Hey we have info on three characters suggesting that two of them are town (I have no idea what is more common to have other names). How about we get rid of, or expose one of them!
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You all stare as jcsuperstar freaks out after taking a phone call.
"What the toot is wrong with you?" one of you asks.
"Last week, 'Ms.' Pac Man found out I was gay, and my girlfriend just broke up with me 'cause that big mouth tranny told her!"
You all fail to see the point of a gay guy having a girlfriend in the first place.
"What am I gonna do?"
"Well, if you kill yourself, you'll not only solve your own problems, but better society as well. That way, everyone's happy!" a more bigoted one of you responds.
At that, jcsuperstar raises his sword high above his head and shouts "Goodbye, cruel world!" Then, with one swift motion, he brings the blade right through his stomach. After falling over, his entire body blinks out of existence in true video game fashion.
Moral of the story: Never trust someone with contradicting gender pronouns in their name.
jcsuperstar - Xandir, Video Game Adventurer commit suicide Day 1.
Okay first of all WTF. Daykiller? Ms Pacman is a daykiller? If it's a day-vig doing the job, that was freaking stupid, but on the other hand with nightkills/lynches/day-killing SK, the town can't possibly survive that long.
This might also be part of JC's restriction, but we haven't gotten majority on anything yet.
And how do we know Toot and Clara are in the game?
Never seen the show. He commited suicide, but it seems like it was perpetrated (ooh nice word) by Ms. Pacman.
The thing is that those characters MIGHT be in the house, but they MIGHT not be actual players. Of course, I'm probably wrong as CC used alot of flavour relating to roles in scenes when we were in noob 4.
I'll state what I read your reasons as. Er, these are different then the mafia/townish haze, let's lynch 'em".
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So everyone else is more likely to be scum in your eyes? Fair enough What actions, besides mine, make the others more scummy, or them so much less? The only people who have shown behavior wich is slightly fickle are you, Treigit and myself. The rest seems pretty steady to me. Now why would your speculation be any better then mine?
There claims make little sence as a false claim from scum, and seems townish in nature. Hardly conclusive, but better then nothing.
You want everyone to stop looking at everyone else (AKA limit what they do), and look at three people who you say. But you don't give reason that the three people look like scum, or even scummy
Also note the OMGUS vote
That was a WTF kinda thing, meh. Dunno what we can do with that.
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I don't understand just yet why Xandir has to vote along with the majority though... But Xandir was a townie so we need not go any further.
Probably is. But we don't know for sure. Could easily be scum with the same restriction. Though he is most likely town.
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I'm not resigned to that. I'd rather not expose a townie. Of course, I'd be much happier if we found scum. What everybody seems to forget is that we likely have ways to ensure the safety of a townie if he's known. It is not necesarily a sacrifice! True, there is a risk but all the speculation of the world won't help you change that, it is just as risky! Facts are what both the town and, sadly, the mafia utilize to advance this game to hopefully win *and survive in the process*. At some point however the mafia is going to have to resort to lies wich would then more easily be pierced by our facts. By finding information we make the game this much harder for the mafia.
But if we have facts the mafia will have the same facts as us and they will plan around them. All this will do is out power roles.
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The three of you *now two* are the only ones who have given us information with which we might potentially do something.
Like what? What info would possibly want to gather from me? You want to figure out the rest of my role? That's both useless and only good for scum.
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People who dno't have any traits that make them more or less town should be thought of as about 25-33% mafia, as they are either town or not. (I love cats in boxes)
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So, it seems (I haven't gotten a chance to watch an episode yet,) that characters on DT resurrect as often as Kenny. If indeed this isn't the action of either town or scum, do we think there's any chance JC may return before the game ends? I doubt it, as a confirmed townie seems even more broken in a Mini, but we may want to consider it.
Then again, perhaps he wasn't supposed to mention the restriction. This may have been just mod retribution.
At this point I see three paths worth pursuing. Paranoid- "Outing cops and docs is good 'cause it gives our cops and docs info on who to investigate/protect." Arimnaes- For his vote and unvote order on me. RandomActs (Worst of the three to go after IMHO)- I can't think of any reason for a townie to have names in their PM, (Though if anyone can think of pro town reasons, now 'd be a good time to mention them.) but I can't think of reasons for scum to either (except their scum buddies, and no one is that stupid), I think this may be an AWC. (If it is, is this worth pursuing day 1 w/ a townie down?)
Wow, I just saw the whole JCSuperstar is dead thing, but I don't have time to finish reading at the moment. I'll catch up and post more later.
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If it was a modkill it would probably say something about it. The fact that the death mentioned suicide makes me think this is part of someone's role and the role specifically mentions 'suicide'.
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And suggesting it worth a townie How heinous Seriously Treigit, I'm not allowed to consider it but you are?
What? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
What I'm asking is, is it worth going after a character that we don't think is scum (even if we (I) don't think they're town either) given that we're now one townie down.
If it was a modkill it would probably say something about it. The fact that the death mentioned suicide makes me think this is part of someone's role and the role specifically mentions 'suicide'.
Suicide is something self-inflicted, obviously. And yet, the frown that JC left afterward indicates it was not his choice to do this. A paradox. My feeling is that JC somehow violated a restriction, perhaps incidentally, and was mod-killed because of it. I think the "suicide" aspect is CC's way of saying JC was responsible for his own death, by way of violating a restriction.
I hope I'm wrong about this. I hope, like the video game character he represents, that JC will come bouncing back again. Anyone see a reset button?
Alright, if that wasn't a modkill, then I'm of the opinion that it was a daykill of some kind. It was listed as suicide, but you have to admit that flavor-wise it was... prompted suicide. The frown that JC left also seemed to indicate that he didn't voluntarily do this to himself. I mean, why would you suicide randomly in the middle of Day 1 discussion?
As we can now rule out modkill, I think the logical explanation is that one of the mafia (or perhaps some other kind of killer) has a daykill ability which causes the target to "commit suicide". Hopefully, such an ability can't be used multiple times.
Ok, so now I'm caught up. I live in southern Missouri, and we had 4 storms in the area last night, all of which produced tornadoes at some point.
So, it seems to me, especially after CC confirmed it, that this was an in-game thing. I could see this being an ability of a scum, for example telling something embarrassing about somebody so they just want to die, and I could also see it as being attached to something JCS did but didn't realize it. Perhaps a hidden ability that if he ever says a certain thing or acts a certain way, then he kills himself. In that case, I think there's a chance he'll show up later.
As for Paranoid, I think his idea is not a good one, and it seems that he deserves a Vote Paranoid. The fact that he says "well let's just look at these three" seems to me like he's scum and none of them are, therefore they're a perfect group for him to single out and say we should lynch one of them.
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I agree that Paranoid’s plan is a poor one, and not just because I’m one of his proposed targets.
Let’s say he outs a cop. What then? Does he go on to out a doctor too? Then we lose both. Nice plan, huh? Not only that, what if a scum counter-claims the cop in order to get him lynched? There’s no doc protection for that. Sure, the scum would die the next day, but taking out the cop would be worth one scum for the mafia. Furthermore, even if he outs neither the cop nor the doc, he’s just shortened the mob’s potential hit list, and considerably increased the chances that scum will hit a power role with a NK.
I warned him earlier that this was a bad plan, yet he keeps pushing it. He admits that it’s risky. But it’s more than that. It’s scummy. I’m with you on this one, Machin.
Not only is his plan a poor one on first glance, but the OMGUS vote on Ximbad just screams that he is scum. I believe that this is the best lead for a lynch we have today. I would vote, but at this point, I still believe that there is a chance that Paranoid is just a townie that looks like scum. So, I will FoS: Paranoid with the possibility to upgrade to a vote. (I just don't want to give the scum a speed lynch.)
Paranoid, why on Earth would we want to pump the people with restrictions for information? They are the most likely of all of us to be town, as well as the most likely to be power roles. Your plan is illogical at best, and scumtacular at worst. I also don't like this:
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4. Statistically I'm scum.[/repetitivejoke]
The repetetive "I'm scum!" joke is often a scum tell. Joking about an idea is a way to subtly reduce its credibility. His OMGUS vote on Ximbad is fishy, but possibly understandable if he thought Ximbad was being serious with his "lynching townies at night" reasoning.
In conclusion, FoS Paranoid, which would be a vote except that he's already halfway to a lynch and hasn't claimed or really responded to his wagon yet. Also, I think we should try to reach consensus on the cause of jc's death before we end the day.
Originally Posted by paranoid 4. Statistically I'm scum.[/repetitivejoke]
The repetetive "I'm scum!" joke is often a scum tell. Joking about an idea is a way to subtly reduce its credibility.
Watch it, Paranoid gets very touchy when you FoS based on his jokes.
I can get behind the wagon on Paranoid, but agree that we need to give him time to respond. So FoS Paranoid.
I think given what CC has said the best reason for JC's death is that this is CC's way of confirming him and that JC may be back tomorrow morning. The other option I see is that someone had a one time DK. The thing that bothers me about this theory is why waste a one shot on D1? And why JC?
Saying he's neutral sounds like an excuse in case of a guilty investigation. But this is indeed odd. Though being a neutral player who wins with the town doesn't make any sense. The definition of neutral is not winning with a group.
Could this be that he steals the win from the town if he's alive at the end? I'm not sure I understand how this role works.
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Remember French Mafia? Remember my claim? At least my claim had a REASON the town had to win at the end. I believe the name claim, but the neutral/town needs to win is a really far stretch.
Hmmm... a neutral winning with the town is not unheard of. In Sin City, there were two "neutral masons" who basically had the townie WC. Puzzle was a neutral pacifist cult leader who won with the town, provided they voted no lynch at least once. So, a neutral who wins with the town but has an extra restriction wouldn't be impossible.
However, I don't like this claim. Partially, it's because it's a convenient claim. It's not a main character, which makes Paranoid being counterclaimed less likely. Also, because it's allegedly neutral, Paranoid can already set up for possibly being investigated and coming up as "not town." A convenient claim, of course, is not necessarily a false one. However, this took the cake for me:
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Then another thing, I have a restriction, I can't be on the wagon that lynches Princess Clara. If I am I automatically lose the game.
What does "lose the game" mean? If one auto-loses the game but stays alive, what is the point of continuing to play? In the case of setups like lovers, where if one lover dies the other commits suicide, the problem is solved because both end up dead. But Paranoid didn't say he would die, just that he would lose the game. Jigga-what?
This smells like a false claim with a few holes in it. Either that, or Paranoid really is the King and really does kill people with forks, but he does it as part of the mafia. I'm ready to vote Paranoid.
EBWODP: Partially sarnath'd by MMOD. Although are reasons for voting him are slighty different.
Werr, I guess this is where I come out with my info. I know how many peopre have each win condition. The totar number of win conditions comes out to 13, incruding 3 unique win conditions. If someone has two WC's now wourd be the time to come forward, and we've caught scum.
I'm still confused. His win condition is...plausible...but why would a character with a single night protection and a single vig have a restriction?
I'll wait for him to post to decide if he deserves the hammer.
The restriction makes sense flavourwise, but abilitywise it doesn't really. His role is already bogged down with neutrality AND having to stay alive until the end, plus the fact that he only has one way to protect himself on one night only.
During French mafia I claimed neutral with town win condition and surviving until the end, as I've said before, and I think the similarity is a little too close, though this is worth noting and shouldn't be used as damning evidence in on itself.
That claim is scummy as all get out. Why would he need to survie to the end AND have the town win. That's not a neutral win condition. In that case, he'd be a townie with an additional restriction on how he wins. I don't think it's a good idea to let someone with a claimed killing role and claimed neutral stay around - regardless of what he says.
But because it is the right thing to do, I will wait until Paranoid is on again to vote for him.
I see someone is reading this thread in invisible mode. If that's a player in this game, then please go back into visible. It seems sneaky as all get out. If it's just a bystander reading in invisible mode, then I guess that's okay...
I guess I want the town to win because Princess Clara wants off the show?
If Princess Clara wanted off the show, wouldn't that make her mafia?
If you are a townie or a true neutral, you're not making it very easy for yourself. Thanks for the visible mode, though. It just makes everything easier to keep track of.
I guess we should wait for Treigit, in case his information definitively clears or incriminates Paranoid. I didn't really understand exactly what he meant about knowing the win conditions.
No, I can't crear him. I just know that someone has more than one win condition, probabry a neutrar and a town, but it may be two neutrars. The more he tarks, the worse he seems. I've got no reason not to finish him. Does anyone erse?
RandomActs, Ximbad, Machin Shin, and SorryGuy haven't even posted since Paranoid craimed. I suppose it's fair to wait for them to say what they've got to say before finishing him. Though I can't imagine what they courd say to change our minds. I guess shourd have just kept my mouth shut, this is just going to make me seem worse tomorrow.
I guess I want the town to win because Princess Clara wants off the show?
If Princess Clara wanted off the show, wouldn't that make her mafia?
Yes, it would. And who would know that she wanted off the show but fellow scum? So his claim doesn't work.
This looks like a set up against Princess Clara. What does her alignment have to do with him wanting the town to win? It's a non sequitur statement as far as I can tell. He's either scum trying to take an innocent down with him, or he has an AWC that requires her to be gone. Either way, his claim is bogus.
I do indeed have a non-standard win condition. If I need to reveal more, I can I suppose, but I'd rather not. As for Paranoid, I don't like his claim, and I think he's possible SK, if not mafia. If nobody objects when I check this in about 3 hours, I'll cast the lynching vote on Paranoid.
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If nobody objects when I check this in about 3 hours, I'll cast the lynching vote on Paranoid.
Ummmm, unless you have multiple votes, Machin, you're already on record for voting. According to the last vote count, those not voting yet are: LJustus, Xyre, Treigit, and SorryGuy.
My bad, too many painkillers recently. So yeah, somebody else needs to finish him, I'm already voting.
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Paranoid's claim is really bad. Claiming to win with the town, but not being town is really scummy. I fully supoprt paranoid's lynch.
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To pressure someone until they claim? To lynch someone by the end of the day? Thereby gaining information we can use on the next day?
Congratulations. That's how the game of mafia is played.
The key, however, is to pick the correct targets. And why you think myself, Random, and bertrand are the best targets is beyond me.
Not a good idea.
No I don't have a counter suggestion. Sorry.
You all stare as jcsuperstar freaks out after taking a phone call.
"What the toot is wrong with you?" one of you asks.
"Last week, 'Ms.' Pac Man found out I was gay, and my girlfriend just broke up with me 'cause that big mouth tranny told her!"
You all fail to see the point of a gay guy having a girlfriend in the first place.
"What am I gonna do?"
"Well, if you kill yourself, you'll not only solve your own problems, but better society as well. That way, everyone's happy!" a more bigoted one of you responds.
At that, jcsuperstar raises his sword high above his head and shouts "Goodbye, cruel world!" Then, with one swift motion, he brings the blade right through his stomach. After falling over, his entire body blinks out of existence in true video game fashion.
Moral of the story: Never trust someone with contradicting gender pronouns in their name.
jcsuperstar - Xandir, Video Game Adventurer commit suicide Day 1.
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10 up and able, so still 6 to lynch.
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This might also be part of JC's restriction, but we haven't gotten majority on anything yet.
And how do we know Toot and Clara are in the game?
The thing is that those characters MIGHT be in the house, but they MIGHT not be actual players. Of course, I'm probably wrong as CC used alot of flavour relating to roles in scenes when we were in noob 4.
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There claims make little sence as a false claim from scum, and seems townish in nature. Hardly conclusive, but better then nothing.
You want everyone to stop looking at everyone else (AKA limit what they do), and look at three people who you say. But you don't give reason that the three people look like scum, or even scummy
Also note the OMGUS vote
That was a WTF kinda thing, meh. Dunno what we can do with that.
Probably is. But we don't know for sure. Could easily be scum with the same restriction. Though he is most likely town.
But if we have facts the mafia will have the same facts as us and they will plan around them. All this will do is out power roles.
Like what? What info would possibly want to gather from me? You want to figure out the rest of my role? That's both useless and only good for scum.
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That wasn't a modkill, was it CC?
Then again, perhaps he wasn't supposed to mention the restriction. This may have been just mod retribution.
At this point I see three paths worth pursuing. Paranoid- "Outing cops and docs is good 'cause it gives our cops and docs info on who to investigate/protect." Arimnaes- For his vote and unvote order on me. RandomActs (Worst of the three to go after IMHO)- I can't think of any reason for a townie to have names in their PM, (Though if anyone can think of pro town reasons, now 'd be a good time to mention them.) but I can't think of reasons for scum to either (except their scum buddies, and no one is that stupid), I think this may be an AWC. (If it is, is this worth pursuing day 1 w/ a townie down?)
So Paranoid.. what you're saying is you should try and get more info out of me (and RA) and go off that? How is that a good plan?
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What I'm asking is, is it worth going after a character that we don't think is scum (even if we (I) don't think they're town either) given that we're now one townie down.
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Suicide is something self-inflicted, obviously. And yet, the frown that JC left afterward indicates it was not his choice to do this. A paradox. My feeling is that JC somehow violated a restriction, perhaps incidentally, and was mod-killed because of it. I think the "suicide" aspect is CC's way of saying JC was responsible for his own death, by way of violating a restriction.
I hope I'm wrong about this. I hope, like the video game character he represents, that JC will come bouncing back again. Anyone see a reset button?
CC, can I ask if you killed him or is it someone/thing else?
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As we can now rule out modkill, I think the logical explanation is that one of the mafia (or perhaps some other kind of killer) has a daykill ability which causes the target to "commit suicide". Hopefully, such an ability can't be used multiple times.
Penny for them?
So, it seems to me, especially after CC confirmed it, that this was an in-game thing. I could see this being an ability of a scum, for example telling something embarrassing about somebody so they just want to die, and I could also see it as being attached to something JCS did but didn't realize it. Perhaps a hidden ability that if he ever says a certain thing or acts a certain way, then he kills himself. In that case, I think there's a chance he'll show up later.
As for Paranoid, I think his idea is not a good one, and it seems that he deserves a Vote Paranoid. The fact that he says "well let's just look at these three" seems to me like he's scum and none of them are, therefore they're a perfect group for him to single out and say we should lynch one of them.
Let’s say he outs a cop. What then? Does he go on to out a doctor too? Then we lose both. Nice plan, huh? Not only that, what if a scum counter-claims the cop in order to get him lynched? There’s no doc protection for that. Sure, the scum would die the next day, but taking out the cop would be worth one scum for the mafia. Furthermore, even if he outs neither the cop nor the doc, he’s just shortened the mob’s potential hit list, and considerably increased the chances that scum will hit a power role with a NK.
I warned him earlier that this was a bad plan, yet he keeps pushing it. He admits that it’s risky. But it’s more than that. It’s scummy. I’m with you on this one, Machin.
Vote: Paranoid
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Still 6 to lynch.
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The repetetive "I'm scum!" joke is often a scum tell. Joking about an idea is a way to subtly reduce its credibility. His OMGUS vote on Ximbad is fishy, but possibly understandable if he thought Ximbad was being serious with his "lynching townies at night" reasoning.
In conclusion, FoS Paranoid, which would be a vote except that he's already halfway to a lynch and hasn't claimed or really responded to his wagon yet. Also, I think we should try to reach consensus on the cause of jc's death before we end the day.
I can get behind the wagon on Paranoid, but agree that we need to give him time to respond. So FoS Paranoid.
I think given what CC has said the best reason for JC's death is that this is CC's way of confirming him and that JC may be back tomorrow morning. The other option I see is that someone had a one time DK. The thing that bothers me about this theory is why waste a one shot on D1? And why JC?
Survive till the end, then win with the town? That seems townie to me. Why would CC make it seem otherwise?
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Could this be that he steals the win from the town if he's alive at the end? I'm not sure I understand how this role works.
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Remember French Mafia? Remember my claim? At least my claim had a REASON the town had to win at the end. I believe the name claim, but the neutral/town needs to win is a really far stretch.
That claim just doesn't sit well with me.
However, I don't like this claim. Partially, it's because it's a convenient claim. It's not a main character, which makes Paranoid being counterclaimed less likely. Also, because it's allegedly neutral, Paranoid can already set up for possibly being investigated and coming up as "not town." A convenient claim, of course, is not necessarily a false one. However, this took the cake for me:
What does "lose the game" mean? If one auto-loses the game but stays alive, what is the point of continuing to play? In the case of setups like lovers, where if one lover dies the other commits suicide, the problem is solved because both end up dead. But Paranoid didn't say he would die, just that he would lose the game. Jigga-what?
This smells like a false claim with a few holes in it. Either that, or Paranoid really is the King and really does kill people with forks, but he does it as part of the mafia. I'm ready to vote Paranoid.
EBWODP: Partially sarnath'd by MMOD. Although are reasons for voting him are slighty different.
He has 31.984657 hours to do so (approximately)
EWODP: Oh yeah.. right. I can't drop da hammah. Never mind.
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Ximbad - (Paranoid)
Paranoid - (arimnaes, mystery meat of doom, RandomActs, Machin Shin, Ximbad)
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LJustus, Xyre, Treigit, SorryGuy
Still 6 to lynch.
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I'll wait for him to post to decide if he deserves the hammer.
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The restriction makes sense flavourwise, but abilitywise it doesn't really. His role is already bogged down with neutrality AND having to stay alive until the end, plus the fact that he only has one way to protect himself on one night only.
During French mafia I claimed neutral with town win condition and surviving until the end, as I've said before, and I think the similarity is a little too close, though this is worth noting and shouldn't be used as damning evidence in on itself.
But because it is the right thing to do, I will wait until Paranoid is on again to vote for him.
If Princess Clara wanted off the show, wouldn't that make her mafia?
If you are a townie or a true neutral, you're not making it very easy for yourself. Thanks for the visible mode, though. It just makes everything easier to keep track of.
I guess we should wait for Treigit, in case his information definitively clears or incriminates Paranoid. I didn't really understand exactly what he meant about knowing the win conditions.
RandomActs, Ximbad, Machin Shin, and SorryGuy haven't even posted since Paranoid craimed. I suppose it's fair to wait for them to say what they've got to say before finishing him. Though I can't imagine what they courd say to change our minds. I guess shourd have just kept my mouth shut, this is just going to make me seem worse tomorrow.
Yes, it would. And who would know that she wanted off the show but fellow scum? So his claim doesn't work.
This looks like a set up against Princess Clara. What does her alignment have to do with him wanting the town to win? It's a non sequitur statement as far as I can tell. He's either scum trying to take an innocent down with him, or he has an AWC that requires her to be gone. Either way, his claim is bogus.
Ummmm, unless you have multiple votes, Machin, you're already on record for voting. According to the last vote count, those not voting yet are: LJustus, Xyre, Treigit, and SorryGuy.
Paranoid's claim is really bad. Claiming to win with the town, but not being town is really scummy. I fully supoprt paranoid's lynch.