which grabbed most of the town's attention. add that to the fact that Rahl wasn't very good at defending himself (I was, at one point, convinced he was the 3rd scum) and it was basically a case of attention diversion.
I'm still kinda reeling that the mafia actually was Cyan, Tuatha, and Diggy. Because those 3 (I feel) had the most newbish play (no offense) and gave off the most scum tells (other than Loran, who played ridiculously on purpose?).
Mafia, if you picked up on that Athos was doc day 1 (and I know I didn't), why didn't you NK him earlier? That would've allowed you to take down the town's 2 power roles easilly.
(this is like my 5th edit lol)
I think I should've played scummier. That way the mafia would've been less likely to NK me. Seems a good way to stay alive, and also would've allowed me to make iffy cases without being worried about others' judgment on me.
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Now what made this truly interesting was what happened night 2. The mafia made a huge boo-boo; arimnaes (I can only assume accidentally) sent me this PM:
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Alright, so I'm going to send in the night choices. Kill Hooga, Cyan blocks Kokusho.
Imagine my simultaneous elation that my scumdar was right, and my frustration that I would be killed before being able to argue it :/
Uh... wow. I had absolutely no idea I'd done that. Pretty fortunate for us that you weren't doc protected, or I would definitely be the scum LVP. I've checked my PM's, and yes, I did apparently send that message. It was supposed to go to Cyan and diggy, but I accidentally sent it to Cyan and you. I must have had your name on my mind, as the nightkill.
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#2 Arimnaes. Because he came on the scene, immediately attacked someone, and then ended up pretty much cleared without a claim, simply from not being on the Kops lynch. That's great for a mafia, and we played right into his hands. Now, I couldn't attack him on this basis, becuase he was "pretty much cleared" status for the same reason I was pretty much cleared... therefore I would cast suspicion on myself and end up discrediting myself.
Yeah, I figured that not being on the kops lynch would earn me street cred. When I came back one evening to discover he'd essentially been speedlynched, I tried to play it for all it was worth, i.e., berating those who lynched him, lecturing the town about tactics and lynch or lose, and glomming myself onto you to make me appear more town-friendly in case we decided to kill you.
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I'm still kinda reeling that the mafia actually was Cyan, Tuatha, and Diggy. Because those 3 (I feel) had the most newbish play (no offense) and gave off the most scum tells (other than Loran, who played ridiculously on purpose?).
I think early on, some of Cyan's newbishness was genuine. As the game progressed, he started pouring it on to gain sympathy and avert suspicion. I tried to reinforce this as best I could by saying that he was "too tactless to be scum" in my opening assessment of him. Tuatha was acting very much the newbie lurker scum type, and I was a little worried when Lord rahl declared he intended to hold me accountable for it. I decided to go for the conciliatory strategy, saying that I would accept responsibility for all her actions, while saying that they weren't scummy (even though they were, IMO.) Diggy isn't really a newb at mafia... I have no idea why he chose to lurk the whole game and jump on EVERY... SINGLE... BANDWAGON. I cannot believe he survived three days.
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I think I should've played scummier. That way the mafia would've been less likely to NK me. Seems a good way to stay alive, and also would've allowed me to make iffy cases without being worried about others' judgment on me.
Eh, I think there were enough scummy townsfolk in this game as it was. The fact that you kept yourself out of the mud for the first two days was one of the reasons we had to NK you, despite the fact that we knew you probably weren't the doc. There's no shame in getting NK'ed as vanilla town, it buys the power roles more time. If you'd played scummier, you might have been forced to claim, which would have been great for us because it would have narrowed down the doc to Athos and Mosschop.
We didn't NK Athos because people had already started to suspect him as being mafia..we just went after people that seemed like they were trying to stay off of the radar. And yeah, you're right, if you'd been more vocal/attracted more attention, we'd have lynched someone else. You were just the obvious target because there was no way we could force a lynch against you...honestly I think it would have been easy to get Athos lynched had Lord Rahl not just given up, people already largely suspected Athos anyway.
Arim: Way to tell the nightkill subject that he's being nightkilled
In my own defense, I honestly didn't realize that we get a night kill when I complained that the game favors the town..I missed that in my initial read of the first post. Also, nothing that I asked/didn't know was in any of my PMs.
I almost counter-claimed as the cop, and I think my role would have been believable for it since I 'know everything'...but I checked and found out that Kokusho's role and alignment would be revealed when/if he got lynched, so, I didn't obviously.
Arim: Way to tell the nightkill subject that he's being nightkilled
You know, I should do that for all my victims from now on. For gloating purposes.
Or not.
@Hooga: In the actual PM I sent Kijin for our actions that night, I requested to drown you in Carl's swimming pool. I guess Kijin vetoed that decision.
PS: I did in fact reread the entire thread when I replaced. However, all the times after that, I was just lodging complaints.
I would still probably give town MVP to either you or Mosschop. You had a better handle on who stood where than you gave yourself credit for. Apart from your misjudging people on day 1 (which half the town does anyway), the town would have done well to listen to you a bit more. Particularly your suggestion about not voting. Cough Cough.
This game depressed me. I lynched two townies and did not do anything as cop.
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Yeah, about that not voting bit...day 3 was interesting... I don't know how Rahl ended up wanting to vote himself, but look at these posts:
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I'm still not inclined to think Cyan is mafia, which makes the most likely mafia for me Athos, Mosschop, and either Rahl or diggy. Keep in mind we also have a doc somewhere in there. That means one more cleared townie.
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Hooga getting lynched is...interesting...seems really similar to KCW getting lynched..Hooga was kind of noncommital and hard to get a read on. Like he posted enough that it didn't seem like he was lurking, but, he mostly just responded to what other people thought, and didn't provide too much original input.
IDK about other people, but these posts scream scum at me. Especially Cyan's (but that's probably because it was talking about me). arimnaes's is more an error of omission - the logical next step there would be to have the doc claim.
edit: not to mention koko you tried investigating a townie who was NKed. I thought I played better than that :/
Oh and while I'm thinking about it, I was considering Kops's plan/choice of who was scum. The main problem I had about it was it implied Mosschop was scum by process of elimination. Which I couldn't accept. So I decided to ignore it. Sorry Kops.
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Yeah, that post was going to be my grand segue into advocating a mass claim as a ploy to draw out the doc. Except then I realized, "Wait a minute. Rahl is voting himself. Diggy is voting Rahl. If Cyan and I can just... hmm..."
At first I thought it was too risky, because without daytalk we couldn't coordinate a simulpost or anything. I immediately smacked myself for espousing the nonvoting policy in my previous post, because that made it impossible for me to vote rahl while maintaining consistency.
For a while I was refreshing the thread every 30 seconds or so in the hopes that Athos would log off, making it completely safe for Cyan (who I assume was doing the same thing, waiting) to vote him so that I could finish him off. I was really, really paranoid though, because we hadn't had a vote count that showed Kijin had counted diggy's vote and Rahl's vote for himself.
When Cyan voted and said "That's three votes... hint hint", I knew I had to go for it. Imagine how alarmed I was when we went to night again, rather than endgame. I was thinking, "OMG there must be a sleeper or a switcher or something weird because we just lynched the vig but we're STILL HERE."
Hence why I made sure to save my "ha ha" post until after it was confirmed that the game was over.
I think judging how the game went to night just like that, that Kijin simply didn't have the lynch scene and the engame scene ready yet at the time. Speaking of Kijin, I have to say excellent job as mod. Promptly answered my question of how to react to arimnaes's PM and managed the game well. The lynch/nightkill scenes were gold.
Setup was pretty good too. I'm a bit miffed at Diggy's role+name though... its such a clean claim...
oh and as for drowing me, my character I'm a blob who posesses other people, a bit difficult to drown a blob... still, better than shotgunning me lol
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I think judging how the game went to night just like that, that Kijin simply didn't have the lynch scene and the engame scene ready yet at the time. Speaking of Kijin, I have to say excellent job as mod. Promptly answered my question of how to react to arimnaes's PM and managed the game well.
Really? What did he say? "Uh... that guy's an idiot. Just sit down and wait to be nightkilled, and everything will be fine."
As far as the lynch scene, I think there was confusion as far as what the mafia WC was supposed to be. I PM'ed Kijin to ask, and he said that he'd made it "Eliminate the townies", rather than "Gain a majority in the town", which is the standard one. Of course, once Rahl was dead, systematically eliminating the townies would be a formality, as the mafia would have a majority in town and thus control the lynch, or at least prevent the town from lynching at all.
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Muh. Wow, GOGOMAFIA! Obviously now you know who the mafia is. Unless you are protected at night by the doctor, you're getting night killed (from the looks of it).
I would appreciate, for the sake of fairness in game, if you just ignored it. You can use it as a bargaining piece of you are protected for some reason tonight, but don't... muh... quote it or refrence it directly in game (EG- in any good-bye message you post in game).
If you have any questions about what's PC or not, feel free to pm me. This was a really stupid job on the mafia's part though.
Anyway, sorry this happened to you =/
-Kijin
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I think it would have been funny if he'd have forced another day. The day would have consisted of 3 posts, one by each of us Mafia naming the same person(who we could literally pick at random) to lynch, and then just another NK. I'm still mystified that Kijin told Athos that the Doc can protect himself..how ridiculous would that be Then it's like the best claim ever. I'm the Doc, derf derf now I'm cleared and can't be NKed. GG me! Good thing it didn't come to that, probably just a bit of confusion anyway.
And yeah, after Lord Rahl voted himself(still WTFing that one), it kind of sucks, Rahl knew he was town..so essentially he scooped the game..for the entire town..I was looking forward to helping convince some random person(most likely Kokusho) to vote Athos so we could pile on him.And then, I saw that Arim was viewing the thread, I knew that I'd just have to throw my vote on the pile and hope he'd read the thread afterwards before logging off. Athos was lurking too, which was weird...but didn't matter.
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I think it would have been funny if he'd have forced another day. The day would have consisted of 3 posts, one by each of us Mafia naming the same person(who we could literally pick at random) to lynch, and then just another NK. I'm still mystified that Kijin told Athos that the Doc can protect himself..how ridiculous would that be Then it's like the best claim ever. I'm the Doc, derf derf now I'm cleared and can't be NKed. GG me! Good thing it didn't come to that, probably just a bit of confusion anyway.
Nothing in his PM said he couldn't and I've seen other games where doc protects himself on some nights.
It would eventually, with mob domination/equality and the vig dead, get to the point where you could just daykill whoever the doc was. Each one could be like, "LOL I AM IN THE MAFIA. I VOTE YOU, DOC!" and he couldn't do a thing about it.
As for my modding... meh, I'm new and a lot of my decisions had to be made on my feet. I was worried about giving away "too much" information while answering questions. The early stuff with deliverance and athos (athos was a good guy, he just thought I was trolling him or something when I wasn't) in the beginning was not an auspiscious start to the game. I think I handled deliverance ok, in the end... at least I hope I did. It was my first time and the game didn't collapse in on itself... so that's cool at least.
I'm really sad about the town's playstyle. Day 1 was filled with the mod bandwaggoning off eachother... and when Kokusho randomy asserted that diggy was mafia, I thought I had another tuatha situation on my hands for a second.
One question for Loran... how in heck did you determine that I was "89% sure" mafia after your gambit day 1?
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Just a note: In all future games that I'm scum, I'm sending the NK target a two word PM: "Good night". It would be like Voldemort's mark in Harry Potter. You see the PM, you know you're dead.
This is only if we're sure that there's no more protection roles, of course.
EDIT: Just in case anybody didn't get that. It was a joke. I won't actually do that. But if I'm modding, and I know the player can't be saved or contact anybody, I might do that once or twice for fun. They still won't know who the scum are, anyway, they'll just know that they're dead before everybody else.
And then they pm thier mason or laugh because they can't be NK'd
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I do think that if day 2 hadn't ended prematurely with the Kops speedlynch, attention might have shifted back to Diggy. I was thrown mainly by his squeaky-clean claim.
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I think you did a fine job, Kijin. I agree the town's play was lacking overall. I still dunno how Diggy stayed alive.
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ahahah thank god I can edit my posts now..having to double post drove me nuts. Are you going to assign town/mafia/ MVPs etc, Kijin?
I had a 6 page essay on Battle Royale movie reviews that don't exist tonight, but I'll be posting stuff at my first convenient instance. Also he's a robot.
"I know nothing of the law, only vengence" -Dom, U/G madness
Nah, I've heard from "sources" that diggy wanted me dead for outing him.
I still think it was a tell, for the reason I gave in my night PM. Who would know that such a claim coming from loran would be a lie, save for the real doc?
Oh. In that case, nevermind. I don't honestly know what diggy was playing at, acting the way he did. If I had replaced as townie, I would have been on his wagon like stink on a monkey. I guess it's good to have your scum at varying levels of suspicion, so that they're less likely to be grouped together.
I protected Kokusho night one. Then last night I protected myself since I was almost certain Rahl's cunning plan was to claim to vig Diggy and then actually vig me. Had Rahl not been firing blindly like that I would have randomly protected one of the least scummy in my eyes plyers. Not certain who that would have been. As long as the role-blocker was out there though, there's no point in my protecting Kokusho since you'll not need to kill him.
"I know nothing of the law, only vengence" -Dom, U/G madness
You were allowed to protect yourself?
Glad we didn't decide to kill you, after all.
It's a little unusual, but my PM didn't say that I couldn't so I chanced asking if I could.
I only wish you had, it might have been interesting. It also would have convinced you that I wasn't the doctor either.
Throughout the game, i had voted for 2 of the 3 scum. The town this game was pretty dumb. People ignored what i concidered pretty obvious signs of scummyness. and let diggy live until day 3...
Question for everyone tho, what was the case agianst me? Quite honestly, except for the loran situation, i was pretty... calm.
And how on earth did the town not lynch diggy. Jesus, could it have been more obvious?
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
"I know nothing of the law, only vengence" -Dom, U/G madness
I'd still like to think that it was because of my "I don't think he's the lynch today" line. Of course, it's probably just ego on my part.
I don't think any townie in particular deserves LVP. The town couldn't really get it together, because it had no solid information to go on (due to Koko's lack of investigations) and most of the townies were under suspicion for one reason or another. The people who were actually suspicious of the scum, or at least say they were now, didn't really press hard enough. Ultimately, you guys weren't assertive enough (or were too assertive, and thus came off as aggressive and scummy) to cut through our manipulation.
If I had to award an MVP, it'd probably be either Hooga or Mosschop, just because they were the ones best following rule number one of being a townie: don't get in the way. They never really drew suspicion, and thus they were our greatest obstacles. We were really starting to run short of potential mislynches on day 3, because they had managed to stay clean most of the game. I was even prepared to counterclaim the doctor, just for the chance to get that one last townie lynched.
I don't think there was a real case against you. You said a few off-the-wall things, and your "gambit" was not well calculated but you weren't terribly scummy. What really tossed it for me was your self-vote. Often that's a scum tactic, but I read you as being extremely frustrated at that point.
I think had you not gone off on the tear about vigging someone yesterday, and made a real argument about Diggy you'd have had better traction.
Now, don't take that as a harsh criticism - it's just my read. My on play this game wasn't that good. I'm a lousy doctor and better as a mid-range analyst working with potential outcomes. I also played poorly this game, I was about the only townie on two mis-lynches.
"I know nothing of the law, only vengence" -Dom, U/G madness
KCW: Diggy sugested lynching you, it's true. But you were a really safe lynch anyway, as you hadn't taken any stance against anyone.
Kops: Yeah I dunno how I got you lynched. Like the case I presented against you was very weak, but, I knew that Kokusho and Athos had it in for you and was able to play that up into them voting. Your claim was what sunk you I thought, especially since it was right after Diggy's claim, and his claim looked like it was pretty innocent, where as yours simply seemed like a scummy character. Anyway, yeah, driving a lynch on Loran was pretty easy because he helped it along, but, I'm honestly surprised that you got lynched.
Yeah I dunno how Diggy day 1, let alone the entire game...I thought his play was sooo ridiculously scummy. He bandwagoned every vote, was constantly on the defensive, and never really explained anything. I kept wanting to post and defend him on Day 2 but it seemed so obvious that he was scum that I couldn't without painting a big target on my own head, esp. if he got lynched. If his claim wouldn't have been so neutral I was going to vote him myself most likely, just because he would have been lynched anyway. Good thing he had like the safest claim in the entire game.
Argh the last day/night/day were frustrating.
As Kops was lynched, my scumdar consisted of:
#1 Cyan. was 100% sure he was scum. I mean, he *complaied* the game was town-favoured, he used absolute craplogic on the Kops lynch, he didn't know things that would have been in his PMs, he speculated that the scum would've NKed him for "being annoying"... it just was blatently obvious. But I didn't want to say anything because I had no concrete/nonWIFOM evidence. During the twilight/night I made a PBPA and read up on him as much as I could (which, if you were wondering, was why I was lurking so much day2/night2). Was going to be my case starting day 3.
#2 Arimnaes. Because he came on the scene, immediately attacked someone, and then ended up pretty much cleared without a claim, simply from not being on the Kops lynch. That's great for a mafia, and we played right into his hands. Now, I couldn't attack him on this basis, becuase he was "pretty much cleared" status for the same reason I was pretty much cleared... therefore I would cast suspicion on myself and end up discrediting myself.
a side note, I wanted to be pretty much cleared so I could drive home some arguments, like the ones vs Cyan, that were kinda iffy. I found it pretty amazing that I managed to call that BOTH Loran and Kops were town before their claims.
#3 Athos/Diggy/Lord Rahl. Wasn't sure, but the reasons for all were stated during day 2.
Note these were my suspicions at the end of day 2 and in the day 2 twilight.
Now what made this truly interesting was what happened night 2. The mafia made a huge boo-boo; arimnaes (I can only assume accidentally) sent me this PM:
Imagine my simultaneous elation that my scumdar was right, and my frustration that I would be killed before being able to argue it :/
W00T I CAN EDIT NOW!!1!
just reading through the after-game analysis by a lot of ppl... I think that we ended up not lynching Diggy because of a) the ridiculously safe claim OMG geez... and b) because you, Arimnaes, started an immediate and sensibleish attack on someone else which grabbed most of the town's attention. add that to the fact that Rahl wasn't very good at defending himself (I was, at one point, convinced he was the 3rd scum) and it was basically a case of attention diversion.
I'm still kinda reeling that the mafia actually was Cyan, Tuatha, and Diggy. Because those 3 (I feel) had the most newbish play (no offense) and gave off the most scum tells (other than Loran, who played ridiculously on purpose?).
Mafia, if you picked up on that Athos was doc day 1 (and I know I didn't), why didn't you NK him earlier? That would've allowed you to take down the town's 2 power roles easilly.
(this is like my 5th edit lol)
I think I should've played scummier. That way the mafia would've been less likely to NK me. Seems a good way to stay alive, and also would've allowed me to make iffy cases without being worried about others' judgment on me.
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Uh... wow. I had absolutely no idea I'd done that. Pretty fortunate for us that you weren't doc protected, or I would definitely be the scum LVP. I've checked my PM's, and yes, I did apparently send that message. It was supposed to go to Cyan and diggy, but I accidentally sent it to Cyan and you. I must have had your name on my mind, as the nightkill.
Yeah, I figured that not being on the kops lynch would earn me street cred. When I came back one evening to discover he'd essentially been speedlynched, I tried to play it for all it was worth, i.e., berating those who lynched him, lecturing the town about tactics and lynch or lose, and glomming myself onto you to make me appear more town-friendly in case we decided to kill you.
I think early on, some of Cyan's newbishness was genuine. As the game progressed, he started pouring it on to gain sympathy and avert suspicion. I tried to reinforce this as best I could by saying that he was "too tactless to be scum" in my opening assessment of him. Tuatha was acting very much the newbie lurker scum type, and I was a little worried when Lord rahl declared he intended to hold me accountable for it. I decided to go for the conciliatory strategy, saying that I would accept responsibility for all her actions, while saying that they weren't scummy (even though they were, IMO.) Diggy isn't really a newb at mafia... I have no idea why he chose to lurk the whole game and jump on EVERY... SINGLE... BANDWAGON. I cannot believe he survived three days.
Eh, I think there were enough scummy townsfolk in this game as it was. The fact that you kept yourself out of the mud for the first two days was one of the reasons we had to NK you, despite the fact that we knew you probably weren't the doc. There's no shame in getting NK'ed as vanilla town, it buys the power roles more time. If you'd played scummier, you might have been forced to claim, which would have been great for us because it would have narrowed down the doc to Athos and Mosschop.
Arim: Way to tell the nightkill subject that he's being nightkilled
In my own defense, I honestly didn't realize that we get a night kill when I complained that the game favors the town..I missed that in my initial read of the first post. Also, nothing that I asked/didn't know was in any of my PMs.
I almost counter-claimed as the cop, and I think my role would have been believable for it since I 'know everything'...but I checked and found out that Kokusho's role and alignment would be revealed when/if he got lynched, so, I didn't obviously.
Or not.
@Hooga: In the actual PM I sent Kijin for our actions that night, I requested to drown you in Carl's swimming pool. I guess Kijin vetoed that decision.
PS: I did in fact reread the entire thread when I replaced. However, all the times after that, I was just lodging complaints.
I would still probably give town MVP to either you or Mosschop. You had a better handle on who stood where than you gave yourself credit for. Apart from your misjudging people on day 1 (which half the town does anyway), the town would have done well to listen to you a bit more. Particularly your suggestion about not voting. Cough Cough.
"I know nothing of the law, only vengence" -Dom, U/G madness
IDK about other people, but these posts scream scum at me. Especially Cyan's (but that's probably because it was talking about me). arimnaes's is more an error of omission - the logical next step there would be to have the doc claim.
edit: not to mention koko you tried investigating a townie who was NKed. I thought I played better than that :/
Oh and while I'm thinking about it, I was considering Kops's plan/choice of who was scum. The main problem I had about it was it implied Mosschop was scum by process of elimination. Which I couldn't accept. So I decided to ignore it. Sorry Kops.
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At first I thought it was too risky, because without daytalk we couldn't coordinate a simulpost or anything. I immediately smacked myself for espousing the nonvoting policy in my previous post, because that made it impossible for me to vote rahl while maintaining consistency.
For a while I was refreshing the thread every 30 seconds or so in the hopes that Athos would log off, making it completely safe for Cyan (who I assume was doing the same thing, waiting) to vote him so that I could finish him off. I was really, really paranoid though, because we hadn't had a vote count that showed Kijin had counted diggy's vote and Rahl's vote for himself.
When Cyan voted and said "That's three votes... hint hint", I knew I had to go for it. Imagine how alarmed I was when we went to night again, rather than endgame. I was thinking, "OMG there must be a sleeper or a switcher or something weird because we just lynched the vig but we're STILL HERE."
Hence why I made sure to save my "ha ha" post until after it was confirmed that the game was over.
Setup was pretty good too. I'm a bit miffed at Diggy's role+name though... its such a clean claim...
oh and as for drowing me, my character I'm a blob who posesses other people, a bit difficult to drown a blob... still, better than shotgunning me lol
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Really? What did he say? "Uh... that guy's an idiot. Just sit down and wait to be nightkilled, and everything will be fine."
As far as the lynch scene, I think there was confusion as far as what the mafia WC was supposed to be. I PM'ed Kijin to ask, and he said that he'd made it "Eliminate the townies", rather than "Gain a majority in the town", which is the standard one. Of course, once Rahl was dead, systematically eliminating the townies would be a formality, as the mafia would have a majority in town and thus control the lynch, or at least prevent the town from lynching at all.
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And yeah, after Lord Rahl voted himself(still WTFing that one), it kind of sucks, Rahl knew he was town..so essentially he scooped the game..for the entire town..I was looking forward to helping convince some random person(most likely Kokusho) to vote Athos so we could pile on him.And then, I saw that Arim was viewing the thread, I knew that I'd just have to throw my vote on the pile and hope he'd read the thread afterwards before logging off. Athos was lurking too, which was weird...but didn't matter.
...wait, what happened here?
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=1012715&postcount=559
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I can't believe Ignignokt and Err weren't in this.:mad:
It would eventually, with mob domination/equality and the vig dead, get to the point where you could just daykill whoever the doc was. Each one could be like, "LOL I AM IN THE MAFIA. I VOTE YOU, DOC!" and he couldn't do a thing about it.
As for my modding... meh, I'm new and a lot of my decisions had to be made on my feet. I was worried about giving away "too much" information while answering questions. The early stuff with deliverance and athos (athos was a good guy, he just thought I was trolling him or something when I wasn't) in the beginning was not an auspiscious start to the game. I think I handled deliverance ok, in the end... at least I hope I did. It was my first time and the game didn't collapse in on itself... so that's cool at least.
I'm really sad about the town's playstyle. Day 1 was filled with the mod bandwaggoning off eachother... and when Kokusho randomy asserted that diggy was mafia, I thought I had another tuatha situation on my hands for a second.
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ahahah thank god I can edit my posts now..having to double post drove me nuts. Are you going to assign town/mafia/ MVPs etc, Kijin?
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This is only if we're sure that there's no more protection roles, of course.
EDIT: Just in case anybody didn't get that. It was a joke. I won't actually do that. But if I'm modding, and I know the player can't be saved or contact anybody, I might do that once or twice for fun. They still won't know who the scum are, anyway, they'll just know that they're dead before everybody else.
"I know nothing of the law, only vengence" -Dom, U/G madness
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or do you mean day 3? Mosschop Athos Arimnaes Cyan and among those 3 mafia and a doc?
I'm missing someting
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