But then there'd be no point of editting/deleting his previous post.
It is called a gambit.
I doubt he would do it. It is possible but I honestly think it was bertrard making a mistake. He does not have that much expirence and it could happen. I will give him the benifit of the doubt.
No claims. I doubt all eight are even in the game, I would guess maybe six. Claiming would not be good at this point in the game.
I'm just chimiming in to voice my argeement with Machin Shin, the character names won't show anything except in end game (if then); and with Random Acts, the fact that he edited his post means the restriction may be true, but that doesn't make him town (or scum).
I haven't seen the show, but didn't the wiki mention some recurring characters? Do you think there's a greater chance of outside characters over them?
Add me to the list of those opposed to claims. The information would be far more useful to scum looking for power roles than to townies looking for scum.
I believe bertrand's restriction. A gambit that risks getting modkilled would be a pretty sad gambit. What exactly the restriction says about bertrand's alignment is up for debate.
Yeah, let's not mass claim. Whose idea was that anyway?
Ximbad originally floated the idea back in post 9, but then immediated said it would prolly screw over the town. I've never seen mass claiming done before, but this is a new site for me and I thought the style of play might be different here. So I kept my mouth shut about it. But now that most of chimed against the idea, I see it's just a bad idea anywhere. A tiny and delayed FoS on Ximbad for double-speak.
Ximbad originally floated the idea back in post 9, but then immediated said it would prolly screw over the town. I've never seen mass claiming done before, but this is a new site for me and I thought the style of play might be different here. So I kept my mouth shut about it. But now that most of chimed against the idea, I see it's just a bad idea anywhere. A tiny and delayed FoS on Ximbad for double-speak.
The restriction was not being able to unvote right? How does that get you modkilled? I'm not sure I'm actually following the thread correctly here.
Bertrand random-voted, which was his first mistake, seeing as he isn't allowed to unvote. Then he deleted his post, which was his second, much bigger, mistake. This is incredibly sloppy play, which should have gotten him modkilled. However, it pretty much guarantees he's telling the truth about his restriction (why else would he delete the post?). Furthermore, there's nothing about what he did that particularly pegs him as scummy.
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Is it ok to reveal content from our role assignments, as long as we don't quote you? I'm guessing "yes" but being new around here, i wanna make sure.
Question for CC:
Is it ok to reveal content from our role assignments, as long as we don't quote you? I'm guessing "yes" but being new around here, i wanna make sure.
Absolutemento. So long as you don't quote my PMs directly, you can paraphrase anything I've sent you.
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FoS: Paranoid and everyone pressuring Bertrand. (This time I mean it.)
Sometimes (most of the time?) posting restrictions are counter weights to good powers. We don't need to know at this time why Bertrand has this restriction. Yes, he may be mafia, but now is not the time to probe. Wait; if he does something suspicious, then we pressure him.
I only want to know this: Why do you want to know?
There has been some discussion about which characters from DT are included in the game. A number of them beyond my own role were mentioned in my assignment. Having been mentioned there, I think it's a safe bet they're represented in the game. It seems our discussion about which characters are here is drawing to a close. But if we decide to continue that discussion, that might be a source of information.
Ugh, this is what I hate about Day 1. Does anybody have any good ideas on how to proceed? Oh and I love that avatar LJustus. "36? Does that include me? I'M 37?!?!"
EBWODP: Blarg, I even previewed.
Random, you're right we're done with the discussion of who's here for the moment, but you should definitely not say anything else about your role until there is some reason to. Assuming you're town, you can use that list to help nail scum who false claim, although I could certainly see scum that have a few safe claims given to them as well.
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Yes, it seems we're very close to an impass here. Yet we do have 2 votes outstanding. MMoD has a vote on Paranoid, and SorryMan has a vote on MMoD. Do either (or both) of the voters have enough reasons to start building a case? If so, we're all ears. Or are these votes just super FoS's? If there's nothing to justify the votes, let's try to move on.
Question for CC:
Is it ok to reveal content from our role assignments, as long as we don't quote you? I'm guessing "yes" but being new around here, i wanna make sure.
Back to square one. He's talking about role PMs.
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FoS: Paranoid and everyone pressuring Bertrand. (This time I mean it.)
Sometimes (most of the time?) posting restrictions are counter weights to good powers. We don't need to know at this time why Bertrand has this restriction. Yes, he may be mafia, but now is not the time to probe. Wait; if he does something suspicious, then we pressure him.
It may just be me, but you're making a serious FOS on Paranoid, then saying to not pressure Bert? Isn't that pseudo-contradictory?
I think Random Acts has taken us out of day one purgatory:
Can you say bounty hunter?
The question is, do we want to keep a non-town character that can off someone in the night?
That's pretty far-fetched, if you ask me. I don't think even I'm studpid enough to talk about assignments (in the bounty hunter sense) if that were my role. I know we're desperate to find something to talk about, but let's not lose our reasoning, ok? IGMEOY.
I floated the idea of a mass claim because it might seem good, but is in all likelyhood a bad idea. A pre-emptive voice against it.
37 IN A ROW?
I've noticed some people fishing for claims from people who aren't on the show and I am against this. It isn't important for us to know who such information. (If a townie or two come up as people on the show and a mafia shows up as a person not on the show. that's anouther story.)
I'll take it then that we're not going to have say one handed to us on a plater :/
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I think Random Acts has taken us out of day one purgatory:
Can you say bounty hunter?
The question is, do we want to keep a non-town character that can off someone in the night?
This seems like beyond leaping to conclusions, especially when RA has already used the term "assignment" to mean role pm. I think he just means assignment as in the assignment of a role.
Treigit, you seem to be throwing a lot of suspicion around. You're acting more aggressive than I'm comfortable with. FoS: Treigit
Yes, it seems we're very close to an impass here. Yet we do have 2 votes outstanding. MMoD has a vote on Paranoid, and SorryMan has a vote on MMoD. Do either (or both) of the voters have enough reasons to start building a case? If so, we're all ears. Or are these votes just super FoS's? If there's nothing to justify the votes, let's try to move on.
It seems to me that you are getting impatient. We're not at an impasse, we just don't have concrete leads at the moment, which is always the case on day 1. But there is no reason to start revealing role information. We'll catch scum by analyzing behavior.
Speaking of which, I agree with the FOS's on Treigit. He implied that Paranoid was pressuring Bertrand to reveal more info, which he wasn't, imo. Then he jumped to the conclusion that Random is a bounty hunter.
FOS: Treigit
@Treigit - Do you still believe Random is a bounty hunter after the discussion of the word "assignment?"
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Wow Treigit, nice play there. Lynching someone on wording. Also it would be Serial Killer not Bounty Hunter. And come on, SKs in twelve man games are rather insane. Vigs are even scary, look at the threads about set-up. That would be unbalanced.
That was fun LJ. Nice post.
JC's play seems off but also different from his in Sin City. Meh.
No, I think a bounty hunter would be like LJ's role in Sin City, rather than an SK. However, I don't think we can justifiably infer RA to be either of those things solely from his choice of words regarding PMs.
Ximbad, that line had absolutely nothing to do at all with anything in Mafia, and everything in the world to do with LJustus' avatar and custom title, which is in fact what I said when I quoted Clerks, which his avatar and title are from. I don't even know where the hell that came from, and I would normally vote Ximbad for trying to completely manufacture a reason I look scummy but from what I've seen you just don't have a clue in general in other games. This could be because you really don't have a clue, or just it convenient to hide behind in games in which you're scum. FOS Ximbad.
Recent posts have made me want to take a look at Treigit, and this is what I've found. In post 58, he mentions me specifically when saying he was anti-mass claim, which seems like trying to lump himself in with a townie.
In post 73, he FOS's "Paranoid and everyone pressuring Bertrand" and then proceeds to restate what everybody else has said, this time as a reason to FOS people seemingly at random. Paranoid had just finished saying that he believed Bertrand had the restriction, but that restriction by no means make him automatically town, just probably somebody with a powerful role. This to me seems like trying to defend fellow scum.
In post 81 he is again trying to manufacture scum tells, this time with RandomActs. RA had previously referred to his role PM as his "role assignment" and then Treigit tries to drum up suspicion based his use of the word "assignment" again, in the same context as RA used it last time.
Any of those alone might say "confused townie stumbling through day 1" but taken together, they say "scum trying to get anybody but a fellow scum lynched" to me. Vote Treigit
Oh, and Paranoid, I just noticed you said you wished you could do the subscript thing. Just put [*sub]TM[*/sub] without the asterisks, and it looks like TM.
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He's talking about his role-freaking-pm! Move on, T! And stop FOSing him for a simple mistake!
Ximbad's probably laughing right now, because I'm terrible when it comes to participating in bandwagons.:rolleyes:
Ximbad, that line had absolutely nothing to do at all with anything in Mafia, and everything in the world to do with LJustus' avatar and custom title, which is in fact what I said when I quoted Clerks, which his avatar and title are from.
That was three thoughts strung together, the 37 in a row part was better then the I'm number 37 part,
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Ah, my bad. You typically see a quote with thoughts about said quote just below it. It wasn't clear that there was a seperation there.
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Okay, yeah, I missed the fact that RA had used "assignment" before to refer to his PM. Though you have to admit hearing "There are names in my assignment," with the context of that showing up in Sin City, it's a just assumption.
So, no I don't now think that RA is a bounty hunter. Note, I didn't vote even when I thought he was a hunter, I just brought it up so we'd debate the merits of stringing him up.
Hang onto those names for the end, they may catch scum/confirm townies.
Now what's the other acusation against me? Oh yeah, trying to stop probes on Bertrand. My post was a direct response to this portion of Paranoid's post:
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Regardles, it doesn't help us in any way! We need to know why he has a posting restriction. Well, I think it would be good for us to know. Not necesarily now.
I don't want too many votes and FoSes on him. I don't know Bert's experience, but if he has a power, I don't want to see him say so just because someone's curious about his restriction. As I said, the restriction can be on either townie or scum, but future suspicion ought to be based on his behavior.
Ximbad, that line had absolutely nothing to do at all with anything in Mafia, and everything in the world to do with LJustus' avatar and custom title, which is in fact what I said when I quoted Clerks, which his avatar and title are from. I don't even know where the hell that came from, and I would normally vote Ximbad for trying to completely manufacture a reason I look scummy but from what I've seen you just don't have a clue in general in other games. This could be because you really don't have a clue, or just it convenient to hide behind in games in which you're scum. FOS Ximbad.
Recent posts have made me want to take a look at Treigit, and this is what I've found. In post 58, he mentions me specifically when saying he was anti-mass claim, which seems like trying to lump himself in with a townie.
In post 73, he FOS's "Paranoid and everyone pressuring Bertrand" and then proceeds to restate what everybody else has said, this time as a reason to FOS people seemingly at random. Paranoid had just finished saying that he believed Bertrand had the restriction, but that restriction by no means make him automatically town, just probably somebody with a powerful role. This to me seems like trying to defend fellow scum.
In post 81 he is again trying to manufacture scum tells, this time with RandomActs. RA had previously referred to his role PM as his "role assignment" and then Treigit tries to drum up suspicion based his use of the word "assignment" again, in the same context as RA used it last time.
Any of those alone might say "confused townie stumbling through day 1" but taken together, they say "scum trying to get anybody but a fellow scum lynched" to me. Vote Treigit
Oh, and Paranoid, I just noticed you said you wished you could do the subscript thing. Just put [*sub]TM[*/sub] without the asterisks, and it looks like TM.
Interesting analysis. For the sake of pressure and proving my ability to vote, I will vote: Treigit.
I'll upgrade my FoS to a vote Treigit. I'm not convinced he's scum, but he's the best lead we have at the moment and we can at least provoke reactions from people. I noticed SorryGuy didn't comment on Treigit at all. Any thoughts, SG?
I'll upgrade my FoS to a vote Treigit. I'm not convinced he's scum, but he's the best lead we have at the moment and we can at least provoke reactions from people. I noticed SorryGuy didn't comment on Treigit at all. Any thoughts, SG?
Wow Treigit, nice play there. Lynching someone on wording. Also it would be Serial Killer not Bounty Hunter. And come on, SKs in twelve man games are rather insane. Vigs are even scary, look at the threads about set-up. That would be unbalanced.
Yes, his play so far as been bad. I do not do FOSing because really, saying I feel something is scummy works just the same. You can take this as an FOS. However if we decide to pressure him I am fine with that.
Once we resolve the Treigit thing, not now as that would give him a chance to move the spotlight away from himself, we should make sure everyone has voted if they have no and maybe even check for double voting. I figure if bertrad has a strange voting restriction others may as well. However his may give the scum too much information. Like I said, let us pick it up later if need be.
I'm willing to cast a vote on Treigit, but a fifth vote would get him too close to being lynched, and I think he deserves a chance to fully explain. Also, as the target of his apparent over-play, I want to avoid the impression that I would submit anything like an OMGUS vote. However, if he fails to convince, I'd have no problem adding my vote.
Wait! I only count 3 votes on Treigit: Machin Shin, LJustus, and arimnaes. Is there another?
But then there'd be no point of editting/deleting his previous post.
It is called a gambit.
I doubt he would do it. It is possible but I honestly think it was bertrard making a mistake. He does not have that much expirence and it could happen. I will give him the benifit of the doubt.
No claims. I doubt all eight are even in the game, I would guess maybe six. Claiming would not be good at this point in the game.
I haven't seen the show, but didn't the wiki mention some recurring characters? Do you think there's a greater chance of outside characters over them?
I believe bertrand's restriction. A gambit that risks getting modkilled would be a pretty sad gambit. What exactly the restriction says about bertrand's alignment is up for debate.
Yeah, let's not mass claim. Whose idea was that anyway?
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I random voted, realized what I did and deleted the post...
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Ximbad originally floated the idea back in post 9, but then immediated said it would prolly screw over the town. I've never seen mass claiming done before, but this is a new site for me and I thought the style of play might be different here. So I kept my mouth shut about it. But now that most of chimed against the idea, I see it's just a bad idea anywhere. A tiny and delayed FoS on Ximbad for double-speak.
Sash says a lot of ridiculous things.
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Bertrand random-voted, which was his first mistake, seeing as he isn't allowed to unvote. Then he deleted his post, which was his second, much bigger, mistake. This is incredibly sloppy play, which should have gotten him modkilled. However, it pretty much guarantees he's telling the truth about his restriction (why else would he delete the post?). Furthermore, there's nothing about what he did that particularly pegs him as scummy.
Correct. He was formerly known as musashi.
Is it ok to reveal content from our role assignments, as long as we don't quote you? I'm guessing "yes" but being new around here, i wanna make sure.
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Sometimes (most of the time?) posting restrictions are counter weights to good powers. We don't need to know at this time why Bertrand has this restriction. Yes, he may be mafia, but now is not the time to probe. Wait; if he does something suspicious, then we pressure him.
There has been some discussion about which characters from DT are included in the game. A number of them beyond my own role were mentioned in my assignment. Having been mentioned there, I think it's a safe bet they're represented in the game. It seems our discussion about which characters are here is drawing to a close. But if we decide to continue that discussion, that might be a source of information.
EBWODP: Blarg, I even previewed.
Random, you're right we're done with the discussion of who's here for the moment, but you should definitely not say anything else about your role until there is some reason to. Assuming you're town, you can use that list to help nail scum who false claim, although I could certainly see scum that have a few safe claims given to them as well.
paranoid - (MMoD)
MMoD - (SorryGuy)
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Xyre, Paranoid, Machin Shin, LJustus, jcsuperstar, Treigit, Ximbad, arimnaes, RandomActs
Eleven able to vote, so its six to lynch.
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Can you say bounty hunter?
The question is, do we want to keep a non-town character that can off someone in the night?
Back to square one. He's talking about role PMs.
It may just be me, but you're making a serious FOS on Paranoid, then saying to not pressure Bert? Isn't that pseudo-contradictory?
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That's pretty far-fetched, if you ask me. I don't think even I'm studpid enough to talk about assignments (in the bounty hunter sense) if that were my role. I know we're desperate to find something to talk about, but let's not lose our reasoning, ok? IGMEOY.
The 'my assignment' thing sounds wierd. When people say that it means they've been ordered to do something.
I've noticed some people fishing for claims from people who aren't on the show and I am against this. It isn't important for us to know who such information. (If a townie or two come up as people on the show and a mafia shows up as a person not on the show. that's anouther story.)
I'll take it then that we're not going to have say one handed to us on a plater :/
This seems like beyond leaping to conclusions, especially when RA has already used the term "assignment" to mean role pm. I think he just means assignment as in the assignment of a role.
Treigit, you seem to be throwing a lot of suspicion around. You're acting more aggressive than I'm comfortable with.
FoS: Treigit
Come on, I'm sure even you knew what he meant..
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It seems to me that you are getting impatient. We're not at an impasse, we just don't have concrete leads at the moment, which is always the case on day 1. But there is no reason to start revealing role information. We'll catch scum by analyzing behavior.
Speaking of which, I agree with the FOS's on Treigit. He implied that Paranoid was pressuring Bertrand to reveal more info, which he wasn't, imo. Then he jumped to the conclusion that Random is a bounty hunter.
FOS: Treigit
@Treigit - Do you still believe Random is a bounty hunter after the discussion of the word "assignment?"
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That was fun LJ. Nice post.
JC's play seems off but also different from his in Sin City. Meh.
Recent posts have made me want to take a look at Treigit, and this is what I've found. In post 58, he mentions me specifically when saying he was anti-mass claim, which seems like trying to lump himself in with a townie.
In post 73, he FOS's "Paranoid and everyone pressuring Bertrand" and then proceeds to restate what everybody else has said, this time as a reason to FOS people seemingly at random. Paranoid had just finished saying that he believed Bertrand had the restriction, but that restriction by no means make him automatically town, just probably somebody with a powerful role. This to me seems like trying to defend fellow scum.
In post 81 he is again trying to manufacture scum tells, this time with RandomActs. RA had previously referred to his role PM as his "role assignment" and then Treigit tries to drum up suspicion based his use of the word "assignment" again, in the same context as RA used it last time.
Any of those alone might say "confused townie stumbling through day 1" but taken together, they say "scum trying to get anybody but a fellow scum lynched" to me. Vote Treigit
Oh, and Paranoid, I just noticed you said you wished you could do the subscript thing. Just put [*sub]TM[*/sub] without the asterisks, and it looks like TM.
Ximbad's probably laughing right now, because I'm terrible when it comes to participating in bandwagons.:rolleyes:
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That was three thoughts strung together, the 37 in a row part was better then the I'm number 37 part,
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As in, we all vote for someone random to make sure our vote works? Didn't we do that already?
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So, no I don't now think that RA is a bounty hunter. Note, I didn't vote even when I thought he was a hunter, I just brought it up so we'd debate the merits of stringing him up.
Hang onto those names for the end, they may catch scum/confirm townies.
Now what's the other acusation against me? Oh yeah, trying to stop probes on Bertrand. My post was a direct response to this portion of Paranoid's post: I don't want too many votes and FoSes on him. I don't know Bert's experience, but if he has a power, I don't want to see him say so just because someone's curious about his restriction. As I said, the restriction can be on either townie or scum, but future suspicion ought to be based on his behavior.
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What, like say this next sentence?
Stop revealing information!
Booooooooooooo!
Interesting analysis. For the sake of pressure and proving my ability to vote, I will vote: Treigit.
Yes, his play so far as been bad. I do not do FOSing because really, saying I feel something is scummy works just the same. You can take this as an FOS. However if we decide to pressure him I am fine with that.
Once we resolve the Treigit thing, not now as that would give him a chance to move the spotlight away from himself, we should make sure everyone has voted if they have no and maybe even check for double voting. I figure if bertrad has a strange voting restriction others may as well. However his may give the scum too much information. Like I said, let us pick it up later if need be.
Point stands that I'd encourage everyone to comment on Treigit, of course.
Nothing you've already failed to clear up.
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Wait! I only count 3 votes on Treigit: Machin Shin, LJustus, and arimnaes. Is there another?