passdog, in both his first votes, went for the low-hanging friut (oasis and serge, easily the 2 most suspicious people).
Wait, so you're saying that voting for suspicous people is suspicous? That would kinda put everyone undersuspicion, as we're trying to vote for scum.
Believe me, if I was scum, I could easily get one of them lynched (assuming they are town, I assume at least one is). But take a look at just how he votes:
- first he state some very obvious and not too insightful reasons why the person is suspicious and why the low hanging fruit needs to be picked
- then someone else places a vote or two
- then passdog places a vote as well
Note that no new information is added between the time he makes the initial attack and the time he votes. Which goes to show that he votes for political reasons.
As bertrand said, waiting to affirm your suspicion is absolutely fine. You're grasping at threads.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I do not hop on and off bandwagons like someone who doesnt-care-who-gets-lynched-as-long-as-its-not-one-of-mine. I stated my reasons why my target is scummy. I will not go for the low-hanging fruit in the shape of bad-players-who-none-the-less-might-still-be-town.
I have stated my case.
Um, what?
English please next time
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I'm going to upgrade to a Vote: Puchik, as he is acting like I did.
Aha, but I read through the Newbie #4 thread and learned from their mistakes, so don't you think that if I was a mafia I would have improved on your play?!
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Aha, but I read through the Newbie #4 thread and learned from their mistakes, so don't you think that if I was a mafia I would have improved on your play?!
Um, what?
I'm so confused now...
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Aha, but I read through the Newbie #4 thread and learned from their mistakes, so don't you think that if I was a mafia I would have improved on your play?!
Wait... so you're just being stupid by reenacting a mafioso's play? The fact that you didn't improve upon what I did doesn't do anything for you in my eyes.
No, I am not reenacting a mafioso play, I am town. If I was a mafioso, I would behave in a more subtle way. I would not say "this is our scum, let's lynch him". I would say "this may be our scum", wait for someone to join me, then vote. Like.... like passdog!!
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No, I am not reenacting a mafioso play, I am town. If I was a mafioso, I would behave in a more subtle way. I would not say "this is our scum, let's lynch him". I would say "this may be our scum", wait for someone to join me, then vote. Like.... like passdog!!
But if you read through my mafia and then used that to base your actions off of then you wouldn't have acted like me in the first place, as I was scum.
passdog, in both his first votes, went for the low-hanging friut (oasis and serge, easily the 2 most suspicious people).
Believe me, if I was scum, I could easily get one of them lynched (assuming they are town, I assume at least one is). But take a look at just how he votes:
- first he state some very obvious and not too insightful reasons why the person is suspicious and why the low hanging fruit needs to be picked
- then someone else places a vote or two
- then passdog places a vote as well
Note that no new information is added between the time he makes the initial attack and the time he votes. Which goes to show that he votes for political reasons.
First just a small thing I've noticed - Puchik is making general and blaise statements but not backing them up with any evidence. Please feel free to quote my posts that aren't too insightful.
Second with reference to your 'no new info' statement you are right. I did vote after no new info presented itself - in an attempt to garner further information. To force them to give up the info or at least provide an adequate defense.
Further I don't recall saying why a person needed to be lynched (picked - in your metaphor) in either of the posts you refer to (you know where you are trying to turn my FoSes into scum acts). Again feel free to quote me.
Wait, so you're saying that voting for suspicous people is suspicous?
What I am saying, and listen to me carefully when I say that: POLITICAL VOTING. The fact that absolutely no new information is added from the time he upgrades the accusation into a vote, should teach us something.
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What I am saying, and listen to me carefully when I say that: POLITICAL VOTING. The fact that absolutely no new information is added from the time he upgrades the accusation into a vote, should teach us something.
Um.... as bertrand stated, I already said that is normal. Stop using that to try and convince me. You better have something else against him if you're voting for him, explain that to me.
Um.... as bertrand stated, I already said that is normal. Stop using that to try and convince me.
Who says I'm trying to convince you? There are other players in this game, ya know.
Pssst, other people: despite of what TWS says, political voting is a mafia trait. While everyone do it once in a while, mafia do it waaay more often. And passdog did it twice over the span of a short day.
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So I've just done a bit of a reread and would like to point this quote out.
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I've just tried to do a vote count but it appears no one is voting. I didn't realise that everyone had unvoted. I know I've been advocating caution but it is possible to be too cautious. In that case I'm going to vote serge to put some pressure somewhere. Time to answer our questions.
No one else was voting at the time I placed this vote, so it wasn't the third cumulative vote. Further I gave full reasons for why my vote was going up. Further to that you at the time supported my sentiment (if not my vote).
You really seem desperate to find something scummy in what I've said and now you'll pretty well say anything to make me seem scummy. All your craplogic is doing is making you look more scummy.
It seems sort of silly to ridicule a company for marketing efforts. Of course they are going to hype upcoming products, every company on the face of the planet does it, and it works, thats why they do it. There isn't really any sense complaining about it. If you don't like the marketing, ignore it.
Who says I'm trying to convince you? There are other players in this game, ya know.
Pssst, other people: despite of what TWS says, political voting is a mafia trait. While everyone do it once in a while, mafia do it waaay more often. And passdog did it twice over the span of a short day.
You better be trying to convince me, I'm one of the now five people voting for you. Neither of Passdog's votes have resulted in a bandwagon, they were pressuring the noob/idiot for more info, which we got.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
What's there to defend, you're mafia because you politically-vote. Regarding your post #166, the third vote you placed was on Oasis, not serge.
Once I'm lynched and found out to be a townie, this is going to cost the mafia dearly. Passdog is obviously getting lynched next, then take a good look at his two most vocal supporters, bertrand and TWS.
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What's there to defend, you're mafia because you politically-vote. Regarding your post #166, the third vote you placed was on Oasis, not serge.
Once I'm lynched and found out to be a townie, this is going to cost the mafia dearly. Passdog is obviously getting lynched next, then take a good look at his two most vocal supporters, bertrand and TWS.
This seems like an angry Ill-Get-My-Revenge-and-Youll-Regret-This type of post.
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I most certainly will. And you most certainly will.
A town will be doing fine to trade for mafia on a 1-for-1 basis. In my case, it seems to be closer to a 1-for-3.
I find it very interesting however that NONE of passdog supporters even bothered to raise the option of "passdog is not suspicious, but Puchik2 is just a misguided townie". They do not simply find passdog not suspicious, they want me lynched.
Surely, if they were just townies defending another (potential) townie from attack, they would have at least considered the option that the attacker is also a townie?
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Sorry CP - I've been going back and forth between all the current posts and all the older ones so much I'm loosing track of what's going on.
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What's there to defend, you're mafia because you politically-vote. Regarding your post #166, the third vote you placed was on Oasis, not serge.
Once I'm lynched and found out to be a townie, this is going to cost the mafia dearly. Passdog is obviously getting lynched next, then take a good look at his two most vocal supporters, bertrand and TWS.
You need to defend because people don't beleive your case against me is strong enough and it is making you look scummy.
And with regard to your reference to the third vote I put on Oasis, here is my reasoning.
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Serge is going to have explain those comments regardless of whether there are votes on him. Oasis on the other hand should be pressured further - his unprovoked vote on me was the first tell we've had that can't also be attributed to Newbyness.
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Recall that Oasis was online at the time (I think) and serge was not thus it was more usefull to pressure him at that time.
I most certainly will. And you most certainly will.
A town will be doing fine to trade for mafia on a 1-for-1 basis. In my case, it seems to be closer to a 1-for-3.
I find it very interesting however that NONE of passdog supporters even bothered to raise the option of "passdog is not suspicious, but Puchik2 is just a misguided townie". They do not simply find passdog not suspicious, they want me lynched.
Surely, if they were just townies defending another (potential) townie from attack, they would have at least considered the option that the attacker is also a townie?
Oh yes, I considered you weren't a townie... but we provided a suitable defense for passdog, and you're still attacking him. That is scummy. So are you admitting you're wrong about Passdog, or is that just a hypothetical situation?
Why can't his vote be attributed to newbieness? Other people said just that - a newbie vote. You, on the other hand, placed some suscpicion on him, withdrew, made sure the suspicion sticks, then came back and voted.
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Why can't his vote be attributed to newbieness? Other people said just that - a newbie vote. You, on the other hand, placed some suscpicion on him, withdrew, made sure the suspicion sticks, then came back and voted.
How did he do that? Yes, he voted for the person who voted for him without any justification, as that was scummy. He unvoted, didn't he? And there is certainly no suspicion that stuck with Oasis because of Passdog. Just simply the fact that he did something that silly is supicous, but not much so.
Now you're confusing me, bertrand.
First you say he's not suspicious, because the way he votes is done all the time, and even, with much bravado,"watch me as I do it". Now you're saying he's suspicious after all? Do tell.
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Now you're confusing me, bertrand.
First you say he's not suspicious, because the way he votes is done all the time, and even, with much bravado,"watch me as I do it". Now you're saying he's suspicious after all? Do tell.
I'm not saying he is or isn't suspicious - I have no opinion on whether Passdog is scum or not. I have no idea. He hasn't done anything scummy yet as far as I know.
So, at your request, I'll say it - Passgod isn't suspicious.
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I most certainly will. And you most certainly will.
A town will be doing fine to trade for mafia on a 1-for-1 basis. In my case, it seems to be closer to a 1-for-3.
I find it very interesting however that NONE of passdog supporters even bothered to raise the option of "passdog is not suspicious, but Puchik2 is just a misguided townie". They do not simply find passdog not suspicious, they want me lynched.
Surely, if they were just townies defending another (potential) townie from attack, they would have at least considered the option that the attacker is also a townie?
First both TWS and bertrand have expressed they are suspicious of me... just less thatn they are of you (as indicated by there votes).
Second you could be just a misguided townie. Have you considered that I might be though? No. You have your opinion, you feel as though you have reasoned it out, and you are sticking with it. The mistake you are making is that you aren't trying to prove that you are townie, only that I am mafia. Your blatant ignorance of requests for an adequate defense only make you seem more scummy.
Finally you being an incompetant newb hasn't crossed my mind for one reason - you are actually quite good at this. You looked into the game and picked out things that might be tells. You've argued your case with relative eloquence. The only mistake you have made if you are town is that you have stuck to your guns despite better arguments having been put to you.
i think that the "third vote is scummy" is craplogic, its one of the biggest examples of WIFOM ive seen in a while
"third vote is scummy, except its not because scum know that its scummy, except scum know that we think it'll be innocent...and so on"
@serge: (post 138), why was passdog speedlynching? i dont see how putting the 2nd vote on someone is speedlynching
@puchik: whats this stuff about politically voting?
Aha. passdog and his supporters realized something must be up. Is it because they realized that they might win the battle but lose the war? So now they are giving me an honorable way to retreat by stating I changed my mind. Whatever.
@beaker: the third vote thing was told to me by someone who has more mafia experience than all of us put together (in that game we played, he was actually my mafia partner and told me to never place the third vote)
Lo and behold, the link that our mod posted AFTER I made the argument also confirms the third vote as being scummy. WIFOM or not, I maintain the third vote has a high chance of being mafia. I did not make the argument AFTER I saw the link, I made it before, and the link happens to support it. Coincidence?
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Aha. passdog and his supporters realized something must be up. Is it because they realized that they might win the battle but lose the war? So now they are giving me an honorable way to retreat by stating I changed my mind. Whatever.
Way out? Retreat all you wan't. I don't care about your vote on me. What I need from you, to remove my vote (and I'm sure others feel the same) is for you to defend yourself. Attack me all you want. Make your argument stronger. But that doesn't change the fact that you look scummy. The votes might go away if if you tried to help yourself.
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@beaker: the third vote thing was told to me by someone who has more mafia experience than all of us put together (in that game we played, he was actually my mafia partner and told me to never place the third vote)
Lo and behold, the link that our mod posted AFTER I made the argument also confirms the third vote as being scummy. WIFOM or not, I maintain the third vote has a high chance of being mafia. I did not make the argument AFTER I saw the link, I made it before, and the link happens to support it. Coincidence?
You might be right. Third vote might indicate who could be mafia. I haven't said that this is untrue. I have pointed out however the reasons why it might not be scummy (the mafia having the same ability to read as the rest of us). Try and provide some other evidence to back your claim up.
puchik, your post just proves that "third vote=scum" is WIFOM
the WIFOM argument goes like this
"cause scum know that the 3rd vote is scummy, and so they wont do it
but then we know that they wont do it, because they know its scummy
but then we know that the 3rd vote is ok
then they'll make the 3rd vote
then the 3rd vote'll be scummy" and so on
I feel like a puppet-master. I say "passdog is scum" and immediately TWS and bertrand appear and proclaim "no, you are scum". I say "too bad you're not even consider the possibility I'm a townie", and all three go, "ooh, he might be a townie".
@Beaker: I will say that again. The third vote tell works. This is an empiric fact. Regardless of cyclic logic, the person who places the 3rd vote has more chances than anyone else of being scum. This was empirically proven by people who have far more experience in the game than all of us put together.
@passdog: where did you get the notion I even want you to remove your vote from me? Remeber, townies can sell their life cheaply. If by doing so, I out a mafia or two, or, if I may be so bold, three, it's all good.
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Wait, so you're saying that voting for suspicous people is suspicous? That would kinda put everyone undersuspicion, as we're trying to vote for scum.
As bertrand said, waiting to affirm your suspicion is absolutely fine. You're grasping at threads.
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Um, what?
English please next time
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Aha, but I read through the Newbie #4 thread and learned from their mistakes, so don't you think that if I was a mafia I would have improved on your play?!
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Um, what?
I'm so confused now...
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Wait... so you're just being stupid by reenacting a mafioso's play? The fact that you didn't improve upon what I did doesn't do anything for you in my eyes.
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But if you read through my mafia and then used that to base your actions off of then you wouldn't have acted like me in the first place, as I was scum.
First just a small thing I've noticed - Puchik is making general and blaise statements but not backing them up with any evidence. Please feel free to quote my posts that aren't too insightful.
Second with reference to your 'no new info' statement you are right. I did vote after no new info presented itself - in an attempt to garner further information. To force them to give up the info or at least provide an adequate defense.
Further I don't recall saying why a person needed to be lynched (picked - in your metaphor) in either of the posts you refer to (you know where you are trying to turn my FoSes into scum acts). Again feel free to quote me.
What I am saying, and listen to me carefully when I say that: POLITICAL VOTING. The fact that absolutely no new information is added from the time he upgrades the accusation into a vote, should teach us something.
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Um.... as bertrand stated, I already said that is normal. Stop using that to try and convince me. You better have something else against him if you're voting for him, explain that to me.
But I'll admit at this point I think he's right.
Look. I did it a couple posts up and no one suspects me for it.
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I can't be scum every time, I'm afraid.
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Who says I'm trying to convince you? There are other players in this game, ya know.
Pssst, other people: despite of what TWS says, political voting is a mafia trait. While everyone do it once in a while, mafia do it waaay more often. And passdog did it twice over the span of a short day.
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No one else was voting at the time I placed this vote, so it wasn't the third cumulative vote. Further I gave full reasons for why my vote was going up. Further to that you at the time supported my sentiment (if not my vote).
You really seem desperate to find something scummy in what I've said and now you'll pretty well say anything to make me seem scummy. All your craplogic is doing is making you look more scummy.
So I'm now tainted for all the rest of mafia games?
You know what. Backing up flimsy logic with the same flimsy logic is pretty scummy. You grasping at straws here. Vote: Puchik2
And he still spelled bandwagon wrong on the very first page.
You better be trying to convince me, I'm one of the now five people voting for you. Neither of Passdog's votes have resulted in a bandwagon, they were pressuring the noob/idiot for more info, which we got.
I was joking - I just have a small note to be - not suspicious - but careful.
Not you, but everyone. You just really had me going there.
Flawless logic
@Puchik - You have some convincing to do with me too..
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A poor defense will return the vote. As will not responding (we know you are online).
Actually its four I think, I just got it wrong.
Can we have a vote count please? (if it is currently at three I'll revote)
I might be missing an old vote though.
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Once I'm lynched and found out to be a townie, this is going to cost the mafia dearly. Passdog is obviously getting lynched next, then take a good look at his two most vocal supporters, bertrand and TWS.
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I love our mod.
He's at 3 votes by the way, there was a vote count on the top of page 11.
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Not annoyed, just pointing out the blatantly obvious way in which you associated yourself with passdog.
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This seems like an angry Ill-Get-My-Revenge-and-Youll-Regret-This type of post.
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A town will be doing fine to trade for mafia on a 1-for-1 basis. In my case, it seems to be closer to a 1-for-3.
I find it very interesting however that NONE of passdog supporters even bothered to raise the option of "passdog is not suspicious, but Puchik2 is just a misguided townie". They do not simply find passdog not suspicious, they want me lynched.
Surely, if they were just townies defending another (potential) townie from attack, they would have at least considered the option that the attacker is also a townie?
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vote Puchik2
You need to defend because people don't beleive your case against me is strong enough and it is making you look scummy.
And with regard to your reference to the third vote I put on Oasis, here is my reasoning.
Recall that Oasis was online at the time (I think) and serge was not thus it was more usefull to pressure him at that time.
Oh yes, I considered you weren't a townie... but we provided a suitable defense for passdog, and you're still attacking him. That is scummy. So are you admitting you're wrong about Passdog, or is that just a hypothetical situation?
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Please, you're splitting my sides. Too funny, just too funny.
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Overall lynched in my games: 8 allies, 15 enemies
You're looking more and more scummy by the minute, though that's just my instinct. Vote stands.
And now you're trying to get us under suspicoous. He's getting angry. And then denies it..
I'm not saying Passdog is or isn't suspicious, that's irrelevant, I'm saying you are.
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How did he do that? Yes, he voted for the person who voted for him without any justification, as that was scummy. He unvoted, didn't he? And there is certainly no suspicion that stuck with Oasis because of Passdog. Just simply the fact that he did something that silly is supicous, but not much so.
First you say he's not suspicious, because the way he votes is done all the time, and even, with much bravado,"watch me as I do it". Now you're saying he's suspicious after all? Do tell.
Won/Lost/Draw/Ongoing: 5/1/1/2
Town/Scum/Ongoing: 7/1/1
Survived/Lynched/Nightkilled/Ongoing: 4/2/2/1
Overall lynched in my games: 8 allies, 15 enemies
OK, so you STILL think Passdog is scum?
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I'm not saying he is or isn't suspicious - I have no opinion on whether Passdog is scum or not. I have no idea. He hasn't done anything scummy yet as far as I know.
So, at your request, I'll say it - Passgod isn't suspicious.
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First both TWS and bertrand have expressed they are suspicious of me... just less thatn they are of you (as indicated by there votes).
Second you could be just a misguided townie. Have you considered that I might be though? No. You have your opinion, you feel as though you have reasoned it out, and you are sticking with it. The mistake you are making is that you aren't trying to prove that you are townie, only that I am mafia. Your blatant ignorance of requests for an adequate defense only make you seem more scummy.
Finally you being an incompetant newb hasn't crossed my mind for one reason - you are actually quite good at this. You looked into the game and picked out things that might be tells. You've argued your case with relative eloquence. The only mistake you have made if you are town is that you have stuck to your guns despite better arguments having been put to you.
Oh and Bertrand I'm a the 'Dog not a god.
"third vote is scummy, except its not because scum know that its scummy, except scum know that we think it'll be innocent...and so on"
@serge: (post 138), why was passdog speedlynching? i dont see how putting the 2nd vote on someone is speedlynching
@puchik: whats this stuff about politically voting?
@beaker: the third vote thing was told to me by someone who has more mafia experience than all of us put together (in that game we played, he was actually my mafia partner and told me to never place the third vote)
Lo and behold, the link that our mod posted AFTER I made the argument also confirms the third vote as being scummy. WIFOM or not, I maintain the third vote has a high chance of being mafia. I did not make the argument AFTER I saw the link, I made it before, and the link happens to support it. Coincidence?
Won/Lost/Draw/Ongoing: 5/1/1/2
Town/Scum/Ongoing: 7/1/1
Survived/Lynched/Nightkilled/Ongoing: 4/2/2/1
Overall lynched in my games: 8 allies, 15 enemies
Way out? Retreat all you wan't. I don't care about your vote on me. What I need from you, to remove my vote (and I'm sure others feel the same) is for you to defend yourself. Attack me all you want. Make your argument stronger. But that doesn't change the fact that you look scummy. The votes might go away if if you tried to help yourself.
You might be right. Third vote might indicate who could be mafia. I haven't said that this is untrue. I have pointed out however the reasons why it might not be scummy (the mafia having the same ability to read as the rest of us). Try and provide some other evidence to back your claim up.
the WIFOM argument goes like this
"cause scum know that the 3rd vote is scummy, and so they wont do it
but then we know that they wont do it, because they know its scummy
but then we know that the 3rd vote is ok
then they'll make the 3rd vote
then the 3rd vote'll be scummy" and so on
@Beaker: I will say that again. The third vote tell works. This is an empiric fact. Regardless of cyclic logic, the person who places the 3rd vote has more chances than anyone else of being scum. This was empirically proven by people who have far more experience in the game than all of us put together.
@passdog: where did you get the notion I even want you to remove your vote from me? Remeber, townies can sell their life cheaply. If by doing so, I out a mafia or two, or, if I may be so bold, three, it's all good.
Won/Lost/Draw/Ongoing: 5/1/1/2
Town/Scum/Ongoing: 7/1/1
Survived/Lynched/Nightkilled/Ongoing: 4/2/2/1
Overall lynched in my games: 8 allies, 15 enemies
If you think I am attacking passdog ONLY because he was the 3rd vote, you must've been not paying attention throughout the last few pages.
Won/Lost/Draw/Ongoing: 5/1/1/2
Town/Scum/Ongoing: 7/1/1
Survived/Lynched/Nightkilled/Ongoing: 4/2/2/1
Overall lynched in my games: 8 allies, 15 enemies