1. Why you think a townie bodyguard would have a bloodsoaked note and a creepy aura?
2. Why you were even given this information, if all you do is check people's mail? Did your role pm imply you would sometimes get extra information?
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Even if I could see a mafia posing as a cop to implicate a townie, there's no friggin way I could see a mafia posing as a cop to implicate the mod. I don't think there's a case against MJM
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Even though Dwight's not dead, I can't imagine lynching him was a good thing. I could imagine him coming back as scum.
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Wait...so Axelrod used an ability last night, but not on the no-kill night? FOS Axelrod
You know there could be many different explanations for this, right?
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Kevin for some reason either can't or hasn't killed today.
Miho was a mason with some other of the girls who all had role info that Az was infact Dwight. I seem to recall them knowing him well. When I came out and said that Az=scum, which she knew to be incorrect, she tried to vig me.
I really want there to be a better lynch than armlx.
After reading a bit, I'm starting to think that fayul is Kevin. I just have a sneaking suspicion that Kevin can make a daykill if he wants, but if declines to daykill and instead gets a post restricion, he'll be investigated as innocent. After the issue with Puzzle, I was wondering why fayul would point out the fact that she claimed voteless BEFORE him today and the only thing I can think of is that she WANTS to be investigated tonight.
Kevin for some reason either can't or hasn't killed today.
Miho was a mason with some other of the girls who all had role info that Az was infact Dwight. I seem to recall them knowing him well. When I came out and said that Az=scum, which she knew to be incorrect, she tried to vig me.
Oh! I've got a better theory though. SorryGuy and chamber forced Miho to kill you, except they don't know that they did because the mafia are acting through them without them knowing!
... Matjoeman, c'mon. A theory is a hypothesis supported by evidence. What you're proposing is a random guess.
RafaelK, what strikes me as strange that I am also from the green comic. Except, my role NAME fits in perfectly with the flavor of my role ABILITY. For you to be a postal worker, even if it has nothing to do with your character, is weird. I'm not saying I'm doubting you, but it is unusual.
Is armlx a character from the green comic as well?
Vote : draygn_mage
I think he's been acting fairly scummy this game. I don't have time to support that with evidence yet, but I'll get on it as soon as I have the chance.
Miho was a mason with some other of the girls who all had role info that Az was infact Dwight. I seem to recall them knowing him well. When I came out and said that Az=scum, which she knew to be incorrect, she tried to vig me.
Thats a bit too speculative, I think; I didn't see any push against voting Azrael and killing you for something like that is a bit crazy. It could happen, but I think its assuming too much.
I really want there to be a better lynch than armlx.
I agree.
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After reading a bit, I'm starting to think that fayul is Kevin. I just have a sneaking suspicion that Kevin can make a daykill if he wants, but if declines to daykill and instead gets a post restricion, he'll be investigated as innocent. After the issue with Puzzle, I was wondering why fayul would point out the fact that she claimed voteless BEFORE him today and the only thing I can think of is that she WANTS to be investigated tonight.
vote fayul
You know, Fayul's "restriction" is just as questionable as Puzzle's, and yet nobody has called her on it. It's way too easy to fake and doesn't attract any attention.
You think that MJM's theory is speculative, and then you accept one that might even be more wild? FoS: Dragyn and Aurora (I'd vote for dragyn if I had to out of the two.)
I'll tell you what: Barring unforseen circumstances, I will be unrestricted tommorow. You can inverstigate me after that. Or investigate me today. Whatever. Besides, I haven't watched Sin City, but s there any possiblity at all that Kevin could ever come up Innocent?
Dragyn: I calimed voteless before Puzzle to -prove I'm not part of any cult-. Hell, I dooubt there even IS a cult: what evidence do we have that there was more than one pacifist?
That's 5 posts, by the way, so try not to specifically adress me and force me to respond to ludicrous theorys as that. I have a perfectly valid reason for restriction and unrestriction, and fishing for it is rather scummy when I have straight-up aid that it would not be in the town's favor for the mafia to know this.
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Dragyn: I claimed voteless before Puzzle to -prove I'm not part of any cult-. Hell, I dooubt there even IS a cult: what evidence do we have that there was more than one pacifist?
If there was a cult, Puzzle would have been at the head of it. The fact that you have a similar restriction doesn't help you. However, the only way I could see you being a member of such a cult is that the cult leader's restriction is his alone, not his recruits', but when he died, he passed that leadership onto you. That seems pretty far-fetched, since the power-level of such a cult would be very high, though.
As for you being Kevin, I'm not inclined to think that Kevin's role would change a whole lot over the course of the game, and you've already demonstrated that you don't have a permanent restiction that would link you to Kevin the way Puzzle did.
Not that that clear you, or anything, but we don't have anything approaching evidence on you. We need to look elsewhere, I think, for now, but I think we need to keep an eye on you in the future.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I think that draygn_mage may be on to something here. I think now would be a great time for Fayul to check in and let us know what she thinks of the idea.
Umm, Fayul responded to that just three posts before yours, LJustus. Did you not notice? In any case, why do you think D_M could be on to something? It's not like he had any evidence to support his speculation.
Right now, I'm far more suspicious of D_M, based on his last few posts. He doesn't seem to be contributing anything of substance to the discussion, and most of his recent posts have been one- or two-liners.
Before that, wasn't he the one who was advocating the pre-set order of folks to line up for a lynch in three consecutive days? Or was that AS?
Regardless, his behavior has been drastically different from any other game I've seen him play in. While it's possible that he has a posting restriction that he can't use more than, say, 500 words per day, it looks more like he's trying to stay under the radar.
He'd be a good investigation target, I think, if a cop feels like it. Or we could even lynch him, if we feel like armlx oughtn't die today.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
You think that MJM's theory is speculative, and then you accept one that might even be more wild? FoS: Dragyn and Aurora (I'd vote for dragyn if I had to out of the two.)
I'm not necessarily supporting his theory. I'm just saying your post restriction is convenient in the same way that chamber/sorryguy's claim is convenient, and you havent drawn any fire for it.
I haven't watched Sin City, but s there any possiblity at all that Kevin could ever come up Innocent?
He eats the bodies of "unclean" people to purify himself, so I suppose so.
the main problem I see with Dragyn Mage's theory is that it fails to explain the different day-killing methods.
The SPECULATION that is about to occur is merely speculation. I speculate that perhaps our SK actually does no killing - rather, he or she hires others to do their dirty work for them, thus changing the kill method every day (and perhaps coming up innocent?). However, I don't know how the flavor of this would work out, not being that familiar with the milieu (sp?).
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Right now, I'm far more suspicious of D_M, based on his last few posts. He doesn't seem to be contributing anything of substance to the discussion, and most of his recent posts have been one- or two-liners.
Before that, wasn't he the one who was advocating the pre-set order of folks to line up for a lynch in three consecutive days? Or was that AS?
Regardless, his behavior has been drastically different from any other game I've seen him play in. While it's possible that he has a posting restriction that he can't use more than, say, 500 words per day, it looks more like he's trying to stay under the radar.
He'd be a good investigation target, I think, if a cop feels like it. Or we could even lynch him, if we feel like armlx oughtn't die today.
You certainly seem rather eager here, but I do see where you are coming from here. Certainly, I think DM is being overly agressive here, and his speculation on Fayul propbably isn't worth a vote. Unvote on armlx for the time being.
I think it's slowed down because everyone had a mental idea of how the day was going to end (Azrael lynched, scum, night falls) and it didn't happen.
Frankly, I'm very happy with armlx being the lynch today. There's no guarantees at all that matjoe will live to investigate him and talk about it. Indeed, I just remembered that Hawkeye implied he'd been roleblocked, so chances are we have a scum roleblocker. That reduces the odds of an investigation getting us somewhere to about nothing. If we don't lynch armlx, we'll be right back here tomorrow morning wondering about him.
Unless armlx can explain to us how it's credible that Hawkeye, Town Bodyguard would have a creepy aura and a gnawed-on bloody note, I think he's the best choice for this lynch.
There's a lot of detail been put into this game- note how matjoe said he saw in his inspection scene that Azrael had a gun? And then in Azrael's "lynch" scene we found out that he did have a gun but it was unloaded? "The mod is crazy" is not a reason for the townie bodyguard to give a creepy aura. vote stands on armlx.
The only thing I see against Fayul is her inability to vote today, and she says she'll get that ability back, so I think we can wait to see if that's true or not.
Oh, and Azrael: what happens at deadline? No lynch, person with most votes lynched, reduced majority to lynch, what?
well yes everything I posted was speculation. and you're right, it doesn't explain different kill styles. I was merely commenting on Kevin/fayul. I don't like that fayul is getting by under the radar while having a posting restriction that sounds like it would be a good balancer for a day-killer (ie something that would be hard to keep us from noticing). I volunteer to be investigated tonight if you like. I obviously disagree that I should be a lynch candidate.
Indeed, this game has really slowed down. We don't really have many good leads right now except for armlx, and I think that's probably the best lynch for today. We can wait on Fayul to see what happens to her tomorrow. Lynching armlx will at least shed some light on the RafK/armlx pair, while eliminating a potential anti-town. I still don't understand why he would get that kind of information about HAWKEYE.
I'll vote armlx.
I understand that some people don't think armlx is the right lynch, but I have yet to see any better alternatives.
I don't see how this speculation gets us anywhere. I think after tomorrow we'll have a much better idea of what we're up against - it depends on whether there's a daykill tomorrow, and what the nature of the attack is.
Although, when you say "vig," I have to say no (assuming "vig" means pro-town). There's no reason a pro-town vig would try to kill a claimed cop right after he comes out. It could still be some type of neutral/SK, but like I said, there's not enough information for us to sort everything out yet.
Although, when you say "vig," I have to say no (assuming "vig" means pro-town). There's no reason a pro-town vig would try to kill a claimed cop right after he comes out. It could still be some type of neutral/SK, but like I said, there's not enough information for us to sort everything out yet.
Yes but Miho would know that Dwight wasn't scum (I'm just trying to think of an explanation that sounds like something the mod would actually do, as opposed to somebody with a slight post restriction kills through other people).
I don't see how that justifies daykilling a claimed cop before more information is gathered.
(I'm just trying to think of an explanation that sounds like something the mod would actually do, as opposed to somebody with a slight post restriction kills through other people).
Or somebody with a slight post restriction killing by himself/herself?
Seriously, there's way too little information for us to make an educated guess about what has happened here. Untestable conjecture isn't going to help us.
Does anybody else think that today's day kill was a vig(Miho)?
Really, really poor judgment if so. I guess it can't be entirely ruled out if the vig had inside knowledge that Az was clear as you speculated.
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I don't like that fayul is getting by under the radar while having a posting restriction that sounds like it would be a good balancer for a day-killer (ie something that would be hard to keep us from noticing). I volunteer to be investigated tonight if you like. I obviously disagree that I should be a lynch candidate.
I just pointed out that investigation (from matjoe, anyway) is very unlikely between the possibility of death and the possibility of roleblock, so it clears you completely that you're willing to be investigated! Only not.
Let's NOT just lynch Armlx to get the day over, people. Maybe I feel somewhat responsible for saying he was wrong about my use of ability when he wasn't, but the case is not particularly strong.
I'm sure there are better choices.
Also:
Vote: Azrael This is just to see what, if anything, happens. Don't read more into it.
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Let's NOT just lynch Armlx to get the day over, people. Maybe I feel somewhat responsible for saying he was wrong about my use of ability when he wasn't, but the case is not particularly strong.
I'm voting armlx due to the potential information we gain from lynching him. Not to mention his questionable information about HAWKEYE, which is as of yet unexplained.
I'm sure there are better choices.
Yes, we keep hearing about these "better choices," but no one can actually name who those better choices are. Or, for the couple of people who have named other players, there has been a failure to back up their choices with a case. Is there something I'm missing here?
Let's also not forget that Az has already set a deadline for Wednesday.
Does anybody else think that today's day kill was a vig(Miho)? And Kevin hasn't (or can't) kill today.
It worries me to have one of our information roles so easily grabbing at straws.
The thing is, Matjoeman, we can think all we want, but none of us have any kind of evidence to distinguish one theory from the other. (Or, at least most likely none of us do. This day has taught us that you never know what someone might turn out to know.)
With Azrael down, we see cases against:
armlx: supported by RafaelK's information
RafaelK: in reaction to his voting armlx
fayul: On the grounds that she might be Kevin
draygn_mage: In reaction to his voting fayul
armlx, to me, is the only one that actually has any evidence. Not to mention it will yield a good amount of information. armlx has confirmed the PMs he has been accused of sending as opposed to denying them, but has not given any kind of justification for them, and shows no sign of ever doing so, claiming ignorance. If we're going to vote someone based on suspicious actions, I think armlx is as good a bet as we're going to find.
Axelrod: While I too am growing weary of how long the days are lasting in this game, I fail to see what better case out there it is that you site.
Somebody asked if Kevin could come up as innocent upon inspection. Hard to say. Kevin is protected by the Roarkes. The Roarkes own Sin City. They therefore own the police. Then again, Hartigan's a good cop. And Kevin's a murdering cannibal. So I don't think there's any possibility of Kevin coming up innocent from Hartigan's inspections. From there, in Azrael we trust.
I still am not feeling the armlx wagon at all. I see what you mean about gaining information but there is really no cause. RafK took something on way, and it is possible he is right but I mean, come on guys, we have very little. For all we know this is some kind of gambit.
But you guys are correct, who esle is there? None of the other cases are strong either. The one of those I might support is Fayul but that is a gamble too. We just do not have all that much to go on.
I am at a lose as to what we should do....Anyone want to even breach the subject of jc? Besides bringing up Az I have seen him lurking a few times. But still, no case there either.
It seems like some of us are looking for direction, so I re-skimmed the thread and did a rundown of my impressions of the living townspeople.
1. Fadeblue - Has done some good analysis and a lot of disagreeing with Aurorasparrow. Defended HR day one as just having a different playstyle. Anti-vigging chamber/sg, for the moment.
2. JCSuperstar - Hi! Uh, I was apparently wrong about Aurorasparrow and Hawkeye, but right about Puzzle and Azrael. Also, I put the original vote on Azrael on a hunch. I don't think the masons need vigging just yet.
3. RafaelK - Is apparently from the same comic as HR, and masons with armlx, as postal workers/pm watchers. Pointed a finger at armlx for giving false info about Hawkeye. Also played agressively against Hawkeye, but that makes sense in light of what armlx said. And Hawkeye was forced to vote him, twice.
4. Ljustus - As usual, asks good questions, but hasn't made a particular name for himself.
5. Cropcircles - Defended Puzzle on day 1. Argued against partial claims, then for them. Argues strongly against vigging chamber/sg. If they come up scum, I'd look at crop. Claimed a Sin City rolename.
6. Carrion Pigeons - Suspicious of HR and AS day one (like many of us were) but defended Puzzle until he went off the deep end. Pro-vigging chamber/sg.
7. Aurorasparrow - Was considered one of the scummiest players day 1, for suggesting mass claims and suggesting we lynch only the players with posting restrictions for the first 3 days. Was cleared by MJM/Hartigan. Against vigging the masons. Currently voting Fayul, based on post restriction.
8. Highroller - Very agressive in calling for mass partial claims and a lynch of Azrael day 1. Was "cleared" by a piece of paper we all got, which has no connection to our claimed cop. Strongly in favor of vigging the masons.
9. Axelrod - against vigging the masons. Asks good questions but has been less of a presence than usual.
10. Draygn Mage - Has been making very short posts with some suspicious votes, including one on RafK after he ratted on armlx. One wonders if DM has some outside info on this. Also put quick votes on Fayul and armlx with little explanation.
11. WellofLost Gnomes - Restricted to 7 posts per day. Was anti-Puzzle from the beginning of day 1. People suspected him on Day 1 of being Kevin, but the case on him is being postponed (it seems) until we know more info about how the daykiller operates. Was against lynching Az.
12. Crippled_Fist - One of three players voting armlx at the point Azrael was lynched. Not that that means much, but I can't think of much else to say about him. Pro-vigging chamber/sg.
13. Armlx - Postal worker mason with RafK, has claimed a generic rolename. Says he found a bloodsoaked note and a creepy aura in Hawkeye's room. Also, I don't like his vote against HR on day one--he argued that lynching HR would tell us Az's alignment. Pro-vigging of brother masons.
14. Sorryguy - Ex-con brother of chamber. A former cellmate made them get Az to vote HR. Used the same bad reasoning to vote HR on day 1.
15. Matjoeman - Claimed Hartigan, said AS was innocent, Az was scum. Obviously wrong on the second point.
16. Chamber - Brother of Sorryguy, claimed this in order to show Puzzle wasn't necessarily anti-town. Not much of a reason, imho. Currently voting for DM.
17. Fayul - Anti-Highroller on Day 1. Has sometime restriction that leaves her with only 10 posts and no vote. She didn't have it day 1, but she did day 2. Pro-vigging of brothers. Pro-lynch of Hawkeye before he died.
18. Rhinocero (replacing Einsteinmonkey) - EM flew under the radar mostly. Rhinocero hasn't done much yet except vote and unvote armlx.
That's it. I still think that armlx is our only lead with any solid evidence, and the only person we're likely to get a majority on by the deadline. I do have to say, though that rereading the thread has kicked up my suspicion of Dragyn_Mage. He's been voting left and right with little explanation.
FoS: Draygn_Mage. Vote stands on armlx.
Please let me know if I've left anything major out, or misrepresented someone.
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RafaelK, what strikes me as strange that I am also from the green comic. Except, my role NAME fits in perfectly with the flavor of my role ABILITY. For you to be a postal worker, even if it has nothing to do with your character, is weird. I'm not saying I'm doubting you, but it is unusual.
I have about 4 mins, so this will be a lot shorter then it should be, I'm sorry for wasting a post...but this information might be useful. in regards to the "green comic" I have a specfic role name as well, so it's a little Weird that RafaelK would have a more general name that doesn't fit in with his role...and Highroller, would your name just happen to involve:
A rainbow,
rats,
a slice of pizza,
angry pianos
Watching the supranos (sp?)
If it is, then you might have some info that could benifit the town regarding Raf, or vicea versa...Az not being lynched is awk...and haven't been in becuase I'm pretty sure the day was over...unless I posted in my sleep again...that's awk...(see manatap)
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I was going to do a pbpa on draygn but I know how annoying they are to read and my case was really only these 2 points so.
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I can't say I find any fault with the logic there, but I am somewhat reluctant to limit our search to 3 people as we could be wrong entirely and give the sk 3 days of safety.
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actually, I was thinking that if we were wrong entirely and picked 3 people who were not the SK, then there's a small chance that we'd get mafia in there somewhere. the point is moot though because I have no intentions of just focusing on you three or four.
yet you decide to attack fayul here:
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After reading a bit, I'm starting to think that fayul is Kevin. I just have a sneaking suspicion that Kevin can make a daykill if he wants, but if declines to daykill and instead gets a post restricion, he'll be investigated as innocent. After the issue with Puzzle, I was wondering why fayul would point out the fact that she claimed voteless BEFORE him today and the only thing I can think of is that she WANTS to be investigated tonight. vote fayul
That seems to be a clear contradiction.
And before that we had you say this:
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unvote Draygn_mage, vote RafaelK
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sorry, i didn't have time to post more than that. That vote is until we get some kind of reply from armlx. When I read Raf's post it sounded a lot like one of his bluffs in HS mafia.
which seems to contradict this:
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all right, I'll go along with an armlx lynch so long as we don't forget about fayul. unvote, vote armlx
oh and one last minor point, you tend to make a lot of posts like this:
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so now we have raf pointing at armlx and armlx saying it was raf's idea to go after hawkeye. we have people saying we should vig sorryguy and some saying we should vig chamber and some saying we shouldn't vig either. and a cop investigation that says the mod is scum. WTF
Which are just you saying what’s happening in the day, I’m sure they make you look like you’re contributing but you’re not when you post that.
You should also note how fast he has switched between both these votes even though they both seem to go against past things he has said.
5. Cropcircles - Defended Puzzle on day 1. Argued against partial claims, then for them. Argues strongly against vigging chamber/sg. If they come up scum, I'd look at crop. Claimed a Sin City rolename.
No. I claimed a generic role name.
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13. Armlx - Postal worker mason with RafK, has claimed a generic rolename. Says he found a bloodsoaked note and a creepy aura in Hawkeye's room. Also, I don't like his vote against HR on day one--he argued that lynching HR would tell us Az's alignment. Pro-vigging of brother masons.
Excellent point. If we believe that Az was forced to vote by scum, then this could easily be part of the attempted manipulation. Lynch a townie, then use it as evidence to set-up a mod lynch. I think I'm ready to Vote armlx
and Highroller, would your name just happen to involve:
A rainbow,
rats,
a slice of pizza,
angry pianos
Watching the supranos (sp?)
... I'm neither a box of Lucky Charms, a rodent, nor am I Super Mario. Of these three things, I can assure you. (I don't have the slightest idea what you're hinting at.)
Hrm... I thought I had already voted armlx but a quick review of the events since Azrael's lynch-that-wasn't proves otherwise. Vote armlx. So, if I'm not wrong, we should be looking at:
Yeah, I unvoted in my last post. Why do people not see an unvote unless it is immediately followed by a vote?
So, yeah I didn't notice Fayul's post when I made my last one. Everyone try to keep your avatar the same. I rely on those things.
I think that the case against armlx isn't a very good one, but it's the best one that we have. With the impending deadline, I doubt that we have time to find someone else that is even slightly scummy in an overt manner. vote armlx
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Oh, and Azrael: what happens at deadline? No lynch, person with most votes lynched, reduced majority to lynch, what?
The person with the most votes the soonest, "wins".
Official Vote Count:
8 Armlx-Rafaelk, Crippled_Fist, JCSuperstar, Fadeblue, Draygn_Mage, Cropcircles, Highroller, LJustus
1 Draygn_Mage-Chamber 1 Fayul-Aurorasparrow
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Az: so, say hypothetically 9 people all voted for someone else by the deadline, armlx would still be lynched?
I also claimed a Sin City rolename, if you'll recall, jcs.
I'm not really feeling the armlx lynch, though I suppose it doesn't make much difference at this point. Odds are too small of us getting someone else in the time we have. I'd be a lot happier going after either D_M or Fayul, though, if anyone wants to try. I just don't like "information" lynches, especially when I don't understand exactly what information we're supposed to be getting out of it.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
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God I love this game.
(Rhinocero unvoted)
Yeah, like I said, I'm pretty bad at this.
Well, as one might expect, voting for someone MIA does nothing. I think MIA is a special state for NPCs, effectively dead in terms of game mechanics, but still around for storyline purposes. Then again, this game has proven that anything you think is true may be proven wrong, and usually within about half a day, so who knows what tomorrow may bring...
Well, two more votes to end day...
Before that happens, RafaelK? Out of curiosity, which character are you? It'd probably be best you keep the hint really subtle, as I'd rather we keep the true name of the comic on the low in case someone tries to claim to be part of a comic they're not. Like, is there a particular color other than green that one might associate with your character?
I am really going to try and see if I can come up with something more solid before we hit deadline. I just fear I won't have the time. I fear it will require hours and hours of readling and thinking, as opposed to the scattered minutes I usually get during the day.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'll admit I am probably the best lynch, but more due to info gain rather then scumminess. Lynching RafK would do the same thing, but at this rate its prolly me (plus this game really, really confuses me). BTW, no need to lynch anyone today via majority. Deadline will give more discussion time.
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I am really going to try and see if I can come up with something more solid before we hit deadline. I just fear I won't have the time. I fear it will require hours and hours of readling and thinking, as opposed to the scattered minutes I usually get during the day.
If it really requires hours upon hours of reading and thinking, then odds are it's probably not a better case than the armlx one. Then again, we've got quite a few hours to play around with, so no pressure.
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Why does this look like veiled instructions to mafia cronies to me? Am I the only one that thought this?
Doubt it, although even if it were, it's irrelevant anyway. armlx is, more likely than not, going to be lynched. Don't see any way that the mafia could save him if he were one of their own.
1. Why you think a townie bodyguard would have a bloodsoaked note and a creepy aura?
2. Why you were even given this information, if all you do is check people's mail? Did your role pm imply you would sometimes get extra information?
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Even if I could see a mafia posing as a cop to implicate a townie, there's no friggin way I could see a mafia posing as a cop to implicate the mod. I don't think there's a case against MJM
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Even though Dwight's not dead, I can't imagine lynching him was a good thing. I could imagine him coming back as scum.
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You know there could be many different explanations for this, right?
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Kevin for some reason either can't or hasn't killed today.
Miho was a mason with some other of the girls who all had role info that Az was infact Dwight. I seem to recall them knowing him well. When I came out and said that Az=scum, which she knew to be incorrect, she tried to vig me.
I really want there to be a better lynch than armlx.
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vote fayul
Oh! I've got a better theory though. SorryGuy and chamber forced Miho to kill you, except they don't know that they did because the mafia are acting through them without them knowing!
... Matjoeman, c'mon. A theory is a hypothesis supported by evidence. What you're proposing is a random guess.
RafaelK, what strikes me as strange that I am also from the green comic. Except, my role NAME fits in perfectly with the flavor of my role ABILITY. For you to be a postal worker, even if it has nothing to do with your character, is weird. I'm not saying I'm doubting you, but it is unusual.
Is armlx a character from the green comic as well?
No clue. Maybe its that Az is crazy.
I go to drop off people's mail as a postman. I saw this as I dropped off his mail and checked it for mod letters.
BTW, I have no specific role name, just a basic postman.
Just for clarification: You have no specific role name, but RafaelK does. Am I correct here?
I think he's been acting fairly scummy this game. I don't have time to support that with evidence yet, but I'll get on it as soon as I have the chance.
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Thats a bit too speculative, I think; I didn't see any push against voting Azrael and killing you for something like that is a bit crazy. It could happen, but I think its assuming too much.
I agree.
You know, Fayul's "restriction" is just as questionable as Puzzle's, and yet nobody has called her on it. It's way too easy to fake and doesn't attract any attention.
vote fayul
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I'll tell you what: Barring unforseen circumstances, I will be unrestricted tommorow. You can inverstigate me after that. Or investigate me today. Whatever. Besides, I haven't watched Sin City, but s there any possiblity at all that Kevin could ever come up Innocent?
Dragyn: I calimed voteless before Puzzle to -prove I'm not part of any cult-. Hell, I dooubt there even IS a cult: what evidence do we have that there was more than one pacifist?
That's 5 posts, by the way, so try not to specifically adress me and force me to respond to ludicrous theorys as that. I have a perfectly valid reason for restriction and unrestriction, and fishing for it is rather scummy when I have straight-up aid that it would not be in the town's favor for the mafia to know this.
If there was a cult, Puzzle would have been at the head of it. The fact that you have a similar restriction doesn't help you. However, the only way I could see you being a member of such a cult is that the cult leader's restriction is his alone, not his recruits', but when he died, he passed that leadership onto you. That seems pretty far-fetched, since the power-level of such a cult would be very high, though.
As for you being Kevin, I'm not inclined to think that Kevin's role would change a whole lot over the course of the game, and you've already demonstrated that you don't have a permanent restiction that would link you to Kevin the way Puzzle did.
Not that that clear you, or anything, but we don't have anything approaching evidence on you. We need to look elsewhere, I think, for now, but I think we need to keep an eye on you in the future.
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I was using theory in the non-literal commonly spoken sense.
I seriously doubt Fayul is either Kevin or cult.
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unvote. My eye is still on Matjoeman though.
Right now, I'm far more suspicious of D_M, based on his last few posts. He doesn't seem to be contributing anything of substance to the discussion, and most of his recent posts have been one- or two-liners.
Before that, wasn't he the one who was advocating the pre-set order of folks to line up for a lynch in three consecutive days? Or was that AS?
Regardless, his behavior has been drastically different from any other game I've seen him play in. While it's possible that he has a posting restriction that he can't use more than, say, 500 words per day, it looks more like he's trying to stay under the radar.
He'd be a good investigation target, I think, if a cop feels like it. Or we could even lynch him, if we feel like armlx oughtn't die today.
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I'm not necessarily supporting his theory. I'm just saying your post restriction is convenient in the same way that chamber/sorryguy's claim is convenient, and you havent drawn any fire for it.
He eats the bodies of "unclean" people to purify himself, so I suppose so.
I really don't think there's a cult.
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The SPECULATION that is about to occur is merely speculation. I speculate that perhaps our SK actually does no killing - rather, he or she hires others to do their dirty work for them, thus changing the kill method every day (and perhaps coming up innocent?). However, I don't know how the flavor of this would work out, not being that familiar with the milieu (sp?).
You certainly seem rather eager here, but I do see where you are coming from here. Certainly, I think DM is being overly agressive here, and his speculation on Fayul propbably isn't worth a vote. Unvote on armlx for the time being.
Frankly, I'm very happy with armlx being the lynch today. There's no guarantees at all that matjoe will live to investigate him and talk about it. Indeed, I just remembered that Hawkeye implied he'd been roleblocked, so chances are we have a scum roleblocker. That reduces the odds of an investigation getting us somewhere to about nothing. If we don't lynch armlx, we'll be right back here tomorrow morning wondering about him.
Unless armlx can explain to us how it's credible that Hawkeye, Town Bodyguard would have a creepy aura and a gnawed-on bloody note, I think he's the best choice for this lynch.
There's a lot of detail been put into this game- note how matjoe said he saw in his inspection scene that Azrael had a gun? And then in Azrael's "lynch" scene we found out that he did have a gun but it was unloaded? "The mod is crazy" is not a reason for the townie bodyguard to give a creepy aura. vote stands on armlx.
The only thing I see against Fayul is her inability to vote today, and she says she'll get that ability back, so I think we can wait to see if that's true or not.
Oh, and Azrael: what happens at deadline? No lynch, person with most votes lynched, reduced majority to lynch, what?
I'll vote armlx.
I understand that some people don't think armlx is the right lynch, but I have yet to see any better alternatives.
unvote, vote armlx
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Although, when you say "vig," I have to say no (assuming "vig" means pro-town). There's no reason a pro-town vig would try to kill a claimed cop right after he comes out. It could still be some type of neutral/SK, but like I said, there's not enough information for us to sort everything out yet.
Yes but Miho would know that Dwight wasn't scum (I'm just trying to think of an explanation that sounds like something the mod would actually do, as opposed to somebody with a slight post restriction kills through other people).
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I don't see how that justifies daykilling a claimed cop before more information is gathered.
Or somebody with a slight post restriction killing by himself/herself?
Seriously, there's way too little information for us to make an educated guess about what has happened here. Untestable conjecture isn't going to help us.
1. Lynch armlx.
2. Find somebody else to lynch.
I want to go with 2, but as of now I don't see anyone.
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Really, really poor judgment if so. I guess it can't be entirely ruled out if the vig had inside knowledge that Az was clear as you speculated.
I just pointed out that investigation (from matjoe, anyway) is very unlikely between the possibility of death and the possibility of roleblock, so it clears you completely that you're willing to be investigated! Only not.
I'm sure there are better choices.
Also:
Vote: Azrael This is just to see what, if anything, happens. Don't read more into it.
I'm voting armlx due to the potential information we gain from lynching him. Not to mention his questionable information about HAWKEYE, which is as of yet unexplained.
Yes, we keep hearing about these "better choices," but no one can actually name who those better choices are. Or, for the couple of people who have named other players, there has been a failure to back up their choices with a case. Is there something I'm missing here?
Let's also not forget that Az has already set a deadline for Wednesday.
It worries me to have one of our information roles so easily grabbing at straws.
The thing is, Matjoeman, we can think all we want, but none of us have any kind of evidence to distinguish one theory from the other. (Or, at least most likely none of us do. This day has taught us that you never know what someone might turn out to know.)
With Azrael down, we see cases against:
armlx: supported by RafaelK's information
RafaelK: in reaction to his voting armlx
fayul: On the grounds that she might be Kevin
draygn_mage: In reaction to his voting fayul
armlx, to me, is the only one that actually has any evidence. Not to mention it will yield a good amount of information. armlx has confirmed the PMs he has been accused of sending as opposed to denying them, but has not given any kind of justification for them, and shows no sign of ever doing so, claiming ignorance. If we're going to vote someone based on suspicious actions, I think armlx is as good a bet as we're going to find.
Axelrod: While I too am growing weary of how long the days are lasting in this game, I fail to see what better case out there it is that you site.
Somebody asked if Kevin could come up as innocent upon inspection. Hard to say. Kevin is protected by the Roarkes. The Roarkes own Sin City. They therefore own the police. Then again, Hartigan's a good cop. And Kevin's a murdering cannibal. So I don't think there's any possibility of Kevin coming up innocent from Hartigan's inspections. From there, in Azrael we trust.
But you guys are correct, who esle is there? None of the other cases are strong either. The one of those I might support is Fayul but that is a gamble too. We just do not have all that much to go on.
I am at a lose as to what we should do....Anyone want to even breach the subject of jc? Besides bringing up Az I have seen him lurking a few times. But still, no case there either.
1. Fadeblue - Has done some good analysis and a lot of disagreeing with Aurorasparrow. Defended HR day one as just having a different playstyle. Anti-vigging chamber/sg, for the moment.
2. JCSuperstar - Hi! Uh, I was apparently wrong about Aurorasparrow and Hawkeye, but right about Puzzle and Azrael. Also, I put the original vote on Azrael on a hunch. I don't think the masons need vigging just yet.
3. RafaelK - Is apparently from the same comic as HR, and masons with armlx, as postal workers/pm watchers. Pointed a finger at armlx for giving false info about Hawkeye. Also played agressively against Hawkeye, but that makes sense in light of what armlx said. And Hawkeye was forced to vote him, twice.
4. Ljustus - As usual, asks good questions, but hasn't made a particular name for himself.
5. Cropcircles - Defended Puzzle on day 1. Argued against partial claims, then for them. Argues strongly against vigging chamber/sg. If they come up scum, I'd look at crop. Claimed a Sin City rolename.
6. Carrion Pigeons - Suspicious of HR and AS day one (like many of us were) but defended Puzzle until he went off the deep end. Pro-vigging chamber/sg.
7. Aurorasparrow - Was considered one of the scummiest players day 1, for suggesting mass claims and suggesting we lynch only the players with posting restrictions for the first 3 days. Was cleared by MJM/Hartigan. Against vigging the masons. Currently voting Fayul, based on post restriction.
8. Highroller - Very agressive in calling for mass partial claims and a lynch of Azrael day 1. Was "cleared" by a piece of paper we all got, which has no connection to our claimed cop. Strongly in favor of vigging the masons.
9. Axelrod - against vigging the masons. Asks good questions but has been less of a presence than usual.
10. Draygn Mage - Has been making very short posts with some suspicious votes, including one on RafK after he ratted on armlx. One wonders if DM has some outside info on this. Also put quick votes on Fayul and armlx with little explanation.
11. WellofLost Gnomes - Restricted to 7 posts per day. Was anti-Puzzle from the beginning of day 1. People suspected him on Day 1 of being Kevin, but the case on him is being postponed (it seems) until we know more info about how the daykiller operates. Was against lynching Az.
12. Crippled_Fist - One of three players voting armlx at the point Azrael was lynched. Not that that means much, but I can't think of much else to say about him. Pro-vigging chamber/sg.
13. Armlx - Postal worker mason with RafK, has claimed a generic rolename. Says he found a bloodsoaked note and a creepy aura in Hawkeye's room. Also, I don't like his vote against HR on day one--he argued that lynching HR would tell us Az's alignment. Pro-vigging of brother masons.
14. Sorryguy - Ex-con brother of chamber. A former cellmate made them get Az to vote HR. Used the same bad reasoning to vote HR on day 1.
15. Matjoeman - Claimed Hartigan, said AS was innocent, Az was scum. Obviously wrong on the second point.
16. Chamber - Brother of Sorryguy, claimed this in order to show Puzzle wasn't necessarily anti-town. Not much of a reason, imho. Currently voting for DM.
17. Fayul - Anti-Highroller on Day 1. Has sometime restriction that leaves her with only 10 posts and no vote. She didn't have it day 1, but she did day 2. Pro-vigging of brothers. Pro-lynch of Hawkeye before he died.
18. Rhinocero (replacing Einsteinmonkey) - EM flew under the radar mostly. Rhinocero hasn't done much yet except vote and unvote armlx.
That's it. I still think that armlx is our only lead with any solid evidence, and the only person we're likely to get a majority on by the deadline. I do have to say, though that rereading the thread has kicked up my suspicion of Dragyn_Mage. He's been voting left and right with little explanation.
FoS: Draygn_Mage. Vote stands on armlx.
Please let me know if I've left anything major out, or misrepresented someone.
I have about 4 mins, so this will be a lot shorter then it should be, I'm sorry for wasting a post...but this information might be useful. in regards to the "green comic" I have a specfic role name as well, so it's a little Weird that RafaelK would have a more general name that doesn't fit in with his role...and Highroller, would your name just happen to involve:
A rainbow,
rats,
a slice of pizza,
angry pianos
Watching the supranos (sp?)
If it is, then you might have some info that could benifit the town regarding Raf, or vicea versa...Az not being lynched is awk...and haven't been in becuase I'm pretty sure the day was over...unless I posted in my sleep again...that's awk...(see manatap)
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yet you decide to attack fayul here:
That seems to be a clear contradiction.
And before that we had you say this:
which seems to contradict this:
oh and one last minor point, you tend to make a lot of posts like this:
Which are just you saying what’s happening in the day, I’m sure they make you look like you’re contributing but you’re not when you post that.
You should also note how fast he has switched between both these votes even though they both seem to go against past things he has said.
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Excellent point. If we believe that Az was forced to vote by scum, then this could easily be part of the attempted manipulation. Lynch a townie, then use it as evidence to set-up a mod lynch. I think I'm ready to Vote armlx
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... I'm neither a box of Lucky Charms, a rodent, nor am I Super Mario. Of these three things, I can assure you. (I don't have the slightest idea what you're hinting at.)
Hrm... I thought I had already voted armlx but a quick review of the events since Azrael's lynch-that-wasn't proves otherwise. Vote armlx. So, if I'm not wrong, we should be looking at:
Unofficial Vote Count:
8 Armlx-Rafaelk, Crippled_Fist, JCSuperstar, Rhinocero, fadeblue, draygn_mage, CropCircles, Highroller
1 Matjoeman-LJustus
1 Fayul-aurorasparrow
1 Azrael-Axelrod
1 draygn_mage-chamber
So, yeah I didn't notice Fayul's post when I made my last one. Everyone try to keep your avatar the same. I rely on those things.
I think that the case against armlx isn't a very good one, but it's the best one that we have. With the impending deadline, I doubt that we have time to find someone else that is even slightly scummy in an overt manner. vote armlx
Unofficial Vote Count:
9 Armlx-Rafaelk, Crippled_Fist, JCSuperstar, Rhinocero, fadeblue, draygn_mage, CropCircles, Highroller, LJustus
1 Fayul-aurorasparrow
1 Azrael-Axelrod
1 draygn_mage-chamber
One more vote will end the day.
The person with the most votes the soonest, "wins".
Official Vote Count:
8 Armlx-Rafaelk, Crippled_Fist, JCSuperstar, Fadeblue, Draygn_Mage, Cropcircles, Highroller, LJustus
1 Draygn_Mage-Chamber
1 Fayul-Aurorasparrow
1 Glaring at the door, looking around furtively, and muttering under his breath-Axelrod
7 Not Voting: Fayul, SorryGuy, Matjoeman, Armlx, Carrion Pigeons, WoLG, Rhinocero
10 to lynch.
(Rhinocero unvoted)
I also claimed a Sin City rolename, if you'll recall, jcs.
I'm not really feeling the armlx lynch, though I suppose it doesn't make much difference at this point. Odds are too small of us getting someone else in the time we have. I'd be a lot happier going after either D_M or Fayul, though, if anyone wants to try. I just don't like "information" lynches, especially when I don't understand exactly what information we're supposed to be getting out of it.
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As long as no one voting for Armlx unvoted, yes.
God I love this game.
Yeah, like I said, I'm pretty bad at this.
Well, as one might expect, voting for someone MIA does nothing. I think MIA is a special state for NPCs, effectively dead in terms of game mechanics, but still around for storyline purposes. Then again, this game has proven that anything you think is true may be proven wrong, and usually within about half a day, so who knows what tomorrow may bring...
Well, two more votes to end day...
Before that happens, RafaelK? Out of curiosity, which character are you? It'd probably be best you keep the hint really subtle, as I'd rather we keep the true name of the comic on the low in case someone tries to claim to be part of a comic they're not. Like, is there a particular color other than green that one might associate with your character?
Well, armlx's lynch looks inevitable, but I'd rather wait it out if some discussion happens.
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25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
I am really going to try and see if I can come up with something more solid before we hit deadline. I just fear I won't have the time. I fear it will require hours and hours of readling and thinking, as opposed to the scattered minutes I usually get during the day.
Why does this look like veiled instructions to mafia cronies to me? Am I the only one that thought this?
@jcsuperstar - It's because he voted Azrael, who, of course, is no longer in the game.
If it really requires hours upon hours of reading and thinking, then odds are it's probably not a better case than the armlx one. Then again, we've got quite a few hours to play around with, so no pressure.
Doubt it, although even if it were, it's irrelevant anyway. armlx is, more likely than not, going to be lynched. Don't see any way that the mafia could save him if he were one of their own.
Not so much a colour as a piece of sporting equipment.
And you?
The mafia can talk during the day so they wouldn't do this.
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