Well according to you Paranoid investigating you turns you up as non-town. I don't myself know if cops usually get scum/neutral/town or just town/non-town, so anybody with past experience is welcome to answer this.
There seems to be a number of special abilities in this game. It wouldn't surprise me, therefore, if there are as many as 4 mafia in this game. If that's so, and with JC dead and Bertrand behind bars, we'll need every townie to lynch a scum. (Unless a scum or two jump ship to try to look townish.) So to our non-voters: if you're town and think Paranoid is scum, we're going to need your vote to put him away.
I do indeed have a non-standard win condition. If I need to reveal more, I can I suppose, but I'd rather not. As for Paranoid, I don't like his claim, and I think he's possible SK, if not mafia. If nobody objects when I check this in about 3 hours, I'll cast the lynching vote on Paranoid.
Why did you say this??? We didn't need to know! You still win with the town, right?
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"Is it really you, daddy?" Clara looks deep into Paranoid's eyes, trying to decide if he is who he says he is.
He replies, "Of course it is, pumpkin! How could you doubt me? I love you!"
Clara's face goes blank. "He's lying. Lynch him."
"What?! No, I promise I'm telling the truth!" he protests.
"Stabby forky pokey promise?" Treigit asks as he jabs a fork into paranoid's eye. Instead of blood squirting out, though, his eye shatters like glass as sparks fly out. The large body of the King falls to the ground, instantly motionless.
"Hey, what's that on his ear?" LJustus touches what appears to be a small metallic button. The King's face opens like a door with a hinge at his ear. Inside, paranoid's true self sits, surounded by screens and buttons. She reaches up, looking very weak, and speaks slowly.
"The galaxy...is on...orion's...belt...."
"Huh?"
"Oh wait," she corrects herself, "I mean...Must...kill...Wooldoor Sockbat.... Must...make...yummy snacks..."
She then falls limp.
Paranoid - Strawberry Sweetcake has been lynched. It is now Night 1. Choices will be due in 96 hours from the time of this post.
Yeah, there were a couple things in there that shouldn't have been in a "bah" post. However, I didn't see the post until it had been up for a while, so having it deleted/editted would only make the problem worse, as some people would have info that others didn't. Either way, it's not all that relevant anyway.
In the future, Paranoid, you generally shouldn't talk about what your role was or what your intentions were in a "bah" post.
Any more questions/concerns should be PMed to me. No more posting at night.
In a city such as ours, luck plays a major part in differentiating the winners from the losers.
Example of a lucky guy : CropCircles, who is the mod and thus can't possibly be killed Night 1, and is liable to hold grudges for a very long time.
Example of an unlucky guy : AlphaInsidious, who totally blew up in a car.
Another example of an unlucky guy(or rather, unlucky pig): Xyre, whose head, now swarming with flies, can be found on the end of a wooden spear in the front yard. It looks like he won't be joining us for the reunion special.
"Fancy thinking Xyre was someone you could hunt and kill! Oh crap, I was..."
In completely unrelated news, someone seems to have tried to make fillet o' swine.
Xyre - Spanky Ham, Internet Download has been killed. It is now Day 2. With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch. Play mafia!
Okay, time for the patented arimnaes morning review session! This is going to be a sort of stream-of-consciousness thing, so forgive me if I jump around a bit.
1 Nightkill means either there's only one anti-town group or we have a crackshot doc or roleblocker.
We have 3 dead:
(1) jcsuperstar (Xandir, town) who might be coming back to life, or might just be dead for good. Whether or not someone dies in a similar fashion today should tell us whether we have a daykiller or not. If so, they're likely the SK. If nobody dies during the day from now on and jc stays dead, then we probably assume that his death was triggered by a mechanic rather than by another player's decision.
(2) Paranoid (Strawberry Sweetcake, neutral), who was apparently a Bounty Hunter type role, whose WC is to survive to endgame and have another specific character die. In this case, that character is Wooldor Sockbat, who we can therefore assume is in the game. My one question would be whether Paranoid had any actual killing abilities, though I guess it's a moot point now.
(3) Xyre (Spanky Ham, town) about whom we have very little information. Hopefully he didn't have any power. So we probably start today by looking at who Xyre was suspicious of, and who else acted suspicious in general yesterday.
We also need to consider what the setup is likely to be, based on the characters we've seen so far. We have yet to see any off show characters, which suggests that the roles are probably the 8 core characters and 4 lesser ones. I have a few ideas about the scum roles, but I need to do some more wikipedia research. I'll revisit this later.
It's annoying that Paranoid was neutral. That gives us the least information to go off of based on who jumped on/stayed off his wagon.
We have bertrand as likely town due to his restriction (don't random vote today, mmmkay?). As I recall, RA said he has other role names in his PM and Machin Shin said he has a non-standard win condition. So... that's about all we have to go on right now.
My top suspect right now is LJ, because of the way he was playing on day 1. Tossing out cryptic comments and short, noncommital posts is the ideal way to lurk without looking like you're lurking. He fosed paranoid when he already had three votes and declared support for the lynch, but never voted. Scum trying to drive the wagon without leaving a voting record, much? Something to keep in mind, anyway. FoS LJustus, for now.
Since CC doesn't seem to want to share any info w/ us, here's what I can say. Paranoid appears to have spoken the truth. The win conditions today break down as such: 5,3,1,1. The extra WC remains, so I guess it wasn't Paranoid.
In other news the front page has JC w/ the rest of the town. Is this right? JC, do you have any idea what happened?
It seems to me he died at (random?) moments during the day and then comes back to life the next day.
Isn't that EXACTLY what happenes in the show? He dies (like yesterday), and then in another random scene he's alive again for some reason (like he's alive this morning). Any opinions on this theory?
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Gadzooks! I bet I know how his role works. A set number of (real life) days or posts into a day, he dies. But he always comes back to life the next day. Nice one, CC, it's really pretty true to the show. So, I guess he's confirmed town. And, most likely, the only way he can really die is to get endgamed.
Tleigit, do you have the actual win conditions or do you just have a list that says, 5 townie, 3 mafia, and 2 different other WC's?
JC Died 5 days, 10 hours and 14 minutes after the game started. I don't see any kind of pattern or singificant number there.. anyone want to count his posts until he died?
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I think he posted 13 times. Unlucky number 13? Maybe. I guess he can clarify it for us, seeing as he's now basically confirmed.
I just had a thought. Didn't jc say something bad would happen to him if he was voting for somebody other than the lynch? Maybe doing so causes him to lose his regeneration.
Wow. JC has alot of stuff tacked onto him. Do we know if he was listed on the alive list when the game went to night? Let's home not for then we have an un nightkillable. Of coarse it also narrows where to find power which would bad. Meh, let us see what JC has to say.
Mmm, not much to asy, erally waiting for what JC has to say
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Good to see JC back and kickin. And as a confirmed townie at that! Should help narrow down the search for scum a notch.
I'm a little surprised that Spanky turned out to be town. Of the 8 main characters in the show, he seemed to be the scummiest.
The two confirmed town players were main characters. The one non-main character we know about was neutral. If Spanky was town, perhaps all eight main characters are town?
Xyre didn't leave many footprints behind him. I'm guessing that's why he was targeted. His death doesn't leave alot of information for us to use. But regardless, let's see if there's something to find.
I've got a killer week ahead of me with work and other obligations. I'll do my best to keep up. Hopefully you won't notice a drop off on my part.
My numbers don't seem to count JC (add up to 10 today, but 13 yesterday) that suggests that he came back this morning.
The 13 post thing seems to be a pretty good guess, I'd suggest that JC try to keep under 13 during the day, but use the remaining posts after we reach a majority to be night immune.
Well, it's a great day to be alive. Sorry I couldn't post sooner today. So you guys were pretty much right in your guesses. As a video game character, I have many extra lives, so if I die I come back the following morning.
Also, it seems I was wrong yesterday. Here's what happened: My role PM contained a line like this:
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Caution! You are emotionally unstable. If things don't go how you want them to, you may get very upset and do something dumb!
So I was thinking, what could CC mean by this? There must be some game-based trigger that things are not going the way I want. Since the only concrete day actions in a mafia game are votes, it must have something to do with votes. That's how I came up with the idea that, if the majority of the town voted differently than the way I was voting, something bad would happen.
However, night 1, I got another PM which made it clear that my suicide was tied into the length of the day. In other words, arimanes' guess was completely correct. So much so that I wonder if he has any role-based information...
I count at least four specific possibilities as to what the trigger is:
1. Number of my posts (people said 13). This seems possible, but not in the spirit of the PM I got from Crop.
2. Real-life length of day. I also doubt this because I've never seen a mafia host tie anything into real life.
3. Total number of posts in the game day.
4. Number of posts PER PLAYER in the game day. This would make me like the fake role RafaelK claimed in High School Mafia. He claimed that there was a certain number that gets multiplied by the number of players. If the number of posts in a day exceeded that product, Raf would die. Of course, Raf was lying, but I think CC may have been inspired by his false claim. Chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken.
I do not want my role to be used as an excuse for speed-lynching. Unless having my vote count is absolutely essential, I would much rather have the town engage in thoughtful discussion than try to rush a lynch on my account. The two thingsI ask are that people refrain from spam, and try to consolidate their thoughts into long posts instead of spreading them out.
I'll post again later with my thoughts on information gained from last night, potential suspects, etc.
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I just did some math. We know the suicide was soon after my 13th post. But it was also right after the game's 168th post. 14*12 = 168. Let's say we take out CC's mod-posts, which numbered 10 at that point. Then the players had made a total of 158 posts. 13*12 =
156. So the AVERAGE POSTS PER PLAYER had just gone above 13. Let's keep that in mind. Again, no rushed lynches on my account.
Two other items:
1. I think it would help if Machin Shin clarified whether he has the town win condition plus an alternate, or is just neutral.
2. After reading back day 1, I'm still not happy with arimnaes. Fos'es Treigit, then votes him after two votes go on him, then unvotes after the other two have unvoted. I'll maintain my FOS: arimnaes. Ximbad also seems a little scummy, but that's nothing new.
In other words, arimanes' guess was completely correct. So much so that I wonder if he has any role-based information...
No, I'm just that good.
Actually, it was an educated guess based on the fact that you came back to life, and based on Xandir's character in the show. At least we can now probably discount the possibility of a daykiller.
If your theory about the number of posts is correct, jc, then you'd die after 130 posts today. If you commit suicide again today, then we should be able to figure out exactly when and why it happens. We should try to limit the number of low-content posts in future, so that jc can live as long as possible each day.
In regards to the fos... meh. Wagoning in the early game is a more acceptable information gathering tactic on mafiascum, I guess I picked up the habit. It was also partially a response to this:
I don't have much to say now, and I'll be pretty busy next week so please excuse the lurking for now.
Just one question JC, does your death affect the number of votes needed for lynch? It might be important endgame so that we don't lose when you die and suddenly we have a lynch on someone or some similar situation.
I do indeed have the town win condition, plus an extra part. I'd rather not reveal what that extra part is, but to save time, it doesn't involve me killing specific people or anything like that.
I think JC's role is definitely very useful to the town. In fact, we might want to brainstorm situations where we actually want him to suicide so we know he'll come back in the morning. Obviously if we reach lynch or lose we wouldn't like that, but I'm sure there are possible uses.
At this point, Treigit's info is indeed useful, but it will certainly become more useful later. I don't remember, but did anybody other than me and Paranoid claim a non-standard WC yesterday? Also, maybe I'm just confused, but was Paranoid in fact mafia? His name is a different color than Xyre, but I wasn't clear on whether he was mafia or just neutral or something.
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Thanks for clarifying, machin shin. So you account for the double WC in Treigit's numbers, meaning we have one neutral left and 3 mafia.
A quick history of Treigit's role: to my knowledge, a role like his has only been used twice before in online mafia. The first was in Random 1, where Turbo was The Cheat, a neutral. He started off with a list of the numbers of win conditions, but no WC of his own. He later earned a WC. The second time was in High School, where Crippled_Fist was the Bookie, a townie, who got a list of the win conditions every day.
All that is to say that Treigit is, in all probability, either townie or neutral. The ability doesn't really make sense on a mafia. This puts *slightly* more suspicion on those who attacked him day 1, but also keep in mind that Treigit kinda deserved it.
Treigit, can you claim whether or not you are the remaining neutral? I'd like to establish whether the last neutral is anti-town or truly neutral.
@MMoD: Yes, my death would change the vote totals needed for a majority. So if there were an odd number of players alive, and we were one vote away from lynch, and I wasn't on the lynch wagon, then my death would end the day. An unlikely scenario, but something to keep in mind.
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I'm not the remaining neutrar, I don't know who is. I doubt they're anti-town though as we had a bounty hunter/sk in Paranoid, and a game of this size won't support 2.
I doesn't seem that anyone is coming forward with any other info from the night, so I guess we need to start forrowing up on what happened yesterday. Of those, I think the most conspicuous was Arimnaes's vote timing on me.
The others that have been raised were Justus and Ximbad. Justus for FoSing Paranoid but not voting him. (Though had he voted for him I'd (and others) have been in the same situation.) He arso voted for me, which he said was to watch the bandwagon form (either reason seems decent at that point in the day). Note that it is Arimnaes raising this suspicion.
Ximbad for seeming scummy (which may not be extraordinary) according to JC. JC, can you give us something more concrete?
EBWODP: Oh yeah vote Arimnaes until something better comes up.
My top suspect right now is LJ, because of the way he was playing on day 1. Tossing out cryptic comments and short, noncommital posts is the ideal way to lurk without looking like you're lurking. He fosed paranoid when he already had three votes and declared support for the lynch, but never voted. Scum trying to drive the wagon without leaving a voting record, much? Something to keep in mind, anyway. FoS LJustus, for now.
Day is usually a crap shoot. As such, I don’t think that it’s exceptionally unusual or scummy to post small posts on the first day. There’s not a lot of information to go on. I could pretty much expand on ideas, but it wouldn’t do any good as ideas 1. are few with such little information and 2. are generally wrong with such limited information.
As far as my FoS on Paranoid, I think I was pretty clear in my reasoning. I wanted to give everyone a chance to discuss before he was lynched. In a game with this few players, a lynch is a testy proposition – even on day one. I would have hated it if we were all wrong about Paranoid and my vote (which would have been number 4) allowed a quick lynch of non-scum. Luckily, we were right about Paranoid.
Also, please note that the vast majority of my posts occur roughly during the same 9 hour stretch of each weekday (Central time – US). I simply wanted to allow for some more discussion and left work before I was completely comfortable changing my FoS to a vote.
Re: jcsuperstar – I don’t really think that any effort we spend trying to figure out exactly why jc committed suicide yesterday is worth it. If it is based on postcount (which I personally doubt), any discussion we have about it simply hastens jc’s suicide.
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Do we know if he was listed on the alive list when the game went to night? Let's home not for then we have an un nightkillable. Of coarse it also narrows where to find power which would bad.
Huh? So, if JC was on the list when we went to night, we have an un-nightkillable? I don’t really see the relationship. Can you explain the reasoning behind this? The last sentence here really makes no sense to me.
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After reading back day 1, I'm still not happy with arimnaes. Fos'es Treigit, then votes him after two votes go on him, then unvotes after the other two have unvoted. I'll maintain my FOS: arimnaes. Ximbad also seems a little scummy, but that's nothing new.
I would concur, but that might be construed as an OMGUS FoS. Seriously, I’ll have to go back and reread the day.
Funny, though, that arimnaes posted the very next post and didn’t even address this at all.
Huh? So, if JC was on the list when we went to night, we have an un-nightkillable? I don’t really see the relationship. Can you explain the reasoning behind this? The last sentence here really makes no sense to me.
SG means that if JC is listed dead during the night and doesn’t pop up again until morning, then he’s technically un-nightkillable.
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After reading back day 1, I'm still not happy with arimnaes. Fos'es Treigit, then votes him after two votes go on him, then unvotes after the other two have unvoted. I'll maintain my FOS: arimnaes. Ximbad also seems a little scummy, but that's nothing new.
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Funny, though, that arimnaes posted the very next post and didn’t even address this at all.
Actually, I clearly did.
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In regards to the fos... meh. Wagoning in the early game is a more acceptable information gathering tactic on mafiascum, I guess I picked up the habit. It was also partially a response to this:
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Reading is tech, LJ. Now, I want to discuss some problems that I have with you:
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Day is usually a crap shoot. As such, I don’t think that it’s exceptionally unusual or scummy to post small posts on the first day. There’s not a lot of information to go on. I could pretty much expand on ideas, but it wouldn’t do any good as ideas 1. are few with such little information and 2. are generally wrong with such limited information.
So, is this your excuse for lurking or something? You made 10 posts during day 1. These posts were:
#28, Misunderstanding bertrand’s restriction #32, Thanking MS for clarifying bert’s restriction #35, Saying you have an idea, but not what it is #42, Saying you don’t want to elaborate on your idea #47, Telling jc that you’re not going to tell the town your idea #72, Joke post #104 Jumping on the Treigit wagon (the same wagon you think I’m suspicious for) by use of someone else’s reasoning #132, Unvoting and saying that you hoped one more person would jump on the wagon #198, fosing paranoid #213, Saying paranoid’s claim is bad
I understand that you like to do your Spreadsheet of Doom, but I don’t see how that gives you an excuse to make cryptic posts telling us you have ideas and won’t share them. What if you get killed before you’re finally ready to share something with us on day 4? Or what if you’re scum trying to use your posting style as an excuse to lurk until day 4? That’s one reason why I’m suspicious of you. The other is this post in particular:
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I believe that my vote has served its purpose. I was hoping that maybe one more person would join the "wagon" so we would have a real suspect. I guess I'll have to take a look at what Machin SIn has done so far in the game. . .
One would think that a suspect is someone who looks suspicious. Why does it matter how many votes he has? If he looks suspicious, then say so. If he doesn’t, why did you jump on his wagon? And then you throw suspicion at MS while once again leaving us in the dark as to why?
I’m simply not comfortable with someone withholding so much from the town. Hence why I fosed you and will maintain my fos until you give some better reason than “ideas are often wrong on day 1.”
I may just be barning him because he's "good", but most of Justus's points make sense. If you think the ideas I put forward on day one are weird, that's nothing compared to the ones I keep private the whore game. There's a number of reasons to do this (egs are from French, ask if you need specifics): you're hoping to catch scum (such as my guarantee to catch scum if CF courd protect me in the night) you don't have enough evidence to make a case yet (vote histories are of next to no use prior to day 3 or so), you need to reread before you're sure (I thought Hvir had a AWC of pronouncing a different townie innocent each day), or of course one can be scum.
From your scan of his posts the onry one that seems bad to me is:
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#104 Jumping on the Treigit wagon (the same wagon you think I’m suspicious for) by use of someone else’s reasoning
I need to read this post to see what I think, however he gives a reason in 132
I believe that my vote has served its purpose. I was hoping that maybe one more person would join the "wagon" so we would have a real suspect. I guess I'll have to take a look at what Machin SIn has done so far in the game. . .
the suspect in question is not me but whoever puts the fourth vote on me, (I thought third vote was the "bad" one?) obv. I need to go back, but I think that MS was under suspicion at that point any way. Bear in mind that this is a good justification for scum going on a wagon too, so he's by no means crear. However, at this point I see him as just a bit more scummy than average, and a good amount ress so than you.
I believe that my vote has served its purpose. I was hoping that maybe one more person would join the "wagon" so we would have a real suspect. I guess I'll have to take a look at what Machin SIn has done so far in the game. . .
the suspect in question is not me but whoever puts the fourth vote on me, (I thought third vote was the "bad" one?) obv. I need to go back, but I think that MS was under suspicion at that point any way. Bear in mind that this is a good justification for scum going on a wagon too, so he's by no means crear. However, at this point I see him as just a bit more scummy than average, and a good amount ress so than you.
Oh, my bad. I thought he was saying that you weren't a suspect until you had 4 votes on you. I still don't like his semi-submarine play style, though. Maybe it means he's a good player rather than that he's scummy, but I don't like it. He's the most suspicious person to me right now, is all.
BTW, you can probably stop doing that thing now, unless it's a posting restriction instead of what I think it is.
I may be wrong but I am pretty sure I see it. Look closely bertrand.
And you are sure you are town, Treigit? The town just wants to gain information, we will not lynch you if you are the other nuetral. You are more valueable alive.
I believe he left some clues regarding his character identity from Drawn Together. And since it doesn't seem to be a posting restriction, ( he's stopping it, after all) I wonder why he would leave the hints. If it's misinformation, that would be pretty scummy.
Cleared:
10. JC - obv
3. Treigit - has list of win conditions, which is not a mafia ability. Also possibly has a posting restriction?
6. Machin Shin - No one has counter-claimed him on having the extra win condition. Theoretically, he could be mafia with an AWC, but that seems unlikely.
Parially Cleared:
1. bertrand - Can't unvote. Says his role "isn't very good"
2. RandomActs - was a little overeager in pushing Treigit's wagon, while not joining it himself. Argued that miscounting votes was a scum tell. His role "assignment" mentions other roles by name, which partially clears him.
Not Cleared:
4. Ximbad - Defended Treigit and Bertrand day 1. First vote on paranoid
5. MMoD - Didn't take any strong stands, really.
7. SorryGuy - was interested in testing people's votes day 1. Didn't do much else.
8. arimnaes- third vote on and off Treigit wagon. Is currently at odds with LJ.
9. LJustus- second vote on and off Treigit wagon, otherwise didn't contribute much day 1. (I don't hold his FOS on paranoid against him; it made perfect sense.)
I'm not really analyzing the Paranoid wagon much, because he was so obviously scum.
Upon rereading, I don't see Ximbad as particularly scummy anymore. I'd say arimnaes and LJ are my top two suspects, but I'm not ready to vote either of them.
Also, if the remaining neutral is not particularly anti-town, it would be a good time to come forward. It would eliminate one more mafia suspect.
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JC, I think you're too generous on your "cleared" list. Even your "partially cleared" takes some leaps of faith. In my mind, the only ones truly cleared are you and me, and me only because I know my alignment. How can we say Treigit's list clears him? Not a scum ability? Why not? There are no standard roles in this game, not even mafia, I presume. And although I have a good feel about Machin Shin, the AWC could possibly belong to scum, as you said yourself.
I'm working with my own internal GG list, which is very fluid and too intuitive to make sense to others. Until I get more solid information though, I'll keep it too myself. But I think it's unwise to give passes to folks who, in my mind, have yet to earn them.
jc: I have most people pegged the same as you, apart from having myself cleared, of course.
Has MS claimed townie with AWC, or just AWC? I say this because we still have a neutral unaccounted for. I don't know about MS, but I agree that Treigit, if he's telling the truth, is probably not mafia. Could there possibly be an SK in here? There was one in the French Mafia mini, but on the other hand, we only had one nightkill last night.
@RA: The reason Treigit is unlikely to be mafia with this ability is that the mafia already know how many mafia there are. They don't really care about the breakdown between townies and neutrals, because their goal is simply to get a majority of all players.
@SorryGuy- Quite sure, except if CC is even more of a bastard than we think.
@RandomActs- It can be stopped by avoiding situations where it becomes apparent. However, given that you, Arimnaes, and JC seem to have noticed it, who's to say the scum (even if none of you are scum) haven't either. What do you guys think? Worth akward sentence structures to keep the chance of a counter?
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Vote Paranoid.
Why did you say this??? We didn't need to know! You still win with the town, right?
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LJustus, Xyre, SorryGuy
"Is it really you, daddy?" Clara looks deep into Paranoid's eyes, trying to decide if he is who he says he is.
He replies, "Of course it is, pumpkin! How could you doubt me? I love you!"
Clara's face goes blank. "He's lying. Lynch him."
"What?! No, I promise I'm telling the truth!" he protests.
"Stabby forky pokey promise?" Treigit asks as he jabs a fork into paranoid's eye. Instead of blood squirting out, though, his eye shatters like glass as sparks fly out. The large body of the King falls to the ground, instantly motionless.
"Hey, what's that on his ear?" LJustus touches what appears to be a small metallic button. The King's face opens like a door with a hinge at his ear. Inside, paranoid's true self sits, surounded by screens and buttons. She reaches up, looking very weak, and speaks slowly.
"The galaxy...is on...orion's...belt...."
"Huh?"
"Oh wait," she corrects herself, "I mean...Must...kill...Wooldoor Sockbat.... Must...make...yummy snacks..."
She then falls limp.
Paranoid - Strawberry Sweetcake has been lynched. It is now Night 1. Choices will be due in 96 hours from the time of this post.
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Isn't that kinda game-related?
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In the future, Paranoid, you generally shouldn't talk about what your role was or what your intentions were in a "bah" post.
Any more questions/concerns should be PMed to me. No more posting at night.
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Example of a lucky guy : CropCircles, who is the mod and thus can't possibly be killed Night 1, and is liable to hold grudges for a very long time.
Example of an unlucky guy : AlphaInsidious, who totally blew up in a car.
Another example of an unlucky guy(or rather, unlucky pig): Xyre, whose head, now swarming with flies, can be found on the end of a wooden spear in the front yard. It looks like he won't be joining us for the reunion special.
"Fancy thinking Xyre was someone you could hunt and kill! Oh crap, I was..."
In completely unrelated news, someone seems to have tried to make fillet o' swine.
Xyre - Spanky Ham, Internet Download has been killed. It is now Day 2. With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch. Play mafia!
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Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
[The Family]
I'm going to stop talking now.
Experiments Series: #5 (Courtly Intrigue Mafia) | #4 (Drunken Tracker) | #3 (Big Red Button) - coming soon | #2 (Pope Mafia) | #1 (Iso's Inflammable Mafia)
Mini Games: MTGS Mafia Redux II (Invitational, Evil Mirror Universe) | Unreal City
Old Games (bad): The Greenwood Affair | Blood Moon Mafia
I can't really say how bad it is as we don't know what he was..
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1 Nightkill means either there's only one anti-town group or we have a crackshot doc or roleblocker.
We have 3 dead:
(1) jcsuperstar (Xandir, town) who might be coming back to life, or might just be dead for good. Whether or not someone dies in a similar fashion today should tell us whether we have a daykiller or not. If so, they're likely the SK. If nobody dies during the day from now on and jc stays dead, then we probably assume that his death was triggered by a mechanic rather than by another player's decision.
(2) Paranoid (Strawberry Sweetcake, neutral), who was apparently a Bounty Hunter type role, whose WC is to survive to endgame and have another specific character die. In this case, that character is Wooldor Sockbat, who we can therefore assume is in the game. My one question would be whether Paranoid had any actual killing abilities, though I guess it's a moot point now.
(3) Xyre (Spanky Ham, town) about whom we have very little information. Hopefully he didn't have any power. So we probably start today by looking at who Xyre was suspicious of, and who else acted suspicious in general yesterday.
We also need to consider what the setup is likely to be, based on the characters we've seen so far. We have yet to see any off show characters, which suggests that the roles are probably the 8 core characters and 4 lesser ones. I have a few ideas about the scum roles, but I need to do some more wikipedia research. I'll revisit this later.
It's annoying that Paranoid was neutral. That gives us the least information to go off of based on who jumped on/stayed off his wagon.
We have bertrand as likely town due to his restriction (don't random vote today, mmmkay?). As I recall, RA said he has other role names in his PM and Machin Shin said he has a non-standard win condition. So... that's about all we have to go on right now.
My top suspect right now is LJ, because of the way he was playing on day 1. Tossing out cryptic comments and short, noncommital posts is the ideal way to lurk without looking like you're lurking. He fosed paranoid when he already had three votes and declared support for the lynch, but never voted. Scum trying to drive the wagon without leaving a voting record, much? Something to keep in mind, anyway. FoS LJustus, for now.
Let's hear some discussion!
In other news the front page has JC w/ the rest of the town. Is this right? JC, do you have any idea what happened?
Isn't that EXACTLY what happenes in the show? He dies (like yesterday), and then in another random scene he's alive again for some reason (like he's alive this morning). Any opinions on this theory?
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Gadzooks! I bet I know how his role works. A set number of (real life) days or posts into a day, he dies. But he always comes back to life the next day. Nice one, CC, it's really pretty true to the show. So, I guess he's confirmed town. And, most likely, the only way he can really die is to get endgamed.
Tleigit, do you have the actual win conditions or do you just have a list that says, 5 townie, 3 mafia, and 2 different other WC's?
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I just had a thought. Didn't jc say something bad would happen to him if he was voting for somebody other than the lynch? Maybe doing so causes him to lose his regeneration.
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I suppose we should just wait for jc to show up. He can fill us in on however much he thinks it's good to tell us.
The 13 post thing seems to be a pretty good guess, I'd suggest that JC try to keep under 13 during the day, but use the remaining posts after we reach a majority to be night immune.
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That is not the sort of mistake CC would make, atleast I do not think so.
@RandomActs: I doubt all the main charecters are town. It would make a mass claim pretty easy.
(Hi, Dr. Nick!)
Well, it's a great day to be alive. Sorry I couldn't post sooner today. So you guys were pretty much right in your guesses. As a video game character, I have many extra lives, so if I die I come back the following morning.
Also, it seems I was wrong yesterday. Here's what happened: My role PM contained a line like this:
So I was thinking, what could CC mean by this? There must be some game-based trigger that things are not going the way I want. Since the only concrete day actions in a mafia game are votes, it must have something to do with votes. That's how I came up with the idea that, if the majority of the town voted differently than the way I was voting, something bad would happen.
However, night 1, I got another PM which made it clear that my suicide was tied into the length of the day. In other words, arimanes' guess was completely correct. So much so that I wonder if he has any role-based information...
I count at least four specific possibilities as to what the trigger is:
1. Number of my posts (people said 13). This seems possible, but not in the spirit of the PM I got from Crop.
2. Real-life length of day. I also doubt this because I've never seen a mafia host tie anything into real life.
3. Total number of posts in the game day.
4. Number of posts PER PLAYER in the game day. This would make me like the fake role RafaelK claimed in High School Mafia. He claimed that there was a certain number that gets multiplied by the number of players. If the number of posts in a day exceeded that product, Raf would die. Of course, Raf was lying, but I think CC may have been inspired by his false claim. Chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken.
I do not want my role to be used as an excuse for speed-lynching. Unless having my vote count is absolutely essential, I would much rather have the town engage in thoughtful discussion than try to rush a lynch on my account. The two thingsI ask are that people refrain from spam, and try to consolidate their thoughts into long posts instead of spreading them out.
I'll post again later with my thoughts on information gained from last night, potential suspects, etc.
Double Post While They Can Still Be Merged:
I just did some math. We know the suicide was soon after my 13th post. But it was also right after the game's 168th post. 14*12 = 168. Let's say we take out CC's mod-posts, which numbered 10 at that point. Then the players had made a total of 158 posts. 13*12 =
156. So the AVERAGE POSTS PER PLAYER had just gone above 13. Let's keep that in mind. Again, no rushed lynches on my account.
Two other items:
1. I think it would help if Machin Shin clarified whether he has the town win condition plus an alternate, or is just neutral.
2. After reading back day 1, I'm still not happy with arimnaes. Fos'es Treigit, then votes him after two votes go on him, then unvotes after the other two have unvoted. I'll maintain my FOS: arimnaes. Ximbad also seems a little scummy, but that's nothing new.
Sorry for triple-post; I hit enter by accident.
No, I'm just that good.
Actually, it was an educated guess based on the fact that you came back to life, and based on Xandir's character in the show. At least we can now probably discount the possibility of a daykiller.
If your theory about the number of posts is correct, jc, then you'd die after 130 posts today. If you commit suicide again today, then we should be able to figure out exactly when and why it happens. We should try to limit the number of low-content posts in future, so that jc can live as long as possible each day.
In regards to the fos... meh. Wagoning in the early game is a more acceptable information gathering tactic on mafiascum, I guess I picked up the habit. It was also partially a response to this:
Just one question JC, does your death affect the number of votes needed for lynch? It might be important endgame so that we don't lose when you die and suddenly we have a lynch on someone or some similar situation.
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I think JC's role is definitely very useful to the town. In fact, we might want to brainstorm situations where we actually want him to suicide so we know he'll come back in the morning. Obviously if we reach lynch or lose we wouldn't like that, but I'm sure there are possible uses.
At this point, Treigit's info is indeed useful, but it will certainly become more useful later. I don't remember, but did anybody other than me and Paranoid claim a non-standard WC yesterday? Also, maybe I'm just confused, but was Paranoid in fact mafia? His name is a different color than Xyre, but I wasn't clear on whether he was mafia or just neutral or something.
A quick history of Treigit's role: to my knowledge, a role like his has only been used twice before in online mafia. The first was in Random 1, where Turbo was The Cheat, a neutral. He started off with a list of the numbers of win conditions, but no WC of his own. He later earned a WC. The second time was in High School, where Crippled_Fist was the Bookie, a townie, who got a list of the win conditions every day.
All that is to say that Treigit is, in all probability, either townie or neutral. The ability doesn't really make sense on a mafia. This puts *slightly* more suspicion on those who attacked him day 1, but also keep in mind that Treigit kinda deserved it.
Treigit, can you claim whether or not you are the remaining neutral? I'd like to establish whether the last neutral is anti-town or truly neutral.
@MMoD: Yes, my death would change the vote totals needed for a majority. So if there were an odd number of players alive, and we were one vote away from lynch, and I wasn't on the lynch wagon, then my death would end the day. An unlikely scenario, but something to keep in mind.
I doesn't seem that anyone is coming forward with any other info from the night, so I guess we need to start forrowing up on what happened yesterday. Of those, I think the most conspicuous was Arimnaes's vote timing on me.
The others that have been raised were Justus and Ximbad. Justus for FoSing Paranoid but not voting him. (Though had he voted for him I'd (and others) have been in the same situation.) He arso voted for me, which he said was to watch the bandwagon form (either reason seems decent at that point in the day). Note that it is Arimnaes raising this suspicion.
Ximbad for seeming scummy (which may not be extraordinary) according to JC. JC, can you give us something more concrete?
EBWODP: Oh yeah vote Arimnaes until something better comes up.
Day is usually a crap shoot. As such, I don’t think that it’s exceptionally unusual or scummy to post small posts on the first day. There’s not a lot of information to go on. I could pretty much expand on ideas, but it wouldn’t do any good as ideas 1. are few with such little information and 2. are generally wrong with such limited information.
As far as my FoS on Paranoid, I think I was pretty clear in my reasoning. I wanted to give everyone a chance to discuss before he was lynched. In a game with this few players, a lynch is a testy proposition – even on day one. I would have hated it if we were all wrong about Paranoid and my vote (which would have been number 4) allowed a quick lynch of non-scum. Luckily, we were right about Paranoid.
Also, please note that the vast majority of my posts occur roughly during the same 9 hour stretch of each weekday (Central time – US). I simply wanted to allow for some more discussion and left work before I was completely comfortable changing my FoS to a vote.
Re: jcsuperstar – I don’t really think that any effort we spend trying to figure out exactly why jc committed suicide yesterday is worth it. If it is based on postcount (which I personally doubt), any discussion we have about it simply hastens jc’s suicide.
Huh? So, if JC was on the list when we went to night, we have an un-nightkillable? I don’t really see the relationship. Can you explain the reasoning behind this? The last sentence here really makes no sense to me.
I would concur, but that might be construed as an OMGUS FoS. Seriously, I’ll have to go back and reread the day.
Funny, though, that arimnaes posted the very next post and didn’t even address this at all.
That’s all I have for now kiddies.
SG means that if JC is listed dead during the night and doesn’t pop up again until morning, then he’s technically un-nightkillable.
Actually, I clearly did.
Reading is tech, LJ. Now, I want to discuss some problems that I have with you:
So, is this your excuse for lurking or something? You made 10 posts during day 1. These posts were:
#28, Misunderstanding bertrand’s restriction
#32, Thanking MS for clarifying bert’s restriction
#35, Saying you have an idea, but not what it is
#42, Saying you don’t want to elaborate on your idea
#47, Telling jc that you’re not going to tell the town your idea
#72, Joke post
#104 Jumping on the Treigit wagon (the same wagon you think I’m suspicious for) by use of someone else’s reasoning
#132, Unvoting and saying that you hoped one more person would jump on the wagon
#198, fosing paranoid
#213, Saying paranoid’s claim is bad
I understand that you like to do your Spreadsheet of Doom, but I don’t see how that gives you an excuse to make cryptic posts telling us you have ideas and won’t share them. What if you get killed before you’re finally ready to share something with us on day 4? Or what if you’re scum trying to use your posting style as an excuse to lurk until day 4? That’s one reason why I’m suspicious of you. The other is this post in particular:
One would think that a suspect is someone who looks suspicious. Why does it matter how many votes he has? If he looks suspicious, then say so. If he doesn’t, why did you jump on his wagon? And then you throw suspicion at MS while once again leaving us in the dark as to why?
I’m simply not comfortable with someone withholding so much from the town. Hence why I fosed you and will maintain my fos until you give some better reason than “ideas are often wrong on day 1.”
From your scan of his posts the onry one that seems bad to me is: I need to read this post to see what I think, however he gives a reason in 132 the suspect in question is not me but whoever puts the fourth vote on me, (I thought third vote was the "bad" one?) obv. I need to go back, but I think that MS was under suspicion at that point any way. Bear in mind that this is a good justification for scum going on a wagon too, so he's by no means crear. However, at this point I see him as just a bit more scummy than average, and a good amount ress so than you.
Oh, my bad. I thought he was saying that you weren't a suspect until you had 4 votes on you. I still don't like his semi-submarine play style, though. Maybe it means he's a good player rather than that he's scummy, but I don't like it. He's the most suspicious person to me right now, is all.
BTW, you can probably stop doing that thing now, unless it's a posting restriction instead of what I think it is.
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Bert (and others), sorry for the confusion, it may make sense end game.
That. I'm wondering what he's referring to.
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arimnaes - (Treigit)
Not Voting
LJustus, SorryGuy, mystery meat of doom, RandomActs, Machin Shin, Ximbad, jcsuperstar, bertrand, arimnaes
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I may be wrong but I am pretty sure I see it. Look closely bertrand.
And you are sure you are town, Treigit? The town just wants to gain information, we will not lynch you if you are the other nuetral. You are more valueable alive.
I believe he left some clues regarding his character identity from Drawn Together. And since it doesn't seem to be a posting restriction, ( he's stopping it, after all) I wonder why he would leave the hints. If it's misinformation, that would be pretty scummy.
Cleared:
10. JC - obv
3. Treigit - has list of win conditions, which is not a mafia ability. Also possibly has a posting restriction?
6. Machin Shin - No one has counter-claimed him on having the extra win condition. Theoretically, he could be mafia with an AWC, but that seems unlikely.
Parially Cleared:
1. bertrand - Can't unvote. Says his role "isn't very good"
2. RandomActs - was a little overeager in pushing Treigit's wagon, while not joining it himself. Argued that miscounting votes was a scum tell. His role "assignment" mentions other roles by name, which partially clears him.
Not Cleared:
4. Ximbad - Defended Treigit and Bertrand day 1. First vote on paranoid
5. MMoD - Didn't take any strong stands, really.
7. SorryGuy - was interested in testing people's votes day 1. Didn't do much else.
8. arimnaes- third vote on and off Treigit wagon. Is currently at odds with LJ.
9. LJustus- second vote on and off Treigit wagon, otherwise didn't contribute much day 1. (I don't hold his FOS on paranoid against him; it made perfect sense.)
I'm not really analyzing the Paranoid wagon much, because he was so obviously scum.
Upon rereading, I don't see Ximbad as particularly scummy anymore. I'd say arimnaes and LJ are my top two suspects, but I'm not ready to vote either of them.
Also, if the remaining neutral is not particularly anti-town, it would be a good time to come forward. It would eliminate one more mafia suspect.
I'm working with my own internal GG list, which is very fluid and too intuitive to make sense to others. Until I get more solid information though, I'll keep it too myself. But I think it's unwise to give passes to folks who, in my mind, have yet to earn them.
Has MS claimed townie with AWC, or just AWC? I say this because we still have a neutral unaccounted for. I don't know about MS, but I agree that Treigit, if he's telling the truth, is probably not mafia. Could there possibly be an SK in here? There was one in the French Mafia mini, but on the other hand, we only had one nightkill last night.
@RA: The reason Treigit is unlikely to be mafia with this ability is that the mafia already know how many mafia there are. They don't really care about the breakdown between townies and neutrals, because their goal is simply to get a majority of all players.
@RandomActs- It can be stopped by avoiding situations where it becomes apparent. However, given that you, Arimnaes, and JC seem to have noticed it, who's to say the scum (even if none of you are scum) haven't either. What do you guys think? Worth akward sentence structures to keep the chance of a counter?