This game is really screwy. Then again Az told us it would be so I guess I am not surprised. It is time for Az to die and his defense is not all that cunning but I would like to point this out. How the hell can he be mafia. The hosting part and him knowing power roles in one thing, but if he is mafia I am sure he made it part of the rules he would not tell the other scum who they were. That is not the problem. The problem is if JC had never jokingly voted Az how would we have ever suspected him? How would we have ever known to investigate him?
It comes to Day 6 and all non-Az mafia are dead. We start lynching each other but the nightkills keep coming. It would make it impossible for us to win. He has to be a non-aligned miller, if you ask me. So why did I bring this up now that he is pretty much dead? Because he said the powerful alley line. Meh. I do not expect us to not lynch him but it is something to think about.
Given how Sorryguy/chamber have progressively grown more suspicious and admitted to keeping back more and more information from the town throughout the day, and the fact that everyone playing in this game has thusfar shown a strong opinion regarding the case, whether it be for or against, vig killing one of them will be a large step in leading us to the mafia. I see no reason why the vig shouldn't take one of them down.
Is that right? We are acting scummy too? I missed that news brief, apparntly the rest of the town did too. Then again maybe you aren't part of that group, eh? Or is this just another part of your agressive play?
"I, Dwight McCarthy, have not been, am not, and never will be a member of the mafia. Doubt me? Go read some comics. Watch a good movie. Then get back to me."
But then, a mod who could also just tell us who all the mafia are would make the game pointless.
Which is why it's hard to conceive of him being a powerful ally for the town. Passive town? Kind of pointless, but theoretically possible. Powerful town? No.
Might as well see what we can get while waiting for Rhino.
"What powerful thing is it that you can do for the folk of this town, Dwight McCarthy?"
Um, yeah. And why did you tell us not to trust you right at the beginning? How do you expect us to believe you now? That does not seem very smart on your part, does it?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Sorry it took me so long. reading. and getting distracted by my semi-add-ness.
VOTE: Rhinocero.
I am somewhat leery of lynching Azrael, because that would mean the mod is lying to us. And that just messes with the entire game, you know what I mean? However, I support you in ending this day, I guess, and the evidence is pretty iron-clad.
In terms of Armlx - Probably scum, to my mind - a liar and trying to make a townie look scummy.
In terms of SG/Chamber - I suppose vigging them is acceptable, though I don't think it will do much good.
"Beats the hell out of me. I'm just trying to hold this place together long enough so you guys can figure that out."
*Sigh* Very well, lynching it is then.
Good, Rhinocero has responded. Let's see how that turns out, and hopefully we can see once and for all just what happens when a person gets lynched in his own game.
So I just rented the movie... lots of blood. And boobies. And wounding of the genitals.
It turns out that Dwight, in the movie, wears RED SNEAKERS. Why has no one else noticed this? Also, he seems to be a pretty good guy, in the movie. I didn't catch anything about him changing his face, though.
Hartigan, on the other hand, is a really really good guy, and a smart cop. I don't think he would get anything wrong. So I'm not sure where that leaves us. My vote stays on armlx, for now.
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So, it seems to me that we are faced with a choice of lynching our mod or lynching a claimed cop who claims that an investigation of the mod has come back with a 'scum' indication. Question though. . . did the result say 'mafia'? If this has been said already, please forgive me, but I think it is pretty important.
If we think that our best move is to lynch the mod, we need to think about the results. As I see it, there are 4 ways that the mod could be listed upon death. . . town, scum, neutral, or inconclusive. What happens in each case? I guess we can leave that to tomorrow.
unvote for now. I want to hear more details about the investigation result. I'll also look back to see if the answers I'm looking for are already available (and start working on my spreadsheet).
It turns out that Dwight, in the movie, wears RED SNEAKERS. Why has no one else noticed this? Also, he seems to be a pretty good guy, in the movie. I didn't catch anything about him changing his face, though.
Dude, I've been saying that like the entire game: Guy in red sneakers = Dwight. The thing we must consider, however, is matjoeman found Azrael to be "scum", in his own words. This supercedes anything flavor-wise about Azrael's role. It is not out of the question that Azrael would transform a good role into a bad role for the purposes of his game, especially when he told us specifically not to trust him.
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Anyway, isn't there an actual flavor reason for Dwight to be a miller? I mean, apparently Hartigan wouldn't know whether Dwight is a good guy or not due to a lack of personal experience, so if he sees Dwight's face on wanted posters he's logically going to assume the guy criminal. But, according to the experts, despite being wanted by the police Dwight's still a good guy in the story. I may dwell into too much speculation here without having seen the movie/read the comics myself, but that's the picture I'm getting.
Ok, I don't know what a miller is. At first I thought miller meant Frank Miller, but the lack of capitalization depicts otherwise.
Look, I understand that you guys are a bit apprehensive about doing this, but we need to ignore what Azrael roleclaimed. Forget about Dwight's alignment in the movie/comic series. Forget all of the flavor associated with Dwight. What we KNOW for absolute certainty is that a person who claims to be an inspector found Azrael mafia. If this were any other game, what would be the next logical proceeding? Lynch Azrael, obviously. It is necessary course of action to prove the validity of an investigative role. Why, then, would we not proceed in this matter now?
In my opinion, all of the flavor associated with Dwight is made null in the face of the fact that an investigative role has found him "scum". It would be foolish not to lynch him, because whether Azrael be found guilty or innocent, a great deal of information would be made available to the town.
Vote stands. Not to mention that I can't think of an alternative choice. I think I can state as a fact as opposed to personal opinion that there is no suspect here more likely to be mafia than Azrael given the evidence we currently have. Can anyone, then, give me a valid reason why we should not lynch Azrael?
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Alright, I think with Rhinocero voting, we've proven that there are no recruits for any kind of a pacifism cult... As though that were the last of our worries.
2 more votes for Azrael to be lynched. C'mon people, let's end this day.
Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, the wisdom to know the difference, and a ****ing chainsaw.
4 Not Voting: Aurorasparrow, Fayul, Fadeblue, SorryGuy
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The crowd is agreed. It's time to lynch that Dwight McCarthy guy!! You heft your weapons, grin with anticipation, and-
...wait a minute...
Where is the man in red sneakers, anyways?
You look around the room. Not sitting on the floor anymore.
Not hiding in the crowd.
You check the rest of the town hall. Not hiding anywhere else you can see, either.
Finally, someone discovers a trap door hidden behind the city council's crescent-shaped audience table.
Chamber remembers him bending down behind it to tie his shoe, supposedly, and that was the last anyone saw of him.
You try opening the trap door, but it's locked on the inside. Of course, that's not much of an obstacle to this group. After a few minutes of smashing, bashing, sawing, and weapons fire, the trap door opens to reveal a tiny gap, strewn with wiring, ventilation ducts, and piping, between the floor and the ceiling of the room below. And off to the right, you can see a shaft of pale daylight.
Moving closer, you find the remains of some splintered wooden boards, a long length of rope extending out of a hole into the outside world, which has been set on fire from below. And in the distance, you can see a dark figure with red sneakers smoking a cigarette, snapping shut a lighter, and insolently waving goodbye.
Until he recoils from the impact of a bullet passing through his body. Matjoeman puts his gun barrel to his lips and blows away imaginary smoke.
An amazing shot at that distance, you're surprised anyone was able to manage it. Unfortunately, you can glimpse him ducking into an alleyway, holding his left shoulder and bleeding profusely.
But reluctantly, you have to conclude that without a confirmed kill, you'll need to find someone else to take his place. The deal was one death per day, and so far, no one's dead, that you can see.
But first, you search his room for any clues to his identity.
Hmm. About a half-dozen pairs of red sneakers. A box of matches from someplace called "Kadie's". An unloaded gun, but no ammunition.
By all signs, Dwight McCarthy was exactly who he said he was. An honest guy, with no way to kill or harm anyone except with his bare hands. (Townie)
After that, you move on to other business. Someone manages to find some mortar squirreled away in one of the closets, left over from one of the aborted renovations of the town hall. It's not hard to find loose bricks, either. Before long, the hole in the wall is repaired. No one else is getting out that way. You don't think anyone could survive the fall, now that the rope is gone, but it doesn't hurt to be safe.
You return to the town hall. You're still disgusted he got away, disgusted he was telling the truth, and disgusted at yourselves for being wrong about him. And when you're in a bad mood, somebody usually ends up paying for it before too long.
You glance out the window. The sun is beginning its descent. You're running out of time.
Deadline is set for Wednesday, January 11th, at 11:30 P.M. EST.
Dead: 1. DYH-Townie Lunatic/Roleblocker/Investigator. Slashed to ribbons on Day One.
2. Kenji-Townie Paranoid. Died of a sudden heart attack day one. (Modkill)
3. Puzzle- Neutral Pacifist. Lynched by the town day one.
4. Bateleur-Townie, the Doctor's Daugher. Throat slashed night two.
5. Hawkeye7-Townie Bodyguard. Sliced and diced by ninja stars day 2.
MIA:
1. Dwight McCarthy-Townie Mod Persona. Chased out of town, shot, and possibly killed, day 2.
While the rest of the crowd heads back to the debate, you notice a ravishing woman in a red dress, her elbows resting on the window sill, facing the alley where Dwight escaped. Someone who kept to herself most of the time, never taking part, rarely showing herself at all. She's facing the window, a callous look in her crazy-calm eyes. You step closer, by her side, her cigarette smoke mixing with your breath.
It's Dwight. He's back at the mouth of the alley, edging away from something. He looks like he's seen a ghost. He's arguing with someone. There's a brief glimpse of something green, moving fast. Then, Dwight is jerked back into the alley. You never see him after that.
I am Hartigan, the cop. I did not write that message last night.
First of all I can get chamber's or SG's role info but it would cost me 2 of my night investigations so I'm not sure if it's worth it. Because every night I get a point, and I can at night spend a point to get someones alignment, or at day spend 2 points to get someones alignment/role name/abilities.
Second of all I know that 1. AS is town or godfather. 2. Az is scum. He was my better lynch target.
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Now I did get definite results on Az and AS. It gave me the flavor, and then the exact alignment in parentheses. Althought it did mention that he changed his face.
Matjoeman, can you give us any reason why we shouldn't lynch you right now?
because its utter foolishness for a mafia to claim cop then label someone as scum?
aurorasparrow, your ability to think that everyone in the entire game is town inspite of overwhelming evidence against is becoming infuriating.
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Azrael was a miller ****.
What is a miller?
The only thing I can think of to explain this is that Matjoeman pulled a bluff, claiming inspector and attempting to get Azrael lynched given that I don't think anyone actually thought that Azrael would be town. But there are some holes in that theory I can't explain. Anyway, it's time for Matjoeman to fess up to what the hell's going on.
I'm beginning to suspect chamber/SG/Matjoeman as a mafia triumverate that decided that this would be the game to try ALL the wacky claims they could think of.
I don't think this is really likely, but I don't believe any of their claims. As far as Matjoeman, I believe that he lied because he thought Az would come up Neutral (like an SK would) and be seen by us as scum. Then, he would 'investigate' players with little result.
So, is he mafia or SK. I guess we have to look at the daykill attempt on his life and try to figure that out from context. I believe that he is mafia and we have at least one day-killing SK. If he claimed cop as a SK, he would be the first target for the mafia.
I don't think there's anything that will change my vote, but we will see. This game has already been full of twists. I assume the future holds the same.
Well, that was unexpected. The question that first comes to mind is, what the heck is the point of a role that offers no contribution to any side, including his own? The fact that he's MIA is worrisome, especially in that context. Does that just mean he's still the mod, but no longer a player, or that we've just pushed his player-ness to another level?
HR: While I agree with you about AS in general, this time I'm going to have to side with him. It would be such enormously bad play for MJM to claim cop without any basis that I can't see him doing it. It's very possible that Az was a miller, after all, though the fact that his death didn't end the day makes you wonder what the point of it was.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
HR: While I agree with you about AS in general, this time I'm going to have to side with him. It would be such enormously bad play for MJM to claim cop without any basis that I can't see him doing it. It's very possible that Az was a miller, after all, though the fact that his death didn't end the day makes you wonder what the point of it was.
That's exactly why I stated there were holes in my theory. I'm running through explanations in my head, but nothing can fully explain what is going on. I must say that I am floored as to Azrael's ability to create this game. Never has anything been so confusing.
I guess the only thing we can do is wait until Matjoeman's testimony before continuing on. Hopefully we might be able to catch a mafia yet.
Firstly, let me say that eve nif we lose horribly with no scum dead, I consider this game a success. We lynched the mod. Seriously. That is the best thing that has ever happened in a game of Mafia.
On a more serious note:
The disappearance of Dwight and the necessity for another lynch is quite frustrating. On first glance Matjoeman would appear to be the logical suspect here. However, from what I can tell of the flavor of Dwight he would be a miller, as many have said, so MJM probably is a cop as he says, and I would not dwell on him.
Other leads to pursue - (Sorryguychamber) and Armlx appear to be the main leads. in terms of (SGC) I tend to think them if not townies at least not dangerous to us at the moment. In other words, I tend to believe them inasmuch as they are not Mafia at the moment. In terms of their mechanism for turning, the one they suggest seems logical. For game balance, the mechanism must cause at least one of them to die (turning two townies into scum at once seems unbalanced), and making that assumption, lynching is the logical kill method for two reasons - one, turning via nightkill would make them immediate scum targets as soon as they claim, and two, from a flavor perspective it seems unlikely that a brother would join the mafia in order to get revenge for his brother's death to the mafia. Thus, I don't think lynching them or even really vigging them is in order - in other words, I believer them.
As regards Armlx, he is my top-priority choice at the moment. The fact that he seems to have faked his investigation result in order to cast HE, a now-confirmed townie, as an SK in a manner that seems inconsistent with his role really makes me suspect him. Furthermore, as he seems to have messed up with Axelrod's investigation, well... VOTE: Armlx.
One question - why did MJM investigate Azrael (the mod) night one? If that's what he did, of course, I'm probably mis-interperting the actions here.
But I just would think it unlikely for Kevin to be a mason-type role.
Again, we don't know Kevin's the daykiller. The first day the daykiller killed in a manner resembling Kevin's method of killing. The second day involved ninja stars, which Kevin never used. Make of this what you will, as with most things in this game I'm at a loss for information.
I have no idea where to go from here. Matjoeman should never make that play as scum. Ever. And I don't think we would. I think Az is a miller but I do not know.
The whole armlx thing I am not really fitting. I mean, the things he found in the room could be there I guess. And that is pretty much...the whole case, isn't it?
Right now, you will never guess, I am getting bad vibes from Highroller. Him "having a different type of play because he plays on 'News" is not going to hold up the same day. I do not care how he plays there, all I know is that his actions have been rather scummy in my eyes.
I had a bad feeling about this as soon as I found out that Dwight was Clive Owens. Dwight being a miller to Hartigan would fit perfectly flavorwise. It's probably as simple as Dwight is the only (or one of a few) miller.
Now him being MIA is good I guess. Maybe if we somehow make a mafia go MIA, Dwight will appear and take him out.
Frankly I have no idea who to lynch. The case against Armlx is really stretched flavorwise.
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One question - why did MJM investigate Azrael (the mod) night one? If that's what he did, of course, I'm probably mis-interperting the actions here.
I investigated them both night 2.
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So, it seems to me that we are faced with a choice of lynching our mod or lynching a claimed cop who claims that an investigation of the mod has come back with a 'scum' indication.
Or we could go on the fact that Dwight was a miller and not lynch me.
I still haven't heard any flavor on armlx's or RafK's roles.
Thought I said in my original post. The flavour is that we both work for the town postal service. He hasn't given me a role name to my knowledge. My role name is from the "green" comic and has nothing whatsoever to do with being a postman as far as I know, so I'm quite comfortable with people having abilities disconnected from their rolenames.
As far as the cult goes, let's not forget that Fayul could have been recruited. Although that should become apparant if she doesn't get her vote back within a couple of days.
So...is it possible that it is the SK who is killing at night, and the mafia kills during the day? Or maybe it's one big super-powered scum group? I guess we'll have to wait for a few more deaths to figure it out.
A large mafia group with a daykill every day is simply not believable. Do you have any idea how powerful they would be? They would never have to worry about docs screwing up their plans, nor would they have to worry about watcher roles.
Of course, it's true that in this game, there was someone who could prevent a daykill in Hawkeye, obv, but that merely serves to show how powerful the ability is in general.
Anyway, do we have a lynch target at the moment? People were going after armlx earlier, but I'm not sure why (or if) that petered out. And I'm too tired to go back and read. It is 4:30 in the morning, after all. Puzzle lives six or so time zomes ahead of me - what do you think?
Never mind. This is the game where Puzzle was the wierd neutral thing.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
As far as I can tell, armlx is the only lead we have, so vote armlx. Not quite sure what else to say at this point. Unless anyone decides to hit the town with some new revelation, the day seems to have hit a dead end.
1. I did not screw up Axelrods investigation. It was him that misinterpreted my posts to think it was the wrong night (the no kill one rather then last night). So me putting up honest results will get me lynched....
2. Role flavor is that we are postmen who drop off letters (PM's). When we drop them off we sneak a peak for any "official" (mod) letters.
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Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone
To the well organized mind, death is but the next great adventure.
Dwight would fit the flavor perfectly, aside from some time line descrepences.
Maybe he's Frodo.
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It comes to Day 6 and all non-Az mafia are dead. We start lynching each other but the nightkills keep coming. It would make it impossible for us to win. He has to be a non-aligned miller, if you ask me. So why did I bring this up now that he is pretty much dead? Because he said the powerful alley line. Meh. I do not expect us to not lynch him but it is something to think about.
Is that right? We are acting scummy too? I missed that news brief, apparntly the rest of the town did too. Then again maybe you aren't part of that group, eh? Or is this just another part of your agressive play?
Yeah, that is true. And yeah you are right...
Well that was torn to threads quickly but I still have a little misgivings about this. I don't know...=/
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*shrugs*
"Beats the hell out of me. I'm just trying to hold this place together long enough so you guys can figure that out."
But then, a mod who could also just tell us who all the mafia are would make the game pointless.
Which is why it's hard to conceive of him being a powerful ally for the town. Passive town? Kind of pointless, but theoretically possible. Powerful town? No.
Might as well see what we can get while waiting for Rhino.
"What powerful thing is it that you can do for the folk of this town, Dwight McCarthy?"
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VOTE: Rhinocero.
I am somewhat leery of lynching Azrael, because that would mean the mod is lying to us. And that just messes with the entire game, you know what I mean? However, I support you in ending this day, I guess, and the evidence is pretty iron-clad.
In terms of Armlx - Probably scum, to my mind - a liar and trying to make a townie look scummy.
In terms of SG/Chamber - I suppose vigging them is acceptable, though I don't think it will do much good.
*Sigh* Very well, lynching it is then.
Good, Rhinocero has responded. Let's see how that turns out, and hopefully we can see once and for all just what happens when a person gets lynched in his own game.
It turns out that Dwight, in the movie, wears RED SNEAKERS. Why has no one else noticed this? Also, he seems to be a pretty good guy, in the movie. I didn't catch anything about him changing his face, though.
Hartigan, on the other hand, is a really really good guy, and a smart cop. I don't think he would get anything wrong. So I'm not sure where that leaves us. My vote stays on armlx, for now.
If we think that our best move is to lynch the mod, we need to think about the results. As I see it, there are 4 ways that the mod could be listed upon death. . . town, scum, neutral, or inconclusive. What happens in each case? I guess we can leave that to tomorrow.
unvote for now. I want to hear more details about the investigation result. I'll also look back to see if the answers I'm looking for are already available (and start working on my spreadsheet).
Dude, I've been saying that like the entire game: Guy in red sneakers = Dwight. The thing we must consider, however, is matjoeman found Azrael to be "scum", in his own words. This supercedes anything flavor-wise about Azrael's role. It is not out of the question that Azrael would transform a good role into a bad role for the purposes of his game, especially when he told us specifically not to trust him.
Ok, I don't know what a miller is. At first I thought miller meant Frank Miller, but the lack of capitalization depicts otherwise.
Look, I understand that you guys are a bit apprehensive about doing this, but we need to ignore what Azrael roleclaimed. Forget about Dwight's alignment in the movie/comic series. Forget all of the flavor associated with Dwight. What we KNOW for absolute certainty is that a person who claims to be an inspector found Azrael mafia. If this were any other game, what would be the next logical proceeding? Lynch Azrael, obviously. It is necessary course of action to prove the validity of an investigative role. Why, then, would we not proceed in this matter now?
In my opinion, all of the flavor associated with Dwight is made null in the face of the fact that an investigative role has found him "scum". It would be foolish not to lynch him, because whether Azrael be found guilty or innocent, a great deal of information would be made available to the town.
Vote stands. Not to mention that I can't think of an alternative choice. I think I can state as a fact as opposed to personal opinion that there is no suspect here more likely to be mafia than Azrael given the evidence we currently have. Can anyone, then, give me a valid reason why we should not lynch Azrael?
Rhino has arrived, and voted. Vote Azreal
Claimed cop who was nearly killed beats all. (What HR said, but in less words)
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8 Azrael-Matjoeman, Highroller, Armlx, Carrion Pigeons, Draygn_Mage, Axelrod, Cropcircles, WoLG
3 Armlx-Rafaelk, Crippled_Fist, JCSuperstar
1 Rhinocero-Rhinocero
6 Not Voting: Aurorasparrow, Chamber, Fayul, Fadeblue, LJustus, SorryGuy
10 to Lynch.
2 more votes for Azrael to be lynched. C'mon people, let's end this day.
Vote : Azrael for the same reasons. I'm also afraid of the consequences *crosses fingers* I hope he's not a miller.
Town/Mafia/Other - 14/6/3
Win/Lose/Tie - 11/12/0
Nk/lynched/Survived - 16/4/3
Once again, Matjoeman, get your inspection in as quickly as possible. If anyone nightkills you before you do I don't think you'll be able to inspect.
Also, vig, once again target SorryGuy. If any situation requires a vig kill, this does. The amount of information we will gain is necessary.
10 Azrael-Matjoeman, Highroller, Armlx, Carrion Pigeons, Draygn_Mage, Axelrod, Cropcircles, WoLG, LJustus, Chamber
3 Armlx-Rafaelk, Crippled_Fist, JCSuperstar
1 Rhinocero-Rhinocero
4 Not Voting: Aurorasparrow, Fayul, Fadeblue, SorryGuy
10 to Lynch.
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The crowd is agreed. It's time to lynch that Dwight McCarthy guy!! You heft your weapons, grin with anticipation, and-
...wait a minute...
Where is the man in red sneakers, anyways?
You look around the room. Not sitting on the floor anymore.
Not hiding in the crowd.
You check the rest of the town hall. Not hiding anywhere else you can see, either.
Finally, someone discovers a trap door hidden behind the city council's crescent-shaped audience table.
Chamber remembers him bending down behind it to tie his shoe, supposedly, and that was the last anyone saw of him.
You try opening the trap door, but it's locked on the inside. Of course, that's not much of an obstacle to this group. After a few minutes of smashing, bashing, sawing, and weapons fire, the trap door opens to reveal a tiny gap, strewn with wiring, ventilation ducts, and piping, between the floor and the ceiling of the room below. And off to the right, you can see a shaft of pale daylight.
Moving closer, you find the remains of some splintered wooden boards, a long length of rope extending out of a hole into the outside world, which has been set on fire from below. And in the distance, you can see a dark figure with red sneakers smoking a cigarette, snapping shut a lighter, and insolently waving goodbye.
Until he recoils from the impact of a bullet passing through his body. Matjoeman puts his gun barrel to his lips and blows away imaginary smoke.
An amazing shot at that distance, you're surprised anyone was able to manage it. Unfortunately, you can glimpse him ducking into an alleyway, holding his left shoulder and bleeding profusely.
But reluctantly, you have to conclude that without a confirmed kill, you'll need to find someone else to take his place. The deal was one death per day, and so far, no one's dead, that you can see.
But first, you search his room for any clues to his identity.
Hmm. About a half-dozen pairs of red sneakers. A box of matches from someplace called "Kadie's". An unloaded gun, but no ammunition.
By all signs, Dwight McCarthy was exactly who he said he was. An honest guy, with no way to kill or harm anyone except with his bare hands. (Townie)
After that, you move on to other business. Someone manages to find some mortar squirreled away in one of the closets, left over from one of the aborted renovations of the town hall. It's not hard to find loose bricks, either. Before long, the hole in the wall is repaired. No one else is getting out that way. You don't think anyone could survive the fall, now that the rope is gone, but it doesn't hurt to be safe.
You return to the town hall. You're still disgusted he got away, disgusted he was telling the truth, and disgusted at yourselves for being wrong about him. And when you're in a bad mood, somebody usually ends up paying for it before too long.
You glance out the window. The sun is beginning its descent. You're running out of time.
Deadline is set for Wednesday, January 11th, at 11:30 P.M. EST.
***
Living 18/23:
1. Fadeblue
2. JCSuperstar
3. RafaelK
4. Ljustus
5. Cropcircles
6. Carrion Pigeons
7. Aurorasparrow
8. Highroller
9. Axelrod
10. Draygn Mage
11. WellofLost Gnomes
12. Crippled_Fist
13. Armlx
14. Sorryguy
15. Matjoeman
16. Chamber
17. Fayul
18. Rhinocero (replacing Einsteinmonkey)
Dead:
1. DYH-Townie Lunatic/Roleblocker/Investigator. Slashed to ribbons on Day One.
2. Kenji-Townie Paranoid. Died of a sudden heart attack day one. (Modkill)
3. Puzzle- Neutral Pacifist. Lynched by the town day one.
4. Bateleur-Townie, the Doctor's Daugher. Throat slashed night two.
5. Hawkeye7-Townie Bodyguard. Sliced and diced by ninja stars day 2.
MIA:
1. Dwight McCarthy-Townie Mod Persona. Chased out of town, shot, and possibly killed, day 2.
Official Vote Count:
3 Armlx-Rafaelk, Crippled_Fist, JCSuperstar
1 Rhinocero-Rhinocero
14 Not Voting: Aurorasparrow, Fayul, Fadeblue, SorryGuy, Matjoeman, Highroller, Armlx, Carrion Pigeons, Draygn_Mage, Axelrod, Cropcircles, WoLG, LJustus, Chamber
10 to lynch.
While the rest of the crowd heads back to the debate, you notice a ravishing woman in a red dress, her elbows resting on the window sill, facing the alley where Dwight escaped. Someone who kept to herself most of the time, never taking part, rarely showing herself at all. She's facing the window, a callous look in her crazy-calm eyes. You step closer, by her side, her cigarette smoke mixing with your breath.
It's Dwight. He's back at the mouth of the alley, edging away from something. He looks like he's seen a ghost. He's arguing with someone. There's a brief glimpse of something green, moving fast. Then, Dwight is jerked back into the alley. You never see him after that.
Matjoeman, can you give us any reason why we shouldn't lynch you right now?
I do want a very good explanation, though. And reiterate my plea to not vig anybody.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
Town/Mafia/Other - 14/6/3
Win/Lose/Tie - 11/12/0
Nk/lynched/Survived - 16/4/3
aurorasparrow, your ability to think that everyone in the entire game is town inspite of overwhelming evidence against is becoming infuriating.
What is a miller?
The only thing I can think of to explain this is that Matjoeman pulled a bluff, claiming inspector and attempting to get Azrael lynched given that I don't think anyone actually thought that Azrael would be town. But there are some holes in that theory I can't explain. Anyway, it's time for Matjoeman to fess up to what the hell's going on.
Nice reading skills.
Town/Mafia/Other - 14/6/3
Win/Lose/Tie - 11/12/0
Nk/lynched/Survived - 16/4/3
I don't think this is really likely, but I don't believe any of their claims. As far as Matjoeman, I believe that he lied because he thought Az would come up Neutral (like an SK would) and be seen by us as scum. Then, he would 'investigate' players with little result.
So, is he mafia or SK. I guess we have to look at the daykill attempt on his life and try to figure that out from context. I believe that he is mafia and we have at least one day-killing SK. If he claimed cop as a SK, he would be the first target for the mafia.
I don't think there's anything that will change my vote, but we will see. This game has already been full of twists. I assume the future holds the same.
HR: While I agree with you about AS in general, this time I'm going to have to side with him. It would be such enormously bad play for MJM to claim cop without any basis that I can't see him doing it. It's very possible that Az was a miller, after all, though the fact that his death didn't end the day makes you wonder what the point of it was.
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That's exactly why I stated there were holes in my theory. I'm running through explanations in my head, but nothing can fully explain what is going on. I must say that I am floored as to Azrael's ability to create this game. Never has anything been so confusing.
I guess the only thing we can do is wait until Matjoeman's testimony before continuing on. Hopefully we might be able to catch a mafia yet.
when I see someone I think is mafia, I'll tell you.
4th place at CCC&G Pro Tour
Chances of bad hands (<2 or >4 land):
21: 28.9%
22: 27.5%
23: 26.3%
24: 25.5%
25: 25.1%
26: 25.3%
On a more serious note:
The disappearance of Dwight and the necessity for another lynch is quite frustrating. On first glance Matjoeman would appear to be the logical suspect here. However, from what I can tell of the flavor of Dwight he would be a miller, as many have said, so MJM probably is a cop as he says, and I would not dwell on him.
Other leads to pursue - (Sorryguychamber) and Armlx appear to be the main leads. in terms of (SGC) I tend to think them if not townies at least not dangerous to us at the moment. In other words, I tend to believe them inasmuch as they are not Mafia at the moment. In terms of their mechanism for turning, the one they suggest seems logical. For game balance, the mechanism must cause at least one of them to die (turning two townies into scum at once seems unbalanced), and making that assumption, lynching is the logical kill method for two reasons - one, turning via nightkill would make them immediate scum targets as soon as they claim, and two, from a flavor perspective it seems unlikely that a brother would join the mafia in order to get revenge for his brother's death to the mafia. Thus, I don't think lynching them or even really vigging them is in order - in other words, I believer them.
As regards Armlx, he is my top-priority choice at the moment. The fact that he seems to have faked his investigation result in order to cast HE, a now-confirmed townie, as an SK in a manner that seems inconsistent with his role really makes me suspect him. Furthermore, as he seems to have messed up with Axelrod's investigation, well... VOTE: Armlx.
One question - why did MJM investigate Azrael (the mod) night one? If that's what he did, of course, I'm probably mis-interperting the actions here.
Again, we don't know Kevin's the daykiller. The first day the daykiller killed in a manner resembling Kevin's method of killing. The second day involved ninja stars, which Kevin never used. Make of this what you will, as with most things in this game I'm at a loss for information.
Yeah, well, I guess my misgivings had reason.
I have no idea where to go from here. Matjoeman should never make that play as scum. Ever. And I don't think we would. I think Az is a miller but I do not know.
The whole armlx thing I am not really fitting. I mean, the things he found in the room could be there I guess. And that is pretty much...the whole case, isn't it?
Right now, you will never guess, I am getting bad vibes from Highroller. Him "having a different type of play because he plays on 'News" is not going to hold up the same day. I do not care how he plays there, all I know is that his actions have been rather scummy in my eyes.
Now him being MIA is good I guess. Maybe if we somehow make a mafia go MIA, Dwight will appear and take him out.
Frankly I have no idea who to lynch. The case against Armlx is really stretched flavorwise.
I investigated them both night 2.
Or we could go on the fact that Dwight was a miller and not lynch me.
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || sk: LookingforReality (Copycat) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || survivor: matjoeman (Anarchist) |||
<XylBot> ||| MAFIABOT || town: kops (Anarchist) |||
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Thought I said in my original post. The flavour is that we both work for the town postal service. He hasn't given me a role name to my knowledge. My role name is from the "green" comic and has nothing whatsoever to do with being a postman as far as I know, so I'm quite comfortable with people having abilities disconnected from their rolenames.
So...is it possible that it is the SK who is killing at night, and the mafia kills during the day? Or maybe it's one big super-powered scum group? I guess we'll have to wait for a few more deaths to figure it out.
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Of course, it's true that in this game, there was someone who could prevent a daykill in Hawkeye, obv, but that merely serves to show how powerful the ability is in general.
Anyway, do we have a lynch target at the moment? People were going after armlx earlier, but I'm not sure why (or if) that petered out. And I'm too tired to go back and read. It is 4:30 in the morning, after all. Puzzle lives six or so time zomes ahead of me - what do you think?
Never mind. This is the game where Puzzle was the wierd neutral thing.
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1. I did not screw up Axelrods investigation. It was him that misinterpreted my posts to think it was the wrong night (the no kill one rather then last night). So me putting up honest results will get me lynched....
2. Role flavor is that we are postmen who drop off letters (PM's). When we drop them off we sneak a peak for any "official" (mod) letters.
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